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Posted: 10/31/2014 8:19:58 PM EDT
[#1]
Page 12 of epicness is mine!
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Posted: 10/31/2014 8:20:11 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sneaky_Payload:
They won't help with it because it will bottom out their market also... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sneaky_Payload:
Originally Posted By mancow:
Originally Posted By KeithC:
Originally Posted By usjet:
$50k isn't even going to cover printing, postage and coffee before this is over........ Then we will donate more. And I will get a second job. Now WHAT ABOUT THE FIREARMS CORPORATIONS? They should be pouring money at this. They won't help with it because it will bottom out their market also... I don't see how that could be. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 10/31/2014 8:42:15 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
Is that what you need: Case 3:14-cv-03872-M Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
Originally Posted By LuxorDeathbed:
I work in legal "areas" per say and occasionally have to breeze over court docs. Understanding how court works, this is going to be epic reading/following. I need to learn the case numbers and court online look up to follow them... Is that what you need: Case 3:14-cv-03872-M Had that much figured out when I read the entire thing at lunch. I was giggling like a school girl. I think I had other people wondering. What I need to find is the online website lookup to see progress, motions filed, etc. Maybe try tomorrow or pretty sure someone will post something. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 8:43:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LuckyDucky]
[#4]
Try this?
http://dockets.justia.com/docket/texas/txndce/3:2014cv03872/253172 supposedly the content is better on http://www.freecourtdockets.com/ |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 8:53:22 PM EDT
[#5]
In honor of the OP, changed my user title.
"Shall not be infringed." |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 10/31/2014 8:57:49 PM EDT
[#6]
Presiding Judge: Barbara M.G. Lynn
Clinton nominee, if that a concern? |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:05:33 PM EDT
[#7]
I know this has been discussed, but I am wondering what Nolo would have to say. I am excited at this case and donated early on, but have slight hesitations.
What is the chance that they not only keep the tax, but increase it to keep up with inflation? Also, could they rule against trusts owning NFA items, and therefore remove the option of using a trust to get around CLEO signoff and finger prints? I had no idea about the ruling allowing citizens to own common weapons. My little brother is in law school and has been explaining some things to me about how federal law works vs district rulings. Essentially, from what I understand, the federal law is somewhat vague and district rulings clarify this further in a case by case basis. Those rulings can dictate further rulings. But it seems from what I read in the complaint that these groundbreaking rulings have been totally disregarded as the ATF essentially continues to do what they want. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:08:40 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dvorak:
Presiding Judge: Barbara M.G. Lynn Clinton nominee, if that a concern? Yeah, what is known about this lady? |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:08:56 PM EDT
[#9]
Hmm two extra placeholders... Wonder what those could be for....
Nolo can you please add the donation link to the OP? Hard to hunt through the thread for it. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:17:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wmjlar15]
[#10]
Congrats Nolo on this awesome file I read through it all and it seems you have them by the .... I seen you quoted the Rock Island case in the suit does that mean NFA tax is unconstitutional in IL? Also IL state law does state only persons are include in the MG portion of the states unconstitutional law. I believe it would exempt trust's and I filed for to in early Sept. and was disapproved. Either way can't wait for the outcome. Thanks for all that you have done on case 1 and shedding light on our government's over steps.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:26:00 PM EDT
[#11]
so much a tag
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:27:02 PM EDT
[#12]
Donated a little bit for now. Next payday I'll be able to contribute a more significant amount.
This shit is fucking awesome! |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:29:03 PM EDT
[#13]
Well done!
