When some random dude you don't know starts calling you "friend" you're guaranteed that they're selling something.

Yep.  And the trouble is I could see that happening all to easily.  Be very cautions about fucking with the brilliance of the Founders.

I think OP needs to get an Industry Partner account if he's going to keep shilling his link on here.

Great story about your grandfather. Thanks for sharing.

Great story about your grandfather. Thanks for sharing.

Told you so......

So can you go to www.conventionofstates.com to get proof he's not selling anything, etc?   How hard can it be to find out if this is legit or not?  

I doubt you'll even get the convention (too much apathy, not enough effected) but if you do, my bet is on it triggering the eventual civil war early. Which isn't a bad thing I suppose.

OldCarGuy -- Your reply is appreciated as is your service to advance a CoS application in PA. There's a lot of fear and misinformation around this process, and I am not deterred by it one bit. I've heard the cries and whines of naysayers all my adult life and never pay much attention to them. I'm certainly willing to listen and consider rational concerns and objections from knowledgeable individuals. Unfortunately, some of the comments in this thread are simply not based on fact or logic. So, I am pressing ahead. We're going to make this happen and restore our republic - or we're going to die trying...

Damn straight...

I have zero financial interest in this, Einstein, other than helping secure the future for my family and others. The purpose of the recruiting link is to measure the results of the volunteers' efforts. How long do you think people will do volunteer work without seeing any progress or results?

He's pimping an affiliate link, with his unique ID. Kind of like when you get a groupon or whatever, and if X number of people click through and buy with your link you are compensated.

1. I don't believe you.
2. I would imagine folks can keep deluding themselves that they're making a difference indefinitely, regardless of whether or not their recruiting metrics are tracked.
3. Einstein? What is this, the third grade? Up your personal attack game bro, you're bringing it weak here.

Not just no but FUCK NO.  People who ask for this are retarded.  Do you have ANY idea how dangerous a convention would be?  Do you know what could, and likely WOULD happen to the Constitution if a convention was called?  The same thing that happened to The Articles Of Confederation when the congress met to "amend" those.

There is a process in place to pass amendments, you do NOT need a convention.  If you can not get the necessary support to pass an amendment do you seriously think you will have the support to control the direction of a convention?

You already know the democrats want communism, and that the Republicans are spineless RINO cowards who won't stand up to them.  Do you really think a convention would go our way?

 

The subject of the last convention was supposed to be limited to amending The Articles Of Confederation, how well did that work out?

Yep.





Sounds like a good way for the dems to start shenanigans.



 

On the one hand, I agree. On the other, nowhere to run to that's as good or better.

No thanks, it'll be easier just to shoot the fucking traitors.

Stop it!











Like any of them would go to jail.
 

This

 

 

I don't care whether you believe me or not. However, your failure to recognize the truth reduces your credibility. Your approach is like that of a low information voter who doesn't do his homework before going to the polls. (no personal attack intended) It's easy enough for you to find out that CoS does not offer prizes or compensation for volunteer recruiting.

Major Kong is the only one that could fix that fucked up shit hole of a city.

Ever since I found out I could get entrance pretty easily as an electrician I've been looking at New Zealand. Good gun laws (by non-American standards anyway), decent homeschool laws, legal home distilling, and the climate is perfect.

Unclebuck and oldcarguy, please answer these questions below.

No plan of battle survives contact with the enemy. It is foolish to think that everything will go according to plan, i.e. have no reservations about this convention. The mere fact that you won't accept the possibility that it could be good to have reservations, but instead will 'recruit, recruit, recruit' at 100% confidence, tells me that you've spent too much time among people who aren't telling you everything, and likely have something to gain.

No thanks.

That's fine. It takes 38 states to ratify a proposed constitutional amendment and only 13 states to block one. I'm good with that.

 

That certainly would be a lot easier for me to get to.

The states, as sovereign entities, will decide individually how and how many delegates are selected.  The state of Indiana is out in front on how they (the state legislature) will control delegate behavior.  I have not researched if any states have current rules on delegate count and selection for any future Art V convention.  There have been regional state conventions in the past on a variety of issues, so how those delegates were selected would be an indication of how it might work for an Art V convention.  The COS resolution is deliberately and appropriately silent with respect to delegates - that is the business of the states.  

There is a large number of state legislators who are meeting to establish, in advance, what the rules of order for any convention will be.  See info on The Mount Vernon Assembly.  They have met twice, the next meeting is set for this December in DC.  The standing committees are chaired by an R and a D to ensure a bi-partisan perspective.  With respect to the convention scope, it is clear that a convention will not be called unless at least 34 states pass applications for the same topic(s) or the same amendment language.  

The COS effort is focused on 3 areas:  term limits for Congress and federal judges, fiscal controls and reductions in the scope and power of the fed govt.  COS does not believe specific language on any topic should be part of the applications for a convention, primarily because it prevents the assembled delegates from considering any desirable improvements to the language.  So we believe you pick critical topics, then let the delegates hash it out to see if a majority can agree on amendment language.  If at least 26 states do (1 state, 1 vote), then the amendment language goes to the states for ratification, just like what was done for the current 27 amendments.  It will take 38 states ratifying any proposed amendment to make it part of the Constitution.

