Where have any modern examples of door to door searches and confiscations taken place outside of Katrina?  Did they sweep the whole city?  The police superintendent made an illegal decision.  Here's what came about because of theat:    "Louisiana legislator Steve Scalise introduced Louisiana House Bill 760, which would prohibit confiscation of firearms in a state of emergency, unless the seizure is pursuant to the investigation of a crime, or if the seizure is necessary to prevent immediate harm to the officer or another individual. On June 8, 2006, HB 760 was signed into law.[89] 21 other states joined Louisiana in enacting similar laws. A federal law prohibiting seizure of lawfully held firearms during an emergency, the Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006, passed in the House with a vote of 322 to 99, and in the Senate by 84-16. The bill was signed into law by President Bush on October 9, 2006.[90]" (source:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_government_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina#Confiscation_of_civilian_firearms)

My opinion and belief is no firearms should be confiscated or seized with the exception of those taken as evidence of a crime.  

I also realize that door to door gun searches and confiscation is a folly, a ruse and fools errand.  You cannot confiscate every firearm in any city, county or state with out everyone agreeing to turn them in.  It's that simple there is no amount of man power available that allow for a systematic and complete search of every public place, private space and all land in whatever area you decided to make gun free by confiscation.   And since you will not get those firearms from those who do not want to surrender them, all you are doing is making criminals out of those who fail to comply and run the real risk of sparking multiple armed confrontations over what is an unconstitutional and impossible goal.

Best type of trolling is staffer trolling.

Only other example I know of would be CA after their DOJ changed their mind on whether or not some gun or other was legal. Damned if I can remember the details on that one though, it was years ago.

I'm not saying door to door confiscation on a large scale is practical, or that it will happen. You're rebutting arguments I am not making.

I was merely pointing out that the contention that cops would never go door to door to confiscate guns was not born out by the actual record of what actually happens when actual cops are actually called on to do so.

Don't care if it is a "good read".  I'm not gonna say it...

I worry about small scale more than large scale.

What the superintendent ordered was without any legal authority, without a warrant, and unconstitutional.  That's pretty good grounds as a cop to say nope, not doing it.  Let them fire me for refusing, that will also force them to justify in writing how I failed to uphold my obligation to perform my legal duties.  Why the various cops and national guardsmen did it is beyond me.

You keep bringing the "it wasn't legal!" thing up like it bolsters your argument. It really doesn't.

Cops are just normal people. And most normal people, when put into stressful situations, just follow their orders. Humans are amazing rationalization machines, and there's always a reason. I think a lot of folks would be surprised how many people would do Clearly Wrong Things if pressed to do so.

*cough* Stanford Prison Experiment *cough*



 

TRG

I've worked two  "drive into a building" fatalties.  One a Chinese restaurant where an Expedition took out the  cashier inside.   Both were 30 YO white males that fell asleep.

Balko is a slobbering idiot.  You actually gave that goober money?

Transmission mount (something to do with controlling torque) broke, again.  Not too bad to get it fixed.  Rear suspension bushing all gone, not too pricey either.

Radiator was leaking (this is the second one in 4 years).

Little stuff, but, nothing major.

It tends to be about a grand a year in maintenance, but, fun to drive every day and still cheaper than a car payment.

TRG

No, my ass-less chaps make my mullet look amazing.

The IROC makes my gold chains look sexy.

TRG

Well from what I remember it was Members of the National Guard & out of State Cops that did most of it..........



 

I just want what the cops get. I want my rights back

The Power of the People in Charge & those below them just following orders..... I can understand the CHP Officers more than the Members of the Oklahoma National Guard.....



Then You have the Propaganda Machine of the Government.... When it gets done, the people that don't turn in their Guns will be the 2nd coming of Al Qaeda or ISIS........  



 

...........It's always the cops fault

Duh........




 
 

Another one...

Back problems?  High blood pressure? Urinary retention?  

Some of y'alls cycles have synchronized like motherfuckers.

As a Lt. with over 19 years of service I wish I made $110kish........my salary is $80,000.................Our Chief doesn't even make that........

In this case, I think it does bolster the argument somewhat.  It goes addressing legal duties and the performance of legal process.  When you are dealing with door to door confiscation, that is a action way beyond the norm and should trigger the question by anyone involved where is this order coming from and what legal authority or precedent gives us such authority?  I have enforced emergency laws or orders under similar circumstances (a direct hit by a hurricane).  The example I will use is the establishment of a dusk to dawn curfew.  That only came about after a state of emergency was declared and the local government voted to place the curfew into effect.  That did restrict people's freedom of movement.  But, the local conditions were such that there were unsafe streets (debris, some streets damaged or impassible, no street lighting, no functional traffic control, traffic signals, dead power lines and
cable /phone lines hanging in the road way), no power and no open businesses.  Add to that limited cases of property theft from damaged homes and businesses.  So while the restriction on travel was put in place, the argument could be made that liberties were restricted.  On the other hand what was the effect in light of the conditions and actual dangers present.  And again this was based on a decision made by elected representatives of the citizens under emergency conditions which was lifted within a week of the initial order.  I am in no way implying that a similar scenario should be used to execute gun confiscation, my point is every officer (and a few days later guardsman) knew what they were enforcing, had a copy of the curfew and knew where it came from.  The public were being advised of the same thing on radios and television.  

I agree "cops are just normal people"  and the statements that followed that sentence.  But, trying to rationalize something that you are about to do is often a sign that you are pushing the envelope in regards to what you are doing or are about to do.   It sucks, but as a cop you have to know what you are justified in doing.  For a cop, you would be expected, even when pressed, to act in a manner that is justified.  Sometimes that decision will have to be made immediately or in a few seconds.  Should a cop, or anyone else for that matter, be judged on the action they took in light of how much time they had to observe/detect what was going on and what was their action or re-action given that time frame?  Absolutely.  But in the Katrina gun confiscation incident, I cannot understand where the senior command staff/front line supervisors and the military chain of command were at between when this came down and was actually executed.

or, it's never the cops fault...

It's there, I copied part of it above....you just wish to ignore it..which is fine..but that is the difference between leo and other professions..we can and have been held both criminally and civilly  accountable for our actions..Every vehicle I touch  is done with an eye toward legal exposure for a reason, and I am sure many others here do the same in their field as well......

Lt here with over 19 years and I make under 50k.

Dude. Time for a career change.

You have a funny accent. never heard aboot that.


Eh?

Because, RADLEY BALKO.

LULZ

"Soory"

We don't have rights, we have powers, which you granted us. You, the citizen, have rights.

Which the politicians are taking away, right by right. We try to vote them out, but they give free stuff to jackasses
that don't care about anything except their free meal ticket. So they get re-elected.

Rather depressing, really.

Yet we are repeatedly told we are overpaid

Aye.

sure thing. whatever you say

Is LEOSA HR218 Nationwide CCW a Right or a Power?   Looks like a Right to Me......

 

You guys, the LEOs on this site do give me hope, however.

Well, except for maybe one in DC and one in Austin.