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Posted: 9/26/2014 10:46:28 AM EDT
I thought the F-35 was supposed to be the cheap fighter?
Are low cost fighters a solution for future battles? With a price tag of $20 million, the Textron AirLand Scorpion is an inexpensive option in tactical aircraft. While $20 million is no paltry sum – it’s still approximately 80 percent less than the pricetag for current fighter aircraft like the F-35.  |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 10:57:23 AM EDT
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Would be nice to see someone other than LM or Boeing making fighters for a change.
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:02:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:04:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:04:26 AM EDT
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That thing is DOA on the market.
It does nothing a Super Tucano, or F/A-50 can't do better in their respective fields. |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:05:26 AM EDT
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I always wonder about video's like that. Several million people will see that video by the time the internet is done looking at it, but in reality there are maybe 3 or 4 people in the world that have the actual authority to buy the aircraft and plan around their incorporation with our current military.
South America should love them. |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:08:00 AM EDT
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I'd be more interested in the AT-6 program.
None of these light attack planes are going to make it into the U.S. inventory any time soon, though. |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:08:29 AM EDT
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Why do they make the videos so goddamned jerky? [curmudgeon mode off]
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:09:21 AM EDT
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But... but... its not....sexy!
It can't fly supersonic. Its not important enough for my career. Bottom Line: I can't get laid with that fashion accessory. |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:10:07 AM EDT
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How in heck is that a fighter? Its just a trainer with hard points.
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:12:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How in heck is that a fighter? Its just a trainer with hard points. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:17:41 AM EDT
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If that's a "fighter jet" there are going to be some really short "future battles".
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:20:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that's a "fighter jet" there are going to be some really short "future battles". |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:20:35 AM EDT
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If only there was an amazing low-cost and extraordinarily versatile plane already flying...
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:21:23 AM EDT
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High, straight wing? No one will buy it. esp not the USAF
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:23:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: Are low cost fighters a solution for future battles? Unmanned fighters are considered the future for US fighters. |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:24:22 AM EDT
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How much does a BAE Hawk cost?
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:24:56 AM EDT
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Looks like they are targeting the export market, not US .mil |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:26:00 AM EDT
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How much does a BAE Hawk cost? Looks like low 20s to low 30s, depending if we're talking a single seat with radar, 2-seat trainer, etc. |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:26:38 AM EDT
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450 knots? What a joke
ETA and entry level Gulf stream business jet will smoke that thing |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:27:07 AM EDT
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Looks like low 20s to low 30s, depending if we're talking a single seat with radar, 2-seat trainer, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much does a BAE Hawk cost? Looks like low 20s to low 30s, depending if we're talking a single seat with radar, 2-seat trainer, etc. How does that compare to the Yakolev? Seems like they're all designed for the same niche. |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:27:17 AM EDT
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Boeing is reportedly considering getting out of the piloted fighter jet industry if that tells you anything.
Drones are the future of warfare, lightly supplemented by piloted planes. My two cents. |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:28:03 AM EDT
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maybe north Korea (best Korea) can afford one.
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:30:06 AM EDT
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How does that compare to the Yakolev? Seems like they're all designed for the same niche. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much does a BAE Hawk cost? Looks like low 20s to low 30s, depending if we're talking a single seat with radar, 2-seat trainer, etc. How does that compare to the Yakolev? Seems like they're all designed for the same niche. About 15 a pop for those. Israel is going to be using them (well, the Eye-talian version), so who knows what is in store for long-term development. 
ETA: Russia, your planes look great in normal, somber paint schemes. Don't slap that gaudy-fuck aero-camo you seem to love on everything. Come on. 
