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Posted: 9/22/2014 1:49:32 PM EDT
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Castle doctrine does not mean what you think it means... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In CT we actually have a castle doctrine, no jail time as long as it is in your home, although you still may need to deal with a civil aspect of it all. Outside of your home is a totally different story. Castle doctrine does not mean what you think it means... Please enlighten me...while I know anyone in CT or almost any other state would get sent to the slammer for anything that resembles an execution or "anchor shot" we are covered for protecting are selves and property. ETA: Quoted:
Completely hypothetical You are home invaded and get the drop on a perp. You shoot him and put him down - as you go past to save your dag and kid in the other room you see the perp move slightly. Do you perform an anchor shot as you go past and risk the wrath of the DA presenting you as cold blooded killer or pass him without doing that and hope he doesn't shoot you in the back? I am kind of a put down/stay down kind of guy. Had this convo today with a co-worker - In CT an anchor shot would probably land you in jail (hell a good defensive shoot probably will anyway since that's a dem voter taken off the rolls) but here in TX I get the feeling you would get a handshake from the sheriff and a medal. I was correcting this statement btw. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 1:50:39 PM EDT
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Around here....the worst thing I can think of is an added abuse of a corpse charge.....
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Posted: 9/22/2014 1:51:19 PM EDT
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I thought a shot of anchor chain was 90 ft? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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An anchor shot - an entire 66 foot long shot of chain from a typical Navy ship is going to run about 75 tons and if you're strong enough to drop that on a guy you've got no worries about being prostituted by any jury made up of humans. Single perp? I'm not taking my gun off the cranial cavity for any reason until the cops come by to relieve me. I thought a shot of anchor chain was 90 ft? Yeah typo ...
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Posted: 9/22/2014 1:55:42 PM EDT
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Shoot to slide lock, then reload. Rinse, repeat as necessary if target is still moving. None of this "Shoot twice and check". You shoot until you are sure the threat is stopped. And frankly, if 19+1 rds isn't sufficient, well hopefully by then he'll leak out as I then casually talk to the 911 operator into sending a meat truck. That sounds like a bad idea. You honestly think that 20 rounds is needed to negate most threats? What if there are two more bad guys outside ready to come in just as you empty the magazine and another magazine is not handy? |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 1:55:47 PM EDT
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This thread is right up there with having 3 different types of cartridges in your shotgun. It's not, really, although he explained the situation poorly. Three armed robbers enter your home. One of them separates you from your kid. You get an opportunity to shoot your guy. You realize that he's still moving as you go to deal with the ones who have your kid. I like to think I'd order the one I just shot not to move and clear him for weapons, but that's a fantasy. You just announced your armed presence to the other two. They know that something went wrong. At least one shot was fired. Maybe they'll run, or maybe they'll investigate. Maybe they'll hurt the kid and then run. Awful situation. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 2:03:04 PM EDT
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Better question is: Do you drag this bleeding scumbag outside, or let him bleed all over your carpet. Moving the body probably isn't the best idea from a criminal investigation stand point... but damn, I got nice carpet! I am not a lawyer but there is no way I am tampering with evidence unless there is some safety related reason to do so. He has a vest of dynamite and the LED clock is ticking down to zero. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 2:04:58 PM EDT
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It's not, really, although he explained the situation poorly. Three armed robbers enter your home. One of them separates you from your kid. You get an opportunity to shoot your guy. You realize that he's still moving as you go to deal with the ones who have your kid. I like to think I'd order the one I just shot not to move and clear him for weapons, but that's a fantasy. You just announced your armed presence to the other two. They know that something went wrong. At least one shot was fired. Maybe they'll run, or maybe they'll investigate. Maybe they'll hurt the kid and then run. Awful situation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread is right up there with having 3 different types of cartridges in your shotgun. It's not, really, although he explained the situation poorly. Three armed robbers enter your home. One of them separates you from your kid. You get an opportunity to shoot your guy. You realize that he's still moving as you go to deal with the ones who have your kid. I like to think I'd order the one I just shot not to move and clear him for weapons, but that's a fantasy. You just announced your armed presence to the other two. They know that something went wrong. At least one shot was fired. Maybe they'll run, or maybe they'll investigate. Maybe they'll hurt the kid and then run. Awful situation. Same conversation about active shooters. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 2:07:36 PM EDT
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Modern forensics can be a bitch.
