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Posted: 8/1/2016 11:21:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MaxTheRabbit:
can someone point me in the direction of what this new ITAR rule is? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MaxTheRabbit:
Originally Posted By ProfGAB101:
Originally Posted By backbencher:
Nolo, if you're looking for plaintiffs to challenge the new ITAR rule w/, let me know. Actually we need to send tons of letters to our Congress critters. ( See images of the pile of forms sent in on that $2 million in stamps day) They need to exercise there budgetary rule making powers to change ITAR such that the registration fee is totally waved for any entity which will not be involved in any export activities. Congressional rules simplified: They who hold the purse strings make the rules. 
Make it so. can someone point me in the direction of what this new ITAR rule is? NRA-ILA write up on Obama's Exec Order - RE: New ITAR enforcement. |
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Posted: 8/1/2016 11:36:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NY12ga:
Am I the only one who, in simplest terms, believes that the ONLY legitimate and Constitutionally lawful "national firearms act" is the 2nd Amendment itself? IMHO any and every piece of legislation passed since then is de facto UN-Constitutional as they all restrict and infringe upon the Right in all of its' pre-existing glory... Not at all. I'm pretty sure even the people who were drafting the NFA also knew they were doing something shady. It's really too bad there wasn't more outrage in 1934. It seems that people tend not to care when rights are taken away if they're not personally exercising them. I'm pretty sure a lot of government overreach schemes try to capitalize on that. |
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Posted: 8/1/2016 11:45:14 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By ProfGAB101:
Originally Posted By MaxTheRabbit:
Originally Posted By ProfGAB101:
Originally Posted By backbencher:
Nolo, if you're looking for plaintiffs to challenge the new ITAR rule w/, let me know. Actually we need to send tons of letters to our Congress critters. ( See images of the pile of forms sent in on that $2 million in stamps day) They need to exercise there budgetary rule making powers to change ITAR such that the registration fee is totally waved for any entity which will not be involved in any export activities. Congressional rules simplified: They who hold the purse strings make the rules.
Make it so. can someone point me in the direction of what this new ITAR rule is? NRA-ILA write up on Obama's Exec Order - RE: New ITAR enforcement. Wow, is that some bullshit! I've never understood why anyone but exporters would ever have to pay ITAR fees. Threading a muzzle? Give me a brake. [sic] ;) |
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Posted: 8/2/2016 8:43:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JustAnotherJerkoff:
It's really too bad there wasn't more outrage in 1934. It seems that people tend not to care when rights are taken away if they're not personally exercising them. In 1934 many people were distracted by such trivialities such as obtaining food, clothing and shelter. Those who were not distracted in that manner had been subjected to a barrage of propaganda through "gangster movies". Rahm Emanuel did not invent the idea of capitalizing on a crisis. |
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Posted: 8/2/2016 10:21:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By ProfGAB101:
Originally Posted By MaxTheRabbit:
Originally Posted By ProfGAB101:
Originally Posted By backbencher:
Nolo, if you're looking for plaintiffs to challenge the new ITAR rule w/, let me know. Actually we need to send tons of letters to our Congress critters. ( See images of the pile of forms sent in on that $2 million in stamps day) They need to exercise there budgetary rule making powers to change ITAR such that the registration fee is totally waved for any entity which will not be involved in any export activities. Congressional rules simplified: They who hold the purse strings make the rules.
Make it so. can someone point me in the direction of what this new ITAR rule is? NRA-ILA write up on Obama's Exec Order - RE: New ITAR enforcement. FBHO |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 8/2/2016 4:48:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By POLYTHENEPAM:
In 1934 many people were distracted by such trivialities such as obtaining food, clothing and shelter. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By POLYTHENEPAM:
Originally Posted By JustAnotherJerkoff:
It's really too bad there wasn't more outrage in 1934. It seems that people tend not to care when rights are taken away if they're not personally exercising them. In 1934 many people were distracted by such trivialities such as obtaining food, clothing and shelter. Good point. |
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Posted: 8/4/2016 9:20:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jmorg51]
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Post 2100 bumps this to the top again.