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:31:00 AM EDT
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I enjoy people saying "Drones are the FUTURE!!!!" at the same time every *nix user on the planet is rebuilding their BASH because of the Shellshock exploit. |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:31:11 AM EDT
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Why do they make the videos so goddamned jerky? [curmudgeon mode off] I'm right there with you. I'm tired of this annoying editing style. |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:33:56 AM EDT
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About 15 a pop for those. Israel is going to be using them (well, the Eye-talian version), so who knows what is in store for long-term development. http://i.imgur.com/3B18GqO.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much does a BAE Hawk cost? Looks like low 20s to low 30s, depending if we're talking a single seat with radar, 2-seat trainer, etc. How does that compare to the Yakolev? Seems like they're all designed for the same niche. About 15 a pop for those. Israel is going to be using them (well, the Eye-talian version), so who knows what is in store for long-term development. http://i.imgur.com/3B18GqO.jpg Sounds like the Russians/Italians have a head start then. The whole segment is centered on being low-cost, and they offer the cheapest alternative. If the Izzies buy them, there's sure to be plenty of aftermarket upgrades developed as well. |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:40:10 AM EDT
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Sounds like the Russians/Italians have a head start then. The whole segment is centered on being low-cost, and they offer the cheapest alternative. If the Izzies buy them, there's sure to be plenty of aftermarket upgrades developed as well. And the same Aermacchi M-346 is being pimped via General Dynamics as the T-38 replacement. Which would be hilarious to have a Russian aircraft as our next primary trainer. |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:53:01 AM EDT
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I have a serious question. Since we have nukes and a pretty big damn navy and some F-22's, the chance that another country starting shit with us is pretty low. Then if our main issue right now is people like ISIS and their low tech weaponry, why don't we focus a lot of time developing aircraft, vehicles and ordinance for those situations? What one day radical islam is just going to vanish? I don't think so.
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Posted: 9/26/2014 12:00:56 PM EDT
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The last true "Lo" in the "Hi-Lo" idea of fighter airframes was the A4 (not really a fighter).
The US doesnt want simple and cheap. They want the F35 
That scorpion looks like a small F14 with its wings fully extended. |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 12:03:14 PM EDT
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I have a serious question. Since we have nukes and a pretty big damn navy and some F-22's, the chance that another country starting shit with us is pretty low. Then if our main issue right now is people like ISIS and their low tech weaponry, why don't we focus a lot of time developing aircraft, vehicles and ordinance for those situations? What one day radical islam is just going to vanish? I don't think so. Speaking of nukes... |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 12:03:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The last true "Lo" in the "Hi-Lo" idea of fighter airframes was the A4 (not really a fighter). The US doesnt want simple and cheap. They want the F35 Why put the flights hours on F-22s fighting ISIS? |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 12:11:25 PM EDT
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Looks like a Cessna.
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Posted: 9/26/2014 12:15:07 PM EDT
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Correct me if I'm wrong .....but aren't drones supposed to be unmanned?
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Posted: 9/26/2014 12:15:55 PM EDT
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You only need low cost units if you're planning to zerg rush.  |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 12:28:21 PM EDT
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Looks like a Cessna. Uh, it kind of is... |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 12:29:30 PM EDT
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Uh, it kind of is... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks like a Cessna. Uh, it kind of is... 
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Posted: 9/26/2014 12:37:08 PM EDT
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Scorpion will join the fray for selection. Waiting on performance results |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 12:44:58 PM EDT
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What does it do better than the F-18?
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Posted: 9/26/2014 12:51:30 PM EDT
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Isn't the F16 still being produced? Not to mention all the other current models mentioned above...
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Posted: 9/26/2014 12:54:52 PM EDT
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Could these be converted to fighter status ?