Modern pathology can be a bitch when done by a well trained/experienced doctor. Video/audio can be a bitch (like your spouse being on the phone with 911, that you weren't aware of when you pop him again). Witnesses can be a bitch (co-defendants, neighbors, spouse, kids, guests). Know the law, know your rights, be ethical with the decisions you make. Base your defense on the law and telling the truth and you will be far less likely to be in trouble in the first place and if you were charged, the truth tends not to fall apart when ballistics, forensics, pathology evidence and witness accounts start to come in. The truth also doesn't generally unravel on the stand. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 2:10:38 PM EDT
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That sounds like a bad idea. You honestly think that 20 rounds is needed to negate most threats? What if there are two more bad guys outside ready to come in just as you empty the magazine and another magazine is not handy? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shoot to slide lock, then reload. Rinse, repeat as necessary if target is still moving. None of this "Shoot twice and check". You shoot until you are sure the threat is stopped. And frankly, if 19+1 rds isn't sufficient, well hopefully by then he'll leak out as I then casually talk to the 911 operator into sending a meat truck. That sounds like a bad idea. You honestly think that 20 rounds is needed to negate most threats? What if there are two more bad guys outside ready to come in just as you empty the magazine and another magazine is not handy? Gun holds 20 rds. I'd rather be prepared than not. Same rule would apply if it was a 1911... Shoot to slide lock, reload. If the threat has stopped at 5 rds (he legs it)? Terrific, I've got two left in the mag. Still going to reload in case he comes back. It's foolish to pause shooting until the threat is stopped completely or I have to reload. "Oh I didn't want to possibly waste some bullets!" Sorry, my life is worth more than a couple bucks worth of copper and lead. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 3:38:42 PM EDT
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lol This is your go to response for a lot of things, isn't it? |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 3:43:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is your go to response for a lot of things, isn't it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: lol This is your go to response for a lot of things, isn't it? |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 3:45:10 PM EDT
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He was reaching for a weapon. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:04:26 PM EDT
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I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Shoot until threat is over regardless.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:07:40 PM EDT
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Something something never leave a live enemy behind you something something...
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:10:49 PM EDT
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Don't be this guy. If he stopped at step 4, he would have been ok. See how that works?
http://gawker.com/5806220/where-does-self-defense-end-killer-of-robber-convicted-of-murder In May of 2009, Oklahoma City pharmacist Jerome Ersland was at work when two teenagers came in to rob his store. What happens is caught on the surveillance video above: 1. Two teens burst into the store, one of them waving a gun. 2. Ersland shoots at them. The one with the gun runs out the door; the other is hit and falls. 3. Ersland exits the store in pursuit of the fleeing robber. Failing to catch him, he comes back into the store. 4. Ersland walks back behind the counter and retrieves a second gun. 5. Ersland walks back to where the fallen robber is, leans down, and shoots him multiple times, killing him. Yesterday, Ersland was found guilty of first-degree murder. He faces life in prison. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:10:57 PM EDT
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Same conversation about active shooters. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread is right up there with having 3 different types of cartridges in your shotgun. It's not, really, although he explained the situation poorly. Three armed robbers enter your home. One of them separates you from your kid. You get an opportunity to shoot your guy. You realize that he's still moving as you go to deal with the ones who have your kid. I like to think I'd order the one I just shot not to move and clear him for weapons, but that's a fantasy. You just announced your armed presence to the other two. They know that something went wrong. At least one shot was fired. Maybe they'll run, or maybe they'll investigate. Maybe they'll hurt the kid and then run. Awful situation. Same conversation about active shooters. Interesting. I think I'd treat active shooter/killers as more of a warfare situation. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:19:42 PM EDT
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"Anchor shot" didn't work out well for a pharmacist in Oklahoma...
