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Posted: 10/24/2014 4:04:52 PM EDT
Hello Hive
So finally after 6 months of waiting/testing I am ready to post a double review. It will be pic heavy 
The gun has had NO CLEANING of the internals for 6 months. I did run a bore snake through the barrel twice but only because of how long the rifle sat up and the quality of ammo being used. Gun being used is PSA premium upper/ Internals. On AP lower. The guns had Frog lube Squirted in it 6 months ago. It stayed lubricated and functioned. Pics of the Bolt. This is after months of Carbon build up and dropping it into the sand and dirt. Here are some pics of the chamber after the abuse
The rifle has had around 1000 rds through it during the time frame. Types include (PMC bronze 55gr, AE 55gr and some Israeli 5.56) The Israeli seemed to be the dirtiest and hottest. I did run around 40rds of Tul Ammo but decided it wasn't enough too really consider it in the testing. Overall I am pleased with how the rifle performed and functioned. I will also be purchasing more Frog Lube, the stuff just works, I broke the rifle down today to clean it and it was still lubricated and functional. This probably isn't anything new to the Hive but thought I'd just share it for anyone thinking about purchasing from PSA. Their premium line is great and seems to function really well. Conclusion PSA Premium- G2G Frog Lube- G2G |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 4:11:21 PM EDT
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1000rds in 6 months? I took my M4 through 1100rds in less than 4 hours before we deployed to OIF, no malfs of any kind...M855.
How many malfs did you encounter over this "testing". 6 months / weekends = 24 weekends. This is a plinking schedule you shot, just to be clear. That's 166rds/month, or 42rds per week. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 4:15:58 PM EDT
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That's interesting but as the above says, 1000 rounds isn't much at all.
I shoot a lot less .223/5.56 than many here and I'd be frankly disappointed if one of my guns didn't make it further than that before having issues with any decent lube type. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 4:17:16 PM EDT
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Looks like to much lube attracting crud
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Posted: 10/24/2014 4:17:40 PM EDT
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1000rds in 6 months? I took my M4 through 1100rds in less than 4 hours before we deployed to OIF, no malfs of any kind...M855. How many malfs did you encounter over this "testing". 6 months / weekends = 24 weekends. This is a plinking schedule you shot, just to be clear. That's 166rds/month, or 42rds per week. yeah the Govt. doesn't finance my rounds. I would love to shoot 1000 rds in a session but its just not possible for me at this time. I'm in college and don't make much money. I just buy a 100 rounds here or there and then shoot them up. I substituted length of time in place of rounds. I figured if it was gonna seize it would do so after I left it neglected for months on end. I didn't have any malfunctions. The last range trip saw the majority of crap enter the rifle and it still functioned. Thank you for your service and be careful out there. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 4:20:55 PM EDT
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That's interesting but as the above says, 1000 rounds isn't much at all. I shoot a lot less .223/5.56 than many here and I'd be frankly disappointed if one of my guns didn't make it further than that before having issues with any decent lube type. yeah I know. When I bought this rifle I was told sooo many times how fragile and prone to jams it was. Doing this was just a test to show that you can neglect them and they still will function. I would love to run 1000 rds of Steel case through it and see what it does. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 4:21:41 PM EDT
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No cleaning for 1,000 rounds is now considered "abuse"?
Well to OP's credit at least he didn't put TORTURE in the title. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 4:26:03 PM EDT
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No cleaning for 1,000 rounds is now considered "abuse"? Well to OP's credit at least he didn't put TORTURE in the title. 1000rds? no. 6 months. yes. I already stated that I didn't use that much ammo. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 4:27:34 PM EDT
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That chamber....looks like a NYC sewer after St. Patty's Day Parade
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Posted: 10/24/2014 4:27:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1000rds in 6 months? I took my M4 through 1100rds in less than 4 hours before we deployed to OIF, no malfs of any kind...M855. How many malfs did you encounter over this "testing". 6 months / weekends = 24 weekends. This is a plinking schedule you shot, just to be clear. That's 166rds/month, or 42rds per week. To be fair, he didn't make any claims other than he is happy. Most of us don't shoot for a living. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 4:29:30 PM EDT
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Do you have to perform any special type of cleaning of gun parts before applying Frog Lube?
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Posted: 10/24/2014 4:31:41 PM EDT
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The BCM carbine I built with my wife for her has never choked since 2009. I usually shoot no less than 300rds per session.
