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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:11:23 PM EDT
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Loaded M14s:
The palace guards in Stockholm have loaded AK5s with Aimpoints and bayonets mounted ...a few years ago 2 guys dressed up like Santa attacked a guard and stole his. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:12:15 PM EDT
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It may be just me, but I've always felt having honor guards carry an unloaded rifle was an insult to what their guarding. Kinda like just for show, instead of actual respect and care. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:13:09 PM EDT
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There is a member here who is in the Old Guard. I believe he confirmed they are not loaded.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:13:39 PM EDT
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Given the fact that there is an armed police officer at the Tomb that they rely on for protection I would say no they aren't loaded.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:18:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It would be difficult to walk such a post in that manner and be alert for potential threats. Rifle loaded or not, they should have a security detail overwatch with the mission of keeping an eye on who comes and goes. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:24:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat a sadly beautiful yet powerful image. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:24:13 PM EDT
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We had a few Old Guard members here. They'd know. Im here and I know the answer but that's not something I'd post in an open forum. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:34:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Im here and I know the answer but that's not something I'd post in an open forum. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We had a few Old Guard members here. They'd know. Im here and I know the answer but that's not something I'd post in an open forum.  |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:43:24 PM EDT
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This is a trip, because back in the Pre-WW2 days, when Soldiers stood guard duty in their Class A service wools (with peaked service cap), there existed a pouch, specifically designed for the leather garrison belt, to hold ammunition in charger clips for the M1903 rifle. IIRC they were issued special "Guard loads" of low-velocity ammo, too.
So even when they were dressed up and standing out front with a rifle, they at least had some form of ammunition available, if not necessarily in the weapon. But I have no idea whether they carried rounds in the magazine. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:53:47 PM EDT
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Are you kidding me? Risk averse political flag officers. No way they'd let these heroes have live rounds.
When we first got to KAF, AFG they took our issued M-16's/M4's, locked them up in the armory (conex box). Then they made us all turn in our live rounds for M9's. We spent 7 mos on KAF carrying around a service pistol on our hips and 2 empty mags! I will say, I am medical, and our group of corpsmen, nurses, and doctors had at least one ND nearly every day while in Ft. Jackson in training - they gave us blanks and had to clear going into galley and classrooms all day. Same folks would go "bang" into the clearing barrel just about every day - you could literally just watch and wait for it. Needed a good old fashioned blanket party but too PC these days. I will not confirm nor deny that a few of us had our own live rounds and extra loaded mags, just in case. The green on blue attacks where happening all over AFG during this period. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:05:27 PM EDT
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Not loaded.
When you get guard in the States (ammo guard, whatever), you only get a 10rd mag anyways. And seeing how Arlington in Federal property, its also illegal for someone to "pack", even with a VA CCW. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:07:37 PM EDT
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I really, really doubt it. They do have the pig sticker though. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:07:40 PM EDT
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I don't know if they are currently loaded but I have a friend who was a guard and when he was doing that years ago his rifle had a full mag and empty chamber.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:11:11 PM EDT
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If they were loaded half of GD would cry because "Armed troops on American soil blah blah blah" 87 times..... Haha. So true. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:11:16 PM EDT
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I wonder if these are loaded? http://blogs.voanews.com/photos/files/2012/03/reuters_russia_honor_guard_02Mar12-878x643.jpg they don't need them loaded !!! terrorists know If you fuck with the Russians you WILL get your ass kicked !! unlike our so called leader Putin will do something .... |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:11:27 PM EDT
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It may be just me, but I've always felt having honor guards carry an unloaded rifle was an insult to what their guarding. Kinda like just for show, instead of actual respect and care. Of course I don't know for sure but I suspect that very few ceremonial guards in the world, if any, have loaded weapons. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:13:46 PM EDT
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they don't need them loaded !!! terrorists know If you fuck with the Russians you WILL get your ass kicked !! unlike our so called leader Putin will do something .... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if these are loaded? http://blogs.voanews.com/photos/files/2012/03/reuters_russia_honor_guard_02Mar12-878x643.jpg they don't need them loaded !!! terrorists know If you fuck with the Russians you WILL get your ass kicked !! unlike our so called leader Putin will do something .... Half of ARF would probably blow Putin if they had a chance to |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:13:48 PM EDT
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like the rest of Washington DC that is publicly accessible, it is all for show
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:16:02 PM EDT
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like the rest of Washington DC that is publicly accessible, it is all for show Arlington is in Virginia |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:16:31 PM EDT
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Tomb sentinels have been attacked in the past while walking their post. One was taken hotage at knifepoint back in the 80's.
I believe that ever since that incident there has been an armed NPS officer posted to the site during public hours. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:16:40 PM EDT
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What a sadly beautiful yet powerful image. Quote HistoryQuoted:
What a sadly beautiful yet powerful image. It was terribly dusty here. I think it's because the dog walked in after being outside and dragged in some pollen or something. Yeah that's it. Pollen.  
