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Posted: 10/30/2014 6:45:37 PM EDT
[#1]
John Wick knows Kung Fu
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Posted: 10/30/2014 6:46:36 PM EDT
[#2]
this is the first time I've heard of "center axis relock" shooting.....
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Posted: 10/30/2014 6:49:29 PM EDT
[#3]
Must be a Gamer thing
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Posted: 10/30/2014 6:50:42 PM EDT
[#4]
I heard it's Tier 1derful
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Posted: 10/30/2014 6:51:40 PM EDT
[#5]
I can understand why from a retention aspect it might make sense in certain situations but that shit just looks retarded.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 6:51:45 PM EDT
[#6]
1 in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 6:54:39 PM EDT
[#7]
I looked it up
No thanks. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 6:57:11 PM EDT
[#8]
Had to look it up. Looks cool but not something I've tried.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 6:59:49 PM EDT
[#9]
I don't get using your non-dominant eye to shoot with. That part doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I am interested in some of the close retention shooting positions though, but not sure they're worth much yet with as little knowledge as I have on it.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:04:03 PM EDT
[#10]
Hmmmmm.....never heard of it.....doesnt mean it doesnt make sense.
Good flick by the way. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:04:51 PM EDT
[#11]
*piqued And man, those CG muzzle flashes look horrible. Did they get the Walking Dead SFX guys to do it? Should have gotten Freddie Wong to help out. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:08:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:10:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:11:34 PM EDT
[#14]
It looks like shit.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:11:44 PM EDT
[#15]
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And man, those CG muzzle flashes look horrible. I agree. I had been thinking about watching it this weekend because of good reviews, but I just might wait for the home video release. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:20:40 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryThat website is horrible  Looks like more tactical-ninja cool kid wannabe stuff, but I'm sure it's a useful technique to have in the toolbox.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:20:55 PM EDT
[#17]
I saw it. Well worth the ticket price.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:22:25 PM EDT
[#18]
I don't see how shooting with non-dominant eye under stress is practical ... But that is just my $0.02
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:23:03 PM EDT
[#19]
I saw it yesterday.
Typically videogame superhero stuff. Very meh.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:24:53 PM EDT
[#20]
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Typically videogame superhero stuff. yeah, looks fucking awesome |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:25:07 PM EDT
[#21]
It does not look like he is spending a lot of time on target identification / confirmation before shooting, but perhaps it is just a movie and not to be taken realistically.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:35:46 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote History"We have a duty to ensure that we continue to search for techniques that work on demand and at a moment’s notice. To resist new ideas, to discard new thinking, to turn a blind eye, is to put our ego in front of the safety of an Operators Life. " Translation: The market is saturated with instructors teaching proven techniques, so I had to invent this bullshit in order to stand out. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:24:48 PM EDT
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I got smoked on a two player arcade console by a buddy that took the course. (shrugs)
He liked it. I saw it as a good way to get slide kissed in my teeth. EDIT: I didn't know Paul Castle had died. No point in speaking ill of the dead. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 12:01:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/31/2014 12:11:13 AM EDT
[#25]
I took a class that my work sent me to that was billed as a "CQB" class. It ended up being a C.A.R. class. I hated it and really didn't take anything away from it. 95% of the shooting during the class was from less than 5 yards (WAY LESS) and the longest was I believe 10 or 15 yards. In my opinion, you can shoot any technique you want from that distance and get good hits fast.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 12:17:50 AM EDT
[#26]
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I can understand why from a retention aspect it might make sense in certain situations but that shit just looks retarded. Fixed it. CAR is full of fail and aids. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 12:21:56 AM EDT
[#27]
Center axis relock is purely idiotic, but it looks cool to people I guess.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 12:22:10 AM EDT
[#28]
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I am interested in some of the close retention shooting positions though, but not sure they're worth much yet with as little knowledge as I have on it. Southnarc aka Shivworks is a good place to learn stuff that actually works instead of being based on a movie. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 12:23:22 AM EDT
[#29]
Bullets are like bubble gum. Bring enough for everyone.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 12:25:54 AM EDT
[#30]