When the smallest kid in school is having his lunch money taken every day, he starves or stands up for himself. When the biggest kid in school rules because:BIG, well... So 2 kids stand up to him one day. And the lost a few fights. Then a few friends help. And they put the bully on his ass with a blood lip, nose, and a couple of kicks to the ribs. As long as they don't stop when he turns to a new group of kids to exploit. Because they figured out the school administration is just going to sit back and watch. He's a football star, some one's nephew... He serves a purpose for them, so let him have his fun. 2 little kids stood up and said the fun at our expense stops now. Thank you Hollis and Watson And the legal team standing with them. If we fight, you may get back what is being taken. If you hang your heads and accept, they will never be happy. They will always be back for more. |
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Posted: 8/4/2016 9:37:04 AM EDT
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I'm sure this has been asked before but I don't have time to rummage through this thread. How do we give money to support this work?
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Posted: 8/4/2016 9:40:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By writerdeluxe2006: I'm sure this has been asked before but I don't have time to rummage through this thread. How do we give money to support this work? |
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Posted: 8/8/2016 2:50:55 AM EDT
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BUMP
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Posted: 8/8/2016 9:09:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
Originally Posted By writerdeluxe2006:
I'm sure this has been asked before but I don't have time to rummage through this thread. How do we give money to support this work? I got an email that I won the matched ar15 upper and lower this month I didnt even know there was anything to win.
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Posted: 8/8/2016 9:35:53 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScorpioMk:
I got an email that I won the matched ar15 upper and lower this month I didnt even know there was anything to win.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d11/scorpiomk/Gun%20and%20gear/winner.png Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScorpioMk:
Originally Posted By jaqufrost:
Originally Posted By writerdeluxe2006:
I'm sure this has been asked before but I don't have time to rummage through this thread. How do we give money to support this work? I got an email that I won the matched ar15 upper and lower this month I didnt even know there was anything to win.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d11/scorpiomk/Gun%20and%20gear/winner.png Congrats on the win! 
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Posted: 8/8/2016 11:35:04 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bubbles:
Congrats on the win! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bubbles:
Originally Posted By ScorpioMk:
Originally Posted By jaqufrost:
Originally Posted By writerdeluxe2006:
I'm sure this has been asked before but I don't have time to rummage through this thread. How do we give money to support this work? I got an email that I won the matched ar15 upper and lower this month I didnt even know there was anything to win.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d11/scorpiomk/Gun%20and%20gear/winner.png Congrats on the win! Thanks, now should I get a drop in sear or link for it. 
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Posted: 8/9/2016 10:30:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScorpioMk:
Thanks, now should I get a drop in sear or link for it. http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d11/scorpiomk/Gun%20and%20gear/winner1.png Red tiger stripe... COD MW anyone?? |
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Posted: 8/9/2016 12:07:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScorpioMk:
I got an email that I won the matched ar15 upper and lower this month I didnt even know there was anything to win.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d11/scorpiomk/Gun%20and%20gear/winner.png Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScorpioMk:
Originally Posted By jaqufrost:
Originally Posted By writerdeluxe2006:
I'm sure this has been asked before but I don't have time to rummage through this thread. How do we give money to support this work? I got an email that I won the matched ar15 upper and lower this month I didnt even know there was anything to win.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d11/scorpiomk/Gun%20and%20gear/winner.png Awesome! |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 9:11:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MSUbulldog21:
Red tiger stripe... COD MW anyone?? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MSUbulldog21:
Originally Posted By ScorpioMk:
Thanks, now should I get a drop in sear or link for it. http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d11/scorpiomk/Gun%20and%20gear/winner1.png Red tiger stripe... COD MW anyone?? I was actually excited for him, till I saw the picture 
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Posted: 8/16/2016 10:11:16 PM EDT
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The 5th circuit said no today to rehearing en banc. Not even a dissent. Disappointing.
