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Posted: 10/21/2014 5:43:51 PM EDT
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Nina Pham upgraded from fair to good.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 6:00:24 PM EDT
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And still nothing on Amber Vinson, unless I've missed it.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 6:02:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nina Pham upgraded from fair to good. That's great news. Not just for her personally, but also to the treatment's success.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 6:02:48 PM EDT
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Nina Pham upgraded from fair to good. Just heard that she is going home. 
They fear the worst case scenario for her dog. 
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Posted: 10/21/2014 6:07:01 PM EDT
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Study Predicts 220K W. African Ebola Cases by Years' End A recently published statistical analysis funded by US Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) predicts that there will be approximately 230,000 Ebola infected people in the West African countries of Liberia and Sierra Leone by December 31, 2014. Ebola And what is GD's prediction ? "Total cumulative cases by 12/31", or "active infections on 12/31"? |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 6:37:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/21/2014 6:40:07 PM EDT
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And still nothing on Amber Vinson, unless I've missed it. If she dies we will never hear the end of it... |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 6:41:36 PM EDT
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Just heard that she is going home.
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Nina Pham upgraded from fair to good. Just heard that she is going home.
They fear the worst case scenario for her dog. ... Do tell? Is the dog infected? |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 7:14:04 PM EDT
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Ashoka Mukpo is healed.
October 21st, 2014
The Nebraska Medical Center reports that Ashoka Mukpo no longer has the virus in his bloodstream and is free to head back to his home state of Rhode Island. http://www.wowt.com/home/headlines/Update---279843452.html |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 7:15:54 PM EDT
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And still nothing on Amber Vinson, unless I've missed it. If she dies we will never hear the end of it... Ebola is racist! |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 7:19:16 PM EDT
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The Black Plague had monumental changes on the world, boosting the Renaissance era into areas that it probably would have never achieved without a similar devastating population eradication. This really makes you wonder if someone targeted Africa for population control, considering Al Gore's comments earlier this year (January). If it's coincidence that ebola broke out this year, it sure is convenient. Al Gore on African Population Problem  
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Posted: 10/21/2014 7:19:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ebola is racist! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: And still nothing on Amber Vinson, unless I've missed it. If she dies we will never hear the end of it... Ebola is racist! |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 7:19:33 PM EDT
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Nina Pham upgraded from fair to good. thats awesome |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 7:20:18 PM EDT
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And still nothing on Amber Vinson, unless I've missed it. other than a low LOW grade fever there hasn't been a report since she went in QT. could be she isn't really symptomatic yet. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:02:24 PM EDT
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this is a long read, but may be of interest to some....
http://allafrica.com/stories/201410202741.html some highlights - the U.S. isn't going there to help fight against ebola, bho is sending the troops, equipment and funds to build infrastructure for africans Liberia: Ebola Deaths Drop? A Lot of Empty Beds, Fewer Pickups Now.......... Maj. General Darryl Williams, Joint Task Force Commander, Operation United Assistance, says none of those facilities would be completed and available for use until at least in December. "We are building 17 Ebola Treatment Units," he says upon arrival in Bomi County, Wednesday to assess the US-funded Ebola isolation units being constructed by U.S. and Liberian troops. "There will be about eight in the southeast. They'll be in Maryland, Zorzor, Zwedru, Ganta." These days, Kromah seems more worried about stigmatization issues as residents and neighbors demand that he shows proof that he is no longer infected with the virus. view of some of those treating the sick Quietly, some local doctors and task force operators are confident that the virus could be greatly contained by the time the U.S. is fully ready to get the ball rolling although the World Health Organization's projections see it differently with the numbers expected to hit 10,000 weekly by December if activities are not ramped up to contain the virus. "Far less bodies are being found in the communities and we are taking most bodies from Emergency Treatment Units (ETU's), meaning most Ebola patients are now making it into ETU's," Says Samuel Tetroien Nimley Jr., Commissioner of Police for Intelligence and Interpol Affairs, also a Security Coordinator between the Liberian Ministry of Health and the Red Cross. opinion from ambulance driver regarding the drop in deaths He says due to the level of sensitization at the community level Liberia's Ebola Response is seeing a boost therefore the drop in cases that are actually coming in and the deaths that are occurring. Broh said now