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:18:02 PM EDT
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I'm only here waiting on a reply from one poster, but this thread may not attract said poster's attention.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:20:13 PM EDT
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Half of ARF would probably blow Putin if they had a chance to Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if these are loaded? http://blogs.voanews.com/photos/files/2012/03/reuters_russia_honor_guard_02Mar12-878x643.jpg they don't need them loaded !!! terrorists know If you fuck with the Russians you WILL get your ass kicked !! unlike our so called leader Putin will do something .... Half of ARF would probably blow Putin if they had a chance to I don't think so !!! but you have to admit putin has waaay more balls then the halfrican coward we are stuck with as potus ... |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:20:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Guard is US Army The tomb guards are soldiers of the United States Army. The first military guards were troopers from the 3d Cavalry, "Brave Rifles", who were posted nearby on Fort Myer. Since April 6, 1948, (known then as "Army Day"), when the regiment was reactivated, it's been Soldiers from 3rd Infantry Regiment, "The Old Guard". The Old Guard is also posted to Fort Myer. It is considered one of the highest honors to serve as a Sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknowns. Fewer than 20 percent of all volunteers are accepted for training and of those only a fraction pass training to become full-fledged Tomb Guards. This attrition rate has made the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier Guard Identification Badge the second least-awarded decoration of the United States military (the first being the Astronaut Badge).[17] Wiki that shit yo Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Doubt it, but I believe there are other Marines close by ready to open a can of whoop ass if needed. The Guard is US Army The tomb guards are soldiers of the United States Army. The first military guards were troopers from the 3d Cavalry, "Brave Rifles", who were posted nearby on Fort Myer. Since April 6, 1948, (known then as "Army Day"), when the regiment was reactivated, it's been Soldiers from 3rd Infantry Regiment, "The Old Guard". The Old Guard is also posted to Fort Myer. It is considered one of the highest honors to serve as a Sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknowns. Fewer than 20 percent of all volunteers are accepted for training and of those only a fraction pass training to become full-fledged Tomb Guards. This attrition rate has made the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier Guard Identification Badge the second least-awarded decoration of the United States military (the first being the Astronaut Badge).[17] Wiki that shit yo Decoration, maybe. Probably fewer President's 100 tabs worn on uniforms (actually ranked HIGHER than the SF long tab in precedence). |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:21:27 PM EDT
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I don't think so !!! but you have to admit putin has waaay more balls then the halfrican coward we are stuck with as potus ... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if these are loaded? http://blogs.voanews.com/photos/files/2012/03/reuters_russia_honor_guard_02Mar12-878x643.jpg they don't need them loaded !!! terrorists know If you fuck with the Russians you WILL get your ass kicked !! unlike our so called leader Putin will do something .... Half of ARF would probably blow Putin if they had a chance to I don't think so !!! but you have to admit putin has waaay more balls then the halfrican coward we are stuck with as potus ... He is also a communist who doesn't give a fuck about his citizens. Given the choice between Obama and Putin, none of the above. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:23:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Arlington is in Virginia Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: like the rest of Washington DC that is publicly accessible, it is all for show Arlington is in Virginia close a fucking nuff |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:24:46 PM EDT
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yeah, just one stop on the blue line from DC close a fucking nuff Quote HistoryQuoted:
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like the rest of Washington DC that is publicly accessible, it is all for show Arlington is in Virginia close a fucking nuff 
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:28:49 PM EDT
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Cue the "when tomb guards attack" videos.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:30:52 PM EDT
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Someone I talked to a ways back mentioned the gas system was neutered so they were only single shot?
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:39:11 PM EDT
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Someone I talked to a ways back mentioned the gas system was neutered so they were only single shot? Why would they do that? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:40:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would they do that? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Someone I talked to a ways back mentioned the gas system was neutered so they were only single shot? Why would they do that? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:40:53 PM EDT
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Why would they do that? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Someone I talked to a ways back mentioned the gas system was neutered so they were only single shot? Why would they do that? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Ceremonial 21 gun salutes with blanks? |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:46:16 PM EDT
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Im here and I know the answer but that's not something I'd post in an open forum. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We had a few Old Guard members here. They'd know. Im here and I know the answer but that's not something I'd post in an open forum. Thank you for your service sir. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:48:14 PM EDT
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Arlington is in Virginia Quote HistoryQuoted:
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like the rest of Washington DC that is publicly accessible, it is all for show Arlington is in Virginia It's Federal land. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:49:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:50:33 PM EDT
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yeah, just one stop on the blue line from DC close a fucking nuff Quote HistoryQuoted:
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like the rest of Washington DC that is publicly accessible, it is all for show Arlington is in Virginia close a fucking nuff Actually, no. It's inbetween Rosslyn and the Pentagon. Neither are in DC. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:07:04 PM EDT
