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Posted: 9/21/2014 5:41:28 PM EDT
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Good luck Kurds
They wil sure as hell fight |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 5:43:22 PM EDT
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I have been saying for the last two years that the US Administration is supporting the wrong side in Syria
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Posted: 9/21/2014 5:43:45 PM EDT
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We need to drop them some crew served goodness and several tons of mines. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 5:51:00 PM EDT
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FBHO & those he supports in the Middle East
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Posted: 9/21/2014 5:57:35 PM EDT
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The Kurds are tough and can handle their own business.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:02:09 PM EDT
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We need to drop them some crew served goodness and several tons of mines. Never gonna happen. These Kurds are the PKK/YPG, communists who are listed by the US state department on the official terrorist organizations list. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:03:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Kurds are tough and can handle their own business. From your lips to God's ears. The Kurds are under gunned and they were in bad trouble before the US started bombing ISIS artillery and vehicles in Iraq. Obama promised air support in Syria, and if the opposition is going to beat neck choppers then the bombs better start falling. Why aren't the bombs falling? |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:09:25 PM EDT
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Never gonna happen. These Kurds are the PKK/YPG, communists who are listed by the US state department on the official terrorist organizations list. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We need to drop them some crew served goodness and several tons of mines. Never gonna happen. These Kurds are the PKK/YPG, communists who are listed by the US state department on the official terrorist organizations list. Just curious, if it were not for politics how would the State Department list the Syrian rebels? |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:17:08 PM EDT
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Never gonna happen. These Kurds are the PKK/YPG, communists who are listed by the US state department on the official terrorist organizations list. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We need to drop them some crew served goodness and several tons of mines. Never gonna happen. These Kurds are the PKK/YPG, communists who are listed by the US state department on the official terrorist organizations list. An enemy of my enemy... |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:19:14 PM EDT
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Just curious, if it were not for politics how would the State Department list the Syrian rebels? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We need to drop them some crew served goodness and several tons of mines. Never gonna happen. These Kurds are the PKK/YPG, communists who are listed by the US state department on the official terrorist organizations list. Just curious, if it were not for politics how would the State Department list the Syrian rebels? The Syrian rebels ought to be listed as terrorists, not the secular, democratic Kurds. Please don't confuse my statement of the facts for an endorsement of the situation. If I had the means I'd be with the YPG right now. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:30:22 PM EDT
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There are many here who think we should do nothing to aid the Kurds or anyone else on the planet.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:31:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:42:24 PM EDT
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We should have been supporting the Kurds from the beginning, other than that Israel, and Kuwait, I would let the rest of the Mideast choke on bag of dicks. Anyone of them will back stab the US the first chance they get, even the Saudis.
The Kurds are the only hope for democratic pro US government in the Mideast, the rest only understand chaos, or totalitarian dictatorships. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:45:07 PM EDT
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I have been saying for the last two years that the US Administration is supporting the wrong side in Syria I've known that all this time too (Not just the US but also the UK) |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:45:33 PM EDT
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From your lips to God's ears. The Kurds are under gunned and they were in bad trouble before the US started bombing ISIS artillery and vehicles in Iraq. Obama promised air support in Syria, and if the opposition is going to beat neck choppers then the bombs better start falling. Why aren't the bombs falling? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Kurds are tough and can handle their own business. From your lips to God's ears. The Kurds are under gunned and they were in bad trouble before the US started bombing ISIS artillery and vehicles in Iraq. Obama promised air support in Syria, and if the opposition is going to beat neck choppers then the bombs better start falling. Why aren't the bombs falling? 
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:46:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Kurds are tough and can handle their own business. They badly need gear and logistical support.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:53:11 PM EDT
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They badly need gear and logistical support. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Kurds are tough and can handle their own business. They badly need gear and logistical support. Last I heard Obama denied small arms and ammo sales to the Kurds......the good ole USA really knows how to screw the Kurds. PS I realize this GD, but come on.....the Kurds are decent people. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:55:06 PM EDT
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I thought we were doing airstrikes to stop ISIS from overwhelming the Kurds?
