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Posted: 11/21/2014 9:36:31 PM EDT
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A blog says "supposedly" $1870. The actual distributor says $849. Hrmmm Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOL at all of you who got wet in your panties thinking the Evo 3 was going to sell for $800 The MSRP isn't $870...it's actually $1,870 "MSRP will be $1,870 and will be released as a pistol without the stock." http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/11/21/cz-scorpion-evo3-2015-import/ A blog says "supposedly" $1870. The actual distributor says $849. Hrmmm TFB is a joke now anyway. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 9:40:14 PM EDT
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TFB is a joke now anyway. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOL at all of you who got wet in your panties thinking the Evo 3 was going to sell for $800 The MSRP isn't $870...it's actually $1,870 "MSRP will be $1,870 and will be released as a pistol without the stock." http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/11/21/cz-scorpion-evo3-2015-import/ A blog says "supposedly" $1870. The actual distributor says $849. Hrmmm TFB is a joke now anyway. +1 The derp has been strong with them for awhile. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 10:02:59 PM EDT
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I've been through all that with the ATF since I have an 07 FFL with the originally intended purpose of refinishing. They had interesting things to say about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since ATF determined that finishing(colorizing or heat treating) a firearm requires a license, couldn't getting the parts recoated make the part become domestic?  I like the cut of your jib. Unfortunately, ATF probably won't. I've been through all that with the ATF since I have an 07 FFL with the originally intended purpose of refinishing. They had interesting things to say about it. Thought you might be able to weigh in on it a bit more. 
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Posted: 11/21/2014 10:06:36 PM EDT
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I would buy a BREN in 7.62x39 if stocks become available. That would make a cool SBR.
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Posted: 11/21/2014 10:21:20 PM EDT
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Thought you might be able to weigh in on it a bit more.
ATF has a tendency to back themselves into corners with all of their bullshit, so accidentally creating a 922r loophole via refinishing wouldn't surprise me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since ATF determined that finishing(colorizing or heat treating) a firearm requires a license, couldn't getting the parts recoated make the part become domestic? I like the cut of your jib. Unfortunately, ATF probably won't. I've been through all that with the ATF since I have an 07 FFL with the originally intended purpose of refinishing. They had interesting things to say about it. Thought you might be able to weigh in on it a bit more.
ATF has a tendency to back themselves into corners with all of their bullshit, so accidentally creating a 922r loophole via refinishing wouldn't surprise me. From what my IOI said, this is almost verbatim: "If someone brings you a gun and you cerakote it, that's gunsmithing, no 07 required, just an 01. If you take in a used gun on trade or buy it, and you refinish it without it leaving your bound book, that's manufacturing, 07 required. If another dealer sends you one they took in on trade, or just a store stock gun, and you refinish it, it's gunsmithing." Basically, he clarified that if I own a gun and do a manufacturing process on it, I've manufactured it. Here's where it get's a bit complicated on the subject of tooling mark examiners. When I Cerakote a gun part, I destroy visible tooling marks all the time. I'm not talking about covering them, I blast each part with Aluminum Oxide and tooling marks go away. On a very tiny level, I even reshape some parts. (example, Barrels fluted by wilson combat will slice you open, I can dull those edges with AO blasting) Then, since Cerakote, Case Hardening, Nitriding, etc etc etc, have properties other than asthetics, they can actually affect function and/or properties of the base material, you've done more than change aesthetics. Granted, I don't have any of this in writing, but according to what my IOI told me, if I was to buy Scorpions and microslick parts of it, I've manufactured that firearm and it has to go in my manufacturing log. I have no idea how that translate to 922 compliance etc, but I suspect the ATF would not want to give an opinion on it. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 10:36:38 PM EDT
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From what my IOI said, this is almost verbatim: "If someone brings you a gun and you cerakote it, that's gunsmithing, no 07 required, just an 01. If you take in a used gun on trade or buy it, and you refinish it without it leaving your bound book, that's manufacturing, 07 required. If another dealer sends you one they took in on trade, or just a store stock gun, and you refinish it, it's gunsmithing." Basically, he clarified that if I own a gun and do a manufacturing process on it, I've manufactured it. Here's where it get's a bit complicated on the subject of tooling mark examiners. When I Cerakote a gun part, I destroy visible tooling marks all the time. I'm not talking about covering them, I blast each part with Aluminum Oxide and tooling marks go away. On a very tiny level, I even reshape some parts. (example, Barrels fluted by wilson combat will slice you open, I can dull those edges with AO blasting) Then, since Cerakote, Case Hardening, Nitriding, etc etc etc, have properties other than asthetics, they can actually affect function and/or properties of the base material, you've done more than change aesthetics. Granted, I don't have any of this in writing, but according to what my IOI told me, if I was to buy Scorpions and microslick parts of it, I've manufactured that firearm and it has to go in my manufacturing log. I have no idea how that translate to 922 compliance etc, but I suspect the ATF would not want to give an opinion on it. Thanks for the info. That's about what I was thinking. You're destroying the tooling marks by refinishing it, and you're having to add it to your manufacturing log, there really isn't much apparently stopping you from stamping "US" on the side of it and making it a compliant part via refinishing it. 
