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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:19:20 PM EDT
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ETA:  and 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:19:44 PM EDT
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Did Spartanatheart get a new log in?
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:20:24 PM EDT
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Did Spartanatheart get a new log in? Shut your mouth 11'er |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:20:38 PM EDT
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Oh, great, another derp thread.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:20:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:20:57 PM EDT
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What is the likely hood of any GOP winning any political office in Washington State?
They are picking their battles with the goal of a GOP controlled Senate. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:21:07 PM EDT
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Did Spartanatheart get a new log in? Shut your mouth 11'er Cry more for me. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:21:15 PM EDT
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 I'm pretty damn sure from all the NRA stickers I see on vehicles on this state that the NRA gets a lot of money from here.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:21:39 PM EDT
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They spend money where the investment has a chance of success. NRA does not tilt at windmills.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:22:10 PM EDT
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What is the likely hood of any GOP winning any political office in Washington State? They are picking their battles with the goal of a GOP controlled Senate. Oh, I'm sorry I was under the false assumption that the NRA was in the business of advancing gun rights, and that there's an anti-gun measure on the ballot they might be interested in fighting. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:22:47 PM EDT
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I don't see your Eagle.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:23:20 PM EDT
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Oh, I'm sorry I was under the false assumption that the NRA was in the business of advancing gun rights, and that there's an anti-gun measure on the ballot they might be interested in fighting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is the likely hood of any GOP winning any political office in Washington State? They are picking their battles with the goal of a GOP controlled Senate. Oh, I'm sorry I was under the false assumption that the NRA was in the business of advancing gun rights, and that there's an anti-gun measure on the ballot they might be interested in fighting. It appears you're under the assumption that they have unlimited funds and people to engage everywhere all the time. How robust is your state level gun rights organization? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:23:34 PM EDT
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You know they don't have an endless supply of money right?
ATA, beat to the punch. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:24:16 PM EDT
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I don't see your Eagle. Damn that reminds me... I gotta send my info in and get mine. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:24:22 PM EDT
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The fact is that opposing 594 pre-election is throwing good money after bad.. it's polling with 60%+ support.
Once it passes and the legal challenges start, that's when I'll judge their involvement. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:26:59 PM EDT
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The fact is that opposing 594 pre-election is throwing good money after bad.. it's polling with 60%+ support. Once it passes and the legal challenges start, that's when I'll judge their involvement. What's your involvement with the NRA? I don't see your Eagle. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:27:14 PM EDT
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When is the next NRA money bomb coming up?
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:28:37 PM EDT
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NRA contributions to 2014 elections North Carolina: $5.1 million Colorado: $4.7 million Iowa: $4.06 million Arkansas: $2.9 million Washington state where there's an actual anti-gun measure on the ballot for the first time in 20 years: 485k OK, the anti-gun guys have raised $7.3 million to spend on I-594. Which of the above states are you willing to defund and lose in the Senate (i.e. the NATIONAL part) so that you can spend $ for $ in Washinton State to defeat I-594? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:28:43 PM EDT
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They spend money where the investment has a chance of success. NRA does not tilt at windmills. Lol it's hardly quixotic, Washington has always defeated anti-gun measures. Until now when we're getting railroaded by bloomberg money and the NRA is no where to be found. Not even a TV ad. For everyone that thinks we are libtard central, this state has extremely good gun laws. One of the original shall issue CCW state's and better carry laws than most, and we've been improving NFA access the last couple years. We may swing blue on a lot of congressional elections, but there's a liberal-tarian precedent when it comes to guns, but the other side is openly allowed to lie about whats in their initiative and we don't have the money to fight it. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:29:50 PM EDT
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When is the next NRA money bomb coming up? comes about once a week for me |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:30:05 PM EDT
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The referendum is not the election.
NRA is contributing to candidates in states that are in jeopardy or in play. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:30:06 PM EDT
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I'd have an eagle if it weren't for all that junk mail...
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:30:07 PM EDT
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I can only speak for Maryland but when Maryland started its own hard grass roots effort with Maryland Shall Issue that's when the NRA really stepped up to help.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:30:28 PM EDT
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Interesting polling data....
The total finding for the state is 52 percent definitely voting for I-594, which would require criminal background checks for those purchasing firearms at gun shows and on line. An additional 9.1 percent lean toward supporting I-594.