Thats just silly.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 12:31:26 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryHo Lee Hale. That looks like a good way to have unaccounted for rounds outside of 5ft. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 12:48:22 AM EDT
[#32]
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Ho Lee Hale. That looks like a good way to have unaccounted for rounds outside of 5ft. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Ho Lee Hale. That looks like a good way to have unaccounted for rounds outside of 5ft. It looks like the intention of this style is close-quarters only. For targets at distance, the guy seems to revert to normal isosceles/weaver. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 12:51:20 AM EDT
[#33]
I've done enough research into CAR to know it isn't for me (or humans in general)
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Posted: 10/31/2014 12:56:38 AM EDT
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Possibly one of the best courses to take look up a company called c.a.t.s. They are awesome trainers
http://www.sabretactical.com/html/center_axis_relock__car_.html Completed level I and advanced level II handgun at c.a.t.s. Will be completing the shotgun and AR gun courses shortly |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 1:01:50 AM EDT
[#35]
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Possibly one of the best courses to take look up a company called c.a.t.s. They are awesome trainers http://www.sabretactical.com/html/center_axis_relock__car_.html Completed level I and advanced level II handgun at c.a.t.s. Will be completing the shotgun and AR gun courses shortly 2nd post. user name. pimping an unknown. hhmmm..... |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 1:05:38 AM EDT
[#36]
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Possibly one of the best courses to take look up a company called c.a.t.s. They are awesome trainers http://www.sabretactical.com/html/center_axis_relock__car_.html Completed level I and advanced level II handgun at c.a.t.s. Will be completing the shotgun and AR gun courses shortly Quote HistoryQuoted:
Possibly one of the best courses to take look up a company called c.a.t.s. They are awesome trainers http://www.sabretactical.com/html/center_axis_relock__car_.html Completed level I and advanced level II handgun at c.a.t.s. Will be completing the shotgun and AR gun courses shortly Founder, Director & Instructor
Civilian Arms Training Source was founded in 1992 by Tim George. Tim has trained under the excellent instruction of Max Joseph and co- instructors of T.F.T.T. Tactical Firearms Training Team. Tim is a black shirt graduate and has accomplished disciplines in: Tactical handgun levels l ll lll. Advanced Weapons Skills l ll (AWS) Defensive Tactical Shotgun Tactical Rifle (Tac Rifle) Advanced Firearms Training Structure Entry (A.F.T.S.E.) Defensive edge Conceal carry Defensive Tactical Night shoots. Accomplished Certificate of completion. Department of Justice (DOJ) Certified Firearms Instructor National Rifle Association (NRA) Certified Pistol & Shotgun Instructor Firearms Training Association (FTA) conceal carry qualification. Sabre Tactical Certified to teach Center Axis Relock (C.A.R.) WTF is a "black shirt graduate"? Shills don't tend to last long so enjoy your stay. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 1:06:58 AM EDT
[#37]
I've long wondered what the soup sandwich shooting technique that the fellow who brought the FN 5.7 to take my CCW class was called.
I've taught hundreds of CCW classes, and this guy came in already an "expert." Bad-mouthed my technique in my own class, giving me "suggestions" on my stance, grip, etc. Very much "that guy." Well, we come to the range portion of the class, and buddy pulls out his 5.7, takes his target, and he's such an expert that I figured I'd just tell him how many rounds he needs to put in the practice and test target, and we'd be good to go. I could focus on my other students, a mixed bag of blue-haired old ladies, younger couples, and the like, all shooting my .22 pistols. As I walk down the line, I see ol boy about whack himself in his shooting glasses with the slide shooting like the videos. Stop and watch him for a bit, and at 7 yards, my class "expert" is all over the fucking place. The 70 year old women in class are turning in softball sized groups in the center of the target and this guy has holes on every edge of the 24X45 inch B-27 target. He had to re-take the test after I unfucked his technique while the rest of the class waited, and that shamed him into shooting like a normal human being. He also ran out of 5.7 ammo so had to use a .22 target pistol. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 1:07:34 AM EDT
[#38]
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Possibly one of the best courses to take look up a company called c.a.t.s. They are awesome trainers http://www.sabretactical.com/html/center_axis_relock__car_.html Completed level I and advanced level II handgun at c.a.t.s. Will be completing the shotgun and AR gun courses shortly lol Go away. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 1:08:47 AM EDT
[#39]
seems like a good way to shoot yourself in the arm.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 1:13:51 AM EDT
[#40]
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seems like a good way to shoot yourself in the arm.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6l3p4Z5Xs4
I think I'm going to make a parody video. ETA: I like how it zooms in on the groups... yeah... you're shooting from 1 foot away.. Oh, and that's a .22. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 1:14:11 AM EDT
[#41]
I THOUGHT I wanted to see that when it hit video...