With respect to a "Con-Con", if a group of states wants to abandon the Constitution, an Art V process is not the way to get it done.  Any outcome not consistent with the applications from the 34+ states that led to the convention would not survive the inevitable legal challenges.  I suspect the only way to "start over" with a new Constitution would be via a revolution like we did originally to set up the US.  It is clear that if the Framers had known how things would have turned out over the past 100 years or so, the Constitution would have different language and/or never have been ratified.  And they would probably be advising all the states to get into Art V mode ASAP to get necessary clarifications to the original Constitution language in place....

I think there will be extensive litigation before, during and after any Art V convention.  I think the mainstream media, the power structure in DC (lobbyists, bureaucracy, etc) and both national parties will fight like we've never seen before to keep a convention from happening.  This is why it must happen.  With respect to your question about a declaration of a different ratification process, that would not survive a Constitutionality challenge.  If the convention were to report out an amendment that specifies the changes you note, and it were to be ratified, then it would be the law of the land....but not before.

I may not have covered everything, please let me know.

To sum up the arguments:

"The process is hopelessly broken, and the fed.gov ignores the Constitution."
Followed by...

"Don't worry, you can trust that the process and Constitutional language will keep this from turning out badly."

Lol

I think there very likely will be idiot delegates.  That's why the states will not send a single delegate to a convention of this magnitude.  Also, I presume the states will vote to send individuals who care about their careers when the convention is over.  If they go rogue, they will have severely damaged their reputations.  I don't think there will be many idiots, especially not a majority over 26 state delegations.  And you still have to get whatever comes out of convention over the 38 state ratification process hurdle...

You know, that's interesting.

I never mentioned "idiot". You did.

The mere fact that you think that the worst that could possibly happen is that stupidly benign delegates won't get anything passed...


There is evil in this world. True evil. Evil that you don't seem to comprehend. It is folly to assume that it doesn't exist, and an especially great folly to assume that it won't exist at all in this... thing... you're proposing/supporting.

Term Limits

Not only that, and I agree with you completely, but this govt does not abide by the current Constitution, making amendments they will not abide by is worthless.

No no no no... we can trust these government representatives to do what we want them to.

Would not survive a challenge? The constitution clearly gives Congress authority to set rules for a convention. If Congress said a majority of States was adequate for ratification, how could that even be challenged? Who would even have standing to offer a challenge? All your assurances are nothing more than assumptions, there is literally no way to give those assumptions any teeth.

A further problem: you said it's being chaired by members of the two parties. They are the source of most of the problems, so they,re going to fix... themselves? How?

Reductions in the scope and power of fedgov??? The problem is that they're disregarding the current constitution!   There is nothing remotely vague or unclear about the commerce clause, yet all three branches claim they can compel the people to buy insurance. But if we just pass another law/amendment, that'll fix everything.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with the sentiments, the motivation, I even agree to some extent with the approach. But the assurances fall flat, there appear to be no safeguards, and there's no contingency or exit plan if things should go awry (see the Bracken novels). I still think the most likely outcome is the dissolution and breakup of the deceased and decaying remains of the USA. But that end has fair odds in any event.

It really is distressing how many things Matt Bracken wrote about years ago are coming to pass.

Really? Please provide documentary support for this claim.

The AG of the US disregards federal court orders and congress
The IRS abuses it's power against conservatives and commits federal crimes
The ATF has committed federal gun trafficking crimes
The EPA has classified our breath as toxic, closed our coal plants and mines
The POTUS does not enforce federal law, and just extended executive privilege to Holder's wife
The DEA confiscates people's bank accounts when there is no crime committed.
The CDC employees a nurse to make a legal stand to get quarantine laws thrown out.

What makes you think some rules on how  a  Convention of States is supposed to be run will be adhered to and the process will not be corrupt, like everything else.  Yes I know it is run by the states and not the fed govt, but there is ambiguity of where the state representatives come from and who controls them.

We the people do have the power, but we will not use it.

 

I am not against this idea. But I worry about ulterior motives and any playbooks the left has to use a convention to their advantage. They have laws prewritten and ready to submit when a national crisis occurs and the political climate is good for the law to be submitted and passed.

I'm worried about the same thing here. That a playbook exists for a convention and what they do during that time to push some really terrible stuff.

Example - A convention is called. During said time a national tragedy occurs such as a school shooting. Emotionally vulnerable citizens and leaders start attacking the 2nd amendment and it gets repealed.


Has this been studied? Do we know what is likely to be brought to the table from varying states? I'm saying - Don't ask the question unless you already know what the answer will be.

If the research has been done and we know about any playbooks and agendas and how to counter them and any media attacks then go for it.

This^ they need to follow the Constitution, not screw with it.

Yes, the proposals that are likely to be brought to the table are: a balanced budget amendment, term limits for reps. and senators, and term limits for federal judges. Other possibilities are outlined in Mark Levin's book. The Bill of Rights is not on the table and any proposed amendment would need to be ratified by 38 states.

My family is to large, so I'm not running, but your posts have been dead on unfortunately