A rival measure, Initiative 591, backed by the Gun Lobby, gets definite support from only 34.4 percent, with 7.3 percent leaning toward a Yes vote. An almost equal number oppose the measure. I-591 would block the state from enacting any gun safety measure that is not already a federal requirement. Gee, I can't imagine why they won't spend more than the $500,000 they've already spent when the pro gun measure has half the support the anti gun measure does. There are people worthy of blame here, and it isn't the leadership of the NRA. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:30:35 PM EDT
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I am seeing lots of 591 ads on tv.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:31:20 PM EDT
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OK, the anti-gun guys have raised $7.3 million to spend on I-594. Which of the above states are you willing to defund and lose in the Senate (i.e. the NATIONAL part) so that you can spend $ for $ in Washinton State to defeat I-594? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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NRA contributions to 2014 elections North Carolina: $5.1 million Colorado: $4.7 million Iowa: $4.06 million Arkansas: $2.9 million Washington state where there's an actual anti-gun measure on the ballot for the first time in 20 years: 485k OK, the anti-gun guys have raised $7.3 million to spend on I-594. Which of the above states are you willing to defund and lose in the Senate (i.e. the NATIONAL part) so that you can spend $ for $ in Washinton State to defeat I-594? ... with still very little chance of stopping its passage, even with equal spending? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:31:20 PM EDT
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What's your involvement with the NRA? I don't see your Eagle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The fact is that opposing 594 pre-election is throwing good money after bad.. it's polling with 60%+ support. Once it passes and the legal challenges start, that's when I'll judge their involvement. What's your involvement with the NRA? I don't see your Eagle. I have to show you credentials to share an opinion? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:31:56 PM EDT
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unfortunately bloomberg can out spend the NRA just about anywhere, it is the folks in wa that are buying his message
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:32:23 PM EDT
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I'd have an eagle if it weren't for all that junk mail... I know it, right? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:32:31 PM EDT
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But in a survey released Tuesday, the Elway Poll found 72 percent were likely to support I-594 with 19 percent opposed;
Read more here: http://www.theolympian.com/2014/04/15/3088283/elway-poll-confused-voters-favoring.html#storylink=cpy |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:32:46 PM EDT
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Interesting polling data.... Gee, I can't imagine why they won't spend more than the $500,000 they've already spent when the pro gun measure has half the support the anti gun measure does. There are people worthy of blame here, and it isn't the leadership of the NRA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Interesting polling data.... The total finding for the state is 52 percent definitely voting for I-594, which would require criminal background checks for those purchasing firearms at gun shows and on line. An additional 9.1 percent lean toward supporting I-594.
A rival measure, Initiative 591, backed by the Gun Lobby, gets definite support from only 34.4 percent, with 7.3 percent leaning toward a Yes vote. An almost equal number oppose the measure. I-591 would block the state from enacting any gun safety measure that is not already a federal requirement. Gee, I can't imagine why they won't spend more than the $500,000 they've already spent when the pro gun measure has half the support the anti gun measure does. There are people worthy of blame here, and it isn't the leadership of the NRA. Why isn't the NRA at least endorsing i-591? Seems like that wouldn't cost any money at all, and would probably help us immensely no? Except they refuse to do it. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:32:55 PM EDT
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OP is a
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:34:11 PM EDT
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NRA bashing thursday?
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:34:37 PM EDT
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But in a survey released Tuesday, the Elway Poll found 72 percent were likely to support I-594 with 19 percent opposed; Read more here: http://www.theolympian.com/2014/04/15/3088283/elway-poll-confused-voters-favoring.html#storylink=cpy I-676 polled similarly in 1997 and was defeated by a 2-1 margin. But the NRA contributed a lot of money back then (over 3 mil), I'll admit when they decide to get behind something they can get shit done, but to us here on the ground it really feels like we're being hung out to dry. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:34:53 PM EDT
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They spend money where the investment has a chance of success. NRA does not tilt at windmills. Are you talking about the same NRA that has given money to pro gun politicians like Shumer , Lautenberg , and Reid ? Go back to late 90's and early 2000's . These liberal anti gunners all got NRA funds for reelection |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:35:05 PM EDT
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I have to show you credentials to share an opinion? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The fact is that opposing 594 pre-election is throwing good money after bad.. it's polling with 60%+ support. Once it passes and the legal challenges start, that's when I'll judge their involvement. What's your involvement with the NRA? I don't see your Eagle. I have to show you credentials to share an opinion? I find it interesting those that talk bad or "I'll judge their involvement" are not even members. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:35:19 PM EDT
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NRA bashing thursday? What? You wern't ready yet? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:35:39 PM EDT
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Its because the hippy lettuce is legal in Washington State.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:36:05 PM EDT
