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Posted: 11/23/2014 4:35:08 PM EDT

75 year old Messerschmitt BF109 E4 flys again

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:38:58 PM EDT

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Awesome!

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:41:30 PM EDT

[#2]

Cool.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:47:01 PM EDT

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Too cool, thanks for posting.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:48:37 PM EDT

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Nice piece of history. I would have landed on a real airfield instead of on a grass field with water puddles. I would hate to pop a tire and loop it into the ground.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:53:30 PM EDT

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I was a little

when he landed.

Love this kinda stuff.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:53:50 PM EDT

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Posted: 11/23/2014 4:55:55 PM EDT

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I was thinking what a pain in the ass it was going to be to clean it after splashing through the mud puddles.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:01:58 PM EDT

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Its beautiful

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:10:49 PM EDT

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Soundtrack needs more Wagner

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:13:33 PM EDT

[#10]

Sweet.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:15:15 PM EDT

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Emil! Emil! The E-4 was the bird that fought in the Battle of Britain.

Invade Canada. Capture that bird. We only have to worry about Target Target and FTC.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:16:44 PM EDT

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Fixed.

A grass strip is where most of these aircraft landed and departed from originally.

Good post OP.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:21:01 PM EDT

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Makes me think of the movie 1941. "Let me hear your guns".

Bad ass.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:24:26 PM EDT

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God that sounds sexy as fuck.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:26:48 PM EDT

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Great find OP. I found it was restored and sold . I also found where I will spend my lottery winnings Warbirds for sale

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:27:49 PM EDT

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Invade Canada. Capture that bird. We only have to worry about Target Target and FTC.

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But FTC can singlehandedly equip most of Alberta with a Garand.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:31:39 PM EDT

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Landing exactly as a WW2 warbird was meant to be landed. On a rough, dirty strip.

It just needs to do a strafing run on a village to be complete.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:34:50 PM EDT

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Did he spend the afternoon buzzing jewish nursing homes ?

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:38:52 PM EDT

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Chasing after the Collins Foundation doing ride arounds

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:42:51 PM EDT

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Beautiful. The Emil was always my favorite model of the 109.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:45:16 PM EDT

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Still a beautiful plane.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:46:53 PM EDT

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It's made to land on unprepared surfaces.
Look at the size of the tires and the struts.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:49:06 PM EDT

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Flight of the Valkyrie.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:51:58 PM EDT

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Great vid. Thanks for posting.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:53:23 PM EDT

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I'm glad they left the Swastika on for Authenticity/accuracy and did not cave in to the usual political correctness of leaving it off.

It was essential that the Germans be defeated in WWII for their crimes against humanity, but nevertheless they built some incredible machines that should be remembered exactly as they were, in my opinion.

CGI will never be able to capture the raw grace and beauty of any piston warbird in full flight the way film can.

Thanks for posting that!

Posted: 11/23/2014 6:04:51 PM EDT

[#26]

that is awesome. I love it when a piece of WW2 history is preserved.

Posted: 11/23/2014 6:07:31 PM EDT

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It's made to land on unprepared surfaces.
Look at the size of the tires and the struts.

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Nice piece of history. I would have landed on a real airfield instead of on a grass field with water puddles. I would hate to pop a tire and loop it into the ground.

It's made to land on unprepared surfaces.
Look at the size of the tires and the struts.

Plus, note the narrow track (distance between the wheels) of the landing gear. From what I've read, many German WWII airfields were large square, grassy plots. Planes could take off and land in just about any direction, depending on the direction of the wind. However, the narrow track also made the plane prone to ground looping when landing on prepared landing strips where a cross-wind was present.

James

Posted: 11/23/2014 6:12:07 PM EDT

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Very interesting. Thanks.

From what I have read, taking off and landing a Messerschmidt was the most dangerous part of flying one.

Posted: 11/23/2014 6:16:46 PM EDT

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Agree. High torque gave along with narrow landing gear made it swing to the right.

Posted: 11/23/2014 6:17:45 PM EDT

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Yup......you can tell the difference between a German BF109 and a postwar Spanish bird just by the soind of that Diamler Benz engine.......don't even have to see it....