the country is dealing with cases that occur due to the contacts people who are now in ETUs had with others while they were still outside. He said the government should develop a post Ebola healthcare delivery strategy. "I believe there is no secret burial and people are not hiding themselves in homes like they used to. They are coming forward to be tested for the disease and for treatment," he says. "When it comes to the Ebola situation, the way the ambulances used to be moving around, the way we used to be receiving calls; things are gradually dropping. For me, I believe that since things are improving, the government should try to open other health facilities; so people who have different illnesses can be able to seek treatment." who regarding discrepancy The WHO says the data acquisition continues to be a challenge in Liberia and that Evidence obtained from responders and laboratory staff in the country suggests that the situation in Liberia is getting worse, and that transmission remains intense in the capital, Monrovia. As has been the case over the past four weeks, very few confirmed cases were reported from Monrovia between 6 and 11 October (figure 2), reflecting ongoing delays in matching laboratory results with clinical surveillance data. By contrast, 138 suspected and probable cases were reported from Monrovia during the same period, many of which are likely to be genuine cases of EVD. bunch of political stuff, including wariness regarding the u.s. effort, internal liberian politics, and how donated humanitarian goods and funds are being diverted on to the black market and misappropriated (what else is new?) U.S. has given liberia $10 million so far to pay health care workers in liberia But even amid the goodwill, concerns are mounting that donations are not being handled properly; nurses and doctors continue to wail about the lack of protective gears, gloves and masks and healthcare workers are continuing to die even though conditions in some areas have improved. More importantly, most of the donated foods are already spoiling because they're not reaching the targets fast enough, complicated by the government's unwillingness to bring closure to the issue of health works salary arrears, which has gotten the attention of its key international partner, the United States of America. Ambassador Deborah Malac said during a tour with U.S. troops to Bomi County where a US-funded ETU is being constructed, that the government must pay the health workers salaries so that they can focus on saving lives, indicating that the U.S. has given Liberia additional US$5 million, making it a total of US$10 million to pay health workers salaries. like most third world countries, about 50% - 70% of stuff gets diverted before it gets to where it is needed. so how long are these units going to be run by the u.s? and of course, after this ebola crisis is over, someone will have to pay to service and keep them up. so, bho is spending all this money and effort in africa, and ignores what is going on in the v.a. system here in this country. ain't it grand to be king, obama?  |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:06:53 PM EDT
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Nina Pham upgraded from fair to good. thats awesome A couple days ago, I said I'd be amazed if she stayed "fair" or better. I'm happy to eat crow. Seriously. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:11:06 PM EDT
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A couple days ago, I said I'd be amazed if she stayed "fair" or better. I'm happy to eat crow. Seriously. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nina Pham upgraded from fair to good. thats awesome A couple days ago, I said I'd be amazed if she stayed "fair" or better. I'm happy to eat crow. Seriously. same here i figured she was 50/50 at best |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:13:46 PM EDT
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That's great news. Not just for her personally, but also to the treatment's success. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nina Pham upgraded from fair to good. That's great news. Not just for her personally, but also to the treatment's success. This. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that she and the spanish nurse were the first two to be infected in the west where it was immediately recognized and immediately treated. Both of them seemed to have relatively quick and successful recoveries as well. Just goes to show how awesome Western medicine can be when it actually has its shit together. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:20:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: this is a long read, but may be of interest to some.... http://allafrica.com/stories/201410202741.html view of some of those treating the sick "Far less bodies are being found in the communities and we are taking most bodies from Emergency Treatment Units (ETU's), meaning most Ebola patients are now making it into ETU's," Says Samuel Tetroien Nimley Jr., Commissioner of Police for Intelligence and Interpol Affairs, also a Security Coordinator between the Liberian Ministry of Health and the Red Cross. Quote HistoryQuoted: this is a long read, but may be of interest to some.... http://allafrica.com/stories/201410202741.html view of some of those treating the sick Quietly, some local doctors and task force operators are confident that the virus could be greatly contained by the time the U.S. is fully ready to get the ball rolling although the World Health Organization's projections see it differently with the numbers expected to hit 10,000 weekly by December if activities are not ramped up to contain the virus. "Far less bodies are being found in the communities and we are taking most bodies from Emergency Treatment Units (ETU's), meaning most Ebola patients are now making it into ETU's," Says Samuel Tetroien Nimley Jr., Commissioner of Police for Intelligence and Interpol Affairs, also a Security Coordinator between the Liberian Ministry of Health and the Red Cross. opinion from ambulance driver regarding the drop in