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Posted: 8/16/2016 10:13:40 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
The 5th circuit said no today to rehearing en banc. Not even a dissent. Disappointing. What does that mean for those of us that don't speak legal? |
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Posted: 8/16/2016 10:16:54 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By irishtech:
What does that mean for those of us that don't speak legal? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By irishtech:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
The 5th circuit said no today to rehearing en banc. Not even a dissent. Disappointing. What does that mean for those of us that don't speak legal? Ball game. |
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Posted: 8/16/2016 10:18:00 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheSpaniard:
Doesn't matter anymore. Heller put its own gloss on Miller, reasoning that historically, militia service involved bringing privately owned arms that were in common use, and SBSs and MGs are not in common use. Basically, Heller re-read Miller as an application of Heller's newly announced common use test. What you and I think Miller meant doesn't matter; Heller is the Supreme Court's definitive interpretation of Miller. Short barreled rifles ARE though. Yet the process for obtaining a SBR and a SBS are the same. |
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Posted: 8/16/2016 10:19:24 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
The 5th circuit said no today to rehearing en banc. Not even a dissent. Disappointing. 
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Posted: 8/16/2016 10:19:41 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By esa17:
Ball game. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By esa17:
Originally Posted By irishtech:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
The 5th circuit said no today to rehearing en banc. Not even a dissent. Disappointing. What does that mean for those of us that don't speak legal? Ball game. Pretty much. The Supreme Court since Justice Scalia passed (RIP) is not a good place right now for us. 
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Posted: 8/16/2016 10:20:50 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
The 5th circuit said no today to rehearing en banc. Not even a dissent. Disappointing. Notice of Docket Activity The following transaction was entered on 08/16/2016 at 8:23:56 AM CDT and filed on 08/16/2016 Case Name:Jay Isaac Hollis v. Loretta Lynch, et al Case Number: 15-10803 Document(s):Document(s) Docket Text: COURT ORDER denying petition for rehearing en banc filed by Appellant Mr. Jay Aubrey Isaac Hollis [8270920-2] Without Poll. Mandate pull date is 08/23/2016 [15-10803] (MCS) |
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Posted: 8/16/2016 10:21:13 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Pretty much. The Supreme Court since Justice Scalia passed (RIP) is not a good place right now for us. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By esa17:
Originally Posted By irishtech:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
The 5th circuit said no today to rehearing en banc. Not even a dissent. Disappointing. What does that mean for those of us that don't speak legal? Ball game. Pretty much. The Supreme Court since Justice Scalia passed (RIP) is not a good place right now for us. So we shot our wad? That's it? |
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Posted: 8/16/2016 10:26:42 PM EDT
[#25]
Disappointing
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Posted: 8/16/2016 10:27:03 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
Disappointing |
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Posted: 8/16/2016 10:29:04 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
Disappointing The peasants cannot be trusted with fully auto post may 1986 machineguns. Only pre. I'm going to buy a slidefire because America. |
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Posted: 8/16/2016 10:30:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: leib109]
[#28]
Not surprising.
Thanks for all your hard work Nolo. |
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Posted: 8/16/2016 10:31:03 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere: The peasants cannot be trusted with fully auto post may 1986 machineguns. Only pre. I'm going to buy a slidefire because America. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere: Originally Posted By jaqufrost: Disappointing The peasants cannot be trusted with fully auto post may 1986 machineguns. Only pre. I'm going to buy a slidefire because America.  |
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Posted: 8/16/2016 11:19:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/16/2016 11:31:53 PM EDT
[#31]
Well, go ahead and lock this thread.