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:43:56 PM EDT
[#14]
Just sent another $100.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:50:26 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dvorak:
Presiding Judge: Barbara M.G. Lynn Clinton nominee, if that a concern? Barbara Machine Gun Lynn she is already destined to be associated with bringing down the NFA 
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:01:03 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LuxorDeathbed:
Had that much figured out when I read the entire thing at lunch. I was giggling like a school girl. I think I had other people wondering. What I need to find is the online website lookup to see progress, motions filed, etc. Maybe try tomorrow or pretty sure someone will post something. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LuxorDeathbed:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
Originally Posted By LuxorDeathbed:
I work in legal "areas" per say and occasionally have to breeze over court docs. Understanding how court works, this is going to be epic reading/following. I need to learn the case numbers and court online look up to follow them... Is that what you need: Case 3:14-cv-03872-M Had that much figured out when I read the entire thing at lunch. I was giggling like a school girl. I think I had other people wondering. What I need to find is the online website lookup to see progress, motions filed, etc. Maybe try tomorrow or pretty sure someone will post something. https://www.pacer.gov/ |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:21:11 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By danpass:
Barbara Machine Gun Lynn she is already destined to be associated with bringing down the NFA Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By danpass:
Originally Posted By Dvorak:
Presiding Judge: Barbara M.G. Lynn Clinton nominee, if that a concern? Barbara Machine Gun Lynn she is already destined to be associated with bringing down the NFA I saw that and thought the exact same thing
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:28:39 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shoulder_Buster:
I saw that and thought the exact same thing Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shoulder_Buster:
Originally Posted By danpass:
Originally Posted By Dvorak:
Presiding Judge: Barbara M.G. Lynn Clinton nominee, if that a concern? Barbara Machine Gun Lynn she is already destined to be associated with bringing down the NFA I saw that and thought the exact same thing 
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:44:16 PM EDT
[#19]
In for the win.!
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:51:31 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LTCetme:
In for the win.! Give them hell Nolo! And I'll give more funds as I can. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:52:27 PM EDT
[#21]
Best of luck
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:54:16 PM EDT
[#22]
Tag get em
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:58:03 PM EDT
[#23]
Another prayer for Nolo, plaintiff, and the rest involved. Lord may they be uplifted to have the fortitude to see this through, blessed with the funds to see this through, and graced with the strategy and arguments to see this through. I ask this not for myself, and gladly surrender any opportunity to own a machine gun for myself, if for only the right to be available for my countrymen to own them. Amen.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 11:16:54 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattR:
I know this has been discussed, but I am wondering what Nolo would have to say. I am excited at this case and donated early on, but have slight hesitations. What is the chance that they not only keep the tax, but increase it to keep up with inflation? Also, could they rule against trusts owning NFA items, and therefore remove the option of using a trust to get around CLEO signoff and finger prints? I had no idea about the ruling allowing citizens to own common weapons. My little brother is in law school and has been explaining some things to me about how federal law works vs district rulings. Essentially, from what I understand, the federal law is somewhat vague and district rulings clarify this further in a case by case basis. Those rulings can dictate further rulings. But it seems from what I read in the complaint that these groundbreaking rulings have been totally disregarded as the ATF essentially continues to do what they want. A court can't increase the tax on their own, and neither can ATF. - would require congressional action. As with all 2A issues, it should be DOA in a Republican House. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 11:39:29 PM EDT
[#25]
I know that the guy's name is out there, but y'all don't post stuff with his contact info please.
There are people who are not as excited about this as us. Think about that and be careful. If you know people at sites that are posting that stuff, ask their mods to remove it too. People are crazy. Don't make it easy for them to harass this man. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 11:42:13 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krpind:
I know that the guy's name is out there, but y'all don't post stuff with his contact info please. There are people who are not as excited about this as us. Think about that and be careful. If you know people at sites that are posting that stuff, ask their mods to remove it too. People are crazy. Don't make it easy for them to harass this man. Is it acceptable to use the plaintiffs name (Mr. X)? |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 11:44:36 PM EDT
[#27]
+1. No reason to make it harder on him than this will already be.
