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Posted: 7/23/2015 2:30:28 PM EDT
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When is the sig brace division going to be approved? I think we can all agree that would be awesome. 
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Posted: 7/23/2015 3:53:18 PM EDT
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This crowd that does that around here just shoots Open with their mags loaded up. I doubt they're going to want to play in a 10 round division. Only time will tell. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Apparently carry optics is a real thing now. The BOD approved it as a provisional division. I think it's retarded. Level one only, so when nobody shoots it, it won't go anywhere in all likelihood. Unless all the three gunners start coming to matches to get some extra practice with the dot. This crowd that does that around here just shoots Open with their mags loaded up. I doubt they're going to want to play in a 10 round division. Only time will tell. Production is the most popular division around here, usually the most people by far. I really haven't heard of anyone talking about PO so it's hard to tell if it will be participated in. |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 5:09:18 PM EDT
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It can only dilute Production.
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Posted: 7/23/2015 8:03:33 PM EDT
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Have the provisional rules for Carry Optics been posted? (Is it as I and some others hoped - just Production with the allowance for a slide-mounted dot?)
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My question is how many people actually carry with optics and live life. Having a pile of awesome on your hip while perusing the gun rags at Walmart is a far cry from how I live. Even a G19, IWB, is a lot sometimes. Running, riding horse, working on and around the property, kayaking, etc....... Now plaster a microdot on that bad boy and tell me how many actually carry it. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like a photo thread fad, not a real event. FWIW, I personally know two people that regularly carry guns with dots. |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 8:41:26 PM EDT
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My question is how many people actually carry with optics and live life. Having a pile of awesome on your hip while perusing the gun rags at Walmart is a far cry from how I live. Even a G19, IWB, is a lot sometimes. Running, riding horse, working on and around the property, kayaking, etc....... Now plaster a microdot on that bad boy and tell me how many actually carry it. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like a photo thread fad, not a real event. I carry mine regularly. It's no harder to carry than any other G17. I still probably won't shoot it in Carry Optics though. |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 8:41:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It can only dilute Production. For the record, I think Carry Optics is stupid and won't shoot it. But, I keep hearing that argument of it diluting the sport. Who cares what a USPSA member wants to shoot as long as they're shooting. Why should I care if people jump ship from Production over to Carry Optics? |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 8:42:09 PM EDT
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Shoot major if you're going to play in limited. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who is shooting a glock 35 for limited minor? I'm debating making one for fun. Love my 34 for production and can only imagine how fast it'd be shooting 180g minor loads with a heavy magwell and base pads. Shoot major if you're going to play in limited. This! Unless shooting Production. |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 8:51:56 PM EDT
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Who is shooting a glock 35 for limited minor? I'm debating making one for fun. Love my 34 for production and can only imagine how fast it'd be shooting 180g minor loads with a heavy magwell and base pads. Shoot major if you're going to play in limited. This! Unless shooting Production. Or Revo. Or on certain very rare occasions, SS. |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 8:59:21 PM EDT
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I carry mine regularly. It's no harder to carry than any other G17. I still probably won't shoot it in Carry Optics though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My question is how many people actually carry with optics and live life. Having a pile of awesome on your hip while perusing the gun rags at Walmart is a far cry from how I live. Even a G19, IWB, is a lot sometimes. Running, riding horse, working on and around the property, kayaking, etc....... Now plaster a microdot on that bad boy and tell me how many actually carry it. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like a photo thread fad, not a real event. I carry mine regularly. It's no harder to carry than any other G17. I still probably won't shoot it in Carry Optics though. Do you have a picture of your carry setup? |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 9:03:05 PM EDT
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I carry mine regularly. It's no harder to carry than any other G17. I still probably won't shoot it in Carry Optics though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My question is how many people actually carry with optics and live life. Having a pile of awesome on your hip while perusing the gun rags at Walmart is a far cry from how I live. Even a G19, IWB, is a lot sometimes. Running, riding horse, working on and around the property, kayaking, etc....... Now plaster a microdot on that bad boy and tell me how many actually carry it. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like a photo thread fad, not a real event. I carry mine regularly. It's no harder to carry than any other G17. I still probably won't shoot it in Carry Optics though. I'm not a small guy, but I can't imagine a G17 with an optic being comfortable to carry. Or even a 17 for that matter. Even my 19 feels huge. |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 9:06:37 PM EDT
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Do you have a picture of your carry setup? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My question is how many people actually carry with optics and live life. Having a pile of awesome on your hip while perusing the gun rags at Walmart is a far cry from how I live. Even a G19, IWB, is a lot sometimes. Running, riding horse, working on and around the property, kayaking, etc....... Now plaster a microdot on that bad boy and tell me how many actually carry it. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like a photo thread fad, not a real event. I carry mine regularly. It's no harder to carry than any other G17. I still probably won't shoot it in Carry Optics though. Do you have a picture of your carry setup? 