Posted: 11/23/2014 6:30:23 PM EDT

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Sheer A-W-E-S-O-M-E-N-E-S-S!

Posted: 11/23/2014 6:41:38 PM EDT

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to hear that while walking tree lines in france would probably make you shit your pants if you thought you were spotted.

Posted: 11/23/2014 6:54:16 PM EDT

[#33]

All sorts of old German planes taking off!

Posted: 11/23/2014 7:53:33 PM EDT

[#34]

Very cool. Thanks.

Posted: 11/23/2014 8:19:43 PM EDT

[#35]

Beautiful plane. Trusting that landing gear would take some guts though!

Posted: 11/23/2014 8:21:39 PM EDT

[#36]

Very cool

Posted: 11/23/2014 8:50:02 PM EDT

[#37]

Love WWII fighters.

Posted: 11/23/2014 9:27:26 PM EDT

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The JG26 markings are a nice touch.

Posted: 11/23/2014 9:34:28 PM EDT

[#39]

That was pretty cool.

Posted: 11/23/2014 9:35:57 PM EDT

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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:43:18 PM EDT

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Sploosh

Posted: 11/23/2014 9:47:08 PM EDT

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I hate it when they cover the sound of the engine with that cheesy elevator music.

Posted: 11/23/2014 9:57:46 PM EDT

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That is fucking awesome.

Posted: 11/23/2014 10:09:32 PM EDT

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From what I have read, taking off and landing a Messerschmidt was the most dangerous part of flying one.

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Indeed. The gear was attached to the fuselage, not the wings, giving it quite the narrow track. This was done to increase production efficiencies.

The Emil is said to be the peak of the 109 variants though many Experten preferred the Friedrich citing the decrease in firepower wasn't really noticed if you knew your business. I think it is interesting that, after the Emil and Friedrich the airframe continued to be developed and used effectively though it was clearly past its prime.

The 109 is my favorite warbird. The epitome of period fighter design. Small, simple, nimble though still definitely boom and zoom plane. The mount of the Experten, and they loved it.

Posted: 11/23/2014 10:19:46 PM EDT

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IIRC Erich Hartman, highest scoring German ace, crashed 9 of them

Posted: 11/23/2014 10:37:16 PM EDT

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Why all the yellow?

Posted: 11/23/2014 10:53:29 PM EDT

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At the time when the E4 was operational, yellow was used as an identifying color as it could resemble the Spit or Hurricane depending on the angle.

Gimme a second and I'll get the pedigree on that one. Luftwaffe markings can be more confusing than German uniforms. They changed them every other day.

Ah, here we go. Was kind of wondering about that. This happens to be painted as Marseille's plane. I knew he used 'White 14' while with JG-27, but didn't know his ties to it went back further.

The circle with the x on the tail tells us it flew with III Gruppe (the circle X was replaced a short time later). German aircraft are generally ID'd by the color and number painted on them. In this case, 'white 14'. There is typically, to my knowledge, no formula for this. The chevrons and whatnot you see on some represent JG staff aircraft. In addition, a short time after this period you start seeing 'theater' bands on the tail. Gruppe/Squadron/JG markings are not uncommon but are by no means required. What I like the most about the Luftwaffe fighters, how non-descript they could be.

At this point in his career, Marseille was a trouble maker. He would crash/destroy as many planes as he would shoot down. Zero discipline, always making trouble. He was very close to being kicked out. Everyone admitted he was a great pilot but nobody wanted to put up with him. Shortly after this, Steinhoff (I think) kicked him out of his JG and sent him to Africa so he could stay out of trouble. THAT is when the legend began and he honed his art.

109 Pedigree

I know, I get carried away. Luftwaffe Jagdflieger is a passion.

Here is a link that explains a lot of the markings. Note that this list seems to be more late war, why it doesn't explains the circle X seen on the E4 above.

Luftwaffe Fighter Markings

Finally! To Answer your question. Neat article.

BoB Luftwaffe Markings