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Posted: 11/5/2014 9:43:09 PM EDT
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Given that the Marines bought all the RAF GR.3/7/9 aircraft to provide spare parts for their AV-8Bs, I can imagine that parts may be a problem 11 years from now - especially if we keep the Optempo at its' current pace.
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Posted: 11/5/2014 9:52:00 PM EDT
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Given that the Marines bought all the RAF GR.3/7/9 aircraft to provide spare parts for their AV-8Bs, I can imagine that parts may be a problem 11 years from now - especially if we keep the Optempo at its' current pace. Parts have always been a problem... We only bought the GR 7/9 parts. The GR 3 was a completely different beast (think AV-8A). That's yours truly taking off in the second photo shown in the article. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 9:54:36 PM EDT
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A new SCB-125 and you don't lose the capability on ships.
(I know this is crazy talk, but the LHA/Ds are similar in size to the CdG) |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 9:55:34 PM EDT
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Given that the Marines bought all the RAF GR.3/7/9 aircraft to provide spare parts for their AV-8Bs, I can imagine that parts may be a problem 11 years from now - especially if we keep the Optempo at its' current pace. You can have all the spare parts in the world but it won't help if the airframe is cracking and fatigued. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 9:56:38 PM EDT
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Parts have always been a problem... We only bought the GR 7/9 parts. The GR 3 was a completely different beast (think AV-8A). That's yours truly taking off in the second photo shown in the article. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Given that the Marines bought all the RAF GR.3/7/9 aircraft to provide spare parts for their AV-8Bs, I can imagine that parts may be a problem 11 years from now - especially if we keep the Optempo at its' current pace. Parts have always been a problem... We only bought the GR 7/9 parts. The GR 3 was a completely different beast (think AV-8A). That's yours truly taking off in the second photo shown in the article. Cool! |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 9:58:16 PM EDT
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Parts have always been a problem... We only bought the GR 7/9 parts. The GR 3 was a completely different beast (think AV-8A). That's yours truly taking off in the second photo shown in the article. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Given that the Marines bought all the RAF GR.3/7/9 aircraft to provide spare parts for their AV-8Bs, I can imagine that parts may be a problem 11 years from now - especially if we keep the Optempo at its' current pace. Parts have always been a problem... We only bought the GR 7/9 parts. The GR 3 was a completely different beast (think AV-8A). That's yours truly taking off in the second photo shown in the article. Bad. Ass. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:01:25 PM EDT
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Every time I fulled up Harriers I was worried they would fall apart right there, same thing for some F-18s from my airstation's home squadron.
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:05:39 PM EDT
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I'm having a hard time thinking of anything the Harrier offers us that we need today.... It's a really cool jet, but given that we aren't hiding them in the German forests or landing them on surface streets in Europe like we planned to during the Cold War, all I see is a slow multi-role aircraft that is outclassed by pretty much every other combat aircraft in our inventory.
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:08:21 PM EDT
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But they look cool at airshows.
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm having a hard time thinking of anything the Harrier offers us that we need today.... It's a really cool jet, but given that we aren't hiding them in the German forests or landing them on surface streets in Europe like we planned to during the Cold War, all I see is a slow multi-role aircraft that is outclassed by pretty much every other combat aircraft in our inventory. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:09:55 PM EDT
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I'm having a hard time thinking of anything the Harrier offers us that we need today.... It's a really cool jet, but given that we aren't hiding them in the German forests or landing them on surface streets in Europe like we planned to during the Cold War, all I see is a slow multi-role aircraft that is outclassed by pretty much every other combat aircraft in our inventory. Yup. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:13:28 PM EDT
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What are the Marines going to fly off of their assault ships until their F35 is fielded in significant numbers?
