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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:41:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Themselves and their god science, which is odd since God created them both Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Try getting over it with prayer alone...!   Quoted: More proof Atheism is a religion in itself.  I'm agnostic now but grew up with many church going Baptists and Presbyterians , so I've done and seen a bit of worshiping .  |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:41:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anybody who has ever seen anyone battle a deadly disease (which includes a lot of people, considering how prevalent a killer cancer is) knows how vital it is to the patient's survival that they have a strong will to live. Now, I don't care if your strong motivation is because you desperately love your family, or if you believe in God, or if you just really don't want to miss the next season of Dancing with the Stars. Your will to fight is fucking huge, and I'm not going to play armchair philosopher over the intellectual value of what you hold dear. But, this is the internet, so some enlightened fuckwits will happily stroke each other off while pretending that prayer doesn't work for those who believe. I'm going with this. It's sciency.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:42:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:42:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do hear from them, they're the militant atheist/anti-theists. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think it's stupid for anyone to hate on her for it. I've always wondered though, why do people always praise God when they get over an illness / injury / someone they care about survives; but we never hear of anyone cursing him when he doesn't come through? Is it that "God works in mysterious ways" thing? I'm sure a lot of those Africans that died from it also prayed very hard to God. Why weren't they saved? You do hear from them, they're the militant atheist/anti-theists. Now that seems like an appropriate label |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:43:05 AM EDT
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God never made any promise to shield anyone including those who believe in Him from the consequences of a fallen world brought about by sin. He did promise to those who are His that they will never be alone while they deal with, suffer with, and travel through a world impacted by sin. God heals when He chooses to for His greater purposes most of which are only known to Him. He leaves it to us who have been plunged into the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ to trust Him which isn't hard to do when you see what He did for us in healing us of the greatest disease there is: the permanent consequences of sin which is spiritual death.
Sometimes He heals in a miraculous way. I know several folks over the years who were delivered from cancer right before they went under the knife and the doctors themselves had absolutely no explanation for it. I have also see fellow believers die painful excruciating physical deaths. "Yea though I walk THROUGH the shadow of death, I will fear no evil. (WHY?) For you, my great shepherd are WITH me." He didn't say "if" I walk through. He said "when". I walk through. God was with her as she walked through the shadow of death. He chose to allow her to live awhile longer. He didn't have to. But He did. And He used medicine to play a part in that for sure. One of His own disciples was a doctor. None of you who identify as atheists have enough information to say that God was not involved. You only can accurately say, "I don't see His involvement." But you can't say with complete knowledge, "There was NO involvement from God in this." You can say it if you want but it is an arrogant statement to make. God is not inclined to do a magic show for you to prove He exists. He already gave the proof of His word and purpose when Jesus rose from the dead. You really aren't rejecting God. You are rejecting the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Because if a dead man rose from the dead after being crucified, to believe in God and everything else He has said and promised is really not hard at all. Atheists don't reject God. They reject the resurrection of Jesus. Patrick |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:43:23 AM EDT
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Nina Pham needs to thank science not prayer. She's spitting in the face of the medical community that worked hard to save her life. #Ebola Twitter is the new DU |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:44:41 AM EDT
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Didn't pray, or was too far gone to pray. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess Thomas Duncan was praying wrong... or god is racist. What does the hive say? Didn't pray, or was too far gone to pray. His family said he prayed with them. I guess you will say now that he didn't say the right words to convince God to cure him? Duncan |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:44:58 AM EDT
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Atheists are fucking retards.... Not all of us. When my Christian friends pray for me I know they do it to express love. For that I am grateful. I give love back to them, just differently. I'll even offer them a ride to church if they need it. 
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:44:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Calling atheism a religion is an attempt to level the playing field, a feeble one - but an attempt none-the-less. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I understand why people cant stand the blowhards , on either side of the argument , but to call it a religion makes no sense . I dont see it being labeled a religion in my day to day goings-on , anywhere but here . Is it ?  (honest question )Calling atheism a religion is an attempt to level the playing field, a feeble one - but an attempt none-the-less. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:45:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: they have websites, leaders, a political agenda, news letters, organization and they have a goal of removing other religions in America much like Islam Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I understand why people cant stand the blowhards , on either side of the argument , but to call it a religion makes no sense . I dont see it being labeled a religion in my day to day goings-on , anywhere but here . Is it ? (honest question )Calling atheism a religion is an attempt to level the playing field, a feeble one - but an attempt none-the-less. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:46:24 AM EDT
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Father forgive them for they know not what they do...............one of the hardest things Jesus asked us to do was to pray for our enemies.