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Not loaded. When you get guard in the States (ammo guard, whatever), you only get a 10rd mag anyways. And seeing how Arlington in Federal property, its also illegal for someone to "pack", even with a VA CCW. During my time in the AF, the times I got stuck out on a perimeter patrol point we were issued full mags (20 rounds in those days) but you did not put on into the gun until after you had released the bolt. So while we technically had loaded guns but no round in the chamber so it was as good as empty. If something happened you had to rack the charging handle and release the bolt and get a round into the chamber before you could fire the gun. Not something you want to do in front of an armed attacker or can do quietly to surprise a fence jumper trying to quietly enter the base (old guns without forward assist to allow quietly charging a round). Of course, being AF, at end of shift when you cleared your gun and a round came out of the chamber somebody would be guarding you, and everyone else at the brig very soon after that visit to the clearing barrel. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:13:32 PM EDT
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Granted this was an M1 Garand and I think it had to due with ceremonial guard at burials. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Someone I talked to a ways back mentioned the gas system was neutered so they were only single shot? Why would they do that? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Stick to stuff you know, like being too tall and FALs. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:20:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Im here and I know the answer but that's not something I'd post in an open forum. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We had a few Old Guard members here. They'd know. Im here and I know the answer but that's not something I'd post in an open forum. Right on. Opsec. I, for one, will never give the guards any reason for me to find out if they're actually loaded or not.  |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:20:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Im here and I know the answer but that's not something I'd post in an open forum. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We had a few Old Guard members here. They'd know. Im here and I know the answer but that's not something I'd post in an open forum. Oooopsec...  |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:22:22 PM EDT
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I sincerely hope they are,sort of a no brainer but I would imagine they are not.fucking politicians
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:32:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:38:56 PM EDT
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Im here and I know the answer but that's not something I'd post in an open forum. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We had a few Old Guard members here. They'd know. Im here and I know the answer but that's not something I'd post in an open forum. Just let me say thank you for watching over them. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:39:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks. Based on what happened in Canada, I think it is time to load those M9's and have them carry loaded mags for the M14. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If memory serves, the M14s are unloaded as is the M9. That said, there is live ammo for the M9 kept in the vicinity. The difference between Arlington and Ottawa, is that at Arlington there is no other "target" besides the tomb there. In Ottawa, everything is right there, so those two guards at the memorial are the most visible guards at a very big target. Which makes them the first to be attacked in any attack on Parliament. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:49:14 PM EDT
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I don't think so !!! but you have to admit putin has waaay more balls then the halfrican coward we are stuck with as potus ... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if these are loaded? http://blogs.voanews.com/photos/files/2012/03/reuters_russia_honor_guard_02Mar12-878x643.jpg they don't need them loaded !!! terrorists know If you fuck with the Russians you WILL get your ass kicked !! unlike our so called leader Putin will do something .... Half of ARF would probably blow Putin if they had a chance to I don't think so !!! but you have to admit putin has waaay more balls then the halfrican coward we are stuck with as potus ... Oh do tell what the reaction was to the Volgograd bus and train station bombs last year. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:50:09 PM EDT
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If they were loaded half of GD would cry because "Armed troops on American soil blah blah blah" 87 times..... LOL |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:53:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stick to stuff you know, like being too tall and FALs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Someone I talked to a ways back mentioned the gas system was neutered so they were only single shot? Why would they do that? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Stick to stuff you know, like being too tall and FALs. And honestly I am curious about the OP's question as well
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:06:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Someone I talked to a ways back mentioned the gas system was neutered so they were only single shot? Unnecessary. The M14 has a valve on the gas cylinder for just that purpose (grenade launching). However, most people tend to miss that the grip on the stocks are shaved off. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:17:04 PM EDT
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I've been to Arlington once. Beautiful place. Loved watching those guys do their thing. There was also a funeral the day I was there which was something to see from a distance.
Unfortunately the biggest thing I remember from it is a guard yelling like a twat at a couple of older folk tourists who tried to walk into an exit instead of an entrance at the front gates (or something akin to that, I don't remember which gates exactly.) I remember the dude having a really foul look on his face, spitting and yelling "DON'T WALK IN THAT WAY! THIS IS THE ENTRANCE, NOT THAT. NO! NO! DON'T WALK THAT WAY!" The old people were clearly bewildered by it and confused and had a deer in the headlights thing going on not knowing which way to walk, and the guy continued to yell at them more as if they were subordinate soldiers or something. It was fucking distasteful and I heard other people saying it was wrong around me. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:24:44 PM EDT
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I've been to Arlington once. Beautiful place. Loved watching those guys do their thing. There was also a funeral the day I was there which was something to see from a distance. Unfortunately the biggest thing I remember from it is a guard yelling like a twat at a couple of older folk tourists who tried to walk into an exit instead of an entrance at the front gates (or something akin to that, I don't remember which gates exactly.) I remember the dude having a really foul look on his face, spitting and yelling "DON'T WALK IN THAT WAY! THIS IS THE ENTRANCE, NOT THAT. NO! NO! DON'T WALK THAT WAY!" The old people were clearly bewildered by it and confused and had a deer in the headlights thing going on not knowing which way to walk, and the guy continued to yell at them more as if they were subordinate soldiers or something. It was fucking distasteful and I heard other people saying it was wrong around me. Some sights should be revered. and if some can't or won't respect that reverence, they should be the ones considered distasteful |
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