All my AR builds just work, including 6.5 Grendel, but there are things that I do that manufacturers don't, and can't really mass produce in the assembly operations. I use brass-cased ammo almost exclusively. Slip2000 EWL or lube. All types of mags, dating from GI orange aluminum mags from the 70's, to all types of modern polymer and steel mags. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 4:32:38 PM EDT
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Looks like to much lube attracting crud this |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 4:33:11 PM EDT
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Thanks for the review!
I've been thinking of going with the PSA premium bolt on my next build. Been using M pro 7 on all of my guns for the past few years, they all seem to like it. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 4:47:12 PM EDT
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Do you have to perform any special type of cleaning of gun parts before applying Frog Lube? No sir. just pull the bolt out, apply a pea sized amount onto your finger and rub the bolt down. That's all I did. I also furthered the testing by using our harsh environment. Where I live the humidity reaches around 80-90%.This is the same kind of environment that caused the original stoner platform to choke in the jungles of south Vietnam. I would take the gun out of a controlled/AC environment and leave it in the bed of my truck during the hot summer months. Did this numerous times during May,June and July. Then I would come out in the morning and put the rifle up and let it sit. I was basically trying to simulate how it would function if another Hurricane hit and the environment was no longer controlled. The rifle still functioned and the internals stayed lubed but I encountered some rust. PSA makes a good rifle but their finish on the barrels seems to be lacking compared to other manufacturers. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 4:49:19 PM EDT
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Thanks for the review! I've been thinking of going with the PSA premium bolt on my next build. Been using M pro 7 on all of my guns for the past few years, they all seem to like it. You will not be disappointed. Alot of people don't like their rifles but buy the bolts still. Just make sure you get the 158CS bolt. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 4:51:48 PM EDT
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That chamber....looks like a NYC sewer after St. Patty's Day Parade Yeah, me thinks I'll stick to my FP-10. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 4:52:04 PM EDT
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1000rds in 6 months? I took my M4 through 1100rds in less than 4 hours before we deployed to OIF, no malfs of any kind...M855. How many malfs did you encounter over this "testing". 6 months / weekends = 24 weekends. This is a plinking schedule you shot, just to be clear. That's 166rds/month, or 42rds per week. That is still more than 87% of arfcommers will shoot in their life. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 4:58:38 PM EDT
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The BCM carbine I built with my wife for her has never choked since 2009. I usually shoot no less than 300rds per session. All my AR builds just work, including 6.5 Grendel, but there are things that I do that manufacturers don't, and can't really mass produce in the assembly operations. I use brass-cased ammo almost exclusively. Slip2000 EWL or lube. All types of mags, dating from GI orange aluminum mags from the 70's, to all types of modern polymer and steel mags. My next built will be a BCM middy. Their stuff is great. I would love to get ahold of some vintage mags. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 5:18:53 PM EDT
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I haven't cleaned my DDM4 V1 in three years (including two classes) and it just choked on steel case plinking at the range. Hit it with Slip 2000 and it resumed running like a sewing machine. I should probably clean it.......
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Posted: 10/24/2014 5:24:30 PM EDT
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I put about 1500 rounds of my reloads through my varmint AR in one weekend, almost no carbon build up, a fair amount of burnt powder residue, your AR looks 500 times worse than mine and you shot quite a bit fewer rounds! If that's the result obtained with Frog Lube I would run away from that stuff so fast...your rifle looks like somebody took a dump in it!
I use just regular Breakfree CLP on mine, and I didn't add any lube to it at all, I don't run my AR sloppy wet like some. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 5:25:44 PM EDT
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I use Froglube on my carry pistols but this is why I believe that an AR needs a liquid petroleum product such as CLP. Much like a car engine it needs oil with solvents to dissolve and carry away the carbon. I will never really use anything other than CLP on my AR. I've got close to 1,000 rounds though my AR with no formal cleaning other than re lubing with CLP and I look squeaky clean compared to that thing.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 5:25:46 PM EDT
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That gun is nasty looking. Please clean that poor thing.