I also have a JM Custom Kydex AIWB for this setup with an APL. That's what I carry most of the time, but I don't have any pictures of it. |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 9:07:33 PM EDT
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I'm not a small guy, but I can't imagine a G17 with an optic being comfortable to carry. Or even a 17 for that matter. Even my 19 feels huge. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My question is how many people actually carry with optics and live life. Having a pile of awesome on your hip while perusing the gun rags at Walmart is a far cry from how I live. Even a G19, IWB, is a lot sometimes. Running, riding horse, working on and around the property, kayaking, etc....... Now plaster a microdot on that bad boy and tell me how many actually carry it. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like a photo thread fad, not a real event. I carry mine regularly. It's no harder to carry than any other G17. I still probably won't shoot it in Carry Optics though. I'm not a small guy, but I can't imagine a G17 with an optic being comfortable to carry. Or even a 17 for that matter. Even my 19 feels huge. I'm 5'11", 200 lbs, with a 32" waist. Honestly I can barely tell the difference between the 17 and 19 in terms of comfort or concealment. |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 9:08:42 PM EDT
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I'm 5'11", 200 lbs, with a 32" waist. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My question is how many people actually carry with optics and live life. Having a pile of awesome on your hip while perusing the gun rags at Walmart is a far cry from how I live. Even a G19, IWB, is a lot sometimes. Running, riding horse, working on and around the property, kayaking, etc....... Now plaster a microdot on that bad boy and tell me how many actually carry it. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like a photo thread fad, not a real event. I carry mine regularly. It's no harder to carry than any other G17. I still probably won't shoot it in Carry Optics though. I'm not a small guy, but I can't imagine a G17 with an optic being comfortable to carry. Or even a 17 for that matter. Even my 19 feels huge. I'm 5'11", 200 lbs, with a 32" waist. We're almost identical. |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 9:11:10 PM EDT
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I'm not a small guy, but I can't imagine a G17 with an optic being comfortable to carry. Or even a 17 for that matter. Even my 19 feels huge. Quite honestly, I don't see that the optic would really be that drastically different from just carrying the normal pistol. Sure, it would be different, but I don't think it'd be like night and day in terms of comfort or concealability. Of course, this is just conjecture on my part, as I don't have a pistol with a slide-mounted dot. Yet. 