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Posted: 9/26/2014 12:55:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/26/2014 1:08:57 PM EDT
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I enjoy people saying "Drones are the FUTURE!!!!" at the same time every *nix user on the planet is rebuilding their BASH because of the Shellshock exploit. I've always wondered, in case of a war with a major power and a large part of your air power is drones, how do you KNOW on the first day of the war all of your drones won't fall out of the air because you've been hacked???? |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 1:14:42 PM EDT
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I thought the F-35 was supposed to be the cheap fighter? http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/09/25/scorpion-low-cost-fighter-jet-for-future-battles/?intcmp=obnetwork Are low cost fighters a solution for future battles? With a price tag of $20 million, the Textron AirLand Scorpion is an inexpensive option in tactical aircraft. While $20 million is no paltry sum – it’s still approximately 80 percent less than the pricetag for current fighter aircraft like the F-35.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2KPCYD6JW0
It's aimed at the T-X contract. Might win, too. The F-20 was an attempt to use capitalism to bring a low cost light weight export fighter to the market and was summarily killed by the US State Department and the Defense Department in what boils down to a bait and switch. Everyone is trying to guess whether the "real" T-X RFP will require a supersonic airplane; they're betting that it should, if it's to be a replacement for the T-38, but who the hell knows what will happen these days. |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 1:16:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's aimed at the T-X contract. Might win, too. The F-20 was an attempt to use capitalism to bring a low cost light weight export fighter to the market and was summarily killed by the US State Department and the Defense Department in what boils down to a bait and switch. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I thought the F-35 was supposed to be the cheap fighter? http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/09/25/scorpion-low-cost-fighter-jet-for-future-battles/?intcmp=obnetwork Are low cost fighters a solution for future battles? With a price tag of $20 million, the Textron AirLand Scorpion is an inexpensive option in tactical aircraft. While $20 million is no paltry sum – it’s still approximately 80 percent less than the pricetag for current fighter aircraft like the F-35. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2KPCYD6JW0It's aimed at the T-X contract. Might win, too. The F-20 was an attempt to use capitalism to bring a low cost light weight export fighter to the market and was summarily killed by the US State Department and the Defense Department in what boils down to a bait and switch. |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 1:17:41 PM EDT
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maybe north Korea (best Korea) can afford one. Five O'Clock Charlie approves this message. |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 1:18:28 PM EDT
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How much does a BAE Hawk cost? More than they are worth, they're about as crappy an airplane as can be found. |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 1:20:21 PM EDT
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More than they are worth, they're about as crappy an airplane as can be found. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much does a BAE Hawk cost? More than they are worth, they're about as crappy an airplane as can be found. Another British C- product that had to go to St. Louis to be fixed. |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 1:20:48 PM EDT
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About 15 a pop for those. Israel is going to be using them (well, the Eye-talian version), so who knows what is in store for long-term development. http://i.imgur.com/3B18GqO.jpg ETA: Russia, your planes look great in normal, somber paint schemes. Don't slap that gaudy-fuck aero-camo you seem to love on everything. Come on. http://i58.tinypic.com/a0xy1h.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much does a BAE Hawk cost? Looks like low 20s to low 30s, depending if we're talking a single seat with radar, 2-seat trainer, etc. How does that compare to the Yakolev? Seems like they're all designed for the same niche. About 15 a pop for those. Israel is going to be using them (well, the Eye-talian version), so who knows what is in store for long-term development. http://i.imgur.com/3B18GqO.jpg ETA: Russia, your planes look great in normal, somber paint schemes. Don't slap that gaudy-fuck aero-camo you seem to love on everything. Come on. http://i58.tinypic.com/a0xy1h.jpg F-16/Hawk lovechild? |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 1:21:23 PM EDT
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I've always wondered, in case of a war with a major power and a large part of your air power is drones, how do you KNOW on the first day of the war all of your drones won't fall out of the air because you've been hacked???? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I enjoy people saying "Drones are the FUTURE!!!!" at the same time every *nix user on the planet is rebuilding their BASH because of the Shellshock exploit. I've always wondered, in case of a war with a major power and a large part of your air power is drones, how do you KNOW on the first day of the war all of your drones won't fall out of the air because you've been hacked???? Supply chain integrity is a bitch. |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 1:22:16 PM EDT
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T-X Program: http://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/TXTrainer/Pages/default.aspx http://aviationweek.com/defense/boeing-and-saab-propose-gripen-t-x Scorpion: http://www.scorpionjet.com/ The Boeing-Saab airplane might have some Gripen parts, I don't believe the airplane will be a straight up Gripen. Could be wrong. |
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