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Posted: 10/29/2014 2:11:11 PM EDT
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Dow down 60 since 12
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Posted: 10/29/2014 2:12:19 PM EDT
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They gave up. Its like fighting a wildfire with a kids sand rake
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Posted: 10/29/2014 2:12:28 PM EDT
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Pre-election propaganda?
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Posted: 10/29/2014 2:16:16 PM EDT
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Pre-election propaganda? Isn't that part of their job? |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 2:17:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2014 2:18:11 PM EDT
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Lol tow line snapped
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Posted: 10/29/2014 2:19:23 PM EDT
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Lol, inflation is under 2%?
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Posted: 10/29/2014 2:45:58 PM EDT
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Well, the fact that the Market didn't crash, is a positive, Right?
The Smart Money believes : 1. QE isn't needed, or 2. It isn't really going to end. Which is it? |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 2:48:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, inflation is under 2%? Sure, if you exclude energy, food, and virtually everything else that people buy on a regular basis. iPad's and flat screen TV's are the benchmark now.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 2:50:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2014 3:00:58 PM EDT
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The only reason why they stopped buying govt debt is because the is enough demand from other buyers, mostly because the EU economy is worse. When it swaps again, the fed will again be buying us govt debt.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 3:16:24 PM EDT
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The only reason why they stopped buying govt debt is because the is enough demand from other buyers, mostly because the EU economy is worse. When it swaps again, the fed will again be buying us govt debt. Aaaahhhsssooooooo. Thanks. That makes a lot of sense. You pretty smart for a pilot. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 3:40:50 PM EDT
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Aaaahhhsssooooooo. Thanks. That makes a lot of sense. You pretty smart for a pilot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The only reason why they stopped buying govt debt is because the is enough demand from other buyers, mostly because the EU economy is worse. When it swaps again, the fed will again be buying us govt debt. Aaaahhhsssooooooo. Thanks. That makes a lot of sense. You pretty smart for a pilot. my wife told me to post that. 
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Posted: 10/29/2014 3:43:33 PM EDT
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my wife told me to post that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The only reason why they stopped buying govt debt is because the is enough demand from other buyers, mostly because the EU economy is worse. When it swaps again, the fed will again be buying us govt debt. Aaaahhhsssooooooo. Thanks. That makes a lot of sense. You pretty smart for a pilot. my wife told me to post that. Wifes not a F/A? |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 3:45:59 PM EDT
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Obama is trying to crash the economy, but it will actually improve as he loses power.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 3:47:56 PM EDT
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The Beast!!! Quote HistoryStill one of the best coasters out there. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 3:55:18 PM EDT
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my wife told me to post that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The only reason why they stopped buying govt debt is because the is enough demand from other buyers, mostly because the EU economy is worse. When it swaps again, the fed will again be buying us govt debt. Aaaahhhsssooooooo. Thanks. That makes a lot of sense. You pretty smart for a pilot. my wife told me to post that. Possibly on the Long term stuff but the demand for the 5 year auction today was pretty anemic. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:16:26 PM EDT
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Wifes not a F/A? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The only reason why they stopped buying govt debt is because the is enough demand from other buyers, mostly because the EU economy is worse. When it swaps again, the fed will again be buying us govt debt. Aaaahhhsssooooooo. Thanks. That makes a lot of sense. You pretty smart for a pilot. my wife told me to post that. Wifes not a F/A? no but I was just kidding. I am out bow hunting deer playing economist. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:37:09 PM EDT
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LOL no but I was just kidding. I am out bow hunting deer playing economist. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The only reason why they stopped buying govt debt is because the is enough demand from other buyers, mostly because the EU economy is worse. When it swaps again, the fed will again be buying us govt debt. Aaaahhhsssooooooo. Thanks. That makes a lot of sense. You pretty smart for a pilot. my wife told me to post that. Wifes not a F/A? no but I was just kidding. I am out bow hunting deer playing economist. nice, I wish I could be out fishing and playing economist. But I am here at work listening to economist . 
