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Posted: 10/27/2014 12:53:18 PM EDT
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Get out and leave them to the Taliban.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 12:53:48 PM EDT
[#2]
This thread needs more Nicholas Cage
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Posted: 10/27/2014 12:55:13 PM EDT
[#3]
Wanna buy some ARVN ANA rifles? Never been fired, and only dropped once.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 12:55:18 PM EDT
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Get out and leave them to the Taliban. How many weeks before we see the Taliban at Camp Leatherneck? |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 12:58:08 PM EDT
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They need some sort of ideology to motivate them to kill anyone without remorse. Hmmmm................?
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Posted: 10/27/2014 12:58:53 PM EDT
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Should have set the whole place up to explode. Than when the maximum turban allotment has been reached inside BOOM!
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Posted: 10/27/2014 12:59:54 PM EDT
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They don't want a Disney World and McDonalds. They want to live in their tribal villages and keep doing the Mad Max way of life. We tell them "you'll be free" if you fight for your government, but all they see is corruption, inefficiency, and bullshit.
If you want people to fight and risk their lives you've got to give them more of a reason than a pay check. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 1:00:21 PM EDT
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Hey man, a guy could get killed if he gets shot at! Why endanger your goat-pleaser if an American will fight for you?
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Posted: 10/27/2014 1:01:05 PM EDT
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Get out and leave them to the Taliban. How many weeks before we see the Taliban at Camp Leatherneck? Weeks? Don't you mean days? |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 1:03:03 PM EDT
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How many weeks before we see the Taliban at Camp Leatherneck? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get out and leave them to the Taliban. How many weeks before we see the Taliban at Camp Leatherneck? If there are ANA there, you can bet that there are Taliban or sympathizers mixed in with them. My experience with ANA commandos, supposedly their best guys, was less than stellar. As in potentially fatal. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 1:03:31 PM EDT
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The Russians used to say the same thing. After 30 years of war anybody capable of being trained to fight is
A. already doing so, or B. Dead what you have now is the bottom of the barrel of Afghan society. Anyone who cant do anything else joins the Army as the only economic opportunity or simply tribal obligation. Most likely they are not worth a damn from the beginning anyway. Several people that have been there have told me the solution to the Afghanistan problem but nobody wants to hear it.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 1:03:48 PM EDT
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Get out and leave them to the Taliban. How many weeks before we see the Taliban at Camp Leatherneck? Weeks? Don't you mean days? It will take the Taliban to control Camp Leatherneck about as long as it takes for the ANA to strip the place of anything valuable they can sell. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 1:04:40 PM EDT
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The Russians used to say the same thing. After 30 years of war anybody capable of being trained to fight is A. already doing so, or B. Deadwhat you have now is the bottom of the barrel of Afghan society. Anyone who cant do anything else joins the Army as the only economic opportunity or simply tribal obligation. Most likely they are not worth a damn from the beginning anyway. Several people that have been there have told me the solution to the Afghanistan problem but nobody wants to hear it. What's the solution? |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 1:16:14 PM EDT
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The Russians used to say the same thing. After 30 years of war anybody capable of being trained to fight is A. already doing so, or B. Deadwhat you have now is the bottom of the barrel of Afghan society. Anyone who cant do anything else joins the Army as the only economic opportunity or simply tribal obligation. Most likely they are not worth a damn from the beginning anyway. Several people that have been there have told me the solution to the Afghanistan problem but nobody wants to hear it. What's the solution? Canned sunshine. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 1:19:42 PM EDT
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After watching video of uber-tactically decked out iraqi SF give up to isis at the drop of a hat, I'm not one tiny bit surprised by their afghani brethren.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 1:23:24 PM EDT
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It's a long book but I highly recommend reading The Outpost,about the establishment of,battle for and subsequent abandoning of COP Keating. It best explains the problems of the war in a nutshell.