deaths He says due to the level of sensitization at the community level Liberia's Ebola Response is seeing a boost therefore the drop in cases that are actually coming in and the deaths that are occurring. Broh said now the country is dealing with cases that occur due to the contacts people who are now in ETUs had with others while they were still outside. He said the government should develop a post Ebola healthcare delivery strategy. "I believe there is no secret burial and people are not hiding themselves in homes like they used to. They are coming forward to be tested for the disease and for treatment," he says. "When it comes to the Ebola situation, the way the ambulances used to be moving around, the way we used to be receiving calls; things are gradually dropping. For me, I believe that since things are improving, the government should try to open other health facilities; so people who have different illnesses can be able to seek treatment." who regarding discrepancy The WHO says the data acquisition continues to be a challenge in Liberia and that Evidence obtained from responders and laboratory staff in the country suggests that the situation in Liberia is getting worse, and that transmission remains intense in the capital, Monrovia. As has been the case over the past four weeks, very few confirmed cases were reported from Monrovia between 6 and 11 October (figure 2), reflecting ongoing delays in matching laboratory results with clinical surveillance data. By contrast, 138 suspected and probable cases were reported from Monrovia during the same period, many of which are likely to be genuine cases of EVD. That story reads like a propaganda piece. It would be much more believable if Liberia had been reporting consistent numbers to the WHO over the past month, instead of unconfirmed guesses that vary wildly. I find it hard to believe that epidemic is coming under control when Liberia can't even lab-confirm more than 10% of their cases -- especially since they had no problems confirming nearly 300 cases a week just a month ago. In addition, there are credible allegations of a cover-up of the real numbers by Liberian officials. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/19/ebola-liberia-death-toll-data-sorious-samura Samura, a television journalist originally from Sierra Leone, said the Liberian authorities appeared to be deliberately downplaying the true number of cases, for fear of increasing alarm in the west African country. "People are dying in greater numbers than we know, according to MSF [Medecins sans Frontières] and WHO officials. Certain departments are refusing to give them the figures – because the lower it is, the more peace of mind they can give people. The truth is that it is still not under control.” WHO has admitted that problems with data-gathering make it hard to track the evolution of the epidemic, with the number of cases in the capital, Monrovia, going under-reported. Efforts to count freshly dug graves had been abandoned." I find it much easier to believe that a corrupt African government would intentionally fudge the numbers than the Ebola epidemic is coming under control in Liberia -- especially since case numbers in Sierra Leone and Guinea are still climbing. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:33:29 PM EDT
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According to some there are many more infected but they're keeping it under wraps. - In today's world hiding more confirmed ebola cases is a million times more unlikely than NASA's film crew keeping the moon landing set under wraps. 
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Dr. in Dallas test positive. Look for it in the news soon. We're still waiting. 
How long are we going to have to wait? I'm thinking until one actually does catch it. 
Day 3 and we are still waiting. According to some there are many more infected but they're keeping it under wraps. - In today's world hiding more confirmed ebola cases is a million times more unlikely than NASA's film crew keeping the moon landing set under wraps.
Day 4 and still nothing. And I just checked and he posted in a thread an hour ago. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:48:41 PM EDT
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This. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that she and the spanish nurse were the first two to be infected in the west where it was immediately recognized and immediately treated. Both of them seemed to have relatively quick and successful recoveries as well. Just goes to show how awesome Western medicine can be when it actually has its shit together. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nina Pham upgraded from fair to good. That's great news. Not just for her personally, but also to the treatment's success. This. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that she and the spanish nurse were the first two to be infected in the west where it was immediately recognized and immediately treated. Both of them seemed to have relatively quick and successful recoveries as well. Just goes to show how awesome Western medicine can be when it actually has its shit together. I'm glad to hear she is getting better but I'm not quite as impressed with western medicine. The big decider seems to be how early you realize you have the Ebola and seek treatment. A little fever and you call in the bubble suits? You live, no problem. Puke on the sidewalk staggering your way to the ER? You are dead meat and you will do nothing but infect the ones trying to help you in your last days of spewing and squirting and sweating. Do us all a favor and put up some biohazard tape before you blow your brains out. Self immolation is preferred. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:54:40 PM EDT
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there are a lot of factors in survival. we in general have MUCH better general health here than in liberia as well as a massively better diet. going into the infection people here are generally going to be in a much better state of health, especially someone in their 20-30's like phan.