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Posted: 7/23/2015 9:16:40 PM EDT
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Have the provisional rules for Carry Optics been posted? (Is it as I and some others hoped - just Production with the allowance for a slide-mounted dot?) FWIW, I personally know two people that regularly carry guns with dots. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Have the provisional rules for Carry Optics been posted? (Is it as I and some others hoped - just Production with the allowance for a slide-mounted dot?) Quoted:
My question is how many people actually carry with optics and live life. Having a pile of awesome on your hip while perusing the gun rags at Walmart is a far cry from how I live. Even a G19, IWB, is a lot sometimes. Running, riding horse, working on and around the property, kayaking, etc....... Now plaster a microdot on that bad boy and tell me how many actually carry it. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like a photo thread fad, not a real event. FWIW, I personally know two people that regularly carry guns with dots. What exactly do they carry? |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 9:25:32 PM EDT
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What exactly do they carry? One carries a Glock - as I recall, it's either a 19 or a 23. The other carries an SVI. |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 9:53:36 PM EDT
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http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e232/thejeanyus/Gun%20Pictures/AF648AC3-049D-4926-908A-F90EF51F2704_zps24edybmb.jpg I also have a JM Custom Kydex AIWB for this setup with an APL. That's what I carry most of the time, but I don't have any pictures of it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My question is how many people actually carry with optics and live life. Having a pile of awesome on your hip while perusing the gun rags at Walmart is a far cry from how I live. Even a G19, IWB, is a lot sometimes. Running, riding horse, working on and around the property, kayaking, etc....... Now plaster a microdot on that bad boy and tell me how many actually carry it. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like a photo thread fad, not a real event. I carry mine regularly. It's no harder to carry than any other G17. I still probably won't shoot it in Carry Optics though. Do you have a picture of your carry setup? http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e232/thejeanyus/Gun%20Pictures/AF648AC3-049D-4926-908A-F90EF51F2704_zps24edybmb.jpg I also have a JM Custom Kydex AIWB for this setup with an APL. That's what I carry most of the time, but I don't have any pictures of it. That looks doable. I carry a 17 with a TLR-1 in a RCS Phantom. Looks about the same. Except for the little $400 electronic thing. And I'm not a heathan lefty. But, both my sons are. 
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Posted: 7/24/2015 7:39:57 PM EDT
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seems alot of people are really pissed over the carry optics shibang.
I think what they mean by carry optics are something you would strap on your side and go for a hike. I do it with my G34 all the time because I like the gun and it carries well OWB, but I doubt someone would strap on a 40oz CZ to go for a walk. I believe alot of people assume "carry optics" means a CCDW gun I get people are pissed because of the weight limit cutting out alot of the production list guns, to be honest I dont really care as I dont own anything but glocks and 1911's while I can see their point of hey I can shoot production with this gun but not the new division with the same rules just adding an optic, but I am still an infant in the sport of competitive shooting. which leads me to my next question, what the hell is the difference between the CZ guns and Tanfoglio's? They look the same? ETA: something to consider, the G34 MOS isnt even on the production list despite my contacting them 3 months ago but its assumed it will be GTG for carry optics |
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Posted: 7/24/2015 8:51:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: seems alot of people are really pissed over the carry optics shibang. I think what they mean by carry optics are something you would strap on your side and go for a hike. I do it with my G34 all the time because I like the gun and it carries well OWB, but I doubt someone would strap on a 40oz CZ to go for a walk. I believe alot of people assume "carry optics" means a CCDW gun I get people are pissed because of the weight limit cutting out alot of the production list guns, to be honest I dont really care as I dont own anything but glocks and 1911's while I can see their point of hey I can shoot production with this gun but not the new division with the same rules just adding an optic, but I am still an infant in the sport of competitive shooting. which leads me to my next question, what the hell is the difference between the CZ guns and Tanfoglio's? They look the same? ETA: something to consider, the G34 MOS isnt even on the production list despite my contacting them 3 months ago but its assumed it will be GTG for carry optics As far as weight goes, plenty of people carry 1911's around. I'm guessing they weigh at least 40oz. What I'm wondering is what the capacity will be. 10 rounds or 15. CZ's and Tanfo's are very similar but different enough that the parts are not interchangeable. |