Personally, I don't understand why these people even care if she thought prayer helped her. I guess I'll have to pray for them too.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:46:51 AM EDT
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Even if God does not exist, the psychosomatic effects of prayer may be real. That is, belief in itself may have a curative effect, without regard to the objective truth (or not) behind such belief. Atheists are fools to deny the possibility of such things.
In other words, it never hurts to pray, as long as that's not a substitute for modern medicine. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:47:04 AM EDT
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Watch the Frontline story on Ebola in Sierra Leone. Those folks were praying their asses off. Does not matter. In Christianity, God is not a 'wish machine'. So the atheist's attack on prayer rings hollow. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:49:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: God never made any promise to shield anyone including those who believe in Him from the consequences of a fallen world brought about by sin. He did promise to those who are His that they will never be alone while they deal with, suffer with, and travel through a world impacted by sin. God heals when He chooses to for His greater purposes most of which are only known to Him. He leaves it to us who have been plunged into the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ to trust Him which isn't hard to do when you see what He did for us in healing us of the greatest disease there is: the permanent consequences of sin which is spiritual death. Sometimes He heals in a miraculous way. I know several folks over the years who were delivered from cancer right before they went under the knife and the doctors themselves had absolutely no explanation for it. I have also see fellow believers die painful excruciating physical deaths. "Yea though I walk THROUGH the shadow of death, I will fear no evil. (WHY?) For you, my great shepherd are WITH me." He didn't say "if" I walk through. He said "when". I walk through. God was with her as she walked through the shadow of death. He chose to allow her to live awhile longer. He didn't have to. But He did. And He used medicine to play a part in that for sure. One of His own disciples was a doctor. None of you who identify as atheists have enough information to say that God was not involved. You only can accurately say, "I don't see His involvement." But you can't say with complete knowledge, "There was NO involvement from God in this." You can say it if you want but it is an arrogant statement to make. God is not inclined to do a magic show for you to prove He exists. He already gave the proof of His word and purpose when Jesus rose from the dead. You really aren't rejecting God. You are rejecting the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Because if a dead man rose from the dead after being crucified, to believe in God and everything else He has said and promised is really not hard at all. Atheists don't reject God. They reject the resurrection of Jesus. Patrick Last I heard , that was the very foundation of this so-called 'religion' . . . . their rejection of all of religion's God's ..I thought that was the Jews ?  |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:49:34 AM EDT
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Now that seems like an appropriate label
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I think it's stupid for anyone to hate on her for it. I've always wondered though, why do people always praise God when they get over an illness / injury / someone they care about survives; but we never hear of anyone cursing him when he doesn't come through? Is it that "God works in mysterious ways" thing? I'm sure a lot of those Africans that died from it also prayed very hard to God. Why weren't they saved? You do hear from them, they're the militant atheist/anti-theists. Now that seems like an appropriate label
It's what they are...I know a couple atheists, I was one once. Most are good people who are respectful to everyone. It's the LOUD minority that gives them a bad name. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:50:08 AM EDT
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I'm having a good laugh at this thread.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:50:36 AM EDT
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Whatever. You shouldn't take social media so seriously. I'm an atheist and I don't give a fuck what she said, it's fine by me. I know what healed her and it wasn't prayer. However, I'm glad she pulled through and don't care what she says. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:51:13 AM EDT
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Atheists are fucking retards.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Atheists are fucking retards.... These certainly are... |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:54:54 AM EDT
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Tough sh*t for them then. She believed and it worked for her. That's all that counts. That and the plasma transfusions containing the antibodies.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:55:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: they have websites, leaders, a political agenda, news letters, organization and they have a goal of removing other religions in America much like Islam Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I understand why people cant stand the blowhards , on either side of the argument , but to call it a religion makes no sense . I dont see it being labeled a religion in my day to day goings-on , anywhere but here . Is it ? (honest question )Calling atheism a religion is an attempt to level the playing field, a feeble one - but an attempt none-the-less. I'm just content with the separation of Church and State . . . . with respect to religions overall . ..but dont get me going on islam |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:56:15 AM EDT
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Stand back ... I'm going to try SCIENCE!