then factor in actual medical care instead of rancid conditions without even the most basic of medications. that is why we should see a much better survival rate than liberia. duncan was a fubar'd situation. the hospital blew it on diagnosis. by the time he was finally admitted he was already beyond the threshold of survival most likely. even IF they had admitted him on day one there is still no guarantee. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 9:09:05 PM EDT
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I'm glad to hear she is getting better but I'm not quite as impressed with western medicine. The big decider seems to be how early you realize you have the Ebola and seek treatment. A little fever and you call in the bubble suits? You live, no problem. Puke on the sidewalk staggering your way to the ER? You are dead meat and you will do nothing but infect the ones trying to help you in your last days of spewing and squirting and sweating. Do us all a favor and put up some biohazard tape before you blow your brains out. Self immolation is preferred. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nina Pham upgraded from fair to good. That's great news. Not just for her personally, but also to the treatment's success. This. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that she and the spanish nurse were the first two to be infected in the west where it was immediately recognized and immediately treated. Both of them seemed to have relatively quick and successful recoveries as well. Just goes to show how awesome Western medicine can be when it actually has its shit together. I'm glad to hear she is getting better but I'm not quite as impressed with western medicine. The big decider seems to be how early you realize you have the Ebola and seek treatment. A little fever and you call in the bubble suits? You live, no problem. Puke on the sidewalk staggering your way to the ER? You are dead meat and you will do nothing but infect the ones trying to help you in your last days of spewing and squirting and sweating. Do us all a favor and put up some biohazard tape before you blow your brains out. Self immolation is preferred. Good thing Western medicine has nothing to do with stuff like early and aggressive fluid management, supportive care, ability to rapidly catch physiologic derangements, and other mundane stuff like that. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 9:50:57 PM EDT
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No one mentioned the possible Ebola in New Jersey yet? Ya'll just want us to burn huh...
http://www.northjersey.com/news/passenger-at-newark-airport-taken-to-hospital-for-ebola-evaluation-1.1114189 They took a flight from Liberia through Brussels... quarantined for Ebola symptoms. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 10:06:44 PM EDT
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I'm glad to hear she is getting better but I'm not quite as impressed with western medicine. The big decider seems to be how early you realize you have the Ebola and seek treatment. A little fever and you call in the bubble suits? You live, no problem. Puke on the sidewalk staggering your way to the ER? You are dead meat and you will do nothing but infect the ones trying to help you in your last days of spewing and squirting and sweating. Do us all a favor and put up some biohazard tape before you blow your brains out. Self immolation is preferred. Why, because Western medicine hasn't figured out a way to instantly cure a virus with a 70% fatality rate?
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Posted: 10/21/2014 10:34:51 PM EDT
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Why, because Western medicine hasn't figured out a way to instantly cure a virus with a 70% fatality rate? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm glad to hear she is getting better but I'm not quite as impressed with western medicine. The big decider seems to be how early you realize you have the Ebola and seek treatment. A little fever and you call in the bubble suits? You live, no problem. Puke on the sidewalk staggering your way to the ER? You are dead meat and you will do nothing but infect the ones trying to help you in your last days of spewing and squirting and sweating. Do us all a favor and put up some biohazard tape before you blow your brains out. Self immolation is preferred. Why, because Western medicine hasn't figured out a way to instantly cure a virus with a 70% fatality rate? 