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Posted: 10/31/2014 1:20:22 AM EDT
[#42]
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That website is horrible
Looks like more tactical-ninja cool kid wannabe stuff, but I'm sure it's a useful technique to have in the toolbox. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Looks like more tactical-ninja cool kid wannabe stuff, but I'm sure it's a useful technique to have in the toolbox. I came to post this. It's just another tool for the toolbox. Paul Castle is the man that came up with CAR. Here's his bio from his company: "Paul Castle was born in Ramsgate, England on January 14, 1959. He joined the Kent Police Force at the age of 18 and served in a variety of capacities including Detective and Training Officer. After his retirement from the Police Force, he moved to the United States to begin his new career as a Tactical Trainer. His many accomplishments with Sabre TTRR, the company he founded, are both impressive and extensive. During the last several years of his life, Paul dealt with cancer but continued to provide his high standard of training. Paul actually missed the airing of an A&E documentary on his training due to being in the hospital for surgery. Paul ultimately lost his battle with cancer on September 14, 2011. Paul Castle was an incredibly unique individual - He is sorely missed. Combining his extensive training and experience with firearms Paul developed the Center Axis Relock (CAR) Shooting System. His dedication and passion for teaching the CAR System was based on his unwavering belief that the System could help save lives. Considering there are documented cases where Police Officers involved in shootings believe the CAR System contributed to their survival, Paul’s belief seems justified. Paul’s legacy, The CAR Shooting System will live on." |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 1:22:01 AM EDT
[#43]
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I saw it yesterday. Typically videogame superhero stuff. Very meh. That's what I thought before doing some research. It wouldn't kill anyone to do some themselves before throwing out "videogame superhero stuff", especially if you are just a weekend range shooter. While I personally wouldn't use it on a daily basis, it is a technique to put in the toolbox. ETA After rereading that, I thought I should say, that wasn't directed at anyone or meant to be demeaning, but it sure looks that way. lol It's just a technique that may or maynot be useful at some point, but it definitely isn't from Cory and Erika. 
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Posted: 10/31/2014 1:24:55 AM EDT
[#44]
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"We have a duty to ensure that we continue to search for techniques that work on demand and at a moment’s notice. To resist new ideas, to discard new thinking, to turn a blind eye, is to put our ego in front of the safety of an Operators Life. " Translation: The market is saturated with instructors teaching proven techniques, so I had to invent this bullshit in order to stand out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
"We have a duty to ensure that we continue to search for techniques that work on demand and at a moment’s notice. To resist new ideas, to discard new thinking, to turn a blind eye, is to put our ego in front of the safety of an Operators Life. " Translation: The market is saturated with instructors teaching proven techniques, so I had to invent this bullshit in order to stand out. Pretty close. CAR is old now. It started showing up around 05', and like any cool new dance move, some of the kids just had to proclaim it as the "next new best technique". Some good points, some bad, depending on when and how utilized, like everything else. It has been largely ignored for a reason though, and not because it looks 'Tarded. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 1:25:05 AM EDT
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I've long wondered what the soup sandwich shooting technique that the fellow who brought the FN 5.7 to take my CCW class was called. I've taught hundreds of CCW classes, and this guy came in already an "expert." Bad-mouthed my technique in my own class, giving me "suggestions" on my stance, grip, etc. Very much "that guy." Well, we come to the range portion of the class, and buddy pulls out his 5.7, takes his target, and he's such an expert that I figured I'd just tell him how many rounds he needs to put in the practice and test target, and we'd be good to go. I could focus on my other students, a mixed bag of blue-haired old ladies, younger couples, and the like, all shooting my .22 pistols. As I walk down the line, I see ol boy about whack himself in his shooting glasses with the slide shooting like the videos. Stop and watch him for a bit, and at 7 yards, my class "expert" is all over the fucking place. The 70 year old women in class are turning in softball sized groups in the center of the target and this guy has holes on every edge of the 24X45 inch B-27 target. He had to re-take the test after I unfucked his technique while the rest of the class waited, and that shamed him into shooting like a normal human being. He also ran out of 5.7 ammo so had to use a .22 target pistol. I approve of your teaching technique, but you might need to adjust your "Get the hell out of my classroom" just a little bit earlier. 
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Posted: 10/31/2014 1:28:22 AM EDT
[#46]
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That's what I thought before doing some research. It wouldn't kill anyone to do some themselves before throwing out "videogame superhero stuff", especially if you are just a weekend range shooter. While I personally wouldn't use it on a daily basis, it is a technique to put in the toolbox. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I saw it yesterday. Typically videogame superhero stuff. Very meh. That's what I thought before doing some research. It wouldn't kill anyone to do some themselves before throwing out "videogame superhero stuff", especially if you are just a weekend range shooter. While I personally wouldn't use it on a daily basis, it is a technique to put in the toolbox. lol |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 1:29:20 AM EDT
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seems like a good way to shoot yourself in the arm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6l3p4Z5Xs4
But its tacticalllllllllllllll!!!! BRO |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 1:34:17 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It does not look like he is spending a lot of time on target identification / confirmation before shooting, but perhaps it is just a movie and not to be taken realistically. Unless your last name is Mattis, I find that I save a lot of time that would be spent looking for trouble, if my scriptwriters, stunt coordinator and choreographer all get together and tell me when and where the BGs will be...
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Posted: 10/31/2014 1:39:21 AM EDT
[#49]
I don't get it. Is this CAR technique something you practice just in case you ever get in a shootout inside a phone booth? Assuming phone booths are still a thing.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 1:41:10 AM EDT
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I hate the phrase "it's another tool for the tool box" and it's variations, just because I got so sick and tired of hearing it and it still makes me cringe.
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