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:56:03 PM EDT
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From your lips to God's ears. The Kurds are under gunned and they were in bad trouble before the US started bombing ISIS artillery and vehicles in Iraq. Obama promised air support in Syria, and if the opposition is going to beat neck choppers then the bombs better start falling. Why aren't the bombs falling? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Kurds are tough and can handle their own business. From your lips to God's ears. The Kurds are under gunned and they were in bad trouble before the US started bombing ISIS artillery and vehicles in Iraq. Obama promised air support in Syria, and if the opposition is going to beat neck choppers then the bombs better start falling. Why aren't the bombs falling? ... They are. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:04:57 PM EDT
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For the 87th time.
There is no Kurdish hive mond or government. There is no Syrian rebel hive mind or government. It is a ridiculously complex stew of factions and interests over there. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:06:47 PM EDT
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The Kurds are tough and can handle their own business. From your lips to God's ears. The Kurds are under gunned and they were in bad trouble before the US started bombing ISIS artillery and vehicles in Iraq. Obama promised air support in Syria, and if the opposition is going to beat neck choppers then the bombs better start falling. Why aren't the bombs falling? ... They are. French bombs |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:07:43 PM EDT
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For the 87th time. There is no Kurdish hive mond or government. There is no Syrian rebel hive mind or government. It is a ridiculously complex stew of factions and interests over there. The weak shall perish? |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:10:26 PM EDT
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The Kurds are tough and can handle their own business. From your lips to God's ears. The Kurds are under gunned and they were in bad trouble before the US started bombing ISIS artillery and vehicles in Iraq. Obama promised air support in Syria, and if the opposition is going to beat neck choppers then the bombs better start falling. Why aren't the bombs falling? ... They are. French bombs We've bombed ISIS within the last week, just not up near the Kurds that I'm aware of. We've been bombing them for a bit now. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:10:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:13:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:21:16 PM EDT
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We've bombed ISIS within the last week, just not up near the Kurds that I'm aware of. We've been bombing them for a bit now. The USA seems to bombing them just enough to look like we're doing something for the news cycle without actually affecting the outcome. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:23:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryDid every tribe form it's own group? 
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:23:08 PM EDT
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The USA seems to bombing them just enough to look like we're doing something for the news cycle without actually affecting the outcome. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We've bombed ISIS within the last week, just not up near the Kurds that I'm aware of. We've been bombing them for a bit now. The USA seems to bombing them just enough to look like we're doing something for the news cycle without actually affecting the outcome. There is zero consensus to really affect any outcome other than to do just that. Make them hurt, limit their efforts to consolidate and further advance in Iraq. The rest is not our fight at this time. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:23:23 PM EDT
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The USA seems to bombing them just enough to look like we're doing something for the news cycle without actually affecting the outcome. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We've bombed ISIS within the last week, just not up near the Kurds that I'm aware of. We've been bombing them for a bit now. The USA seems to bombing them just enough to look like we're doing something for the news cycle without actually affecting the outcome. Strong domestic pressure to not get heavily involved in another war in the ME. The American people seem to have trouble with more than one major commitment per generation. 