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:28:19 PM EDT
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It's not, really, although he explained the situation poorly. Three armed robbers enter your home. One of them separates you from your kid. You get an opportunity to shoot your guy. You realize that he's still moving as you go to deal with the ones who have your kid. I like to think I'd order the one I just shot not to move and clear him for weapons, but that's a fantasy. You just announced your armed presence to the other two. They know that something went wrong. At least one shot was fired. Maybe they'll run, or maybe they'll investigate. Maybe they'll hurt the kid and then run. Awful situation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread is right up there with having 3 different types of cartridges in your shotgun. It's not, really, although he explained the situation poorly. Three armed robbers enter your home. One of them separates you from your kid. You get an opportunity to shoot your guy. You realize that he's still moving as you go to deal with the ones who have your kid. I like to think I'd order the one I just shot not to move and clear him for weapons, but that's a fantasy. You just announced your armed presence to the other two. They know that something went wrong. At least one shot was fired. Maybe they'll run, or maybe they'll investigate. Maybe they'll hurt the kid and then run. Awful situation. Please cite an example of a real case where anything like that has ever happened, because it seems like this whole premise is based on too many action movies and SOF magazine articles. As far as I know even swat teams do not use anchor shots, when would they ever be needed in a home invasion scenario? If the guy is on the ground and is still a threat, shoot him. That's not the same as putting another one into him "just in case". Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:34:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Anchor shot" didn't work out well for a pharmacist in Oklahoma... Yup. He's not having a good time there either, sounds like dude is in a lot of pain, mentally and physically: http://newsok.com/convicted-murderer-jerome-ersland-pleads-guilty-to-possession-of-contraband/article/3955377 "Jerome Ersland, who is serving a life sentence for killing Antwun Parker, 16, during a robbery attempt at an Oklahoma City pharmacy in 2009, received two years more in prison Monday after he was found guilty of having fentanyl in prison." |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:40:21 PM EDT
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The OP should of mag dumped on the perp to start with.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:56:22 PM EDT
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Please enlighten me...while I know anyone in CT or almost any other state would get sent to the slammer for anything that resembles an execution or "anchor shot" we are covered for protecting are selves and property. ETA: I was correcting this statement btw. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In CT we actually have a castle doctrine, no jail time as long as it is in your home, although you still may need to deal with a civil aspect of it all. Outside of your home is a totally different story. Castle doctrine does not mean what you think it means... Please enlighten me...while I know anyone in CT or almost any other state would get sent to the slammer for anything that resembles an execution or "anchor shot" we are covered for protecting are selves and property. ETA: Quoted:
Completely hypothetical You are home invaded and get the drop on a perp. You shoot him and put him down - as you go past to save your dag and kid in the other room you see the perp move slightly. Do you perform an anchor shot as you go past and risk the wrath of the DA presenting you as cold blooded killer or pass him without doing that and hope he doesn't shoot you in the back? I am kind of a put down/stay down kind of guy. Had this convo today with a co-worker - In CT an anchor shot would probably land you in jail (hell a good defensive shoot probably will anyway since that's a dem voter taken off the rolls) but here in TX I get the feeling you would get a handshake from the sheriff and a medal. I was correcting this statement btw. My guess is that he is referring to the fact that the "castle law" in CT acts as an affirmative defense rather than a perfect defense since it does not include a rebuttable presumption that you were in fear for your life when you applied deadly force. See Conn. Gen. Stat. 53a-19 ETA: Compare that to the Florida statute that is on point. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 8:48:01 PM EDT
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Please cite an example of a real case where anything like that has ever happened, because it seems like this whole premise is based on too many action movies and SOF magazine articles. As far as I know even swat teams do not use anchor shots, when would they ever be needed in a home invasion scenario? If the guy is on the ground and is still a threat, shoot him. That's not the same as putting another one into him "just in case". Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread is right up there with having 3 different types of cartridges in your shotgun. It's not, really, although he explained the situation poorly. Three armed robbers enter your home. One of them separates you from your kid. You get an opportunity to shoot your guy. You realize that he's still moving as you go to deal with the ones who have your kid. I like to think I'd order the one I just shot not to move and clear him for weapons, but that's a fantasy. You just announced your armed presence to the other two. They know that something went wrong. At least one shot was fired. Maybe they'll run, or maybe they'll investigate. Maybe they'll hurt the kid and then run. Awful situation. Please cite an example of a real case where anything like that has ever happened, because it seems like this whole premise is based on too many action movies and SOF magazine articles. As far as I know even swat teams do not use anchor shots, when would they ever be needed in a home invasion scenario? If the guy is on the ground and is still a threat, shoot him. That's not the same as putting another one into him "just in case". Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The thread began with the statement that it's completely hypothetical. Regarding SWAT teams, they're not comparable. It's not their kid and there's more than one of them. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 9:05:36 PM EDT
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Please enlighten me...while I know anyone in CT or almost any other state would get sent to the slammer for anything that resembles an execution or "anchor shot" we are covered for protecting are selves and property. ETA: I was correcting this statement btw. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In CT we actually have a castle doctrine, no jail time as long as it is in your home, although you still may need to deal with a civil aspect of it all. Outside of your home is a totally different story. Castle doctrine does not mean what you think it means... Please enlighten me...while I know anyone in CT or almost any other state would get sent to the slammer for anything that resembles an execution or "anchor shot" we are covered for protecting are selves and property. ETA: Quoted:
Completely hypothetical You are home invaded and get the drop on a perp. You shoot him and put him down - as you go past to save your dag and kid in the other room you see the perp move slightly. Do you perform an anchor shot as you go past and risk the wrath of the DA presenting you as cold blooded killer or pass him without doing that and hope he doesn't shoot you in the back? I am kind of a put down/stay down kind of guy. Had this convo today with a co-worker - In CT an anchor shot would probably land you in jail (hell a good defensive shoot probably will anyway since that's a dem voter taken off the rolls) but here in TX I get the feeling you would get a handshake from the sheriff and a medal. I was correcting this statement btw. Thought you were responding to the primary point of the OP, i.e., "anchor shots." Nevermind, then. 
