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I had a kentucky 45 and a hawken 50, but I just grew tired of them. Sold them a few years back. I will say though that hawken was pretty awesome.
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Not tired, so much, as maybe put off by prices of some things.
Now, if I had more time, heck yeah, black powder stuff looks hella fun |
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Get both. I have a pretty nice professionally built .50 flintlock Kentucky rifle and all the accouterments; hawk, bag, powder horn, powder measure, tools, etc. They are loads of fun to shoot and make you savor each shot since it takes so long to reload. Shooting flintlocks has definitely improved my shooting from the standing off hand position in particular.
While perfectly lethal and capable of taking game they are toys compared to modern, magazine fed, semiautomatic rifles. Really makes you appreciate 200 years of firearms technological advances. A modern rifle and body armor/Load bearing equipment are practical tools. Black powder guns are toys in comparison. To keep out damp you can seal your pan with oily rag or wax (extinguished the candle flame first before doing this). |
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I'm with you OP. My son's unit (1-1 Gunfighters) bought Uberti 1858 .45 Colt revolvers, engraved with the unit crest, when they returned from Iraq in 10 and he gave one to me for Christmas. I now have 1851s, 1860, 1861 and 3 Uberti cartridge guns. Love the history, workmanship, sound and appreciation for what our forefathers went through to shoot. I just joined the National Muzzle Loading Ass'n as I live in N Ky, close to their HQ in Friendship IN. Have fun!!
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Just like fly fishing! Got totally into it, did it all summer, not touched in a year.
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Don't own any black powder sticks but I love the old lever actions.
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If I get tired from shooting my ARs, AKs and semi-auto handguns I just pull out the lever actions, bolt actions, pumps and revolvers.
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Muskets are .mil style firearms, they're just 1700's .mil style firearms.
I haven't caught the BP bug yet. My only BP firearm is still a breech loading cartridge gun (Martini-Henry). |
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I am so fucking old I was very happy when they came out with smokeless powder.
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When I enlisted, I begged for a Colt 45 with pearl handles, but they gave me a funny look and 1911 instead
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Nope. Have zero interest in BP except for looking at them in museums, or attending some living history event. However, I think it's really neat that you have included your sons in your newfound interest. Quality time with the kiddoes in the great outdoors is time well spent. View Quote Yeah they think I'm a cool dad now in a few years they will be avoiding bringing friends home because dad shoots guns that smell like farts. |
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Muskets are .mil style firearms, they're just 1700's .mil style firearms. I haven't caught the BP bug yet. My only BP firearm is still a breech loading cartridge gun (Martini-Henry). View Quote Please tell us more about the M.H. I would love one of these to mess with. Hows finding ammunition for them? Do you have to reload? |
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Beautiful. I feel the same way lately. I can only afford the Indian guns for now though...
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I find myself getting tired of black rifles. Safe is full of them along with a number of NFA items
find myself slimming down the collection and getting guns I think have style and fit the bill. Haven't got into BP yet...but someday. recent buys in the past several years that I love are: Remington 700 Classic in 6.5 x 55mm Swedish 2- Browning Hi Powers Beretta Silver Snipe Over and Under 12 ga. (originally I bought this for my Dad...but the last visit he brought it back and said he was unable to enjoy it) I'm bored with black rifles now |
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If I get tired from shooting my ARs, AKs and semi-auto handguns I just pull out the lever actions, bolt actions, pumps and revolvers. View Quote I like those as well but I think the rokloks just make me feel a connection to the old days when fire arms were still hand built one at a time. |
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Please tell us more about the M.H. I would love one of these to mess with. Hows finding ammunition for them? Do you have to reload? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Muskets are .mil style firearms, they're just 1700's .mil style firearms. I haven't caught the BP bug yet. My only BP firearm is still a breech loading cartridge gun (Martini-Henry). Please tell us more about the M.H. I would love one of these to mess with. Hows finding ammunition for them? Do you have to reload? 20 rnds = $140 http://www.tenxammo.com/tenx_ammo_B.html |
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No offense....but I think people who dress up and try to pretend its olden days are kind of weird, like nerds.
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I hate black powder. But I have delved back into classic Sako bolt guns.
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Black powder firearms--especially flintlocks and revolvers--fascinate me, but I haven't gone there. Yet.
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Having and mastering modern arms and their support equipment are a responsibility of a free citizen.