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:55:53 PM EDT
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Lol, inflation is under 2%? of course it is, I'm sure the new "tweaked" calculations show less than 2% INF |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 5:04:10 PM EDT
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LOL this shit has to be bullshit otherwise the market would have dropped like a prom dress after a bottle of Boone's Farm.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 5:04:39 PM EDT
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of course it is, I'm sure the new "tweaked" calculations show less than 2% INF Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol, inflation is under 2%? of course it is, I'm sure the new "tweaked" calculations show less than 2% INF considering curde and RBOB has fallen like a rock recently, I would think that number is fairly accurate. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 5:05:22 PM EDT
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LOL this shit has to be bullshit otherwise the market would have dropped like a prom dress after a bottle of Boone's Farm. This has been priced in for a while now I imagine. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 5:08:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, the fact that the Market didn't crash, is a positive, Right? The Smart Money believes : 1. QE isn't needed, or 2. It isn't really going to end. Which is it? #2. for $10,000,000, Alex. The Fed will keep buying. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 5:11:00 PM EDT
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I have repeatedly been assured by the doomers on ARFCOM that
(a) the Fed would NEVER end quantitative easing and bond purchases (b) if they ever actually did, the economy would completely and utterly collapse and everything would unravel I guess the total catastrophic economic collapse is right around the corner, maybe some time next year - just like it has been since 2008, and will continue to be indefinitely. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 5:11:34 PM EDT
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The Federal Reserve on Wednesday ended its monthly bond purchase program and signaled confidence the U.S. economic recovery would remain on track despite signs of a slowdown in many parts of the global economy. "The Committee continues to see sufficient underlying strength in the broader economy to support ongoing progress toward maximum employment in a context of price stability," the central bank's policy committee said in a statement following a two-day meeting. The Fed pointed to strengthening labor markets, saying that slack in labor markets was "gradually diminishing." It retained its basic language regarding interest rates from recent statements, saying that rates would remain low for a "considerable time" following the end of the bond purchases this month. The timing and pace of rate hikes would depend on incoming economic data, the Fed said, new language that apparently earned the support of Philadelphia Fed President Charles Plosser and Dallas Fed President Richard Fisher, who dissented at the previous meeting. On inflation, the Fed acknowledged that lower energy prices and other forces were holding inflation down, but that overall the economy should progress toward the central bank's 2 percent target. "The Committee judges that the likelihood of inflation running persistently below 2 percent has diminished somewhat since early this year," the statement said. LINK pefect timing to give the Republicans no economy to work with. Interest rates will rise now that the fed is not going to sit n them. PERFECT! |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 5:11:44 PM EDT
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This has been priced in for a while now I imagine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOL this shit has to be bullshit otherwise the market would have dropped like a prom dress after a bottle of Boone's Farm. This has been priced in for a while now I imagine. Of course it has. They have been slowly tapering off, and reducing the QE purchases for a long time now. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 5:13:25 PM EDT
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OR..... the banks are sufficiently capitalized, equities are overbought and the banks signaled that they are about to start pushing money into the actual economy.
