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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:35:47 AM EDT
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I'm a Lutheran and I like this guy.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:41:26 AM EDT
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As the Pontiff, he is allowed to pontificate.
This thread will surely lead to peace, love, and mutual understanding. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:42:51 AM EDT
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Whats next, Pope? Christ didn't rise from the dead?
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:43:09 AM EDT
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As the Pontiff, he is allowed to pontificate. This thread will surely lead to peace, love, and mutual understanding. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:44:39 AM EDT
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I like what this Pope is saying, but I’ve always said and still maintain that religion and science are not compatible.
Religion will continue to mold its interpretation of religious texts/teaching to fit with current scientific discoveries, but it will never be the other way around. No matter how far science progresses, “God” will never be the answer. Therefore, the two will always be in conflict with one another, and thus, not compatible. In my opinion of course…… |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:45:28 AM EDT
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What kind of Pope is that guy? I mean he was doing alright in my book by the Islam thing, but this? Is he a scientist? A social scientist?
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:45:32 AM EDT
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This has been the official position for a very long time. In fact catholics came up with the idea of the big bang and evolution long before secular scientists did.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:45:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whats next, Pope? Christ didn't rise from the dead? Maybe a greater understanding of how our world actually works has left us less reliant on the fables, folklore and mythologies of ancient tribesmen. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:46:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This has been the official position for a very long time. In fact catholics came up with the idea of the big bang and evolution long before secular scientists did. In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:47:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whats next, Pope? Christ didn't rise from the dead? Derp.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:47:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This has been the official position for a very long time. In fact Catholics came up with the idea of the big bang and evolution long before secular scientists did. Care to cite that little nugget in red? |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:48:53 AM EDT
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Whats next, Pope? Christ didn't rise from the dead? The basis on which we're supposed to believe in God is wrong, but we're still supposed to believe there's a God. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:49:36 AM EDT
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This has been the official position for a very long time. In fact Catholics came up with the idea of the big bang and evolution long before secular scientists did. Care to cite that little nugget in red? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre This chap had some notions on evolution by design, but there were earlier Greek philosophers who had opined on the notion of evolution of life without a creator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Aquinas |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:50:22 AM EDT
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I'm a Lutheran and I like this guy. Lutherans have believed the same thing for many years. In fact most Christians believe that God created the Heavens and the Earth and He did it according to the Laws of Physics and in an orderly manner. That includes evolution and everything else that we know of. Just because one clown a few hundred years ago tried to determine the age of the earth by counting the generations described in the Bible doesn't mean everybody believes it. It good to see our Catholic brothers and sisters finally getting on the bandwagon. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:50:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:50:35 AM EDT
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Yup. In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This has been the official position for a very long time. In fact catholics came up with the idea of the big bang and evolution long before secular scientists did. Yup. In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution. Or you could take it all the way back to freakin' St. Augustine in the late 4th and early 5th century. (ETA: Gregor Mendel, the father of genetics, was an Augustinian friar) I'm entertained by all the people who keep saying "ZOMG Pope Francis said something and I like, therefor it it must be new thinking!" |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:50:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This has been the official position for a very long time. In fact catholics came up with the idea of the big bang and evolution long before secular scientists did. In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution. He's not saying Catholics agreed to evolution and the big bang theory, he's saying Catholics came up with those ideas. And....he's also wrong. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:50:56 AM EDT
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Hasn't the Catholic church accepted evolution and the big bang for quite some time now?
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:51:43 AM EDT
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I always enjoy watching the surprised reactions when the Pope explains what has been long-standing Catholic doctrine.