And... TAG!  |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 11:49:51 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
Is it acceptable to use the plaintiffs name (Mr. X)? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
Originally Posted By krpind:
I know that the guy's name is out there, but y'all don't post stuff with his contact info please. There are people who are not as excited about this as us. Think about that and be careful. If you know people at sites that are posting that stuff, ask their mods to remove it too. People are crazy. Don't make it easy for them to harass this man. Is it acceptable to use the plaintiffs name (Mr. X)? Of course. That will be part of history and law forever if this goes anywhere. His stuff may be out there anyway, but that was copies of the actual stamp with address. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 11:51:17 PM EDT
[#29]
If anyone saw that anywhere else in this thread let me know where. Thanks
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Posted: 11/1/2014 12:14:21 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattR:
I know this has been discussed, but I am wondering what Nolo would have to say. I am excited at this case and donated early on, but have slight hesitations. What is the chance that they not only keep the tax, but increase it to keep up with inflation? Also, could they rule against trusts owning NFA items, and therefore remove the option of using a trust to get around CLEO signoff and finger prints? I had no idea about the ruling allowing citizens to own common weapons. My little brother is in law school and has been explaining some things to me about how federal law works vs district rulings. Essentially, from what I understand, the federal law is somewhat vague and district rulings clarify this further in a case by case basis. Those rulings can dictate further rulings. But it seems from what I read in the complaint that these groundbreaking rulings have been totally disregarded as the ATF essentially continues to do what they want. They have already proposed legislation to raise the NFA fees and they are planning on changing the rules on Trusts soon. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 12:49:12 AM EDT
[#31]
IN!
and yall damn well know that the manufacturers are watching this like hawks, possibly getting those dirty little thoughts in their heads 
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Posted: 11/1/2014 12:53:56 AM EDT
[#32]
In at last - read every post so far.
Even if this wins it causes other problems. Example in Colorado a MG, or suppressor is a dangerous weapon and illegal under state law, however it is an affirmative defense that the item in question is duly registered as a NFA item. So no new NFA paperwork means no more get out of jail free passes for new owners of NFA class firearms. Over haul the NFA as butchered by the GCA-68, sure! Change the status of a suppressor, from firearm to AOW, and also move SBS and SBR to AOW. Remove the whole DD section as that was all garbage added in the 60's Return NFA to revenue tax status, as in you pay your tax at point of purchase and your stamp is sent out the same day the paperwork is received (and if done online, that means you could print your stamp receipt on the spot) what ever "Brady Check" system in place in your state should be acceptable. A gun is a gun is a gun. I once read a reverse 2A - "The Government may not purchase, posses, issue or in any way use any firearm, ammunition or personal weapons system not available on the open market to all citizens." 
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Posted: 11/1/2014 1:00:04 AM EDT
[#33]
In from CA. Here's to hoping for the best.
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Posted: 11/1/2014 1:05:17 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krpind:
I know that the guy's name is out there, but y'all don't post stuff with his contact info please. There are people who are not as excited about this as us. Think about that and be careful. If you know people at sites that are posting that stuff, ask their mods to remove it too. People are crazy. Don't make it easy for them to harass this man. I think it is better that we all know his name and that it is out there. If we did not know it the enemies of freedom could easily snuff him out without our knowledge. I for one am not going to be happy if my friend has some issues. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 1:15:42 AM EDT
[#35]
All firearms and ammunition are taxed.
At the time (1934) it was hard to conceive firearms prices over $200 so an NFA tax of $200 was more than 100% of the sale price of most guns. I way be rusty, but IIRC the NFA tax trumps the normal Excise tax... So - In theory Barrett could sell a SBR version of its rifle cheaper than the standard length model... At least from a tax perspective... Anyway back to the fight at hand. Nolo - may the FEDS offer No Contest. (Sorry bad reverse pun, couldn't help myself, just had to do it.) |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 1:25:31 AM EDT
[#36]
Subscribed.
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Posted: 11/1/2014 1:28:58 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaiK:
I think it is better that we all know his name and that it is out there. If we did not know it the enemies of freedom could easily snuff him out without our knowledge. I for one am not going to be happy if my friend has some issues. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaiK:
Originally Posted By krpind:
I know that the guy's name is out there, but y'all don't post stuff with his contact info please. There are people who are not as excited about this as us. Think about that and be careful. If you know people at sites that are posting that stuff, ask their mods to remove it too. People are crazy. Don't make it easy for them to harass this man. I think it is better that we all know his name and that it is out there. If we did not know it the enemies of freedom could easily snuff him out without our knowledge. I for one am not going to be happy if my friend has some issues. This isn't something up for debate. By rule, we don't allow the posting of any individual's address. 
5) Posting of someone else's personal contact information (home phone numbers, home addresses, unpublished e-mail addresses, and the like). This includes information obtained through WHOIS searches,etc. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 1:31:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Eagle34]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
If the gun control fight were to be described as decades of trench warfare, this is equivalent of launching the Enola Gay on a course for the enemy's capital.