That would force the Fed to get ahead of the implied inflation of the trillions of dollars they've created coming out to play instead of being used to make banks look solvent. OR... the rest of the world's QE programs are going to shit and foreign investors are buying US Bonds just to try to maintain value instead of losing value in their home nations. OR.... in an effort to force speculators to cover long positions on the market (crude mainly) the Fed announces this so that commodities prices fall along with the rest of the market index thereby putting more pressure on Russia and Syria while the Saudi's keep pumping out cheap oil to do their part in destroying not only religious enemies but economic threats as well (Russia and Shale oil plays). OR... The Fed found out that I finally started an IRA last week and are determined to fuck me.  |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 5:26:54 PM EDT
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I have repeatedly been assured by the doomers on ARFCOM that (a) the Fed would NEVER end quantitative easing and bond purchases (b) if they ever actually did, the economy would completely and utterly collapse and everything would unravel I guess the total catastrophic economic collapse is right around the corner, maybe some time next year - just like it has been since 2008, and will continue to be indefinitely. You didn't actually say Anything. Is Q/E really over, and can the Economy sustain itself? Are interest rates going to float up in accordance with the law of supply and demand? How soon and how much? Iyho. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 5:38:08 PM EDT
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I have repeatedly been assured by the doomers on ARFCOM that (a) the Fed would NEVER end quantitative easing and bond purchases (b) if they ever actually did, the economy would completely and utterly collapse and everything would unravel I guess the total catastrophic economic collapse is right around the corner, maybe some time next year - just like it has been since 2008, and will continue to be indefinitely. No no no, THIS time it will collapse now that all of the phony money is no longer being printed by the feds! Christmas time for sure! Wall street is way too addicted to easy money! Meanwhile the market will continue to grow, then several years down the road the stock market will grow too big in comparison to earnings as it always does and start a new correction right when they finally decide to buy at the top. Money will be lost. That's when they will swoop in and say I told you so, thus continuing the perpetual doom and gloom cycle coupled with validation when they buy at the top and sell during the sell off losing money, and "proving" that the markets are a scam. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 5:39:01 PM EDT
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Let me guess...printer broke?
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Posted: 10/29/2014 5:40:33 PM EDT
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I have repeatedly been assured by the doomers on ARFCOM that (a) the Fed would NEVER end quantitative easing and bond purchases (b) if they ever actually did, the economy would completely and utterly collapse and everything would unravel I guess the total catastrophic economic collapse is right around the corner, maybe some time next year - just like it has been since 2008, and will continue to be indefinitely. just like peak oil |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 7:03:31 PM EDT
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They gave up. Its like fighting a wildfire with a kids sand rake Actually, we use the little rakes all the time. They're super handy for cleaning the duff out of rocky areas. 
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Posted: 10/29/2014 7:06:11 PM EDT
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Dow down 60 since 12 But it is UP nearly 900 points from the "Dow Is Crashing" threads from a couple of weeks ago. I'll pay attention the Doom & Gloom threads when the Dow shrinks past 14,000. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 8:34:13 PM EDT
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Do people here really think the fed is not propping up the markets by buying in the markets to keep them up?
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Posted: 10/29/2014 8:37:37 PM EDT
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This thread produces all the lulz I knew it would.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 8:45:35 PM EDT
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I'm just sittin up here in da woods
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Posted: 10/29/2014 8:47:43 PM EDT
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Do people here really think the fed is not propping up the markets by buying in the markets to keep them up? It would be silly of them to do that for the stock market. There really is not other place to put your money to grow it (real estate still hasn't recovered and Govt savings bonds are near useless). |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 8:56:21 PM EDT
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It would be silly of them to do that for the stock market. There really is not other place to put your money to grow it (real estate still hasn't recovered and Govt savings bonds are near useless). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do people here really think the fed is not propping up the markets by buying in the markets to keep them up? It would be silly of them to do that for the stock market. There really is not other place to put your money to grow it (real estate still hasn't recovered and Govt savings bonds are near useless). A lot of major financial people think it might be happening. Articles are all over the place. They print the money, don't report how much they create anymore (M3), can invest in anything they want, and never get audited. Your reason is exactly why they would do it. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:11:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually, we use the little rakes all the time. They're super handy for cleaning the duff out of rocky areas. http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac180/AssSupt/Fire/5d8d3e3456f491516ffc32bc86681b4c_zps8864b514.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They gave up. Its like fighting a wildfire with a kids sand rake Actually, we use the little rakes all the time. They're super handy for cleaning the duff out of rocky areas. http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac180/AssSupt/Fire/5d8d3e3456f491516ffc32bc86681b4c_zps8864b514.jpg We use the little guys to clean out between shrubs in people's yard.  |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:12:49 PM EDT
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the front fell off
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:22:55 PM EDT
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Let's see.