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Posted: 11/21/2014 10:42:11 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info. That's about what I was thinking. You're destroying the tooling marks by refinishing it, and you're having to add it to your manufacturing log, there really isn't much apparently stopping you from stamping "US" on the side of it and making it a compliant part via refinishing it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From what my IOI said, this is almost verbatim: "If someone brings you a gun and you cerakote it, that's gunsmithing, no 07 required, just an 01. If you take in a used gun on trade or buy it, and you refinish it without it leaving your bound book, that's manufacturing, 07 required. If another dealer sends you one they took in on trade, or just a store stock gun, and you refinish it, it's gunsmithing." Basically, he clarified that if I own a gun and do a manufacturing process on it, I've manufactured it. Here's where it get's a bit complicated on the subject of tooling mark examiners. When I Cerakote a gun part, I destroy visible tooling marks all the time. I'm not talking about covering them, I blast each part with Aluminum Oxide and tooling marks go away. On a very tiny level, I even reshape some parts. (example, Barrels fluted by wilson combat will slice you open, I can dull those edges with AO blasting) Then, since Cerakote, Case Hardening, Nitriding, etc etc etc, have properties other than asthetics, they can actually affect function and/or properties of the base material, you've done more than change aesthetics. Granted, I don't have any of this in writing, but according to what my IOI told me, if I was to buy Scorpions and microslick parts of it, I've manufactured that firearm and it has to go in my manufacturing log. I have no idea how that translate to 922 compliance etc, but I suspect the ATF would not want to give an opinion on it. Thanks for the info. That's about what I was thinking. You're destroying the tooling marks by refinishing it, and you're having to add it to your manufacturing log, there really isn't much apparently stopping you from stamping "US" on the side of it and making it a compliant part via refinishing it. I don't know that it's kosher to do that. The ATF has something in common with every law enforcement agency I've ever dealt with. They don't want to give clear answers on legal/illegal. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 10:44:33 PM EDT
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I saw $2195 for the Bren and <$1000 for the Evo. Both will reportedly accept a Sig Brace. From FB: CZ ARE COMING !!!! THE CZ ARE COMING !!! Yes you read that right CZ is finally realeasing pistol variants of the 805-Bren and the Scorpion Evo3 for the civilian market. These beauties will be compatable with the SB-15 Sig brace. It is unknown if CZ will be releasing rifle variants of these long awaited firearms. The pistols should be released around the end of January 2015. We will be taking Pre-sales beginning today !!! Please contact the shop for more info. [email protected] (954) 545-1321 Ext 6. http://www.facebook.com/groups/184246458269973/ Nice. https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/10688481_900840796600606_3948187418647792483_o.png My god that is sexy What caliber ? |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 11:01:20 PM EDT
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I saw $2195 for the Bren and <$1000 for the Evo. Both will reportedly accept a Sig Brace. From FB: CZ ARE COMING !!!! THE CZ ARE COMING !!! Yes you read that right CZ is finally realeasing pistol variants of the 805-Bren and the Scorpion Evo3 for the civilian market. These beauties will be compatable with the SB-15 Sig brace. It is unknown if CZ will be releasing rifle variants of these long awaited firearms. The pistols should be released around the end of January 2015. We will be taking Pre-sales beginning today !!! Please contact the shop for more info. [email protected] (954) 545-1321 Ext 6. http://www.facebook.com/groups/184246458269973/ Nice. https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/10688481_900840796600606_3948187418647792483_o.png That looks like something a bunch of drunk HiPoint employees threw together. 