The part most germane to this is that while Talibs had broken through the wire,occupied a portion of the COP and were on the verge of overwhelming the American platoon and 2 Latvian trainers,the ANA hid under bunks and upon discovery did not even move. Had the Balts been Taliban,they'd have been shot having given no resistance. Furthermore,when the tide of the battle turned,the Afghans only left their hiding places to ratfuck and loot from the Americans. The Latvians ended up having to search them before putting them on helos out of there presumably because the Soldiers would have rightfully beaten them. There was one - a single - Afghan mentioned manning an MG while the rest hid. When it comes down to it,I don't see the ANA performing much better than the Iraqis recently. My bet is that the Tajiks,Turkmen,Hazarra...will take their guns and go home. The only question is if the Pashtuns decide to replay the same game. If they don't attack,I think they're going to be left alone and the president of Afghanistan will effectively be mayor of Kabul. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 1:24:06 PM EDT
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How many weeks before we see the Taliban at Camp Leatherneck? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get out and leave them to the Taliban. How many weeks before we see the Taliban at Camp Leatherneck? Dig a hole. Add bombs. Leave. Tb show up move it set up training camp. Blow up bombs. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 2:27:37 PM EDT
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Advertise free sexy goat orgy. Dig a hole. Add bombs. Leave. Tb show up, move in to set up training camp goat-boy rape camp. Blow up bombs. $$$ Profit $$$ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get out and leave them to the Taliban. How many weeks before we see the Taliban at Camp Leatherneck? Advertise free sexy goat orgy. Dig a hole. Add bombs. Leave. Tb show up, move in to set up training camp goat-boy rape camp. Blow up bombs. $$$ Profit $$$ FIFY |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 2:30:31 PM EDT
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Que the Afghani soldiers doing Jumping Jacks.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 2:32:58 PM EDT
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Gee.
Hazaras led by Tajiks in Pashtoonistan don't feel like fighting? what a shocker! 
Stevie wonder saw this coming. But no army GOs did. Probably made all the posters that say, "Trust us" in Dari. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 2:33:58 PM EDT
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My bro who was infantry with 101st and current special forces says afghan commandos are better than US infantry.
I told him to kindly S my D Regular afghan troops are hit or miss ime. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 2:34:17 PM EDT
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How many weeks before we see the Taliban at Camp Leatherneck? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get out and leave them to the Taliban. How many weeks before we see the Taliban at Camp Leatherneck? the whole country will turn to shit ( even more if thats possible) it will make iraq look like disney land. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 2:35:31 PM EDT
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My bro who was infantry with 101st and current special forces says afghan commandos are better than US infantry. I told him to kindly S my D Regular afghan troops are hit or miss ime. Sure they are. right up until the point when the range becomes two way. The only thing they have better than US Infantry is gear. They will puss out like the rest of them without uncle sugar holding their hand. Everybody wants to be a commando, until its time to do some commando shit. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 2:51:14 PM EDT
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After watching video of uber-tactically decked out iraqi SF give up to isis at the drop of a hat, I'm not one tiny bit surprised by their afghani brethren. Link for the lulz....and tears 
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Posted: 10/27/2014 2:56:37 PM EDT
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My bro who was infantry with 101st and current special forces says afghan commandos are better than US infantry. I told him to kindly S my D Regular afghan troops are hit or miss ime. Tell your bro he can go talk with the one that tried to blow us up, fuck be upon him. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 3:01:20 PM EDT
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This thread needs more Nicholas Cage Came here to post this. This goes under the no shit Sherlock category. Inbred, backwards ass, uneducated, tribal goat fuckers, with no concept of national unity, and radical Islam thrown in, yeah if anyone is shocked they are not that smart. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 3:31:06 PM EDT
[#27]
Why are we fighting in Afghanistan now?