I use Frog Lube too, and couldn't be happier with it. It's great for guns that you don't clean very often, but still need to keep clean and lubed. For example, my travel CCW gun. It lives it's life in a locked Pelican case, inside a suitcase. I rarely use or maintain that gun (Walther P99), but when I do need it, it HAS to work. (And it has 100% of the time) |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 5:44:02 PM EDT
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I just rapped off 500 rounds of tulammo in my ar pistol. I was surprised at how clean it was, I thought that stuff would be more dirty for some reason, but it was surprisingly clean. It functioned fine as well in my 7.5 pistol using that same bcg, st t2 buffer and phase 5 spring and tube. No malfunctions at all.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 5:47:43 PM EDT
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I put about 1500 rounds of my reloads through my varmint AR in one weekend, almost no carbon build up, a fair amount of burnt powder residue, your AR looks 500 times worse than mine and you shot quite a bit fewer rounds! If that's the result obtained with Frog Lube I would run away from that stuff so fast...your rifle looks like somebody took a dump in it! I use just regular Breakfree CLP on mine, and I didn't add any lube to it at all, I don't run my AR sloppy wet like some. I figured he had put atleast 2K rounds of tula through it before I read it iwas 1K of nato spec. Maybe frog lube us supposed to keep carbon from setting up so it can be cleaned easier. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 6:22:16 PM EDT
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Good to see your test.
The AK guys will likely have a bird when I say this but the AR has always struck me as a very reliable firearm.. I have seen a few folks at my club having troubles with a AR but it usually comes down to a few things. Brand new gun (tight) No oil at all of any kind Steel case ammo (usually in a new or dry gun) Never yet was handed a "broke" AR at my club that didn't run when I put a good magazine of xm193 in it after a couple of drips of oil on the bolt. I usually carry a small bottle of CLP but I have pulled the dipstick on the truck a couple of times |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 6:29:17 PM EDT
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  Clean your damn weapon!. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 6:35:24 PM EDT
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Clean your damn weapon!. Better yet don't douse the gun in shitty lube that attracts crap and dirt |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 6:47:08 PM EDT
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Considering this...
Pics of the Bolt. This is after months of Carbon build up and dropping it into the sand and dirt. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 7:03:51 PM EDT
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Quoted: The rifle still functioned and the internals stayed lubed but I encountered some rust. PSA makes a good rifle but their finish on the barrels seems to be lacking compared to other manufacturers. Did you apply the Frog Lube very sparingly on the barrel and wipe it down, to protect it against the elements? |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 7:08:54 PM EDT
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Glad I don't use frog lube.
Mine didn't look that bad after 3000 rounds with Mobil 1. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 7:17:21 PM EDT
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PSA makes a good rifle but their finish on the barrels seems to be lacking compared to other manufacturers. So you had a Frog Lube bukakke party inside your upper and lower receiver, shot a bunch of rounds, somehow put so much Frog Lube inside it that you now have a proper swamp and want to complain about your barrel rusting? |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 7:18:43 PM EDT
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So you had a Frog Lube bukakke party inside your upper and lower receiver, shot a bunch of rounds, somehow put so much Frog Lube inside it that you now have a proper swamp and want to complain about your barrel rusting? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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PSA makes a good rifle but their finish on the barrels seems to be lacking compared to other manufacturers. So you had a Frog Lube bukakke party inside your upper and lower receiver, shot a bunch of rounds, somehow put so much Frog Lube inside it that you now have a proper swamp and want to complain about your barrel rusting? Sounds about right. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 7:32:09 PM EDT
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That stuff looks like it really attracts and holds dirt.
I'll stick with grown-up lube. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:05:20 PM EDT
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This is why I don't use froglube. In a brand new rifle on the shelf.... Never fired The bolt was so sluggish that it wouldn't go into battery
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:07:09 PM EDT
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Fireclean.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:07:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is why I don't use froglube. In a brand new rifle on the shelf.... Never fired The bolt was so sluggish that it wouldn't go into battery http://i62.tinypic.com/331owab.jpg" http://i57.tinypic.com/2cg0djp.jpg" http://i59.tinypic.com/2955v8i.jpg" http://i60.tinypic.com/2ztd8qs.jpg" Someone slimed that poor AR. 