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Posted: 9/22/2014 9:07:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/22/2014 9:21:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I have to fire at all, I'm not stopping until I'm absolutely sure they are good and dead. All my neighbors will hear is a single string of shots, and nothing else until they hear police sirens. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 9:22:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: your answer is " I want to talk to my lawyer." don't talk about all the cool tactics you read about on line. don't tell them about how you watch strikeback with a boner and dream about being that cool save your family the best way you can, shut your damn mouth and let your lawyer do his job. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 9:30:01 PM EDT
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"Anchor shot" didn't work out well for a pharmacist in Oklahoma... He was a fool imho. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 9:39:09 PM EDT
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that's what bayonets are for .....
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Posted: 9/22/2014 10:48:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Modern forensics can be a bitch. Modern pathology can be a bitch when done by a well trained/experienced doctor. Video/audio can be a bitch (like your spouse being on the phone with 911, that you weren't aware of when you pop him again). Witnesses can be a bitch (co-defendants, neighbors, spouse, kids, guests). Know the law, know your rights, be ethical with the decisions you make. Base your defense on the law and telling the truth and you will be far less likely to be in trouble in the first place and if you were charged, the truth tends not to fall apart when ballistics, forensics, pathology evidence and witness accounts start to come in. The truth also doesn't generally unravel on the stand. "Ethics" as applied to armed home invaders? To me it simply does not apply. The only thing that does apply is my desire to see them dead tempered by my desire not to go to prison. In other words, if I knew I could get away with it I'd shoot every single one of them repeatedly until I was absolutely sure they were stone fucking dead. That's my ethics as applied to that particular kind of scumbag. Because sooner or later they will kill someone. Best to stop them while you can. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:06:29 PM EDT
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I had no idea you guys in CT had castle doctrine. I will eat crow over my first comment/ reply. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In CT we actually have a castle doctrine, no jail time as long as it is in your home, although you still may need to deal with a civil aspect of it all. Outside of your home is a totally different story. I had no idea you guys in CT had castle doctrine. I will eat crow over my first comment/ reply. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Oh the politicians and taxes suck plus the Sport rifle and mag restrictions But we shoot a muthafucker up in here And for some weird twist full auto and suppressors are good So we all got suppressed UZIs with ten round mags |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:08:21 PM EDT
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Completely hypothetical You are home invaded and get the drop on a perp. You shoot him and put him down - as you go past to save your dag and kid in the other room you see the perp move slightly. Do you perform an anchor shot as you go past and risk the wrath of the DA presenting you as cold blooded killer or pass him without doing that and hope he doesn't shoot you in the back? I am kind of a put down/stay down kind of guy. Had this convo today with a co-worker - In CT an anchor shot would probably land you in jail (hell a good defensive shoot probably will anyway since that's a dem voter taken off the rolls) but here in TX I get the feeling you would get a handshake from the sheriff and a medal. http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/04/29/closing-arguments-tuesday-in-little-falls-murder-trial/ LITTLE FALLS, Minn. (AP/WCCO) — The Little Falls, Minn., man who shot and killed two teenagers after they broke into his home was found guilty Tuesday of premeditated murder.