At 0% interest of 17T = 17T Let say 3% = 17.51T So 510B in interest. How can they afford to raise rates on themselves? |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:24:35 PM EDT
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Actually, we use the little rakes all the time. They're super handy for cleaning the duff out of rocky areas.
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They gave up. Its like fighting a wildfire with a kids sand rake Actually, we use the little rakes all the time. They're super handy for cleaning the duff out of rocky areas.
http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac180/AssSupt/Fire/5d8d3e3456f491516ffc32bc86681b4c_zps8864b514.jpg Are they made of plastic tho |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:29:52 PM EDT
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... may be in the minority here, but the market has been very good to my portfolio over the past three years
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:36:25 PM EDT
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the end of QE has been baked in for a year
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:41:13 PM EDT
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They gave up. Its like fighting a wildfire with a kids sand rake Actually, we use the little rakes all the time. They're super handy for cleaning the duff out of rocky areas.
http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac180/AssSupt/Fire/5d8d3e3456f491516ffc32bc86681b4c_zps8864b514.jpg Are they made of plastic tho We use the plastic ones as well. But, some folks prefer the metal tined versions as they work better for toasting your sandwich over a bed of coals with.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:22:53 AM EDT
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... may be in the minority here, but the market has been very good to my portfolio over the past three years You shouldn't be, if you didn't make money in the past 3 years. You have no sympathy from me. LOLz at the PM bugs. 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:34:15 AM EDT
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You didn't actually say Anything. Is Q/E really over, and can the Economy sustain itself? Are interest rates going to float up in accordance with the law of supply and demand? How soon and how much? Iyho. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have repeatedly been assured by the doomers on ARFCOM that (a) the Fed would NEVER end quantitative easing and bond purchases (b) if they ever actually did, the economy would completely and utterly collapse and everything would unravel I guess the total catastrophic economic collapse is right around the corner, maybe some time next year - just like it has been since 2008, and will continue to be indefinitely. You didn't actually say Anything. Is Q/E really over, and can the Economy sustain itself? Are interest rates going to float up in accordance with the law of supply and demand? How soon and how much? Iyho. 
I wasn't making any predictions or claims. I was merely pointing out that the Fed has been reducing QE steadily for a long time now, and has finally ended it - and NONE of the hysterical (and confident) predictions of various doomers on arfcom about what would happen if the Fed ended QE have come true. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:08:59 PM EDT
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I wasn't making any predictions or claims. I was merely pointing out that the Fed has been reducing QE steadily for a long time now, and has finally ended it - and NONE of the hysterical (and confident) predictions of various doomers on arfcom about what would happen if the Fed ended QE have come true. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have repeatedly been assured by the doomers on ARFCOM that (a) the Fed would NEVER end quantitative easing and bond purchases (b) if they ever actually did, the economy would completely and utterly collapse and everything would unravel I guess the total catastrophic economic collapse is right around the corner, maybe some time next year - just like it has been since 2008, and will continue to be indefinitely. You didn't actually say Anything. Is Q/E really over, and can the Economy sustain itself? Are interest rates going to float up in accordance with the law of supply and demand? How soon and how much? Iyho.
I wasn't making any predictions or claims. I was merely pointing out that the Fed has been reducing QE steadily for a long time now, and has finally ended it - and NONE of the hysterical (and confident) predictions of various doomers on arfcom about what would happen if the Fed ended QE have come true. That's because all of them are PM bugs and are pissed they lost their asses. Not only that but GD isn't exactly full of Economist. As far as Bill of Rights comment about rates, did you see the 5 year auction Tuesday? Demand was anemic. Keep in mind there are short term rates, intermediate term rates and long term rates. Each affect financial instruments differently. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:08:54 AM EDT
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Japan just announced the commencement of a large QE policy with the intended goal of boosting the NIKKEI into the green for the year. The result was japanese investment firms dropping Japanese gov bonds from 60% of their portfolios to 35% and increasing their exposure of US gov bonds from 15% to 25%
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