We don't need Western "medicine" run by corporationy corporations. Ear candles & colloidal silver will cure Ebola 100% of the time if used in conjunction with proper meditation. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 10:53:23 PM EDT
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Why, because Western medicine hasn't figured out a way to instantly cure a virus with a 70% fatality rate? The 70% fatality rate may only apply to this outbreak in western Africa. So far the few (~ 6 or 7) Americans infected have all recovered or may be on the path to recovery. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 10:55:34 PM EDT
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the problem with bio defense is in the grand scheme of national threats it has always been considered low. it has always been considered a local/regional issue as we don't have many highly infectious lethal diseases here in the grand scheme of things. the few cases a year we do have are dealt with within the local healthcare system ata county and state level. The Feds responsibility here is really more of a data collection and sharing portal as well as funding research. Bio gear degrades with time. it's not something you can stockpile and expect to pull out of storage 20 years later and use. suits dry rot, drugs expire etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bio- defence in this siuation has been a joke. From 2001 to 2011 over $60 Billion was spent. I don't see the health care system anywhere near ready to handle a pandemic of any type. Here is an interesting article from 2011. http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110907/full/477150a.html the problem with bio defense is in the grand scheme of national threats it has always been considered low. it has always been considered a local/regional issue as we don't have many highly infectious lethal diseases here in the grand scheme of things. the few cases a year we do have are dealt with within the local healthcare system ata county and state level. The Feds responsibility here is really more of a data collection and sharing portal as well as funding research. Bio gear degrades with time. it's not something you can stockpile and expect to pull out of storage 20 years later and use. suits dry rot, drugs expire etc. What did the $60+ Billion get spent on? Just like Katrina and NOLA, hundreds of millions given to NOLA over decades to prepare for hits by hurricanes and they didn't do sh*t with the money but waste it for jobs for relatives that never showed up to work. The CDC spent a lot of money on exactly what then when it comes to pandemics? . ETA Ariticle says ebola appeared to have infested in ducts to become airborne in Reston in 1989. http://www.naturalnews.com/047317_Ebola_Reston_airborne_transmission_USAMRIID.html |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 11:42:13 PM EDT
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I'm glad to hear she is getting better but I'm not quite as impressed with western medicine. The big decider seems to be how early you realize you have the Ebola and seek treatment. A little fever and you call in the bubble suits? You live, no problem. Puke on the sidewalk staggering your way to the ER? You are dead meat and you will do nothing but infect the ones trying to help you in your last days of spewing and squirting and sweating. Do us all a favor and put up some biohazard tape before you blow your brains out. Self immolation is preferred. my diagnosis  :
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Posted: 10/21/2014 11:54:16 PM EDT
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The Black Plague had monumental changes on the world, boosting the Renaissance era into areas that it probably would have never achieved without a similar devastating population eradication. This really makes you wonder if someone targeted Africa for population control, considering Al Gore's comments earlier this year (January). If it's coincidence that ebola broke out this year, it sure is convenient. Al Gore on African Population Problem Many don't realize that Planned Parenthood (you know, the pro-abortion organization) was started by leftist individuals who were proponents of Eugenics. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 11:55:55 PM EDT
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Just to keep the ruckus rolling in this thread.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 11:57:20 PM EDT
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2 people who arrived at Chicago's O'Hare Airport from Liberia under observation at local hospitals, city officials say - @ChicagoTribune |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 12:03:22 AM EDT
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That story reads like a propaganda piece. It would be much more believable if Liberia had been reporting consistent numbers to the WHO over the past month, instead of unconfirmed guesses that vary wildly. I find it hard to believe that epidemic is coming under control when Liberia can't even lab-confirm more than 10% of their cases -- especially since they had no problems confirming nearly 300 cases a week just a month ago. In addition, there are credible allegations of a cover-up of the real numbers by Liberian officials. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/19/ebola-liberia-death-toll-data-sorious-samura Samura, a television journalist originally from Sierra Leone, said the Liberian authorities appeared to be deliberately downplaying the true number of cases, for fear of increasing alarm in the west African country. "People are dying in greater numbers than we know, according to MSF [Medecins sans Frontières] and WHO officials. Certain departments are refusing to give them the figures – because the lower it is, the more peace of mind they can give people. The truth is that it is still not under control.” WHO has admitted that problems with data-gathering make it hard to track the evolution of the epidemic, with the number of cases in the capital, Monrovia, going under-reported. Efforts to count freshly dug graves had been abandoned." I find it much easier to believe that a corrupt African government would intentionally fudge the numbers than the Ebola epidemic is coming under control in Liberia -- especially since case numbers in Sierra Leone and Guinea are still climbing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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this is a long read, but may be of interest to some.... http://allafrica.com/stories/201410202741.html WHO regarding discrepancy