Look prayer is just wonderful but when I've been shot I want to be taken to a trauma hospital not church. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:57:35 AM EDT
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Tough sh*t for them then. She believed and it worked for her. That's all that counts. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:57:43 AM EDT
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Stand back ... I'm going to try SCIENCE! Look prayer is just wonderful but when I've been shot I want to be taken to a trauma hospital not church. Who is arguing that? I've seen not one person say to stay away from hospitals, just go to church.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:58:08 AM EDT
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Try getting over it with prayer alone...! works for some. maybe not ebola, but other diseases. your response to them ? |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 9:59:09 AM EDT
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Stand back ... I'm going to try SCIENCE! Look prayer is just wonderful but when I've been shot I want to be taken to a trauma hospital not church. You wouldn't rather have a nice bloodletting instead? |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:00:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's what they are...I know a couple atheists, I was one once. Most are good people who are respectful to everyone. It's the LOUD minority that gives them a bad name. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think it's stupid for anyone to hate on her for it. I've always wondered though, why do people always praise God when they get over an illness / injury / someone they care about survives; but we never hear of anyone cursing him when he doesn't come through? Is it that "God works in mysterious ways" thing? I'm sure a lot of those Africans that died from it also prayed very hard to God. Why weren't they saved? You do hear from them, they're the militant atheist/anti-theists. Now that seems like an appropriate label It's what they are...I know a couple atheists, I was one once. Most are good people who are respectful to everyone. It's the LOUD minority that gives them a bad name. ...and I'm going to start using the phrase 'militant atheists' more often |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:03:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:...and I'm going to start using the phrase 'militant atheists' more often We prefer the title "atheist operator". 
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:05:39 AM EDT
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works for some. maybe not ebola, but other diseases. your response to them ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Try getting over it with prayer alone...! works for some. maybe not ebola, but other diseases. your response to them ? Scientific study on the "power" of prayer |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:06:31 AM EDT
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His family said he prayed with them. I guess you will say now that he didn't say the right words to convince God to cure him? Duncan Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess Thomas Duncan was praying wrong... or god is racist. What does the hive say? Didn't pray, or was too far gone to pray. His family said he prayed with them. I guess you will say now that he didn't say the right words to convince God to cure him? Duncan Him coming here and dying was the plan, not getting cured. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:08:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We prefer the title "atheist operator". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:...and I'm going to start using the phrase 'militant atheists' more often We prefer the title "atheist operator". |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:08:26 AM EDT
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God never made any promise to shield anyone including those who believe in Him from the consequences of a fallen world brought about by sin. He did promise to those who are His that they will never be alone while they deal with, suffer with, and travel through a world impacted by sin. God heals when He chooses to for His greater purposes most of which are only known to Him. He leaves it to us who have been plunged into the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ to trust Him which isn't hard to do when you see what He did for us in healing us of the greatest disease there is: the permanent consequences of sin which is spiritual death. Sometimes He heals in a miraculous way. I know several folks over the years who were delivered from cancer right before they went under the knife and the doctors themselves had absolutely no explanation for it. I have also see fellow believers die painful excruciating physical deaths. "Yea though I walk THROUGH the shadow of death, I will fear no evil. (WHY?) For you, my great shepherd are WITH me." He didn't say "if" I walk through. He said "when". I walk through. God was with her as she walked through the shadow of death. He chose to allow her to live awhile longer. He didn't have to. But He did. And He used medicine to play a part in that for sure. One of His own disciples was a doctor. None of you who identify as atheists have enough information to say that God was not involved. You only can accurately say, "I don't see His involvement." But you can't say with complete knowledge, "There was NO involvement from God in this." You can say it if you want but it is an arrogant statement to make. God is not inclined to do a magic show for you to prove He exists. He already gave the proof of His word and purpose when Jesus rose from the dead. You really aren't rejecting God. You are rejecting the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Because if a dead man rose from the dead after being crucified, to believe in God and everything else He has said and promised is really not hard at all. Atheists don't reject God. They reject the resurrection of Jesus. Patrick I knew Jews were atheists. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:09:47 AM EDT
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I predict a thread lock before page 3 4...