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I find it interesting those that talk bad or "I'll judge their involvement" are not even members. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The fact is that opposing 594 pre-election is throwing good money after bad.. it's polling with 60%+ support. Once it passes and the legal challenges start, that's when I'll judge their involvement. What's your involvement with the NRA? I don't see your Eagle. I have to show you credentials to share an opinion? I find it interesting those that talk bad or "I'll judge their involvement" are not even members. Because I don't have a bird it means I'm not/have never been a member? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:36:05 PM EDT
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Why isn't the NRA at least endorsing i-591? Seems like that wouldn't cost any money at all, and would probably help us immensely no? Except they refuse to do it because it's associated with SAF and Alan Gottlieb. I have no clue, because I'm not privy to their decision making process. Has your state level organization reached out for help from the NRA? Have you personally reached out and asked anyone with the NRA-ILA why they're not helping? Have you stopped to ponder why you're upset with an organization that has thrown half a million dollars your way and think that constitutes "hanging you out to dry"? Are you a member of either the NRA or your state level gun rights organization? Questions abound. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:38:01 PM EDT
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I find it interesting those that talk bad or "I'll judge their involvement" are not even members. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The fact is that opposing 594 pre-election is throwing good money after bad.. it's polling with 60%+ support. Once it passes and the legal challenges start, that's when I'll judge their involvement. What's your involvement with the NRA? I don't see your Eagle. I have to show you credentials to share an opinion? I find it interesting those that talk bad or "I'll judge their involvement" are not even members. I don't carry around my NRA card or my NRA-ILA contribution receipts. Regardless, I understand their lack of presence at this time.. I've had the conversation probably a dozen times now, and it's tiresome. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:38:07 PM EDT
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Are you talking about the same NRA that has given money to pro gun politicians like Shumer , Lautenberg , and Reid ? Go back to late 90's and early 2000's . These liberal anti gunners all got NRA funds for reelection Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They spend money where the investment has a chance of success. NRA does not tilt at windmills. Are you talking about the same NRA that has given money to pro gun politicians like Shumer , Lautenberg , and Reid ? Go back to late 90's and early 2000's . These liberal anti gunners all got NRA funds for reelection need some direction here, the NRA has always been at odds with schumer and lautenberg. reid just recently went anti gun |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:38:33 PM EDT
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I have no clue, because I'm not privy to their decision making process. Has your state level organization reached out for help from the NRA? Have you personally reached out and asked anyone with the NRA-ILA why they're not helping? Yes, several people have and we get generic form response like you would get from writing your elected representatives with no meaningful answers or explanations. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:38:36 PM EDT
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Triage
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:39:00 PM EDT
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What is the likely hood of any GOP winning any political office in Washington State? They are picking their battles with the goal of a GOP controlled Senate. This 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:39:06 PM EDT
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And just to bring it over from the other thread:
Andrew Arulanandam, a spokesman for the NRA in Virginia, said the group has had two full-time staff on the ground for months. He estimated that the NRA has spent a total of $300,000 to $400,000 so far against I-594, with that number likely to grow in the final two months before Election Day. That figure doesn’t include communications with members and those who receive the NRA’s magazines and publications, he said." Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/09/11/washington-gun-rights-advocates-wonder-where-is-the-nra/ Yep, you sure have been "hung out to dry".
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:41:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd have an eagle if it weren't for all that junk mail...  |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:41:27 PM EDT
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More interesting tidbits from that article:
“They’re carpet-bombing the airwaves. I don’t see any way 594 is not going to pass,” Gottlieb said of the measure to expand background checks.
... Arulanandam added that the NRA would spend more money advertising against I-594. ..... Arulanandam said the NRA is working hard to defeat I-594. “We’re all on the same side, and we’re working towards the common goal. We all need to work together to beat back this effort to influence an election by multi-billionaires,” he said. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:41:36 PM EDT
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Washington is a lost cause. The gun laws are constantly rated in the bottom 25 states no matter how you'd like to see them. Its getting more and more liberal all the time. There are really two options for you. A) You live in western Washington, which in that case you're fucked and wouldn't know pro gun or a conservative lifestyle if it slapped you in the face. Or B) You live in eastern Washington which in that case you should move to Idaho and never look back. Pumping money into the state of Washington would be an absolute waste of money for the NRA.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:41:49 PM EDT
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I don't carry around my NRA card or my NRA-ILA contribution receipts. Regardless, I understand their lack of presence at this time.. I've had the conversation probably a dozen times now, and it's tiresome. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I find it interesting those that talk bad or "I'll judge their involvement" are not even members. I don't carry around my NRA card or my NRA-ILA contribution receipts. Regardless, I understand their lack of presence at this time.. I've had the conversation probably a dozen times now, and it's tiresome. Just an observation. Two guys talking shit about the NRA from what I can tell from here are not members nor send them money. |
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