As it turns out, the Pope is indeed Catholic. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:52:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This has been the official position for a very long time. In fact Catholics came up with the idea of the big bang and evolution long before secular scientists did. Care to cite that little nugget in red? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre Circa 1859.... Catholics did not come up with the idea of evolution, nor did they come up with the big bang theory. That's freakin' absurd. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:52:17 AM EDT
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This has been the official position for a very long time. In fact Catholics came up with the idea of the big bang and evolution long before secular scientists did. Care to cite that little nugget in red? Georges Lemaitre 1931, Google is your friend 
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:53:36 AM EDT
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I am to the point that I don't even really want to follow the link. The Catholic Church has long followed the belief of the prime mover (Gods plan and started by God - God spoke it and it happened) is a necessary belief - but how God accomplished it (Big Bang and Evolution) are optional and up to the believer. I seriously doubt this changed. This is very Jesuit - Studying a creation teaches you about the Creator.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:53:38 AM EDT
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I like what this Pope is saying, but I’ve always said and still maintain that religion and science are not compatible. Religion will continue to mold its interpretation of religious texts/teaching to fit with current scientific discoveries, but it will never be the other way around. No matter how far science progresses, “God” will never be the answer. Therefore, the two will always be in conflict with one another, and thus, not compatible. In my opinion of course…… Ultimately Science does reach the point where it has to acknowledge its own limitations, there are limits in mathematics, physics etc where you simply can not get any more answers from them. Beyond materialism you run into the arena's of philosophy (epistemology, ontology) and eventually faith. A well rounded thinker needs to be able to marshal all of the domains of thought, materialism will only get you so far, the how will only get you so far, eventually you do end up in the domain of the "Why". SO to answer your statement, there are questions in mathematics and science where "God" may not be the answer... but there is a sign on the door saying "Science can not answer this question". (Examples being whether or not a continuum of infinities exists between the infinity of rational and irrational numbers, and creating an elementary arithmetic system which is both consistent and complete as per Gödel) |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:54:01 AM EDT
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This has been the official position for a very long time. In fact Catholics came up with the idea of the big bang and evolution long before secular scientists did. Care to cite that little nugget in red? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre Circa 1859.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Species And exactly how does Charles Darwin have anything to do with the Big Bang? ETA: And note Aquinas's thoughts on natural processes: "Hence, it is clear that nature is nothing but a certain kind of art, i.e., the divine art, impressed upon things, by which these things are moved to a determinate end. It is as if the shipbuilder were able to give to timbers that by which they would move themselves to take the form of a ship." |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:54:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Georges Lemaitre 1931, Google is your friend Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This has been the official position for a very long time. In fact Catholics came up with the idea of the big bang and evolution long before secular scientists did. Care to cite that little nugget in red? Georges Lemaitre 1931, Google is your friend Charles Darwin circa 1859.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:55:17 AM EDT
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He just lost his free pass to the Creation Museum
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:55:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And exactly how does Charles Darwin have anything to do with the Big Bang? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This has been the official position for a very long time. In fact Catholics came up with the idea of the big bang and evolution long before secular scientists did. Care to cite that little nugget in red? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre Circa 1859.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Species And exactly how does Charles Darwin have anything to do with the Big Bang? If you read the post I quoted...in its entirety...as in both sentences, I believe evolution is stated fairly clearly.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:55:40 AM EDT
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Prepare yourself for a new state religion.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:55:44 AM EDT
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This has been the official position for a very long time. In fact Catholics came up with the idea of the big bang and evolution long before secular scientists did. Care to cite that little nugget in red? Georges Lemaitre 1931, Google is your friend  selective research. Never seen this dun befo.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:55:49 AM EDT
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God created all... including the laws of science and physics. God could have created everything through the big bang.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:57:58 AM EDT
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Big Bang and intelligent design are not mutually exclusive, in fact it is far more of a stretch to consider big bang happened all by itself. Second law of thermodynamics and all that.
As far as evolution goes, while Darwin was right about natural selection and other theories, he openly admitted he was wrong about many things concerning the evolution of man, that he made assumptions that could never be proven, a fact evolutionists don't like to admit. Read the book "Darwin's Doubt." It will open your eyes as to what Darwin actually believed. Evolution of man from primates is far from proven feasible, actually quite the opposite is true. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:58:58 AM EDT
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What an absolute fool !!!!!
It's a case of the pupil trying to lecture the professor. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:59:33 AM EDT
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"Molding a human out of clay" and guided (but seemingly random) evolution seems to be a very good metaphor to me. As a species evolves, the changes and refinements would resemble a sculptor refining a creation over time.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:59:40 AM EDT
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Anti-Catholics tend to forget we have a pretty long history of founding Universities and promoting Science. They will point out how we censored science - but it was not because the Church felt the science was wrong - but because the Church understood that the uneducated masses were not prepared for it. Quite honestly - that is still often the case.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:59:52 AM EDT
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That will put some knickers into a twist around here.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:59:56 AM EDT
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“He (God) created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfillment." “Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve.” In line with what I learned. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 11:01:15 AM EDT
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Hasn't the Catholic church accepted evolution and the big bang for quite some time now? It has. But the GD experts here don't need that tidbit of info/fact. Catholocism teaches that science and Christianity compliment each other. The two stories in the book of Genesis that cover the creation story are merely stories trying to explain the unexplainable. Stories from the New Testament are much newer and have less issues with the differences in translations. Catholic means universal. It's the oldest Christian religion; as such it's been around long enough to make alot of mistakes. It's also gained wisdom in that time and eventually gets it right (Galilleo comes to mind here). 