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Posted: 7/24/2015 9:14:41 PM EDT
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which leads me to my next question, what the hell is the difference between the CZ guns and Tanfoglio's? Tanfos started as pretty true-to-form CZ clones, but have somewhat evolved into their own form, especially in their large frame offerings. In fact, there isn't really a CZ equivalent frame size for the Tanfo 'large frame'. Which is actually why I don't have a CZ open gun, as it is impossible to get one built in what I consider to be the 'correct' open caliber. The older small-frame Tanfos had a lot of parts interchangeable with CZ, but the new ones less so, and the large-frames not at all. |
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Posted: 7/24/2015 9:32:37 PM EDT
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As far as weight goes, plenty of people carry 1911's around. I'm guessing they weigh at least 40oz. What I'm wondering is what the capacity will be. 10 rounds or 15. CZ's and Tanfo's are very similar but different enough that the parts are not interchangeable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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seems alot of people are really pissed over the carry optics shibang. I think what they mean by carry optics are something you would strap on your side and go for a hike. I do it with my G34 all the time because I like the gun and it carries well OWB, but I doubt someone would strap on a 40oz CZ to go for a walk. I believe alot of people assume "carry optics" means a CCDW gun I get people are pissed because of the weight limit cutting out alot of the production list guns, to be honest I dont really care as I dont own anything but glocks and 1911's while I can see their point of hey I can shoot production with this gun but not the new division with the same rules just adding an optic, but I am still an infant in the sport of competitive shooting. Does it fit in the Box? which leads me to my next question, what the hell is the difference between the CZ guns and Tanfoglio's? They look the same? ETA: something to consider, the G34 MOS isnt even on the production list despite my contacting them 3 months ago but its assumed it will be GTG for carry optics As far as weight goes, plenty of people carry 1911's around. I'm guessing they weigh at least 40oz. What I'm wondering is what the capacity will be. 10 rounds or 15. CZ's and Tanfo's are very similar but different enough that the parts are not interchangeable. Does it fit in the Box? |
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Posted: 7/24/2015 10:06:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does it fit in the Box? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: seems alot of people are really pissed over the carry optics shibang. I think what they mean by carry optics are something you would strap on your side and go for a hike. I do it with my G34 all the time because I like the gun and it carries well OWB, but I doubt someone would strap on a 40oz CZ to go for a walk. I believe alot of people assume "carry optics" means a CCDW gun I get people are pissed because of the weight limit cutting out alot of the production list guns, to be honest I dont really care as I dont own anything but glocks and 1911's while I can see their point of hey I can shoot production with this gun but not the new division with the same rules just adding an optic, but I am still an infant in the sport of competitive shooting. Does it fit in the Box? which leads me to my next question, what the hell is the difference between the CZ guns and Tanfoglio's? They look the same? ETA: something to consider, the G34 MOS isnt even on the production list despite my contacting them 3 months ago but its assumed it will be GTG for carry optics As far as weight goes, plenty of people carry 1911's around. I'm guessing they weigh at least 40oz. What I'm wondering is what the capacity will be. 10 rounds or 15. CZ's and Tanfo's are very similar but different enough that the parts are not interchangeable. Does it fit in the Box? I'd say it's safe to say that any CZ or Tanfo that's on the USPSA Production gun list fits in the box. |
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Posted: 7/25/2015 7:21:51 PM EDT
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So who's shooting this week? I'm only shooting a GSSF match, back to USPSA next weekend.
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Posted: 7/26/2015 4:29:34 PM EDT
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This is my day at the GSSF match:
I destroyed my prior best times. |
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Posted: 7/26/2015 4:45:28 PM EDT
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This is my day at the GSSF match: http://cdn.meme.am/instances/41481749.jpg I destroyed my prior best times. Video? |
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Posted: 7/26/2015 5:09:41 PM EDT
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Didn't bother with video... gssf is fun to participate in but pretty boring on video. I should have recorded my plate rack runs if nothing else.