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:17:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is why I don't use froglube. In a brand new rifle on the shelf.... Never fired The bolt was so sluggish that it wouldn't go into battery http://i62.tinypic.com/331owab.jpg" http://i57.tinypic.com/2cg0djp.jpg" http://i59.tinypic.com/2955v8i.jpg" http://i60.tinypic.com/2ztd8qs.jpg" Are you sure that's Froglube and somebody didn't just smash a frog down in the chamber?  Damn that's nasty looking |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:19:37 PM EDT
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This is why I don't use froglube. In a brand new rifle on the shelf.... Never fired The bolt was so sluggish that it wouldn't go into battery http://i62.tinypic.com/331owab.jpg" http://i57.tinypic.com/2cg0djp.jpg" http://i59.tinypic.com/2955v8i.jpg" http://i60.tinypic.com/2ztd8qs.jpg" Someone slimed that poor AR. Took me two hours to clean all of that shit out of there |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:23:30 PM EDT
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This is why I don't use froglube. In a brand new rifle on the shelf.... Never fired The bolt was so sluggish that it wouldn't go into battery http://i62.tinypic.com/331owab.jpg" http://i57.tinypic.com/2cg0djp.jpg" http://i59.tinypic.com/2955v8i.jpg" http://i60.tinypic.com/2ztd8qs.jpg" Frog lube won't stop an AR bolt from going into battery. If the bolt is not locking something else is wrong. Frog lube isn't that thick or sluggish. It is actually pretty slick. ETA: and it wipes right off I'm thinking that's not frog lube but an anti corrosion grease used for shipping/storage. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:33:37 PM EDT
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Frog lube won't stop an AR bolt from going into battery. If the bolt is not locking something else is wrong. Frog lube isn't that thick or sluggish. It is actually pretty slick. ETA: and it wipes right off I'm thinking that's not frog lube but an anti corrosion grease used for shipping/storage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is why I don't use froglube. In a brand new rifle on the shelf.... Never fired The bolt was so sluggish that it wouldn't go into battery http://i62.tinypic.com/331owab.jpg" http://i57.tinypic.com/2cg0djp.jpg" http://i59.tinypic.com/2955v8i.jpg" http://i60.tinypic.com/2ztd8qs.jpg" Frog lube won't stop an AR bolt from going into battery. If the bolt is not locking something else is wrong. Frog lube isn't that thick or sluggish. It is actually pretty slick. ETA: and it wipes right off I'm thinking that's not frog lube but an anti corrosion grease used for shipping/storage. Ehh pretty sure it's frog lube, it most certainly did make the bolt sluggish and would not go into battery. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:39:13 PM EDT
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Ehh pretty sure it's frog lube, it most certainly did make the bolt sluggish and would not go into battery. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is why I don't use froglube. In a brand new rifle on the shelf.... Never fired The bolt was so sluggish that it wouldn't go into battery http://i62.tinypic.com/331owab.jpg" http://i57.tinypic.com/2cg0djp.jpg" http://i59.tinypic.com/2955v8i.jpg" http://i60.tinypic.com/2ztd8qs.jpg" Frog lube won't stop an AR bolt from going into battery. If the bolt is not locking something else is wrong. Frog lube isn't that thick or sluggish. It is actually pretty slick. ETA: and it wipes right off I'm thinking that's not frog lube but an anti corrosion grease used for shipping/storage. Ehh pretty sure it's frog lube, it most certainly did make the bolt sluggish and would not go into battery. how did you apply the froglube, i haven't used it, but from what i understand you need to use their solvent to strip the rifle from any existing oil/grease/lube, then use the cleaner, then use the lube grease on a heated gun, but not to over grease it and wipe off the excess... |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:41:20 PM EDT
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how did you apply the froglube, i haven't used it, but from what i understand you need to use their solvent to strip the rifle from any existing oil/grease/lube, then use the cleaner, then use the lube grease on a heated gun, but not to over grease it and wipe off the excess... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is why I don't use froglube. In a brand new rifle on the shelf.... Never fired The bolt was so sluggish that it wouldn't go into battery http://i62.tinypic.com/331owab.jpg" http://i57.tinypic.com/2cg0djp.jpg" http://i59.tinypic.com/2955v8i.jpg" http://i60.tinypic.com/2ztd8qs.jpg" Frog lube won't stop an AR bolt from going into battery. If the bolt is not locking something else is wrong. Frog lube isn't that thick or sluggish. It is actually pretty slick. ETA: and it wipes right off I'm thinking that's not frog lube but an anti corrosion grease used for shipping/storage. Ehh pretty sure it's frog lube, it most certainly did make the bolt sluggish and would not go into battery. how did you apply the froglube, i haven't used it, but from what i understand you need to use their solvent to strip the rifle from any existing oil/grease/lube, then use the cleaner, then use the lube grease on a heated gun, but not to over grease it and wipe off the excess... It was applied at the manufacturer. I had nothing to do with it other than cleaning it out of the rifle. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:46:36 PM EDT
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My new franken ar has had at least 1k through it, all I do is spray clp on the bcg, I call bullshit.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:48:24 PM EDT
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People really need to learn how to apply frog lube.....