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Posted: 11/21/2014 11:22:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/22/2014 3:52:10 PM EDT
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Having owned a semi Uzi, the excitement of a nonFA Pistol caliber submachinegun wears off quickly when you realize it's not much better than a regular pistol, except bigger/heavier. They look great, but without the fun switch, they lose a lot of caché. IMHO. Too each his own....I prefer a "pistol" in a rifle caliber if I'm going to spend the money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This looks awesome but... It's CZ so it'll come in tiny numbers relative to demand... The small number will turn it into another KSG where for a couple of years a 1k gun will be 2k plus... Never understood why there aren't more pistol caliber carbines on the market that don't look like smashed assholes and cost over 2k. Outside of the Hipoint and the Keltecs, there really isn't much of anything other than leverguns and AR pistol caliber guns until you get to MP5 clone territory. Having owned a semi Uzi, the excitement of a nonFA Pistol caliber submachinegun wears off quickly when you realize it's not much better than a regular pistol, except bigger/heavier. They look great, but without the fun switch, they lose a lot of caché. IMHO. Too each his own....I prefer a "pistol" in a rifle caliber if I'm going to spend the money. I had chance to shoot semi-auto UZI and Scorpion side by side - UZI just sucks and i didnt even bother to shoot through the whole mag. EVO3 on the other hand with army of poppers and plates facing you means you will get broke on ammo. Its just so much fun. And first generation škorpion is fun too. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 4:22:46 PM EDT
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Bohem, What are the gun laws like in Czech Republic? Can you guys own the select fire version? Just curious. [/slight hijack] |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 4:46:46 PM EDT
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[slight hijack] Bohem, What are the gun laws like in Czech Republic? Can you guys own the select fire version? Just curious. [/slight hijack] +1 would like to know as well. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 10:39:37 AM EDT
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[slight hijack] Bohem, What are the gun laws like in Czech Republic? Can you guys own the select fire version? Just curious. [/slight hijack] Wikipedia summs it pretty well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_Czech_Republic In short: Registration, licencing, shall-issue ccw, no gaps in gun categorization (firearm is either long or short, no SBR nonsence), guns legal in schools. Interestingly, semi-auto Scorpion Evo 3 is "selfloading pistol" while semi auto UZI or Sa26 (7,62x25mm) are "selfloading rifle". Full-autos are "may-issue" for collecting purposes only, not unobtainable, but its quite hard to argument with police why you need a machinegun... When my friend got his Scorpion, he brought it to shooting range on one-point sling, loaded (and concealed in a plastic bag) through half of Prague using public transport without breaking single law. Its not bad, but could be better. (silencers, full-autos, etc..) |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 3:04:23 PM EDT
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A photographer buddy of mine lived in Prague for awhile. He loved it. But I'm married
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Posted: 11/23/2014 3:05:08 PM EDT
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Would love to own a Bren!
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Posted: 11/23/2014 4:30:27 PM EDT
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That is some really freaking cool news.
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Posted: 11/24/2014 8:00:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL at all of you who got wet in your panties thinking the Evo 3 was going to sell for $800 The MSRP isn't $870...it's actually $1,870 "MSRP will be $1,870 and will be released as a pistol without the stock." http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/11/21/cz-scorpion-evo3-2015-import/ |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 8:06:48 AM EDT
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Count me in!
