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Posted: 10/23/2014 12:26:47 PM EDT

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About 20% of the people I know who have or had Kimber pistols weren't happy.

I say that as a pretty big 1911 fan. IMO, either buy something much lower on the price scale and have it worked, or buy something much better/more expensive.

No opinion on the M&P other than that the IDPA guy's who have 9mm Pro's all loved them after a trigger job and they seemed rock solid reliable in competitions.

Posted: 10/23/2014 12:28:17 PM EDT

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Heard too many horror stories recently about Kimber...YMMV

Posted: 10/23/2014 1:40:50 PM EDT

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About 20% of the people I know who have or had Kimber pistols weren't happy.

I say that as a pretty big 1911 fan. IMO, either buy something much lower on the price scale and have it worked, or buy something much better/more expensive.

No opinion on the M&P other than that the IDPA guy's who have 9mm Pro's all loved them after a trigger job and they seemed rock solid reliable in competitions.

These Kimber Warriors are not your typical Kimber... they are excellent 1911's... as already stated I have this model but its in black... the desert version is whats falling off the roster and its the same gun just a different color. 6 years zero malfunctions.... everyone who has had a Kimber Warrior has said the same... so reliability is out of the discussion and isn't a deciding factor.

Posted: 10/23/2014 2:34:10 PM EDT

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What about mag capacity, or is that a wash? Can you get the 17 round mags for the m&p before the cutoff?

Does get both work?

Posted: 10/23/2014 2:46:20 PM EDT

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What about mag capacity, or is that a wash? Can you get the 17 round mags for the m&p before the cutoff?

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10 round limit in CA

Posted: 10/23/2014 2:49:33 PM EDT

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As a former Kimber owner, I will never own another. You could give me one for free and I wouldn't take it

Kimber and their so called worthless customer service sucks donkey balls

When the Kimber fails to feed factory ball ammo, out of the box, and KIMBER customer service tells you to put 500 rounds through the gun, before they'll take it back for remedial service, and you SINGLE FEED an entire box through the fucking gun, you will eventually figure out that you can live the rest of your life, happily not owning another KIMBER.

( KIMBER did,eventually take the gun in for service, and shipped it back to me, semi- functional, but not reliable enough .)

Posted: 10/23/2014 2:54:29 PM EDT

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I like my Kimbers.

Posted: 10/23/2014 2:55:30 PM EDT

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Based on looks alone.

M&P vtac

Posted: 10/23/2014 3:00:08 PM EDT

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The Kimber you will just shoot look at because it will fail and not because its a 1911 but because its a kimber
The M&P you will enjoy the hobby of replacing half of it just to make it feel like you're shooting a Kimber

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Posted: 10/23/2014 3:02:16 PM EDT

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Why not an m&p45?

Posted: 10/23/2014 3:07:10 PM EDT

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my 2005 Desert Warrior is a beast, never fails to run.

Posted: 10/23/2014 3:23:54 PM EDT

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MP9 VTAC.

I put a a APEX DCAEK kit in it and it improved my accuracy quite a bit.

Target at 50 feet after Apex kit install.

Posted: 10/23/2014 3:25:38 PM EDT

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Posted: 10/23/2014 3:36:38 PM EDT

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Of just those two, the M&P. But honestly I personally would not want either.

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Posted: 10/23/2014 3:43:34 PM EDT

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In CA I can buy this gun anytime... but a law passed where certain guns wont be available, the two guns listed are ones that are expiring jan 1 2015.

Posted: 10/23/2014 5:21:39 PM EDT

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In CA I can buy this gun anytime... but a law passed where certain guns wont be available, the two guns listed are ones that are expiring jan 1 2015.

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Why not an m&p45?

In CA I can buy this gun anytime... but a law passed where certain guns wont be available, the two guns listed are ones that are expiring jan 1 2015.

What makes these so bad?

Posted: 10/23/2014 5:44:06 PM EDT

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Why not an m&p45?

In CA I can buy this gun anytime... but a law passed where certain guns wont be available, the two guns listed are ones that are expiring jan 1 2015.

What makes these so bad?