We already got Bin Laden years ago. He was the one responsible for 911. Obama already said that his goal was not to get rid of the Taliban and that they should have a voice in the Afghanistan government. If the end game was to assure that the Taliban would never have a country to operate out of to support Al Qaeda to attack America again then we have pretty much blown that mission, haven't we? At best Afghanistan will fare no better than Iraq. It will probably be worse and all those brave American that died over there will have died for nothing. Nowadays the US pretty well sucks at nation building, doesn't it? I guess we forgot how to do it after Germany, Japan and Korea, huh? |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 3:34:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gee. Hazaras led by Tajiks in Pashtoonistan don't feel like fighting? what a shocker! Stevie wonder saw this coming. But no army GOs did. Probably made all the posters that say, "Trust us" in Dari. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 3:36:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are we fighting in Afghanistan now? We already got Bin Laden years ago. He was the one responsible for 911. Obama already said that his goal was not to get rid of the Taliban and that they should have a voice in the Afghanistan government. If the end game was to assure that the Taliban would never have a country to operate out of to support Al Qaeda to attack America again then we have pretty much blown that mission, haven't we? At best Afghanistan will fare no better than Iraq. It will probably be worse and all those brave American that died over there will have died for nothing. Nowadays the US pretty well sucks at nation building, doesn't it? I guess we forgot how to do it after Germany, Japan and Korea, huh? |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 3:38:23 PM EDT
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Was expecting duffleblog article.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 3:48:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/27/2014 3:49:51 PM EDT
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These guys are dead they just don't know it
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Posted: 10/27/2014 3:50:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They need some sort of ideology to motivate them to kill anyone without remorse. Hmmmm................? |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 3:51:21 PM EDT
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Quote Historythat's confidence inspiring |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 3:54:57 PM EDT
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leave them to tend there sheep .
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What's the solution? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Russians used to say the same thing. After 30 years of war anybody capable of being trained to fight is A. already doing so, or B. Deadwhat you have now is the bottom of the barrel of Afghan society. Anyone who cant do anything else joins the Army as the only economic opportunity or simply tribal obligation. Most likely they are not worth a damn from the beginning anyway. Several people that have been there have told me the solution to the Afghanistan problem but nobody wants to hear it. What's the solution? |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 3:58:24 PM EDT
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It is not going to become a democracy in the middle of rocks when we leave . It is going to stay a rock strewn shithole
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Posted: 10/27/2014 3:59:52 PM EDT
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The Russians used to say the same thing. After 30 years of war anybody capable of being trained to fight is A. already doing so, or B. Deadwhat you have now is the bottom of the barrel of Afghan society. Anyone who cant do anything else joins the Army as the only economic opportunity or simply tribal obligation. Most likely they are not worth a damn from the beginning anyway. Several people that have been there have told me the solution to the Afghanistan problem but nobody wants to hear it. Very true, the ANA and ANP that we worked with were all weak willed cowards. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 4:01:20 PM EDT
[#38]
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Why are we fighting in Afghanistan now? We already got Bin Laden years ago. He was the one responsible for 911. Obama already said that his goal was not to get rid of the Taliban and that they should have a voice in the Afghanistan government. If the end game was to assure that the Taliban would never have a country to operate out of to support Al Qaeda to attack America again then we have pretty much blown that mission, haven't we? At best Afghanistan will fare no better than Iraq. It will probably be worse and all those brave American that died over there will have died for nothing. Nowadays the US pretty well sucks at nation building, doesn't it? I guess we forgot how to do it after Germany, Japan and Korea, huh? Nation building comes from within, not without. Germany, Korea, Japan - they were populated by Asians and Westerners, not Arabs. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 4:02:34 PM EDT
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I had the opportunity to work with ANA and Afghan civilians on the ground during my 1st deployment, then during my second I spent a shitload of time watching over US SF and ANA commandos while they did their thing.