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:14:59 PM EDT
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Parts have always been a problem... We only bought the GR 7/9 parts. The GR 3 was a completely different beast (think AV-8A). That's yours truly taking off in the second photo shown in the article. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Given that the Marines bought all the RAF GR.3/7/9 aircraft to provide spare parts for their AV-8Bs, I can imagine that parts may be a problem 11 years from now - especially if we keep the Optempo at its' current pace. Parts have always been a problem... We only bought the GR 7/9 parts. The GR 3 was a completely different beast (think AV-8A). That's yours truly taking off in the second photo shown in the article. Very cool! I have always loved the Harrier and it takes a badass to fly one. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:15:33 PM EDT
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Parts have always been a problem... We only bought the GR 7/9 parts. The GR 3 was a completely different beast (think AV-8A). That's yours truly taking off in the second photo shown in the article. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Given that the Marines bought all the RAF GR.3/7/9 aircraft to provide spare parts for their AV-8Bs, I can imagine that parts may be a problem 11 years from now - especially if we keep the Optempo at its' current pace. Parts have always been a problem... We only bought the GR 7/9 parts. The GR 3 was a completely different beast (think AV-8A). That's yours truly taking off in the second photo shown in the article. Truly jealous - 1/4 of a diopter beyond the limits of refractive error on ONE flight physical out of five, ughhh. My luck I would have been driving a 46  At least I could have made some grunts get out of my bus to give me a push start 
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:18:20 PM EDT
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I'm having a hard time thinking of anything the Harrier offers us that we need today.... It's a really cool jet, but given that we aren't hiding them in the German forests or landing them on surface streets in Europe like we planned to during the Cold War, all I see is a slow multi-role aircraft that is outclassed by pretty much every other combat aircraft in our inventory. But you have Marines flying them. 21 year USMC Air Wing vet. A-4's, F-4's, F-18's, AV-8's, F-5's.Sometimes it's not the platform but who is driving it. I have got some stories....
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:20:18 PM EDT
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Truly jealous - 1/4 of a diopter beyond the limits of refractive error on ONE flight physical out of five, ughhh. LOL...Wut?!?! |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:20:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can have all the spare parts in the world but it won't help if the airframe is cracking and fatigued. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Given that the Marines bought all the RAF GR.3/7/9 aircraft to provide spare parts for their AV-8Bs, I can imagine that parts may be a problem 11 years from now - especially if we keep the Optempo at its' current pace. You can have all the spare parts in the world but it won't help if the airframe is cracking and fatigued. Also doesn't fucking help that we blow our funds on bullshit spending for the FSA and pork barrel projects.
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:23:21 PM EDT
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You can have all the spare parts in the world but it won't help if the airframe is cracking and fatigued. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Given that the Marines bought all the RAF GR.3/7/9 aircraft to provide spare parts for their AV-8Bs, I can imagine that parts may be a problem 11 years from now - especially if we keep the Optempo at its' current pace. You can have all the spare parts in the world but it won't help if the airframe is cracking and fatigued. From what told by guys in the aviation hall way, unlike FA-18s the AV-8s won't actually have an air frame fatigue issue |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:25:21 PM EDT
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What are the Marines going to fly off of their assault ships until their F35 is fielded in significant numbers? Ospreys, Cobras, and other rotary winged things. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:27:13 PM EDT
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What are the Marines going to fly off of their assault ships until their F35 is fielded in significant numbers? Since they're not being retired until 2025, I would say Harriers. I'm sure there will be F-35s aplenty by then. But I wouldn't bet on it.
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:34:57 PM EDT
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What are the Marines going to fly off of their assault ships until their F35 is fielded in significant numbers? Quote HistoryQuoted:
What are the Marines going to fly off of their assault ships until their F35 is fielded in significant numbers? Harriers and helicopters. For a long time. Quoted:
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Given that the Marines bought all the RAF GR.3/7/9 aircraft to provide spare parts for their AV-8Bs, I can imagine that parts may be a problem 11 years from now - especially if we keep the Optempo at its' current pace. You can have all the spare parts in the world but it won't help if the airframe is cracking and fatigued. From what told by guys in the aviation hall way, unlike FA-18s the AV-8s won't actually have an air frame fatigue issue That's optimism, although the current airplanes are flying with fuselages that were new in the 90's. The fuselage received an extensive redesign for the radar, one that eliminated a lot of really crappy sheet metal details, scabbed on patches for modifications, and simpler structure compared to the earlier AV-8B's. The wings, empennage, landing gear were removed from existing airplanes and then installed on the new fuselages. I don't know if the nozzles were swapped. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:36:45 PM EDT
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Wasn't a good portion of the Harrier fleet destroyed at BAF?
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:41:00 PM EDT
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Wasn't a good portion of the Harrier fleet destroyed at BAF? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile No just six birds were lost two were damaged . Still a terrible thing that never should have happened and only did because of complacency and the fact that an officer cut the force that defended the base by over a third. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:41:01 PM EDT
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What are the Marines going to fly off of their assault ships until their F35 is fielded in significant numbers? They are not "our" ships,we just let the Navy taxi us around so we can kick some ass. But you call them boats just to piss off the Sailors. All in good fun.