The WHO says the data acquisition continues to be a challenge in Liberia and that Evidence obtained from responders and laboratory staff in the country suggests that the situation in Liberia is getting worse, and that transmission remains intense in the capital, Monrovia. As has been the case over the past four weeks, very few confirmed cases were reported from Monrovia between 6 and 11 October (figure 2), reflecting ongoing delays in matching laboratory results with clinical surveillance data. By contrast, 138 suspected and probable cases were reported from Monrovia during the same period, many of which are likely to be genuine cases of EVD. That story reads like a propaganda piece. It would be much more believable if Liberia had been reporting consistent numbers to the WHO over the past month, instead of unconfirmed guesses that vary wildly. I find it hard to believe that epidemic is coming under control when Liberia can't even lab-confirm more than 10% of their cases -- especially since they had no problems confirming nearly 300 cases a week just a month ago. In addition, there are credible allegations of a cover-up of the real numbers by Liberian officials. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/19/ebola-liberia-death-toll-data-sorious-samura Samura, a television journalist originally from Sierra Leone, said the Liberian authorities appeared to be deliberately downplaying the true number of cases, for fear of increasing alarm in the west African country. "People are dying in greater numbers than we know, according to MSF [Medecins sans Frontières] and WHO officials. Certain departments are refusing to give them the figures – because the lower it is, the more peace of mind they can give people. The truth is that it is still not under control.” WHO has admitted that problems with data-gathering make it hard to track the evolution of the epidemic, with the number of cases in the capital, Monrovia, going under-reported. Efforts to count freshly dug graves had been abandoned." I find it much easier to believe that a corrupt African government would intentionally fudge the numbers than the Ebola epidemic is coming under control in Liberia -- especially since case numbers in Sierra Leone and Guinea are still climbing. [ETA: This is just FYI. It's more pertinent to the Africa thread. I think my computer has contracted Ebola.] Liberia From 10/6 to 10/11, there were 57 total new cases reported to WHO, but the article suggests that there were 138 suspected and probable cases in Monrovia, alone. This covers a six day time period. Monrovia has a population 970,000, compared to 4,429,000 for all of Liberia. Assuming an even distribution of the virus, that indicates that there should have been closer to 630 reported cases from 10/6-10/11 - a far cry from the 57 cases they reported. The analysis by CDC indicates that we should be seeing 280 to 650 new cases per day during this time frame. The case counts being reported by Liberia are orders of magnitude lower than the projections. Sierra Leone Over the same time period, 10/6-10/11, there were 326 new cases reported to WHO. This increase in cases slightly outpaces the CDC projections, but is in line with the WHO projections. Balance of Effort About 6 new cases a day in Liberia, versus roughly 60 new cases a day in Sierra Leone (10-6-10/11) ... This begs the question: Why are US troops even in Liberia? By all measures, we should have focused relief efforts on Sierra Leone. We should be telling Liberia that they don't need us. Maybe that would help to get a straight story out of them? Using the stats reported from Liberia, and using a 9 day incubation rate and 8 days from symptoms to death [WHO], they should have about 390 sick people at the moment, perhaps with additional 200 who have turned the corner and are on their way to recovering. But, at these rates, by the time we get these facilities built, there will be no one left to treat. Where Does the Truth Lie? The Liberian government is spinning a tale that WHO, MSF and the US Govt doesn't believe. According to Liberia's reporting, the ETUs should be clearing out by this week. I'll forecast through from the last report (10/14) for a present bed projection, but I expect the model is going to show nearly empty ETUs - which is something that will run counter to what MSF is seeing right now. ETA: Extending the model to 10/22 based on last reported case rates from Liberia (6 new per day), they should have roughly 160 currently symptomatic people in all of Liberia ... if their government figures are to be believed. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 12:06:25 AM EDT
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I'm glad to hear she is getting better but I'm not quite as impressed with western medicine. The big decider seems to be how early you realize you have the Ebola and seek treatment. A little fever and you call in the bubble suits? You live, no problem. Puke on the sidewalk staggering your way to the ER? You are dead meat and you will do nothing but infect the ones trying to help you in your last days of spewing and squirting and sweating. Do us all a favor and put up some biohazard tape before you blow your brains out. Self immolation is preferred. my diagnosis :
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Posted: 10/22/2014 12:24:29 AM EDT
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The news is starting to come out about the guy in Newark, NJ... Looks like Ebola; throwing up blood.
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Posted: 10/22/2014 12:42:42 AM EDT
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Is that the pax from 10/4 or a new rumor? I see reports of a guy taken for med eval 10/21 but nothing about puking blood.