Smith says, “You’re dying,” followed soon by the sound of another gunshot, which investigators said Smith described as “a good, clean finishing shot.” Al Franken go figure |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:38:24 PM EDT
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Interesting. I think I'd treat active shooter/killers as more of a warfare situation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Same conversation about active shooters. Interesting. I think I'd treat active shooter/killers as more of a warfare situation. iirc during an active shooter event every 15 seconds another person is killed so taking time dealing with one shooter another is killing. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:40:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He was a fool imho. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "Anchor shot" didn't work out well for a pharmacist in Oklahoma... He was a fool imho. yup, stupid, stupid, stupid, split second decision. |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 12:16:12 AM EDT
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If you have time to think then you are no longer in immediate fear of great bodily harm.
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Posted: 9/23/2014 12:18:31 AM EDT
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"Ethics" as applied to armed home invaders? To me it simply does not apply. The only thing that does apply is my desire to see them dead tempered by my desire not to go to prison. In other words, if I knew I could get away with it I'd shoot every single one of them repeatedly until I was absolutely sure they were stone fucking dead. That's my ethics as applied to that particular kind of scumbag. Because sooner or later they will kill someone. Best to stop them while you can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Modern forensics can be a bitch. Modern pathology can be a bitch when done by a well trained/experienced doctor. Video/audio can be a bitch (like your spouse being on the phone with 911, that you weren't aware of when you pop him again). Witnesses can be a bitch (co-defendants, neighbors, spouse, kids, guests). Know the law, know your rights, be ethical with the decisions you make. Base your defense on the law and telling the truth and you will be far less likely to be in trouble in the first place and if you were charged, the truth tends not to fall apart when ballistics, forensics, pathology evidence and witness accounts start to come in. The truth also doesn't generally unravel on the stand. "Ethics" as applied to armed home invaders? To me it simply does not apply. The only thing that does apply is my desire to see them dead tempered by my desire not to go to prison. In other words, if I knew I could get away with it I'd shoot every single one of them repeatedly until I was absolutely sure they were stone fucking dead. That's my ethics as applied to that particular kind of scumbag. Because sooner or later they will kill someone. Best to stop them while you can. Exhibit 1... |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 12:22:57 AM EDT
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Clear his ass of a weapon and put him in cuffs... even if his head is already a canoe.
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Posted: 9/23/2014 12:23:52 AM EDT
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This is your go to response for a lot of things, isn't it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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lol This is your go to response for a lot of things, isn't it? It's often the most appropriate response. |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 12:40:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This thread is right up there with having 3 different types of cartridges in your shotgun. You only have 3 different rounds of ammo in your shotgun? I run 4 different types of ammo in my home defense shotgun. First I rack the slide and that usually causes them to shit themselves and run for the hills. If that doesn't work I always carry the follow rounds in my HD shotgun. 1. Birdshot (because it will not go through doors) 2. 00 Buck (in case the perp is hiding behind a door) 3. Bouncy Balls (because who doesn't love little rubber balls pinballing through your house at 2 am?) (bonus points for glow in the dark ones because they look like tracers bouncing off my walls. 4. Dragon's Breath (cuz fuck it if the perp has not left my residents yet I am just gonna burn the whole motherfucking place down right meow. I need my sleep and I don't got time to wait around and shoot nobody) |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 12:42:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Completely hypothetical You are home invaded and get the drop on a perp. You shoot him and put him down - as you go past to save your dag and kid in the other room you see the perp move slightly. Do you perform an anchor shot as you go past and risk the wrath of the DA presenting you as cold blooded killer or pass him without doing that and hope he doesn't shoot you in the back? I am kind of a put down/stay down kind of guy. Had this convo today with a co-worker - In CT an anchor shot would probably land you in jail (hell a good defensive shoot probably will anyway since that's a dem voter taken off the rolls) but here in TX I get the feeling you would get a handshake from the sheriff and a medal. http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/04/29/closing-arguments-tuesday-in-little-falls-murder-trial/ LITTLE FALLS, Minn. (AP/WCCO) — The Little Falls, Minn., man who shot and killed two teenagers after they broke into his home was found guilty Tuesday of premeditated murder. Smith says, "You’re dying,” followed soon by the sound of another gunshot, which investigators said Smith described as "a good, clean finishing shot.” I was going to post that, anchor shot = prison time |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 1:06:16 AM EDT