That said, it is also my hobby. Sometimes I get bored with it and do something else, but I would not get rid of them and I always come back. Black powder is a cool hobby, one of the many things I would do but for time and money. |
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In the end, how many tacticool toys do you need?
I figure that by the time I need something from .mil, there will be plenty laying around on the ground to pick up. Nice smokepoles, btw. |
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I am into BP solely to increase deer hunting opportunities. I have a TC Firestorm for flintlock days at local refuge. TC encore for all other legal BP days.
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The Indian guns get a bad rap sometimes due to the wood work and sometimes crude locks, but they can most of the time be made into nice pieces. here is one I reworked a few years back: http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee502/KobraKomander/0622120707_0001_zps4a81c688.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Beautiful. I feel the same way lately. I can only afford the Indian guns for now though... The Indian guns get a bad rap sometimes due to the wood work and sometimes crude locks, but they can most of the time be made into nice pieces. here is one I reworked a few years back: http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee502/KobraKomander/0622120707_0001_zps4a81c688.jpg That looks great! Yeah, I just have a 1728 French Infantry musket and a 1728 British Dragoon for flint locks so far. I had a Shortland2nd Pattern Brown Bess that I sold a few years back as well. I'll probably get another of those soon or maybe a 3rd pattern. My favorite era is the French and Indian war right now though, been doing a lot of reading about it lately. It's a forgotten war to most Americans. I also have a 1860 Army and a beautiful Uberti 1862 Pocket police with a 6 inch barrel. The pocket police is a lot of fun to shoot. I also made my own tomahawk recently too. Here's the Hawk: And here it is when I wasn't done with my Dragoon: |
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You just got out of high school, right? Do you even read? Kids these days, no imagination or appreciation of the past.... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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No offense....but I think people who dress up and try to pretend its olden days are kind of weird, like nerds. You just got out of high school, right? Do you even read? Kids these days, no imagination or appreciation of the past.... Nope, I can't read. I just imagined that OP said he likes to make moccasins and shit and wants to play dress up for boy scouts. I also thinks he might like to go hunting with a gun that does not go bang. I appreciate the past, I just don't have any interest in LARPing around in it. That shit is for nerds. Sheesh...some people's kids, bless their heart. |
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That looks great! Yeah, I just have a 1728 French Infantry musket and a 1728 British Dragoon for flint locks so far. I had a Shortland2nd Pattern Brown Bess that I sold a few years back as well. I'll probably get another of those soon or maybe a 3rd pattern. My favorite era is the French and Indian war right now though, been doing a lot of reading about it lately. It's a forgotten war to most Americans. I also have a 1860 Army and a beautiful Uberti 1862 Pocket police with a 6 inch barrel. The pocket police is a lot of fun to shoot. I also made my own tomahawk recently too. Here's the Hawk: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/hughjafj/P1010011_zps57e7b99d.jpg And here it is when I wasn't done with my Dragoon: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/hughjafj/P1010008_zps4de32858.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Beautiful. I feel the same way lately. I can only afford the Indian guns for now though... The Indian guns get a bad rap sometimes due to the wood work and sometimes crude locks, but they can most of the time be made into nice pieces. here is one I reworked a few years back: http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee502/KobraKomander/0622120707_0001_zps4a81c688.jpg That looks great! Yeah, I just have a 1728 French Infantry musket and a 1728 British Dragoon for flint locks so far. I had a Shortland2nd Pattern Brown Bess that I sold a few years back as well. I'll probably get another of those soon or maybe a 3rd pattern. My favorite era is the French and Indian war right now though, been doing a lot of reading about it lately. It's a forgotten war to most Americans. I also have a 1860 Army and a beautiful Uberti 1862 Pocket police with a 6 inch barrel. The pocket police is a lot of fun to shoot. I also made my own tomahawk recently too. Here's the Hawk: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/hughjafj/P1010011_zps57e7b99d.jpg And here it is when I wasn't done with my Dragoon: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/hughjafj/P1010008_zps4de32858.jpg Yuck, that couch and pillow look disgusting... |