The "pocket glock" category is a bit scary since you're limited to the 6+1 42 or 43, but I went 24/24 with it. My time for the plates on that one was pretty slow in comparison to the others but when you have one extra shot, you make sure to be more careful. One plate left standing is a 10 second penalty, which would be pretty devastating. |
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Posted: 7/26/2015 6:26:53 PM EDT
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Didn't bother with video... gssf is fun to participate in but pretty boring on video. I should have recorded my plate rack runs if nothing else. The "pocket glock" category is a bit scary since you're limited to the 6+1 42 or 43, but I went 24/24 with it. My time for the plates on that one was pretty slow in comparison to the others but when you have one extra shot, you make sure to be more careful. One plate left standing is a 10 second penalty, which would be pretty devastating. When do you find out if you won anything? |
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Posted: 7/26/2015 6:40:36 PM EDT
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The preliminary results are usually out in a couple of days, you can look at the scores and figure it out. They are out for 30 days to allow for any corrections, then the results are finalized and the prizes are awarded.
It's a few months between the match and the time you get a prize gun, so GSSF is not for the impatient
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Posted: 7/26/2015 6:42:15 PM EDT
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Dupe post
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Posted: 7/26/2015 7:33:15 PM EDT
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I wish we had GSSF matches close to me. I think when I looked, the closest was going to be 3 hours away, which aint gonna happen.
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Posted: 7/26/2015 7:35:24 PM EDT
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How far are you from Lexington?
If you have any clubs that are capable of it but are 3+ hours away from other matches, you might look into seeing if they will host one. |
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Posted: 7/26/2015 7:40:56 PM EDT
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How far are you from Lexington? If you have any clubs that are capable of it but are 3+ hours away from other matches, you might look into seeing if they will host one. Google says 2hr 55min (Maryville, TN) The club I shoot USPSA at is about 45 min to the north of me, so it won't be 3hr from Lexington. |
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Posted: 7/26/2015 7:56:42 PM EDT
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You should try out the match in October... the last weekend. There's a group of us that usually goes down, it's about the same drive from here.
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Posted: 7/26/2015 8:34:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The preliminary results are usually out in a couple of days, you can look at the scores and figure it out. They are out for 30 days to allow for any corrections, then the results are finalized and the prizes are awarded. It's a few months between the match and the time you get a prize gun, so GSSF is not for the impatient  |
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Posted: 7/26/2015 8:45:07 PM EDT
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You should try out the match in October... the last weekend. There's a group of us that usually goes down, it's about the same drive from here. I will if I can. I live week to week so I won't know for a while. 
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Posted: 7/26/2015 8:45:43 PM EDT
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I'm going on 4 months now waiting for my GSSF prize gun.
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The preliminary results are usually out in a couple of days, you can look at the scores and figure it out. They are out for 30 days to allow for any corrections, then the results are finalized and the prizes are awarded. It's a few months between the match and the time you get a prize gun, so GSSF is not for the impatient
I'm going on 4 months waiting for my first suppressor. I hate waiting. |
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Posted: 7/26/2015 8:46:26 PM EDT
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The preliminary results are usually out in a couple of days, you can look at the scores and figure it out. They are out for 30 days to allow for any corrections, then the results are finalized and the prizes are awarded. It's a few months between the match and the time you get a prize gun, so GSSF is not for the impatient
I'm going on 4 months waiting for my first suppressor. I hate waiting. GSSF isn't as bad as NFA. |
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Posted: 7/26/2015 10:35:23 PM EDT
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This is my day at the GSSF match: http://cdn.meme.am/instances/41481749.jpg I destroyed my prior best times. Marietta was this weekend? I completely forgot about GSSF this year. I won't be able to make Brighton, either. Hell, I haven't even practiced but three times this year, so it's probably for the best.
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Posted: 7/27/2015 9:49:28 AM EDT
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AJE: What were your times?