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:50:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People really need to learn how to apply frog lube..... Does it involve heating up the metal with a hairdryer so it becomes "porous" and "absorbs"?
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:50:29 PM EDT
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It was applied at the manufacturer. I had nothing to do with it other than cleaning it out of the rifle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is why I don't use froglube. In a brand new rifle on the shelf.... Never fired The bolt was so sluggish that it wouldn't go into battery http://i62.tinypic.com/331owab.jpg" http://i57.tinypic.com/2cg0djp.jpg" http://i59.tinypic.com/2955v8i.jpg" http://i60.tinypic.com/2ztd8qs.jpg" Frog lube won't stop an AR bolt from going into battery. If the bolt is not locking something else is wrong. Frog lube isn't that thick or sluggish. It is actually pretty slick. ETA: and it wipes right off I'm thinking that's not frog lube but an anti corrosion grease used for shipping/storage. Ehh pretty sure it's frog lube, it most certainly did make the bolt sluggish and would not go into battery. how did you apply the froglube, i haven't used it, but from what i understand you need to use their solvent to strip the rifle from any existing oil/grease/lube, then use the cleaner, then use the lube grease on a heated gun, but not to over grease it and wipe off the excess... It was applied at the manufacturer. I had nothing to do with it other than cleaning it out of the rifle. which manufacturer? (just curious) that really sucks though... |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:52:03 PM EDT
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It was applied at the manufacturer. I had nothing to do with it other than cleaning it out of the rifle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is why I don't use froglube. In a brand new rifle on the shelf.... Never fired The bolt was so sluggish that it wouldn't go into battery http://i62.tinypic.com/331owab.jpg" http://i57.tinypic.com/2cg0djp.jpg" http://i59.tinypic.com/2955v8i.jpg" http://i60.tinypic.com/2ztd8qs.jpg" Frog lube won't stop an AR bolt from going into battery. If the bolt is not locking something else is wrong. Frog lube isn't that thick or sluggish. It is actually pretty slick. ETA: and it wipes right off I'm thinking that's not frog lube but an anti corrosion grease used for shipping/storage. Ehh pretty sure it's frog lube, it most certainly did make the bolt sluggish and would not go into battery. how did you apply the froglube, i haven't used it, but from what i understand you need to use their solvent to strip the rifle from any existing oil/grease/lube, then use the cleaner, then use the lube grease on a heated gun, but not to over grease it and wipe off the excess... It was applied at the manufacturer. I had nothing to do with it other than cleaning it out of the rifle. What did it smell like? ETA: easiest thing to do would be contact th manufacture and ask them what they ship their rifles with. But frog lube isn't that thick. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:02:18 PM EDT
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What did it smell like? ETA: easiest thing to do would be contact th manufacture and ask them what they ship their rifles with. But frog lube isn't that thick. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It was applied at the manufacturer. I had nothing to do with it other than cleaning it out of the rifle. What did it smell like? ETA: easiest thing to do would be contact th manufacture and ask them what they ship their rifles with. But frog lube isn't that thick. That is wheel bearing grease. Sure isnt frog lube. I use CLP, and it works fine for me. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:09:29 PM EDT
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What did it smell like? ETA: easiest thing to do would be contact th manufacture and ask them what they ship their rifles with. But frog lube isn't that thick. It smelled just like the stuff in the froglube kit that I have in my gun room |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:11:54 PM EDT
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That is wheel bearing grease. Sure isnt frog lube. I use CLP, and it works fine for me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It was applied at the manufacturer. I had nothing to do with it other than cleaning it out of the rifle. What did it smell like? ETA: easiest thing to do would be contact th manufacture and ask them what they ship their rifles with. But frog lube isn't that thick. That is wheel bearing grease. Sure isnt frog lube. I use CLP, and it works fine for me. Wheel bearing grease? |
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