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Posted: 11/24/2014 8:07:51 AM EDT
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I saw $2195 for the Bren and <$1000 for the Evo. Both will reportedly accept a Sig Brace. From FB: CZ ARE COMING !!!! THE CZ ARE COMING !!! Yes you read that right CZ is finally realeasing pistol variants of the 805-Bren and the Scorpion Evo3 for the civilian market. These beauties will be compatable with the SB-15 Sig brace. It is unknown if CZ will be releasing rifle variants of these long awaited firearms. The pistols should be released around the end of January 2015. We will be taking Pre-sales beginning today !!! Please contact the shop for more info. [email protected] (954) 545-1321 Ext 6. http://www.facebook.com/groups/184246458269973/ Nice. https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/10688481_900840796600606_3948187418647792483_o.png My god that is sexy What caliber ? .88 Magnum |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 11:26:33 AM EDT
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Found a review of one already:
With a SIG brace... yeah. I think I'd be down for one of those! |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 11:36:01 AM EDT
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Found a review of one already:  http://youtu.be/8XAYsYwZGxI
With a SIG brace... yeah. I think I'd be down for one of those! You and me both! |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 11:39:36 AM EDT
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Found a review of one already: http://youtu.be/8XAYsYwZGxI
With a SIG brace... yeah. I think I'd be down for one of those! You and me both! He shows it with the brace... and mentions the 30 rounders are under $20. I think this bad boy is primed to eat the MPX;s lunch. |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 11:44:35 AM EDT
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If true, great news the 30 rounders will be available. The factory stock is a must have though. I have no interest in the ugly ass Sig brace.
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Posted: 11/24/2014 11:48:30 AM EDT
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well, that made up my mind. $849 MSRP and $20 mags. even with adapter and sig brace it should be alot less than the MPX
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Posted: 11/24/2014 12:27:02 PM EDT
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ill hold off on sbr'ing my uzi...i may have to sell it to fund this
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Posted: 11/24/2014 12:29:13 PM EDT
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He shows it with the brace... and mentions the 30 rounders are under $20. I think this bad boy is primed to eat the MPX;s lunch. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Found a review of one already: http://youtu.be/8XAYsYwZGxI
With a SIG brace... yeah. I think I'd be down for one of those! You and me both! He shows it with the brace... and mentions the 30 rounders are under $20. I think this bad boy is primed to eat the MPX;s lunch. Yup. That's awesome news. So...where are people pre-ordering them right now? Or are they not really available yet? I'm all over the Sig brace. It may look a little funky, but as far as functionality goes, it's the tits!! |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 12:33:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/24/2014 12:38:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/24/2014 12:41:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are these guys called "firearm and toolmark examiners" who are pretty good at that. ATF employs a bunch of them.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: plus once these come out and people make aftermarket parts how can you tell if generic part A is American or imported. There are these guys called "firearm and toolmark examiners" who are pretty good at that. ATF employs a bunch of them. I think that if you actually get to the point that they're looking at your parts, they'll be able to bust you. I also think that if you actually get to the point that they're looking at your parts, you have bigger problems than 922(r).
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Posted: 11/24/2014 12:47:16 PM EDT
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plus once these come out and people make aftermarket parts how can you tell if generic part A is American or imported. There are these guys called "firearm and toolmark examiners" who are pretty good at that. ATF employs a bunch of them. I think that if you actually get to the point that they're looking at your parts, they'll be able to bust you. I also think that if you actually get to the point that they're looking at your parts, you have bigger problems than 922(r). I would say you have annoyed someone greatly if they are down to trying to get you with 922(r). Drew Peterson comes to mind with his SBR.
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Posted: 11/24/2014 12:56:36 PM EDT
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Found a review of one already: http://youtu.be/8XAYsYwZGxI With a SIG brace... yeah. I think I'd be down for one of those! That's an awesome review. |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 12:58:39 PM EDT
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Fucking shit!
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Posted: 11/24/2014 1:12:07 PM EDT
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Anyone have a link to where I can preorder one? I want one NAO.
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Posted: 11/24/2014 1:40:35 PM EDT
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Holy shit where can I sign up for a preorder? This gun has me more excited than just about any new firearm to the US market in a long time...