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:10:01 AM EDT
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Him coming here and dying was the plan, not getting cured. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess Thomas Duncan was praying wrong... or god is racist. What does the hive say? Didn't pray, or was too far gone to pray. His family said he prayed with them. I guess you will say now that he didn't say the right words to convince God to cure him? Duncan Him coming here and dying was the plan, not getting cured. God planned on him coming here to die? |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:10:07 AM EDT
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Meh. some people are perpetually butthurt about something. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:10:36 AM EDT
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I know plenty of atheists, none bat an eye about things like this. The atheists who capitalize Atheist and form groups and Atheist organizations and webgroups are the ones that "bat an eye." That's the entire point of being an annoying reactionary. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:12:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's what they are...I know a couple atheists, I was one once. Most are good people who are respectful to everyone. It's the LOUD minority that gives them a bad name. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think it's stupid for anyone to hate on her for it. I've always wondered though, why do people always praise God when they get over an illness / injury / someone they care about survives; but we never hear of anyone cursing him when he doesn't come through? Is it that "God works in mysterious ways" thing? I'm sure a lot of those Africans that died from it also prayed very hard to God. Why weren't they saved? You do hear from them, they're the militant atheist/anti-theists. Now that seems like an appropriate label It's what they are...I know a couple atheists, I was one once. Most are good people who are respectful to everyone. It's the LOUD minority that gives them a bad name. I've been using the term anti-theist for a while for the outspoken/vocal/hateful crowd. Most atheists I have worked with or known, I have had zero issue with. I respect their beliefs and they respect mine. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:12:25 AM EDT
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The atheists who capitalize Atheist and form groups and Atheist organizations and webgroups are the ones that "bat an eye." That's the entire point of being an annoying reactionary. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know plenty of atheists, none bat an eye about things like this. The atheists who capitalize Atheist and form groups and Atheist organizations and webgroups are the ones that "bat an eye." That's the entire point of being an annoying reactionary. Like the Republicans who mix religion and politics. One is annoying, the other is hurting us. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:12:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who is arguing that? I've seen not one person say to stay away from hospitals, just go to church. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Stand back ... I'm going to try SCIENCE! Look prayer is just wonderful but when I've been shot I want to be taken to a trauma hospital not church. Who is arguing that? I've seen not one person say to stay away from hospitals, just go to church. Its one or the other. You can either choose science or God. YOU MUST DENY THE OTHER ONE.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:13:12 AM EDT
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Atheists are fucking retards.... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Sweet attacks on members.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:14:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: works for some. maybe not ebola, but other diseases. your response to them ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Try getting over it with prayer alone...! works for some. maybe not ebola, but other diseases. your response to them ? Someday in the future we will be able to prove , scientifically , why whatever happened , happened . We are no wheres NEAR the end of our scientific research and development of damn near ANYTHING . . . . . let alone the human body . We have discovered countless explanations for crazy events over the years that were formerly dismissed as miracles , and I dont see any reason that that will cease any time soon  |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:15:18 AM EDT
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Calling atheism a religion is an attempt to level the playing field, a feeble one - but an attempt none-the-less. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I understand why people cant stand the blowhards , on either side of the argument , but to call it a religion makes no sense . I dont see it being labeled a religion in my day to day goings-on , anywhere but here . Is it ? (honest question )
Calling atheism a religion is an attempt to level the playing field, a feeble one - but an attempt none-the-less. Hmm let's look at one of the definitions of Religion. . . "a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance" If that doesn't describe a lot of the neck beards or militant atheists I don't know what does. You probably should follow the saying "better to remain silent and be thought a fool" now, well might not be able to put that genie back in the bottle for you. Believe what you want, I don't care, however, realize that arguing about "Faith" and the existence of a supreme being or not, is about as intelligent as arguing with your eggos while they are in the toaster. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:15:38 AM EDT
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Its one or the other. You can either choose science or God. YOU MUST DENY THE OTHER ONE. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Stand back ... I'm going to try SCIENCE! Look prayer is just wonderful but when I've been shot I want to be taken to a trauma hospital not church. Who is arguing that? I've seen not one person say to stay away from hospitals, just go to church. Its one or the other. You can either choose science or God. YOU MUST DENY THE OTHER ONE. That's where I was going with that...science or God peasant! |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:17:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:21:48 AM EDT
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I guess prayer only works for Americans.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:25:00 AM EDT
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Seethers gotta seethe. People who get outraged by other people seething gotta get outraged.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:26:35 AM EDT
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Seethers gotta seethe. People who get outraged by other people seething gotta get outraged. I think the only angry people are the militant atheists...they seem perpetually angry though, so no surprise. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:29:12 AM EDT
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Evangelical Atheists are assholes. When they're out there proselytizing (and acting just like Westboro nuts), it's fair to call it a religion. Worshipping nothing is still worshipping. (Atheism<>Evangelical Atheism.)
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:29:33 AM EDT
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just like the Taliban in Afghanistan that destroy any symbol of Religion the public arena they are doing the same here. Atheism is one of the most stupidest religions in the world "there is no god, therefore we must remove all symbols something that does not exist because it offends me and my religion" Dear God that is stupid I spend zero time thinking about the boogey man and if you had a painting or picture of what you thought was a boogey man and showed it to me I would say that is "that's nice, honey" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Atheists are fucking retards.... Lol What? Dear God that is stupid I spend zero time thinking about the boogey man and if you had a painting or picture of what you thought was a boogey man and showed it to me I would say that is "that's nice, honey" That's one hell of a broad brush you're paniting with. I see a very thin comparison, if any. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:30:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's where I was going with that...science or God peasant! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Stand back ... I'm going to try SCIENCE! Look prayer is just wonderful but when I've been shot I want to be taken to a trauma hospital not church. Who is arguing that? I've seen not one person say to stay away from hospitals, just go to church. Its one or the other. You can either choose science or God. YOU MUST DENY THE OTHER ONE. That's where I was going with that...science or God peasant!  |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 10:31:22 AM EDT
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I know plenty of atheists, none bat an eye about things like this. Shhhhh... You're ruining the opportunity for the resident Christians to hate non-believers. |
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