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Posted: 7/27/2015 10:19:47 AM EDT
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Keeping in mind I added them up manually in the back seat of the car on the interstate (to allow myself math errors for when the real scores are out):
Pocket= 42.66 Sub Compact = 57.21(my best in the past was 56.xx) Heavy metal = 49.89 Master stock =42.64 I only had two D's for the day on one string on the Subcompact. My master stock run was all alphas for Glock M and two Cs for the 5 to Glock. Way, way cleaner than I've shot before. The MS would have won matchmiester at the last match I shot. |
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Posted: 7/27/2015 10:35:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Keeping in mind I added them up manually in the back seat of the car on the interstate (to allow myself math errors for when the real scores are out): Pocket= 42.66 Sub Compact = 57.21(my best in the past was 56.xx) Heavy metal = 49.89 Master stock =42.64 I only had two D's for the day on one string on the Subcompact. My master stock run was all alphas for Glock M and two Cs for the 5 to Glock. Way, way cleaner than I've shot before. The MS would have won matchmiester at the last match I shot. Good lord those are baller times. |
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Posted: 7/27/2015 11:11:00 AM EDT
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Dry fire is the answer
Steve Anderson's podcast about the "match mode dry fire shot calling" is what I've been doing lately and I think it has done a lot to help me. Of course I looked up the link to share it and it's the first one that's only avaiable to premium members link
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Posted: 7/27/2015 1:43:09 PM EDT
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Next months MD(we take turns) told us what he has planned.
1st week, Precision rifle match & 1 stage run & gun-USPSA. 2nd week Steel Challenge 3rd USPSA 4th week USPSA This news pissed more than a few off. Would this upset you? |
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Posted: 7/27/2015 2:02:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Next months MD(we take turns) told us what he has planned. 1st week, Precision rifle match & 1 stage run & gun-USPSA. 2nd week Steel Challenge 3rd USPSA 4th week USPSA This news pissed more than a few off. Would this upset you? What is there to be pissed about? |
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Posted: 7/27/2015 2:10:30 PM EDT
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Next months MD(we take turns) told us what he has planned. 1st week, Precision rifle match & 1 stage run & gun-USPSA. 2nd week Steel Challenge 3rd USPSA 4th week USPSA This news pissed more than a few off. Would this upset you? I would love to have USPSA 3 weeks per month, but I couldn't afford it anyways. Why would that piss you off? |
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Posted: 7/27/2015 3:35:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Next months MD(we take turns) told us what he has planned. 1st week, Precision rifle match & 1 stage run & gun-USPSA. 2nd week Steel Challenge 3rd USPSA 4th week USPSA This news pissed more than a few off. Would this upset you? Compared to what? |
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Posted: 7/27/2015 3:37:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dry fire is the answer Steve Anderson's podcast about the "match mode dry fire shot calling" is what I've been doing lately and I think it has done a lot to help me. Of course I looked up the link to share it and it's the first one that's only avaiable to premium members linkCliff notes? |
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Posted: 7/27/2015 4:32:36 PM EDT
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Dry fire is the answer
Steve Anderson's podcast about the "match mode dry fire shot calling" is what I've been doing lately and I think it has done a lot to help me. Of course I looked up the link to share it and it's the first one that's only avaiable to premium members linkCliff notes? 20 minute episode: 5 minutes of Van Halen music and trivia some dog noise a few minutes on the mental game Setting up dry fire drills, with steel and paper, and practice transitioning between them while calling your shots. |
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Posted: 7/27/2015 8:42:14 PM EDT
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Next months MD(we take turns) told us what he has planned. 1st week, Precision rifle match & 1 stage run & gun-USPSA. 2nd week Steel Challenge 3rd USPSA 4th week USPSA This news pissed more than a few off. Would this upset you? I would never be pissed about having more than 1 USPSA match nearby in any given month. |
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Posted: 7/27/2015 9:32:58 PM EDT
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I would never be pissed about having more than 1 USPSA match nearby in any given month. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Next months MD(we take turns) told us what he has planned. 1st week, Precision rifle match & 1 stage run & gun-USPSA. 2nd week Steel Challenge 3rd USPSA 4th week USPSA This news pissed more than a few off. Would this upset you? I would never be pissed about having more than 1 USPSA match nearby in any given month. Where I live, there's USPSA every weekend within 3 hours. Not to mention steel challenge, proam, 3gun, icore, etc... |
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