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Posted: 11/24/2014 1:46:07 PM EDT
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Found a review of one already: http://youtu.be/8XAYsYwZGxI With a SIG brace... yeah. I think I'd be down for one of those! That's an awesome review. I woke up without a hard on today. Then I grabbed by phone and saw this video. Achievement Unlocked! |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 1:47:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/24/2014 1:56:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He shows it with the brace... and mentions the 30 rounders are under $20. I think this bad boy is primed to eat the MPX;s lunch. Some retailers have Sig MPX mags listed for $55 on up. Still out of stock of course, but my local basement FFL was saying that's about right for what his distributor has told him on MPX mag pricing. He's got the MPX itself coming in at the low to mid teens range. Yeah, looks like I'm canceling my Sig order and putting in for the CZ. |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 2:56:24 PM EDT
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Found a review of one already: http://youtu.be/8XAYsYwZGxI
With a SIG brace... yeah. I think I'd be down for one of those! You and me both! He shows it with the brace... and mentions the 30 rounders are under $20. I think this bad boy is primed to eat the MPX;s lunch. Yup I wanted an MPX now I will seriously consider this CZ. |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 3:02:10 PM EDT
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I want to see the insides
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Posted: 11/24/2014 3:22:05 PM EDT
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Found a review of one already: http://youtu.be/8XAYsYwZGxI With a SIG brace... yeah. I think I'd be down for one of those! That's an awesome review. Is that Colion Noir? |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 3:23:36 PM EDT
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Found a review of one already: http://youtu.be/8XAYsYwZGxI With a SIG brace... yeah. I think I'd be down for one of those! That's an awesome review. Is that Colion Noir? Yes |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 3:49:38 PM EDT
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With a SIG brace... yeah. I think I'd be down for one of those! Under $1000, mags under $20, and there's an adapter for the Sig Brace?!? 
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Posted: 11/24/2014 3:55:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/24/2014 4:33:45 PM EDT
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If true, great news the 30 rounders will be available. The factory stock is a must have though. I have no interest in the ugly ass Sig brace. Sig brace isn't that bad, but for factory stock it's an SBR then. Big difference. |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 4:46:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Under $1000, mags under $20, and there's an adapter for the Sig Brace?!? http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/264/200/acb.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Found a review of one already: http://youtu.be/8XAYsYwZGxIWith a SIG brace... yeah. I think I'd be down for one of those! Under $1000, mags under $20, and there's an adapter for the Sig Brace?!? http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/264/200/acb.jpg |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 4:49:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe you should read the thread and see where distributors are listing the price at or below $1k and people have already ordered them at that price, before you get your panties all wet with excitement over your misplaced condescension. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: LOL at all of you who got wet in your panties thinking the Evo 3 was going to sell for $800 The MSRP isn't $870...it's actually $1,870 "MSRP will be $1,870 and will be released as a pistol without the stock." http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/11/21/cz-scorpion-evo3-2015-import/  And now official! http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-scorpion-evo-3-s1-pistol/ |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 4:51:41 PM EDT
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LOL at all of you who got wet in your panties thinking the Evo 3 was going to sell for $800 The MSRP isn't $870...it's actually $1,870 "MSRP will be $1,870 and will be released as a pistol without the stock." http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/11/21/cz-scorpion-evo3-2015-import/
And now official! http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-scorpion-evo-3-s1-pistol/ I don't know, is that site legit?
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Posted: 11/24/2014 5:00:43 PM EDT
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Ok I've seen onlythebestfirearms.com mentioned as taking pre-orders so I contacted them about it. They are charging $995 for the Scorpion and $2195 for the Bren and want a $500 deposit via check that they won't cash until it ships. They expect them to ship around the end of January. I will be going elsewhere for mine but I thought it was worth passing on.
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Posted: 11/24/2014 5:07:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryGreat thanks. That looks fucking sweet! MRSP of $850+ sig brace = pure win. I'm in! I have been looking for a 9mm carbine and I think this is it. |
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