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IMA is the place to get one. If you're looking for a shooter, the Mk. IV "Long Lever" models are the way to go. Order an untouched Mk. IV and all you'll really need to do is break it down and clean the heck out of it. All of the ones I've seen were in great shape under the gunk. The Mk. IIs are a crap shoot. They'll all need some wood work, and some will be missing parts. They're a project gun. They'll probably be shootable once you get them working, though. I haven't yet seen one that I wouldn't shoot once it was restored. You don't have to reload - a couple of places sell loaded ammo - but it helps as the ammo is expensive. Buy once, then reuse the brass. Don't be scared of ordering the untouched guns. Be aware that they're filthy, and the Mk. IIs will need some wood repairs, but elbow grease and time will uncover a very nice rifle. My Mk. II went from this: <a href="http://s747.photobucket.com/user/MVolkJ1975/media/Milsurps/1876LSAMkII_zps46d44f8e.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx116/MVolkJ1975/Milsurps/1876LSAMkII_zps46d44f8e.jpg</a> To this: <a href="http://s747.photobucket.com/user/MVolkJ1975/media/Milsurps/MHMkII_zps38ed8fb6.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx116/MVolkJ1975/Milsurps/MHMkII_zps38ed8fb6.jpg</a> View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Muskets are .mil style firearms, they're just 1700's .mil style firearms. I haven't caught the BP bug yet. My only BP firearm is still a breech loading cartridge gun (Martini-Henry). Please tell us more about the M.H. I would love one of these to mess with. Hows finding ammunition for them? Do you have to reload? IMA is the place to get one. If you're looking for a shooter, the Mk. IV "Long Lever" models are the way to go. Order an untouched Mk. IV and all you'll really need to do is break it down and clean the heck out of it. All of the ones I've seen were in great shape under the gunk. The Mk. IIs are a crap shoot. They'll all need some wood work, and some will be missing parts. They're a project gun. They'll probably be shootable once you get them working, though. I haven't yet seen one that I wouldn't shoot once it was restored. You don't have to reload - a couple of places sell loaded ammo - but it helps as the ammo is expensive. Buy once, then reuse the brass. Don't be scared of ordering the untouched guns. Be aware that they're filthy, and the Mk. IIs will need some wood repairs, but elbow grease and time will uncover a very nice rifle. My Mk. II went from this: <a href="http://s747.photobucket.com/user/MVolkJ1975/media/Milsurps/1876LSAMkII_zps46d44f8e.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx116/MVolkJ1975/Milsurps/1876LSAMkII_zps46d44f8e.jpg</a> To this: <a href="http://s747.photobucket.com/user/MVolkJ1975/media/Milsurps/MHMkII_zps38ed8fb6.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx116/MVolkJ1975/Milsurps/MHMkII_zps38ed8fb6.jpg</a> Nice! Where'd you get that buff sling? |
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I went from BP to mil-surps.
When I was a young man you could buy all manner of repro BP CW era guns (and even real ones) and shoot cheap if you cast.....Now not so much. Repro BP guns have out paced inflation by at least 25%. It's not a game for the "thin of wallet" these days. I bought two mint M1863 Springfield muskets back in 1980 for $200 a pop. That was a lot of money for me back then (about $600.00 each in today's money) but they would easily bring $1800-$2000 each today. |
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Nope, I can't read. I just imagined that OP said he likes to make moccasins and shit and wants to play dress up for boy scouts. I also thinks he might like to go hunting with a gun that does not go bang. I appreciate the past, I just don't have any interest in LARPing around in it. That shit is for nerds. Sheesh...some people's kids, bless their heart. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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No offense....but I think people who dress up and try to pretend its olden days are kind of weird, like nerds. You just got out of high school, right? Do you even read? Kids these days, no imagination or appreciation of the past.... Nope, I can't read. I just imagined that OP said he likes to make moccasins and shit and wants to play dress up for boy scouts. I also thinks he might like to go hunting with a gun that does not go bang. I appreciate the past, I just don't have any interest in LARPing around in it. That shit is for nerds. Sheesh...some people's kids, bless their heart. larping? These aren't foam weapons and lame teeny boppers playing elf. |
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Beautiful. I feel the same way lately. I can only afford the Indian guns for now though... The Indian guns get a bad rap sometimes due to the wood work and sometimes crude locks, but they can most of the time be made into nice pieces. here is one I reworked a few years back: http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee502/KobraKomander/0622120707_0001_zps4a81c688.jpg That looks great! Yeah, I just have a 1728 French Infantry musket and a 1728 British Dragoon for flint locks so far. I had a Shortland2nd Pattern Brown Bess that I sold a few years back as well. I'll probably get another of those soon or maybe a 3rd pattern. My favorite era is the French and Indian war right now though, been doing a lot of reading about it lately. It's a forgotten war to most Americans. I also have a 1860 Army and a beautiful Uberti 1862 Pocket police with a 6 inch barrel. The pocket police is a lot of fun to shoot. I also made my own tomahawk recently too. Here's the Hawk: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/hughjafj/P1010011_zps57e7b99d.jpg And here it is when I wasn't done with my Dragoon: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/hughjafj/P1010008_zps4de32858.jpg Yuck, that couch and pillow look disgusting... Aren't you just a ray of sunshine....? |
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I'm into BP pistols. I have three of them, all .44 cal. Keeps it simple. I love the fact that they ship BP stuff right to your door.