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Posted: 8/16/2016 11:39:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere: The 5th circuit said no today to rehearing en banc. Not even a dissent. Disappointing. What the fuck. What the fuck is the point of the courts if they won't even let issues travel through them as intended. The legal process, not even the outcome, was the last piece of America I thought might still be intact. The only avenue through which we had recourse considering the soap box is suppressed and the ballot box corrupt. Well then. |
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Posted: 8/16/2016 11:39:08 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Notice of Docket Activity The following transaction was entered on 08/16/2016 at 8:23:56 AM CDT and filed on 08/16/2016 Case Name:Jay Isaac Hollis v. Loretta Lynch, et al Case Number: 15-10803 Document(s):Document(s) Docket Text: COURT ORDER denying petition for rehearing en banc filed by Appellant Mr. Jay Aubrey Isaac Hollis [8270920-2] Without Poll. Mandate pull date is 08/23/2016 [15-10803] (MCS) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
The 5th circuit said no today to rehearing en banc. Not even a dissent. Disappointing. Notice of Docket Activity The following transaction was entered on 08/16/2016 at 8:23:56 AM CDT and filed on 08/16/2016 Case Name:Jay Isaac Hollis v. Loretta Lynch, et al Case Number: 15-10803 Document(s):Document(s) Docket Text: COURT ORDER denying petition for rehearing en banc filed by Appellant Mr. Jay Aubrey Isaac Hollis [8270920-2] Without Poll. Mandate pull date is 08/23/2016 [15-10803] (MCS) I just meant it was BS. Thanks for fighting the good fight NOLO |
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Posted: 8/16/2016 11:48:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bye_Felicia]
[#34]
Is it possible to resurrect if the Supreme court gets better or is this 'it'?
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Posted: 8/17/2016 12:24:36 AM EDT
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Thanks to all involved for trying to fix this the 'right' way. The result isn't a huge surprise but it does make a statement.
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Posted: 8/17/2016 1:20:41 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
The peasants cannot be trusted with fully auto post may 1986 machineguns. Only pre. I'm going to buy a slidefire because America. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By jaqufrost:
Disappointing The peasants cannot be trusted with fully auto post may 1986 machineguns. Only pre. I'm going to buy a slidefire because America. Get a Fostech and build a #Bumpsaw - Clint |
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Posted: 8/17/2016 1:34:31 AM EDT
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They refused to hear it?
So what, they can deny any further appeal because they're lazy and corrupt? 
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Posted: 8/17/2016 1:57:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere: The peasants cannot be trusted with fully auto post may 1986 machineguns. Only pre. I'm going to buy a slidefire because America. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere: Originally Posted By jaqufrost: Disappointing The peasants cannot be trusted with fully auto post may 1986 machineguns. Only pre. I'm going to buy a slidefire because America. Thanks for the attempt and all work and hours you invested. Sad day. |
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Posted: 8/17/2016 2:49:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/17/2016 3:11:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/17/2016 5:27:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/17/2016 6:28:55 AM EDT
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Da fuq?
Is it time to sit at the front of the bus yet? |
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Posted: 8/17/2016 6:50:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Got_Nukes:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Got_Nukes:
Originally Posted By jaqufrost:
Disappointing |
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Posted: 8/17/2016 8:41:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HappyCamel:
What the fuck is the point of the courts if they won't even let issues travel through them as intended. The legal process, not even the outcome, was the last piece of America I thought might still be intact. Petitions for rehearing en banc are not common and are not often granted. Litigants who are dissatisfied with the result usually skip that procedure and appeal to the next level court. The fact that this petition was not granted is not an indication that the legal system is flawed. The same can not be said for the outcome of the case. Perhaps some people have learned a few things. |
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Posted: 8/17/2016 9:11:44 AM EDT
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fuck. thanks nolo.
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Posted: 8/17/2016 9:34:54 AM EDT
[#46]
What about the whole due process issue with the ATF just yanking approved forms?
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Posted: 8/17/2016 9:49:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/17/2016 10:05:05 AM EDT
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That sucks.
It's kind of frustrating that they can just deny it. I understand there is a limited amount of time/cases that can be reviewed, but essentially they could deny anything they don't want to make a ruling on. |
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Posted: 8/17/2016 10:11:03 AM EDT
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Lame
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Posted: 8/17/2016 10:13:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By irishtech:
What does that mean for those of us that don't speak legal? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By irishtech:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
The 5th circuit said no today to rehearing en banc. Not even a dissent. Disappointing. What does that mean for those of us that don't speak legal? That means "because we said so and you can't make us". Basically a HUGE raised middle finger. Say NO to lifetime appointments! |
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