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Posted: 10/28/2014 11:03:42 AM EDT
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I like what this Pope is saying, but I’ve always said and still maintain that religion and science are not compatible. Religion will continue to mold its interpretation of religious texts/teaching to fit with current scientific discoveries, but it will never be the other way around. No matter how far science progresses, “God” will never be the answer. Therefore, the two will always be in conflict with one another, and thus, not compatible. In my opinion of course…… Science and religion are very compatible and there have been some very great scientific minds who were religious. As long as religion remains on the philosophical side and discusses the question of "why," and science discusses the question of "how," there is no conflict. If one believes that God created an ordered universe run by natural laws of his design, one can accept that evolution is one of those laws. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 11:04:37 AM EDT
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Another evolution thread, where the same arguments get said, the same people get butthurt, rinse and repeat tomorrow.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 11:05:14 AM EDT
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Circa 1859.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Species Catholics did not come up with the idea of evolution, nor did they come up with the big bang theory. That's freakin' absurd. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This has been the official position for a very long time. In fact Catholics came up with the idea of the big bang and evolution long before secular scientists did. Care to cite that little nugget in red? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre Circa 1859.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Species Catholics did not come up with the idea of evolution, nor did they come up with the big bang theory. That's freakin' absurd. Uh, Aquinas put out similar ideas long before Darwin went out and gathered the supporting evidence. Darwin was not even the first person to postulate "Darwinism" in the modern era. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 11:05:16 AM EDT
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Or you could take it all the way back to freakin' St. Augustine in the late 4th and early 5th century. (ETA: Gregor Mendel, the father of genetics, was an Augustinian friar) I'm entertained by all the people who keep saying "ZOMG Pope Francis said something and I like, therefor it it must be new thinking!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This has been the official position for a very long time. In fact catholics came up with the idea of the big bang and evolution long before secular scientists did. Yup. In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution. Or you could take it all the way back to freakin' St. Augustine in the late 4th and early 5th century. (ETA: Gregor Mendel, the father of genetics, was an Augustinian friar) I'm entertained by all the people who keep saying "ZOMG Pope Francis said something and I like, therefor it it must be new thinking!" The Catholics as a whole are not the Christians who have the issue with science. Go to one catholic mass and when communion time rolls around you will realize that we don't take things literally. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 11:05:21 AM EDT
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Anti-Catholics tend to forget we have a pretty long history of founding Universities and promoting Science. They will point out how we censored science - but it was not because the Church felt the science was wrong - but because the Church understood that the uneducated masses were not prepared for it. Quite honestly - that is still often the case. It was and is still wrong to do so. I have always maintained that the Roman Catholic church is as much a political organization as it is a church. The first century church does not give any precedent for anything like what the Vatican and all it's hierarchies has become, and the pope has no authority given to proclaim anything, nor has he ever had any except as given by man. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 11:07:14 AM EDT
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It was and is still wrong to do so. I have always maintained that the Roman Catholic church is as much a political organization as it is a church. The first century church does not give any precedent for anything like what the Vatican and all it's hierarchies has become, and the pope has no authority given to proclaim anything, nor has he ever had any except as given by man. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anti-Catholics tend to forget we have a pretty long history of founding Universities and promoting Science. They will point out how we censored science - but it was not because the Church felt the science was wrong - but because the Church understood that the uneducated masses were not prepared for it. Quite honestly - that is still often the case. It was and is still wrong to do so. I have always maintained that the Roman Catholic church is as much a political organization as it is a church. The first century church does not give any precedent for anything like what the Vatican and all it's hierarchies has become, and the pope has no authority given to proclaim anything, nor has he ever had any except as given by man. You over estimate the average persons intelligence. 
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Posted: 10/28/2014 11:07:53 AM EDT
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It was and is still wrong to do so. I have always maintained that the Roman Catholic church is as much a political organization as it is a church. The first century church does not give any precedent for anything like what the Vatican and all it's hierarchies has become, and the pope has no authority given to proclaim anything, nor has he ever had any except as given by man. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anti-Catholics tend to forget we have a pretty long history of founding Universities and promoting Science. They will point out how we censored science - but it was not because the Church felt the science was wrong - but because the Church understood that the uneducated masses were not prepared for it. Quite honestly - that is still often the case. It was and is still wrong to do so. I have always maintained that the Roman Catholic church is as much a political organization as it is a church. The first century church does not give any precedent for anything like what the Vatican and all it's hierarchies has become, and the pope has no authority given to proclaim anything, nor has he ever had any except as given by man. Great post.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 11:08:17 AM EDT
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I don't take advice from a dude in a funny hat. I find it funny some of you who think he is a fool do. Truth doesn't change due to opinion.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 11:08:59 AM EDT
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I'm a Lutheran and I like this guy. I like him except for when he decides to open his mouth in support of socialism. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 11:09:45 AM EDT
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Catholic means universal. It's the oldest Christian religion It most certainly is not. Christianity began with the teachings of Christ and the first century church, not a roman emperor's (Constantine) decrees in 312 AD. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 11:10:32 AM EDT
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Hasn't the Catholic church accepted evolution and the big bang for quite some time now? I know that's the case for evolution. I think it probably was for the Big Bang as well. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 11:10:37 AM EDT
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I've never thought religion and science were mutually exclusive.
Big Bang, to me, is "let there be light, and there was." It, actually, makes more sense to me than a standalone "Nobody+ Nothing = Everything" stance. Evolution may have been God "growing" man. Although evolution is missing many links... And everyone spouting time inconsistencies seems laughable to me. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 11:12:12 AM EDT
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I like him except for when he decides to open his mouth in support of socialism. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm a Lutheran and I like this guy. I like him except for when he decides to open his mouth in support of socialism. 
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