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:25:12 PM EDT
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Did every tribe form it's own group? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Did every tribe form it's own group? A shitload of those groups are foreign. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:57:08 PM EDT
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We've bombed ISIS within the last week, just not up near the Kurds that I'm aware of. We've been bombing them for a bit now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Kurds are tough and can handle their own business. From your lips to God's ears. The Kurds are under gunned and they were in bad trouble before the US started bombing ISIS artillery and vehicles in Iraq. Obama promised air support in Syria, and if the opposition is going to beat neck choppers then the bombs better start falling. Why aren't the bombs falling? ... They are. French bombs We've bombed ISIS within the last week, just not up near the Kurds that I'm aware of. We've been bombing them for a bit now. I seem to remember Assad not being willing to accept airstrikes on Syrian territory unless his government was an equal partner/they occurred under his approval/whatever. I don't think, so far, there have been any US strikes in Syria. The Iraqi Kurds are doing fine, now that they're being supported by international air and SOF. Prior to that, the PKK/YPG had to come from Syria to support them. In fact, it was YPG forces (again, listed as terrorists by the US state department) who saved the Yezidis that were stranded on the mountain, after the Peshmerga stripped off their uniforms and fled like the IA did. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 8:04:59 PM EDT
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Not the first time we have turned our backs on the Kurds
It's sickening considering they protected u.s troops I Kurdish held territory .. In Kurdistan they made it clear if Americans were killed they would take revenge on Iraqis 10 times fold ...and it worked. I'm Sure I don't need to tell the bag of heads story |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 8:08:27 PM EDT
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They badly need gear and logistical support. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Kurds are tough and can handle their own business. They badly need gear and logistical support. This, there not well liked in the Middle East and won't get much support from the likes of Turkey and such. If we don't don't send them something to fight with their going beat bad. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 8:16:23 PM EDT
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I have been saying for the last two years that the US Administration is supporting the wrong side in Syria |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 8:22:26 PM EDT
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For the 87th time. There is no Kurdish hive mond or government. There is no Syrian rebel hive mind or government. It is a ridiculously complex stew of factions and interests over there. You're wasting your time. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 8:29:45 PM EDT
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For the 87th time. There is no Kurdish hive mond or government. There is no Syrian rebel hive mind or government. It is a ridiculously complex stew of factions and interests over there. You're right, of course, but do you think there is an entity with the "Syrian rebels" who actually stand a chance of defeating the islamists and forming a government? From what I've seen, all of the good guys in the reform movement have by now, been killed by the likes of Al-Nusra, ISIS, or the Muslim Brotherhood forces, or have gone over to supporting Assad as a lesser of two evils. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 8:34:28 PM EDT
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What does it take to travel to one of the countries ISIS is active in, and join the fighters on the ground against them?
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Posted: 9/21/2014 8:37:46 PM EDT
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What does it take to travel to one of the countries ISIS is active in, and join the fighters on the ground against them? Enough money for a plane ticket to Erbil International Airport would probably suffice. Then some cash to buy your gear. But you're probably gonna have a hard time doing anything useful if you don't speak Kurdish or at least arabic. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 9:45:04 PM EDT
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We've bombed ISIS within the last week, just not up near the Kurds that I'm aware of. We've been bombing them for a bit now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Kurds are tough and can handle their own business. From your lips to God's ears. The Kurds are under gunned and they were in bad trouble before the US started bombing ISIS artillery and vehicles in Iraq. Obama promised air support in Syria, and if the opposition is going to beat neck choppers then the bombs better start falling. Why aren't the bombs falling? ... They are. French bombs We've bombed ISIS within the last week, just not up near the Kurds that I'm aware of. We've been bombing them for a bit now. Just wait for the circus when a pilot gets shot down and captured. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 10:40:04 PM EDT