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Posted: 10/22/2014 1:07:25 AM EDT
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The news is starting to come out about the guy in Newark, NJ... Looks like Ebola; throwing up blood. Great. The worst case model shows 2.3 coming into the US in the past 21 days - but that would also mean that 24 ended up in Europe over the same time frame. I'm going to predict this case is not Ebola, based on the lack of proportional reports from Europe. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 1:57:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What did the $60+ Billion get spent on? Just like Katrina and NOLA, hundreds of millions given to NOLA over decades to prepare for hits by hurricanes and they didn't do sh*t with the money but waste it for jobs for relatives that never showed up to work. The CDC spent a lot of money on exactly what then when it comes to pandemics? . ETA Ariticle says ebola appeared to have infested in ducts to become airborne in Reston in 1989. http://www.naturalnews.com/047317_Ebola_Reston_airborne_transmission_USAMRIID.html Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bio- defence in this siuation has been a joke. From 2001 to 2011 over $60 Billion was spent. I don't see the health care system anywhere near ready to handle a pandemic of any type. Here is an interesting article from 2011. http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110907/full/477150a.html the problem with bio defense is in the grand scheme of national threats it has always been considered low. it has always been considered a local/regional issue as we don't have many highly infectious lethal diseases here in the grand scheme of things. the few cases a year we do have are dealt with within the local healthcare system ata county and state level. The Feds responsibility here is really more of a data collection and sharing portal as well as funding research. Bio gear degrades with time. it's not something you can stockpile and expect to pull out of storage 20 years later and use. suits dry rot, drugs expire etc. What did the $60+ Billion get spent on? Just like Katrina and NOLA, hundreds of millions given to NOLA over decades to prepare for hits by hurricanes and they didn't do sh*t with the money but waste it for jobs for relatives that never showed up to work. The CDC spent a lot of money on exactly what then when it comes to pandemics? . ETA Ariticle says ebola appeared to have infested in ducts to become airborne in Reston in 1989. http://www.naturalnews.com/047317_Ebola_Reston_airborne_transmission_USAMRIID.html |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 2:59:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's natural news, a wacky website, and they seem to be relying on the book The Hot Zone, which it seems was not 100% accurate. The monkeys were shipped and housed together in cages before arriving at the facility. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bio- defence in this siuation has been a joke. From 2001 to 2011 over $60 Billion was spent. I don't see the health care system anywhere near ready to handle a pandemic of any type. Here is an interesting article from 2011. http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110907/full/477150a.html the problem with bio defense is in the grand scheme of national threats it has always been considered low. it has always been considered a local/regional issue as we don't have many highly infectious lethal diseases here in the grand scheme of things. the few cases a year we do have are dealt with within the local healthcare system ata county and state level. The Feds responsibility here is really more of a data collection and sharing portal as well as funding research. Bio gear degrades with time. it's not something you can stockpile and expect to pull out of storage 20 years later and use. suits dry rot, drugs expire etc. What did the $60+ Billion get spent on? Just like Katrina and NOLA, hundreds of millions given to NOLA over decades to prepare for hits by hurricanes and they didn't do sh*t with the money but waste it for jobs for relatives that never showed up to work. The CDC spent a lot of money on exactly what then when it comes to pandemics? . ETA Ariticle says ebola appeared to have infested in ducts to become airborne in Reston in 1989. http://www.naturalnews.com/047317_Ebola_Reston_airborne_transmission_USAMRIID.html Natural News also does not exactly check out or verify their sources. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 3:30:54 AM EDT
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The Black Plague had monumental changes on the world, boosting the Renaissance era into areas that it probably would have never achieved without a similar devastating population eradication. This really makes you wonder if someone targeted Africa for population control, considering Al Gore's comments earlier this year (January). If it's coincidence that ebola broke out this year, it sure is convenient. Al Gore on African Population Problem Many don't realize that Planned Parenthood (you know, the pro-abortion organization) was started by leftist individuals who were proponents of Eugenics. I would like it if they rebranded to Democrat Control Inc. it might finally get abortion off of the republican platform, I never understand why they want more democrats in the country. 
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Posted: 10/22/2014 5:10:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No one mentioned the possible Ebola in New Jersey yet? Ya'll just want us to burn huh... http://www.northjersey.com/news/passenger-at-newark-airport-taken-to-hospital-for-ebola-evaluation-1.1114189 They took a flight from Liberia through Brussels... quarantined for Ebola symptoms. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 5:26:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just heard on the radio, along with two more possibles in Chicago. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No one mentioned the possible Ebola in New Jersey yet? Ya'll just want us to burn huh... http://www.northjersey.com/news/passenger-at-newark-airport-taken-to-hospital-for-ebola-evaluation-1.1114189 They took a flight from Liberia through Brussels... quarantined for Ebola symptoms. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 5:45:53 AM EDT
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No one mentioned the possible Ebola in New Jersey yet? Ya'll just want us to burn huh...