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You only have 3 different rounds of ammo in your shotgun? I run 4 different types of ammo in my home defense shotgun. First I rack the slide and that usually causes them to shit themselves and run for the hills. If that doesn't work I always carry the follow rounds in my HD shotgun. 1. Birdshot (because it will not go through doors) 2. 00 Buck (in case the perp is hiding behind a door) 3. Bouncy Balls (because who doesn't love little rubber balls pinballing through your house at 2 am?) (bonus points for glow in the dark ones because they look like tracers bouncing off my walls. 4. Dragon's Breath (cuz fuck it if the perp has not left my residents yet I am just gonna burn the whole motherfucking place down right meow. I need my sleep and I don't got time to wait around and shoot nobody) Click To View Spoiler 
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This thread is right up there with having 3 different types of cartridges in your shotgun. You only have 3 different rounds of ammo in your shotgun? I run 4 different types of ammo in my home defense shotgun. First I rack the slide and that usually causes them to shit themselves and run for the hills. If that doesn't work I always carry the follow rounds in my HD shotgun. 1. Birdshot (because it will not go through doors) 2. 00 Buck (in case the perp is hiding behind a door) 3. Bouncy Balls (because who doesn't love little rubber balls pinballing through your house at 2 am?) (bonus points for glow in the dark ones because they look like tracers bouncing off my walls. 4. Dragon's Breath (cuz fuck it if the perp has not left my residents yet I am just gonna burn the whole motherfucking place down right meow. I need my sleep and I don't got time to wait around and shoot nobody) Click To View Spoiler
Pft, you're not doing it right unless you have anti-sniper flechettes. |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 1:07:33 AM EDT
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I decline to respond. Sh*t can haunt you later on.
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Posted: 9/23/2014 1:08:54 AM EDT
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He was reaching for a weapon. /Thread |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 5:14:43 AM EDT
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"Ethics" as applied to armed home invaders? To me it simply does not apply. The only thing that does apply is my desire to see them dead tempered by my desire not to go to prison. In other words, if I knew I could get away with it I'd shoot every single one of them repeatedly until I was absolutely sure they were stone fucking dead. That's my ethics as applied to that particular kind of scumbag. Because sooner or later they will kill someone. Best to stop them while you can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Modern forensics can be a bitch. Modern pathology can be a bitch when done by a well trained/experienced doctor. Video/audio can be a bitch (like your spouse being on the phone with 911, that you weren't aware of when you pop him again). Witnesses can be a bitch (co-defendants, neighbors, spouse, kids, guests). Know the law, know your rights, be ethical with the decisions you make. Base your defense on the law and telling the truth and you will be far less likely to be in trouble in the first place and if you were charged, the truth tends not to fall apart when ballistics, forensics, pathology evidence and witness accounts start to come in. The truth also doesn't generally unravel on the stand. "Ethics" as applied to armed home invaders? To me it simply does not apply. The only thing that does apply is my desire to see them dead tempered by my desire not to go to prison. In other words, if I knew I could get away with it I'd shoot every single one of them repeatedly until I was absolutely sure they were stone fucking dead. That's my ethics as applied to that particular kind of scumbag. Because sooner or later they will kill someone. Best to stop them while you can. OK I hear what you are saying but.... like in OP "you shoot and you put him down" now you walk over to him and he moves slightly (perhaps an involuntary movement) - no gun, no weapon of any kind around him, he's not a threat ... would you really hover over him and pop him again? |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 5:48:05 AM EDT
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You only have 3 different rounds of ammo in your shotgun? I run 4 different types of ammo in my home defense shotgun. First I rack the slide and that usually causes them to shit themselves and run for the hills. If that doesn't work I always carry the follow rounds in my HD shotgun. 1. Birdshot (because it will not go through doors) 2. 00 Buck (in case the perp is hiding behind a door) 3. Bouncy Balls (because who doesn't love little rubber balls pinballing through your house at 2 am?) (bonus points for glow in the dark ones because they look like tracers bouncing off my walls. 4. Dragon's Breath (cuz fuck it if the perp has not left my residents yet I am just gonna burn the whole motherfucking place down right meow. I need my sleep and I don't got time to wait around and shoot nobody) Click To View Spoiler
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This thread is right up there with having 3 different types of cartridges in your shotgun. You only have 3 different rounds of ammo in your shotgun? I run 4 different types of ammo in my home defense shotgun. First I rack the slide and that usually causes them to shit themselves and run for the hills. If that doesn't work I always carry the follow rounds in my HD shotgun. 1. Birdshot (because it will not go through doors) 2. 00 Buck (in case the perp is hiding behind a door) 3. Bouncy Balls (because who doesn't love little rubber balls pinballing through your house at 2 am?) (bonus points for glow in the dark ones because they look like tracers bouncing off my walls. 4. Dragon's Breath (cuz fuck it if the perp has not left my residents yet I am just gonna burn the whole motherfucking place down right meow. I need my sleep and I don't got time to wait around and shoot nobody) Click To View Spoiler
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Posted: 9/23/2014 6:27:42 AM EDT
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An anchor shot - an entire 66 foot long shot of chain from a typical Navy ship is going to run about 75 tons and if you're strong enough to drop that on a guy you've got no worries about being prostituted by any jury made up of humans. Single perp? I'm not taking my gun off the cranial cavity for any reason until the cops come by to relieve me. 