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Nice! Where'd you get that buff sling? View Quote Same place as the rifle - http://www.ima-usa.com/british-victorian-white-buff-leather-sling-for-martini-henry-lee-metford-and-enfield-rifles.html |
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Huh, I'm the flip side of your coin, OP.
I was heavily into BP for sixteen+ years. AWI reenacting, BP shooting matches, etc. before I got totally and completely burned out. With the boys growing up and money finally being a little less tight, I got the AR I was wanting for years. Now it's all 21st Century for me |
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Nice! Where'd you get that buff sling? Same place as the rifle - http://www.ima-usa.com/british-victorian-white-buff-leather-sling-for-martini-henry-lee-metford-and-enfield-rifles.html Thanks, that looks like It would work for older stuff too. It looks similar to a French Charleville sling I saw at Brandywine Battlefield. What's the length between sling swivels on that rifle? |
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No offense....but I think people who dress up and try to pretend its olden days are kind of weird, like nerds. View Quote IMO anything that involves doing something beats the hell out of hobbies that involve the couch, where the majority of American males spend so much of their time. Even better if it involves multiple skill sets. I would much rather talk to a guy that shoots BP and makes his own knives than a guy that talks about nothing but the upcoming professional sports season, |
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That looks great! Yeah, I just have a 1728 French Infantry musket and a 1728 British Dragoon for flint locks so far. I had a Shortland2nd Pattern Brown Bess that I sold a few years back as well. I'll probably get another of those soon or maybe a 3rd pattern. My favorite era is the French and Indian war right now though, been doing a lot of reading about it lately. It's a forgotten war to most Americans. I also have a 1860 Army and a beautiful Uberti 1862 Pocket police with a 6 inch barrel. The pocket police is a lot of fun to shoot. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/hughjafj/P1010011_zps57e7b99d.jpg And here it is when I wasn't done with my Dragoon: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/hughjafj/P1010008_zps4de32858.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Beautiful. I feel the same way lately. I can only afford the Indian guns for now though... The Indian guns get a bad rap sometimes due to the wood work and sometimes crude locks, but they can most of the time be made into nice pieces. here is one I reworked a few years back: http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee502/KobraKomander/0622120707_0001_zps4a81c688.jpg That looks great! Yeah, I just have a 1728 French Infantry musket and a 1728 British Dragoon for flint locks so far. I had a Shortland2nd Pattern Brown Bess that I sold a few years back as well. I'll probably get another of those soon or maybe a 3rd pattern. My favorite era is the French and Indian war right now though, been doing a lot of reading about it lately. It's a forgotten war to most Americans. I also have a 1860 Army and a beautiful Uberti 1862 Pocket police with a 6 inch barrel. The pocket police is a lot of fun to shoot. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/hughjafj/P1010011_zps57e7b99d.jpg And here it is when I wasn't done with my Dragoon: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/hughjafj/P1010008_zps4de32858.jpg I also made my own tomahawk recently too. Good looking hawk man! I wish I had the nerve to try inlays on my handle like that. mine looks plain hehe. Here's the Hawk: |
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No offense....but I think people who dress up and try to pretend its olden days are kind of weird, like nerds. View Quote Maybe......but only a little bit. Me, I was all about informing the public about our History in a way they could SEE, and TOUCH, and even smell (the BP smoke). Seeing how our forebears fought and what they fought with always rings a bell with the public. That and paying homage to the heroes who fought for our country against all odds. They deserve to be remembered. |
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