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You're right, of course, but do you think there is an entity with the "Syrian rebels" who actually stand a chance of defeating the islamists and forming a government? From what I've seen, all of the good guys in the reform movement have by now, been killed by the likes of Al-Nusra, ISIS, or the Muslim Brotherhood forces, or have gone over to supporting Assad as a lesser of two evils. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the 87th time. There is no Kurdish hive mond or government. There is no Syrian rebel hive mind or government. It is a ridiculously complex stew of factions and interests over there. You're right, of course, but do you think there is an entity with the "Syrian rebels" who actually stand a chance of defeating the islamists and forming a government? From what I've seen, all of the good guys in the reform movement have by now, been killed by the likes of Al-Nusra, ISIS, or the Muslim Brotherhood forces, or have gone over to supporting Assad as a lesser of two evils. I think our window of opportunity has passed, but I am hardly an expert on Syria. Alas, disruption of ISIL efforts in Iraq and Syria both is the current US government stated intent. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 10:42:14 PM EDT
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What does it take to travel to one of the countries ISIS is active in, and join the fighters on the ground against them? Probably find a Kurd to travel with. There have been a couple hundred from here that have gone over to fight them and other countries as wellness your best bet. Getting gear is as simple as buying it the local gun bazaar. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 10:44:05 PM EDT
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Enough money for a plane ticket to Erbil International Airport would probably suffice. Then some cash to buy your gear. But you're probably gonna have a hard time doing anything useful if you don't speak Kurdish or at least arabic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What does it take to travel to one of the countries ISIS is active in, and join the fighters on the ground against them? Enough money for a plane ticket to Erbil International Airport would probably suffice. Then some cash to buy your gear. But you're probably gonna have a hard time doing anything useful if you don't speak Kurdish or at least arabic. Can't even bring my own gear? Fuck. I barely passed Spanish after taking it for 7 years, I doubt I'll learn Arabic in time to get on the front lines against ISIS. US Military has already deemed me medically ineligible, so mercenary for another country is my best option to go after these fucks. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 10:46:03 PM EDT
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I have to ask, quite honestly, why we should give a fuck about anyone in that region.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 10:49:27 PM EDT
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We need to drop them some crew served goodness and several tons of mines. Never gonna happen. These Kurds are the PKK/YPG, communists who are listed by the US state department on the official terrorist organizations list. An enemy of my enemy... ...is my enemy's other enemy. Not necessarily my friend. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 11:04:38 PM EDT
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We need to drop them some crew served goodness and several tons of mines. Never gonna happen. These Kurds are the PKK/YPG, communists who are listed by the US state department on the official terrorist organizations list. An enemy of my enemy... ...is my enemy's other enemy. Not necessarily my friend. The one thing I don't want to do is destroy one monster while creating another. Is there any way we can supply the most Pro-US groups instead? |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 11:06:45 PM EDT
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Can't even bring my own gear? Fuck. I barely passed Spanish after taking it for 7 years, I doubt I'll learn Arabic in time to get on the front lines against ISIS. US Military has already deemed me medically ineligible, so mercenary for another country is my best option to go after these fucks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What does it take to travel to one of the countries ISIS is active in, and join the fighters on the ground against them? Enough money for a plane ticket to Erbil International Airport would probably suffice. Then some cash to buy your gear. But you're probably gonna have a hard time doing anything useful if you don't speak Kurdish or at least arabic. Can't even bring my own gear? Fuck. I barely passed Spanish after taking it for 7 years, I doubt I'll learn Arabic in time to get on the front lines against ISIS. US Military has already deemed me medically ineligible, so mercenary for another country is my best option to go after these fucks. Guns no but don't see why you couldn't bring optics mags maybe even plates and carrier. I'm sure you even mail to yourself your not shipping anything illegal. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 11:07:12 PM EDT
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I'll tell you this much for free; if this Kurdish force gets over run and defeated in Syria, then there is going to be a narrower group of 'boots on the ground' shooting at the neck choppers.
Every time ISIS beats one of it's enemies the chances that our boys are going to have to go back over there go up. If you don't want US ground troops nation building in Syria, then we need bomb the neck choppers before they kill their enemies off, and we need to start sooner rather than later. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 11:09:00 PM EDT
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I have to ask, quite honestly, why we should give a fuck about anyone in that region. We don't, but we don't want to play a home game against these people, either. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 11:14:03 PM EDT
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Syria won't allow us to intervene as long as we refuse to support Assad's government. Let the Middle East deal with Middle East problems. They have plenty of money.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 11:15:51 PM EDT
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