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Posted: 9/23/2014 6:47:15 AM EDT
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once they are no longer a threat shooting them = murder.
that is why we shoot until the threat stops. if you do it properly you don't need an anchor shot. |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 7:14:54 AM EDT
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Completely hypothetical You are home invaded and get the drop on a perp. You shoot him and put him down - as you go past to save your dag and kid in the other room you see the perp move slightly. Do you perform an anchor shot as you go past and risk the wrath of the DA presenting you as cold blooded killer or pass him without doing that and hope he doesn't shoot you in the back? I am kind of a put down/stay down kind of guy. Had this convo today with a co-worker - In CT an anchor shot would probably land you in jail (hell a good defensive shoot probably will anyway since that's a dem voter taken off the rolls) but here in TX I get the feeling you would get a handshake from the sheriff and a medal. http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/04/29/closing-arguments-tuesday-in-little-falls-murder-trial/ LITTLE FALLS, Minn. (AP/WCCO) — The Little Falls, Minn., man who shot and killed two teenagers after they broke into his home was found guilty Tuesday of premeditated murder.
Smith says, “You’re dying,” followed soon by the sound of another gunshot, which investigators said Smith described as “a good, clean finishing shot.” Al Franken go figure has nothing to do with "anchor shots" 
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Posted: 9/23/2014 7:23:59 AM EDT
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"Ethics" as applied to armed home invaders? To me it simply does not apply. The only thing that does apply is my desire to see them dead tempered by my desire not to go to prison. In other words, if I knew I could get away with it I'd shoot every single one of them repeatedly until I was absolutely sure they were stone fucking dead. That's my ethics as applied to that particular kind of scumbag. Because sooner or later they will kill someone. Best to stop them while you can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Modern forensics can be a bitch. Modern pathology can be a bitch when done by a well trained/experienced doctor. Video/audio can be a bitch (like your spouse being on the phone with 911, that you weren't aware of when you pop him again). Witnesses can be a bitch (co-defendants, neighbors, spouse, kids, guests). Know the law, know your rights, be ethical with the decisions you make. Base your defense on the law and telling the truth and you will be far less likely to be in trouble in the first place and if you were charged, the truth tends not to fall apart when ballistics, forensics, pathology evidence and witness accounts start to come in. The truth also doesn't generally unravel on the stand. "Ethics" as applied to armed home invaders? To me it simply does not apply. The only thing that does apply is my desire to see them dead tempered by my desire not to go to prison. In other words, if I knew I could get away with it I'd shoot every single one of them repeatedly until I was absolutely sure they were stone fucking dead. That's my ethics as applied to that particular kind of scumbag. Because sooner or later they will kill someone. Best to stop them while you can. in other words...you have none....got it.. 
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Posted: 9/23/2014 8:05:43 AM EDT
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anchor shot--i learned a new term today
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Posted: 9/23/2014 8:08:42 AM EDT
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Don't be this guy. If he stopped at step 4, he would have been ok. See how that works? http://gawker.com/5806220/where-does-self-defense-end-killer-of-robber-convicted-of-murder In May of 2009, Oklahoma City pharmacist Jerome Ersland was at work when two teenagers came in to rob his store. What happens is caught on the surveillance video above: 1. Two teens burst into the store, one of them waving a gun. 2. Ersland shoots at them. The one with the gun runs out the door; the other is hit and falls. 3. Ersland exits the store in pursuit of the fleeing robber. Failing to catch him, he comes back into the store. 4. Ersland walks back behind the counter and retrieves a second gun. 5. Ersland walks back to where the fallen robber is, leans down, and shoots him multiple times, killing him. Yesterday, Ersland was found guilty of first-degree murder. He faces life in prison. That wasn't very smart. |
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