The depth of my pleasure and satisfaction at being a tiny part of this is beyond my ability to express in words. I can only smile and remind myself that someday I will tell the tale to my son and his sons. This right here. I am proud to say that I have shook the hand of the man that is bringing the fight to the man. 
BTW Nolo, do you have a favorite flavor of cigar, I'll stop (you know where) on my way home and pick up a few for you. Even hand deliver them to you.
Keep fighting the good fight brother. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 1:34:36 AM EDT
[#39]
In. So in. And I'm late to the party. I read the entire document. Sent links to a bunch of people. Thank you for your hard work, Nolo. Will donate next pay period.
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Posted: 11/1/2014 1:49:02 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krpind:
This isn't something up for debate. By rule, we don't allow the posting of any individual's address.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krpind:
Originally Posted By KaiK:
Originally Posted By krpind:
I know that the guy's name is out there, but y'all don't post stuff with his contact info please. There are people who are not as excited about this as us. Think about that and be careful. If you know people at sites that are posting that stuff, ask their mods to remove it too. People are crazy. Don't make it easy for them to harass this man. I think it is better that we all know his name and that it is out there. If we did not know it the enemies of freedom could easily snuff him out without our knowledge. I for one am not going to be happy if my friend has some issues. This isn't something up for debate. By rule, we don't allow the posting of any individual's address.
5) Posting of someone else's personal contact information (home phone numbers, home addresses, unpublished e-mail addresses, and the like). This includes information obtained through WHOIS searches,etc. Rules. 
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Posted: 11/1/2014 1:49:35 AM EDT
[#41]
Keep up the good work Nolo.
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Posted: 11/1/2014 2:09:51 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaiK:
Rules. Are you drunk? Do you understand that they posted his home address? Are you really arguing that that is appropriate? That wouldn't be allowed by a rule that existed for almost a decade before you even joined ARFCOM, even for someone who was suing to get guns banned. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 2:26:32 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krpind:
Are you drunk? Yes Do you understand that they posted his home address? No Are you really arguing that that is appropriate? No That wouldn't be allowed by a rule that existed for almost a decade before you even joined ARFCOM, even for someone who was suing to get guns banned. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krpind:
Originally Posted By KaiK:
Rules. Are you drunk? Yes Do you understand that they posted his home address? No Are you really arguing that that is appropriate? No That wouldn't be allowed by a rule that existed for almost a decade before you even joined ARFCOM, even for someone who was suing to get guns banned. You need sarcasm meter checked. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 2:50:30 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WinterSoldier:
http://th09.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2014/160/e/9/ronald_reagan_the_liberator_by_sharpwriter-d7lmkqs.jpg That is pretty messed up, as it was Ronnie that signed Hughes into law. 
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Posted: 11/1/2014 2:54:14 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eagle34:
That is pretty messed up, as it was Ronnie that signed Hughes into law. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eagle34:
Originally Posted By WinterSoldier:
http://th09.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2014/160/e/9/ronald_reagan_the_liberator_by_sharpwriter-d7lmkqs.jpg That is pretty messed up, as it was Ronnie that signed Hughes into law. He got banned, Bro. So fuck him. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 4:14:52 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaiK:
He got banned, Bro. So fuck him. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaiK:
Originally Posted By Eagle34:
Originally Posted By WinterSoldier:
http://th09.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2014/160/e/9/ronald_reagan_the_liberator_by_sharpwriter-d7lmkqs.jpg That is pretty messed up, as it was Ronnie that signed Hughes into law. He got banned, Bro. So fuck him. Ronnie not Donny.
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Posted: 11/1/2014 6:16:58 AM EDT
[#47]
Shit...in on 12 I guess. Missed this one
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Posted: 11/1/2014 6:57:36 AM EDT
[#48]
I got fifty on it....
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Posted: 11/1/2014 7:07:46 AM EDT
[#49]
You'd get more traffic if you mentioned new MGs in the title.
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Posted: 11/1/2014 7:35:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Certified mail went out today with copies of the complaint and summons to B Todd Jones and Eric H. Holder, Jr.
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