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:43:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasn't a good portion of the Harrier fleet destroyed at BAF? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:46:23 PM EDT
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Why do marines need an aircraft carrier with strike aircraft? Couldn't they just leave it to the navy? I could see marines having a carrier for a lot of helicopters.
And with all of the delays for the F35, I think the harriers and F18's are going to have to last a lot longer. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:52:28 PM EDT
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Why do marines need an aircraft carrier with strike aircraft? Couldn't they just leave it to the navy? I could see marines having a carrier for a lot of helicopters. And with all of the delays for the F35, I think the harriers and F18's are going to have to last a lot longer. We don't always need a carrier to do what we need these ships to do, a full sized nuke carrier would be over kill. Carriers also don't carry around a reinforced battalion of Marine Infantry. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:55:05 PM EDT
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Parts have always been a problem... We only bought the GR 7/9 parts. The GR 3 was a completely different beast (think AV-8A). That's yours truly taking off in the second photo shown in the article. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Given that the Marines bought all the RAF GR.3/7/9 aircraft to provide spare parts for their AV-8Bs, I can imagine that parts may be a problem 11 years from now - especially if we keep the Optempo at its' current pace. Parts have always been a problem... We only bought the GR 7/9 parts. The GR 3 was a completely different beast (think AV-8A). That's yours truly taking off in the second photo shown in the article. Fuckin' ARFCOM is an amazing place. Semper Fi! |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:57:14 PM EDT
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The F/A-18 pilots in my squadron called them stinkbugs
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Posted: 11/5/2014 11:34:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm having a hard time thinking of anything the Harrier offers us that we need today.... It's a really cool jet, but given that we aren't hiding them in the German forests or landing them on surface streets in Europe like we planned to during the Cold War, all I see is a slow multi-role aircraft that is outclassed by pretty much every other combat aircraft in our inventory. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 11:51:40 PM EDT
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I'm having a hard time thinking of anything the Harrier offers us that we need today.... It's a really cool jet, but given that we aren't hiding them in the German forests or landing them on surface streets in Europe like we planned to during the Cold War, all I see is a slow multi-role aircraft that is outclassed by pretty much every other combat aircraft in our inventory. I think being able to launch and recover on Essex class (and similar sized) carriers is fairly significant. 
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Posted: 11/6/2014 12:04:28 AM EDT
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I'm having a hard time thinking of anything the Harrier offers us that we need today.... It's a really cool jet, but given that we aren't hiding them in the German forests or landing them on surface streets in Europe like we planned to during the Cold War, all I see is a slow multi-role aircraft that is outclassed by pretty much every other combat aircraft in our inventory. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm having a hard time thinking of anything the Harrier offers us that we need today.... It's a really cool jet, but given that we aren't hiding them in the German forests or landing them on surface streets in Europe like we planned to during the Cold War, all I see is a slow multi-role aircraft that is outclassed by pretty much every other combat aircraft in our inventory. What can it do? Fly off of not-CVNs. Is that essential to our national security? No, I don't think so. It's helpful though. Quoted:
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Wasn't a good portion of the Harrier fleet destroyed at BAF? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile No just six birds were lost two were damaged . Still a terrible thing that never should have happened and only did because of complacency and the fact that an officer cut the force that defended the base by over a third. It was near KAF (Camp Bastion), not BAF. Quoted:
Why do marines need an aircraft carrier with strike aircraft? Couldn't they just leave it to the navy? I could see marines having a carrier for a lot of helicopters. And with all of the delays for the F35, I think the harriers and F18's are going to have to last a lot longer. Because Marines. The Marine pilots are trained by Marines to speak to Marines and support Marines. Plus they work for Marine bosses. It's able to be worked around in theory, but I wouldn't give it up if I was the Marine Corps. |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 12:47:01 AM EDT
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Harrier AIM-120 capability? What a waste of money.