Has a different model number and is not on the Safe Handgun Roster which is just a paid list manufacturers have to pay to be on the safe handgun list. In this case however, a lot of people used a loop hole through a single shot exeption, where pistols were modified at point of sale to only fire one round at a time, therefore it is not a semiautomatic pistol. This loophole is expiring 1/1/15

Posted: 10/25/2014 12:07:40 AM EDT

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As a former Kimber owner, I will never own another. You could give me one for free and I wouldn't take it

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put of the two, get the S&W

As a former Kimber owner, I will never own another. You could give me one for free and I wouldn't take it

Kimber and their so called worthless customer service sucks donkey balls

When the Kimber fails to feed factory ball ammo, out of the box, and KIMBER customer service tells you to put 500 rounds through the gun, before they'll take it back for remedial service, and you SINGLE FEED an entire box through the fucking gun, you will eventually figure out that you can live the rest of your life, happily not owning another KIMBER.

( KIMBER did,eventually take the gun in for service, and shipped it back to me, semi- functional, but not reliable enough .)

I sent my Kimber back four times all on my dime

They never fixed the problem

Posted: 10/25/2014 12:09:28 AM EDT

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Of just those two, the M&P. But honestly I personally would not want either.

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Posted: 10/25/2014 12:10:19 AM EDT

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What's happening in the new year in CA? More guns added to the ban list?

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SSE going away.

Posted: 10/25/2014 12:12:31 AM EDT

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he can buy that next year

Posted: 10/25/2014 12:14:27 AM EDT

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The answer is always 'something other than Kimber'.

I've fixed entirely too many of them by owners who were at the end of their rope, still having a gun that doesn't work even after sending it in five or six times.

The shit of it is, most of the problems were simple.. poorly cut extractors, too tight of a slide to frame fit, rough feed ramps, shitty mags. I get annoyed when I have to clean up after a home tinkerer, I get pissed when I have to clean up after a manufacturer of a $1000 pistol.

If the stars align, and the union pukes are having a good day, Kimber can make a pretty good pistol.. but there are better 1911s out there for the same or less money.

The VTAC isn't that great either though.. the sights suck. If you REALLY want an FDE M&P, go for it, but I'd just get a standard model and a set of Trijicon HD sights, and spend less money in the process.

Posted: 10/25/2014 12:14:33 AM EDT

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What about mag capacity, or is that a wash? Can you get the 17 round mags for the m&p before the cutoff?

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10 round limit in CA

Only applies to give, sell, manufacture or import.

Does not apply to buy, find or possess.

Posted: 10/25/2014 12:15:50 AM EDT

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The Kimber you will just shoot look at because it will fail and not because its a 1911 but because its a kimber
The M&P you will enjoy the hobby of replacing half of it just to make it feel like you're shooting a Kimber

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I would avoid both though. Would rather have a Colt 1911.

Posted: 10/25/2014 12:16:49 AM EDT

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I had a Eclipse Target II which would FTF because it had a target chamber and wouldn't feed all ammo. I picked up the Warrior II next at the recommendation of the Kimber tech guy, he said the Warrior had a slightly larger chamber to feed reliably.

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My Kimber Desert Warrior is a finicky piece.

Out of the 5 Kimbers I've owned, my Desert Warrior was the only reliable one. I guess that is proof of their QC though.

I had a Eclipse Target II which would FTF because it had a target chamber and wouldn't feed all ammo. I picked up the Warrior II next at the recommendation of the Kimber tech guy, he said the Warrior had a slightly larger chamber to feed reliably.

Is that what they called it?

Posted: 10/25/2014 12:52:00 AM EDT

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M&P no question. Too many issues with Kimber in general to justify dropping a grand on one.

Posted: 10/25/2014 1:18:56 AM EDT

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M&P 9mm.

I have one of the VTAC's, not sure I would get it unless you specifically want a suppressor host maybe. Even then I'm not sure it was worth it since the regular M&P's can be had very reasonably priced.

Not sure if the slide has the same finish under the paint, but I had some rust pop up and I'm not sure where it came from. Pistol was indoors, may have gotten some sweat on it, just not sure.

Posted: 10/25/2014 1:31:26 AM EDT

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Fuck Kimbers. If I had a dollar for every phone call I've had from people with broken Kimbers, I'd be able to pay my fucking phone bill.

Posted: 10/27/2014 12:55:24 PM EDT

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Glocks and skydiving are out until I finish paying off my student loans

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I love my Kimber Warrior, and I am starting to think I could always just buy another one (black) and have it duracoated... and I could get the M&P VTAC FDE now which would be cheaper and would be my first full size 9mm (currently carry/love the 9mm shield)