http://www.northjersey.com/news/passenger-at-newark-airport-taken-to-hospital-for-ebola-evaluation-1.1114189 They took a flight from Liberia through Brussels... quarantined for Ebola symptoms. Hyperbole. It's not that it won't catch any. It's that it won't catch all of them, or even half. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 6:25:08 AM EDT
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No one mentioned the possible Ebola in New Jersey yet? Ya'll just want us to burn huh...
http://www.northjersey.com/news/passenger-at-newark-airport-taken-to-hospital-for-ebola-evaluation-1.1114189 They took a flight from Liberia through Brussels... quarantined for Ebola symptoms. Hyperbole. It's not that it won't catch any. It's that it won't catch all of them, or even half. It appears they don't want too.
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Posted: 10/22/2014 6:43:22 AM EDT
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The 70% fatality rate may only apply to this outbreak in western Africa. So far the few (~ 6 or 7) Americans infected have all recovered or may be on the path to recovery. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why, because Western medicine hasn't figured out a way to instantly cure a virus with a 70% fatality rate? The 70% fatality rate may only apply to this outbreak in western Africa. So far the few (~ 6 or 7) Americans infected have all recovered or may be on the path to recovery. Perhaps due to...(drumroll)...Western Medicine!! |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 7:01:32 AM EDT
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Why, because Western medicine hasn't figured out a way to instantly cure a virus with a 70% fatality rate? The 70% fatality rate may only apply to this outbreak in western Africa. So far the few (~ 6 or 7) Americans infected have all recovered or may be on the path to recovery. Perhaps due to...(drumroll)...Western Medicine!! Or living conditions. Or general quality of health. Or cultural reactions to sickness. Or genetics. Quality of supportive care is doubtlessly a factor. But I would be cautious in concluding there are no other important factors. Keep in mind, Duncan didn't make it... He was treated by Western medicine. He was also Liberian. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 7:13:16 AM EDT
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Is that the pax from 10/4 or a new rumor? I see reports of a guy taken for med eval 10/21 but nothing about puking blood. New. They landed yesterday afternoon. As of 630am EST today, they're still in isolation. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 7:15:58 AM EDT
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What did the $60+ Billion get spent on? Just like Katrina and NOLA, hundreds of millions given to NOLA over decades to prepare for hits by hurricanes and they didn't do sh*t with the money but waste it for jobs for relatives that never showed up to work. The CDC spent a lot of money on exactly what then when it comes to pandemics? . ETA Ariticle says ebola appeared to have infested in ducts to become airborne in Reston in 1989. http://www.naturalnews.com/047317_Ebola_Reston_airborne_transmission_USAMRIID.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bio- defence in this siuation has been a joke. From 2001 to 2011 over $60 Billion was spent. I don't see the health care system anywhere near ready to handle a pandemic of any type. Here is an interesting article from 2011. http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110907/full/477150a.html the problem with bio defense is in the grand scheme of national threats it has always been considered low. it has always been considered a local/regional issue as we don't have many highly infectious lethal diseases here in the grand scheme of things. the few cases a year we do have are dealt with within the local healthcare system ata county and state level. The Feds responsibility here is really more of a data collection and sharing portal as well as funding research. Bio gear degrades with time. it's not something you can stockpile and expect to pull out of storage 20 years later and use. suits dry rot, drugs expire etc. What did the $60+ Billion get spent on? Just like Katrina and NOLA, hundreds of millions given to NOLA over decades to prepare for hits by hurricanes and they didn't do sh*t with the money but waste it for jobs for relatives that never showed up to work. The CDC spent a lot of money on exactly what then when it comes to pandemics? . ETA Ariticle says ebola appeared to have infested in ducts to become airborne in Reston in 1989. http://www.naturalnews.com/047317_Ebola_Reston_airborne_transmission_USAMRIID.html that has been debunked several times. reporting it continuously doesn't change that. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 7:20:13 AM EDT
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the screening is just that. if a person meets a set of criteria they go into QT for eval. that doesn't mean they have ebola.
first you guys are screaming nothing is being done, then when people are identified as a possibility you panic with "look at all these ebola cases flying in". so far we have ZERO cases in the wild here even with duncan being infectious outside the hospital. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 7:38:37 AM EDT
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The news is starting to come out about the guy in Newark, NJ... Looks like Ebola; throwing up blood. Great. So soon? That would be bad. Any reports he puked on the aircraft? |
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