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Posted: 11/6/2014 12:55:37 AM EDT
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What can it do? Fly off of not-CVNs. Is that essential to our national security? No, I don't think so. It's helpful though. It was near KAF (Camp Bastion), not BAF. Because Marines. The Marine pilots are trained by Marines to speak to Marines and support Marines. Plus they work for Marine bosses. It's able to be worked around in theory, but I wouldn't give it up if I was the Marine Corps. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm having a hard time thinking of anything the Harrier offers us that we need today.... It's a really cool jet, but given that we aren't hiding them in the German forests or landing them on surface streets in Europe like we planned to during the Cold War, all I see is a slow multi-role aircraft that is outclassed by pretty much every other combat aircraft in our inventory. What can it do? Fly off of not-CVNs. Is that essential to our national security? No, I don't think so. It's helpful though. Quoted:
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Wasn't a good portion of the Harrier fleet destroyed at BAF? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile No just six birds were lost two were damaged . Still a terrible thing that never should have happened and only did because of complacency and the fact that an officer cut the force that defended the base by over a third. It was near KAF (Camp Bastion), not BAF. Quoted:
Why do marines need an aircraft carrier with strike aircraft? Couldn't they just leave it to the navy? I could see marines having a carrier for a lot of helicopters. And with all of the delays for the F35, I think the harriers and F18's are going to have to last a lot longer. Because Marines. The Marine pilots are trained by Marines to speak to Marines and support Marines. Plus they work for Marine bosses. It's able to be worked around in theory, but I wouldn't give it up if I was the Marine Corps. Re the red: That element, tactical air that's organic to your organization and whose pilots speak your language and know your training, seems to be the Army types' biggest envy of the Marines--that is, according to my non-scientific sampling of the military folk on ARFcom
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Posted: 11/6/2014 1:02:27 AM EDT
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F-35B should be ready pretty damn soon.
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Posted: 11/6/2014 1:02:48 AM EDT
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I wish Big Army was allowed to have our own CAS instead of having to beg the Air Force to put down their X-Boxes and golf clubs to come blow up shit for us we can't reach. Marines losing their own CAS, dependent more on the USN is bad practice. |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 1:13:00 AM EDT
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I wonder how long its going to take for those shiny new F-35s the USMC gets from the factory to go from ready to execute day 1 strikes to beat up pieces of shit with no LO attributes and six pylons, rotting away on the flightline.
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Posted: 11/6/2014 1:21:08 AM EDT
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LOL...Wut?!?! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Truly jealous - 1/4 of a diopter beyond the limits of refractive error on ONE flight physical out of five, ughhh. LOL...Wut?!?! The cycloplegic test kept me out of Pensacola and on to Marine Infantry and the lovely Camp Horno. |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 1:21:33 AM EDT
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I wonder how long its going to take for those shiny new F-35s the USMC gets from the factory to go from ready to execute day 1 strikes to beat up pieces of shit with no LO attributes and six pylons, rotting away on the flightline. Could they use six pylons? I was under the impression that they launched fairly close to their max weight with just fuel and internal weapons ... |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 1:33:15 AM EDT
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Could they use six pylons? I was under the impression that they launched fairly close to their max weight with just fuel and internal weapons ... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder how long its going to take for those shiny new F-35s the USMC gets from the factory to go from ready to execute day 1 strikes to beat up pieces of shit with no LO attributes and six pylons, rotting away on the flightline. Could they use six pylons? I was under the impression that they launched fairly close to their max weight with just fuel and internal weapons ... Of course it can. The USMC is going to have them conducting VTOL ops close to the FLOT with 1.5k internal fuel then go hit the osprey tanker. I'm only half joking. |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 1:41:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No just six birds were lost two were damaged . Still a terrible thing that never should have happened and only did because of complacency and the fact that an officer cut the force that defended the base by over a third. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wasn't a good portion of the Harrier fleet destroyed at BAF? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile No just six birds were lost two were damaged . Still a terrible thing that never should have happened and only did because of complacency and the fact that an officer cut the force that defended the base by over a third. |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 1:46:50 AM EDT
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That's yours truly taking off in the second photo shown in the article. You sir, have big water cooled brass balls. 
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Posted: 11/6/2014 1:51:00 AM EDT
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I wonder how long its going to take for those shiny new F-35s the USMC gets from the factory to go from ready to execute day 1 strikes to beat up pieces of shit with no LO attributes and six pylons, rotting away on the flightline. They won't.
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Posted: 11/6/2014 2:03:49 AM EDT
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They won't.
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I wonder how long its going to take for those shiny new F-35s the USMC gets from the factory to go from ready to execute day 1 strikes to beat up pieces of shit with no LO attributes and six pylons, rotting away on the flightline. They won't.
If we treat the F-35 the same way we treat our Hornets and Harriers w/ regards to upkeep and upgrades then you can bet it will. |
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