Both times was like herding cats. I would say my experience with crème of the crop ANA commandos would put them on par with your average PVT straight out of basic in a US infantry unit. That is; when they are not planning to kill you (which we caught wind of a plan to do just that) There are some outstanding kickass dudes over there as well, but they are outnumbered 15:1 by guys who are so stupid it's a miracle they don't suffocate because they forget to breathe. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 4:06:33 PM EDT
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This should not come as a surprise to anyone. They'll fold to the Taliban quickly.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 4:07:59 PM EDT
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Why are we fighting in Afghanistan now? We already got Bin Laden years ago. He was the one responsible for 911. Obama already said that his goal was not to get rid of the Taliban and that they should have a voice in the Afghanistan government. If the end game was to assure that the Taliban would never have a country to operate out of to support Al Qaeda to attack America again then we have pretty much blown that mission, haven't we? At best Afghanistan will fare no better than Iraq. It will probably be worse and all those brave American that died over there will have died for nothing. Nowadays the US pretty well sucks at nation building, doesn't it? I guess we forgot how to do it after Germany, Japan and Korea, huh? Honest to fucking God, I'm so tired of hearing/reading this tripe I can't fucking stand it any more. They died for us. We asked them to go. We owe them our gratitude. To say they died for nothing is to spit upon their sacrifice. You should be ashamed. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 4:20:06 PM EDT
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I did not see this mentioned but watch "Camp Victory, Afghanistan" on netflix for an eye opener oh how much the standing Afgani army sucks
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Posted: 10/27/2014 4:28:59 PM EDT
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leave them to tend there sheep . Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Russians used to say the same thing. After 30 years of war anybody capable of being trained to fight is A. already doing so, or B. Deadwhat you have now is the bottom of the barrel of Afghan society. Anyone who cant do anything else joins the Army as the only economic opportunity or simply tribal obligation. Most likely they are not worth a damn from the beginning anyway. Several people that have been there have told me the solution to the Afghanistan problem but nobody wants to hear it. What's the solution? Give up the American goal of a multi ethnic multi religious democracy. Put Rashid Dostum in charge and provide air power and advisors for 24 months. QED Cut off air power if he gets to genocidal, keep back up warlord in the wings ready to go. While Dostum was ruling northern Afghanistan before the Taliban took over in 1998, women were able to go about unveiled, girls were allowed to go to school and study at the University of Balkh in Mazar-e-Sharif, cinemas showed Indian films and music played on television, activities which were all banned by the Taliban.[29]
He viewed the ISAF forces attempt to crush the Taliban as ineffective and has gone on record saying that he could mop up the Taliban "in six months"[2] if allowed to raise a 10,000 strong army of Afghan veterans.[2] Senior Afghan government officials do not trust Dostum as they are concerned that he might be secretly rearming his forces |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 4:36:06 PM EDT
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Put Sherzai back in charge of Kandahar.
He had that shit locked down until WE demanded he be removed in 2006 That was why AFghanistan fell apart. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 4:39:48 PM EDT
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The Russians used to say the same thing. After 30 years of war anybody capable of being trained to fight is A. already doing so, or B. Deadwhat you have now is the bottom of the barrel of Afghan society. Anyone who cant do anything else joins the Army as the only economic opportunity or simply tribal obligation. Most likely they are not worth a damn from the beginning anyway. Several people that have been there have told me the solution to the Afghanistan problem but nobody wants to hear it. What's the solution? Canned sunshine. I can dig it, any Neutron Bombs left in the inventory? |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 7:42:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: leave them to tend there sheep . Quote HistoryQuoted: leave them to tend there sheep . Quoted: Quoted: The Russians used to say the same thing. After 30 years of war anybody capable of being trained to fight is A. already doing so, or B. Deadwhat you have now is the bottom of the barrel of Afghan society. Anyone who cant do anything else joins the Army as the only economic opportunity or simply tribal obligation. Most likely they are not worth a damn from the beginning anyway. Several people that have been there have told me the solution to the Afghanistan problem but nobody wants to hear it. What's the solution? If we are not going to win these entanglements there is no sense in going.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:42:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote Historythat's confidence inspiring |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:46:35 PM EDT
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Put Sherzai back in charge of Kandahar. He had that shit locked down until WE demanded he be removed in 2006 That was why AFghanistan fell apart. Researching. ETA; From wiki Sherzai's capture of Kandahar in late 2001, with assistance from American special forces and Hamid Karzai, marked the first time territory in southern Afghanistan had been captured from the Taliban forces. According to Matthieu Aikins, writing in Harper's magazine Karzai appointed a Mullah Naqib to the Governorship of Kandarhar.[2] Aikins reported that American officials favored Sherzai over Karzai's choice, and encouraged him to oust Mullah Naqib. An on-the-ground witness, Sarah Chayes, has written a well documented account of Sherzai's warlord behavior following the U.S. invasion.[3] In August 2003, Afghan President Karzai decreed that officials could no longer hold both military and civil posts, and replaced Sherzai with Yousef Pashtun as Governor of Kandahar. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 8:48:38 PM EDT
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They need some sort of ideology to motivate them to kill anyone without remorse. Hmmmm................? Better change that to Jehovah's Witnesses. 
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:15:20 PM EDT
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3rd Group team?
Also, this can be a CAS thread. "Yet, the 180,00 Soldier Army cannot perform complex operations, such as close air support." A bit Ironic, given the context. |
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