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Posted: 9/17/2014 2:57:39 PM EDT
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What part of "illegal" is confusing you? We would march them across the border at gun point. Then build the fence. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just read that Houston alone has around 400,000 illegals. How do they factor into this vote? What part of "illegal" is confusing you? We would march them across the border at gun point. Then build the fence. What would happen to your fast food industry? Your lawns would be over-run within a month too 
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Posted: 9/17/2014 2:58:34 PM EDT
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I just read that Houston alone has around 400,000 illegals. How do they factor into this vote? Well, Texas passed a voter ID law. The Feds struck it down. You figure out how it would go. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 2:58:44 PM EDT
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Then there's reality? You think it's possible? No fucking way any US President allows that big of a chunk of Prosperous soil to leave. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The only issue with this is the border issue. Texas will get overrun so bad. Yeah. Whatever shall we do without the Federal government to protect us?  I personally think Texans could handle the border better than the fed any fucking day too! But you guys can't leave , it's a myth that Texas has it in writing they can leave anytime they want. Any State can lawfully secede any time it wants to. Texas v White was crap. And the doctrine of perpetual union is found nowhere in the US Constitution. No one in this thread has claimed the part in red. You think it's possible? No fucking way any US President allows that big of a chunk of Prosperous soil to leave. Did ISIS take over the Pennsylvania school system when you were a kid or something? Or did your house just have extra lead in the paint? 
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Posted: 9/17/2014 2:59:37 PM EDT
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I love Texas.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:01:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only issue with this is the border issue. Texas will get overrun so bad. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:01:38 PM EDT
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take a guess.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:03:03 PM EDT
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There would be a LOT of issues, but that's a big one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The only issue with this is the border issue. Texas will get overrun so bad. There would be a LOT of issues, but that's a big one. Open season, no bag limits, problem solved. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:05:10 PM EDT
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What do they do about the national debt?
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:06:22 PM EDT
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Yeah. Whatever shall we do without the Federal government to protect us? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The only issue with this is the border issue. Texas will get overrun so bad. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:07:25 PM EDT
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What do they do about the national debt? What about it? Texas sent more money to the Federal government than it ever got back. It's ok. You can pay us back over time at low interest. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:08:03 PM EDT
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What do they do about the national debt? There is still a US, so it would still be a US problem.
Our municipal and ISD debts are massive though (as they are everywhere else). |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:08:09 PM EDT
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What would happen to your fast food industry? Your lawns would be over-run within a month too Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just read that Houston alone has around 400,000 illegals. How do they factor into this vote? What part of "illegal" is confusing you? We would march them across the border at gun point. Then build the fence. What would happen to your fast food industry? Your lawns would be over-run within a month too Quit watering. That will take care of the lawn problem. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:09:51 PM EDT
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A thread, with a poll, indicating that a majority of texans and non texans alike no longer want Texas to be part of the US... And it turns into a Texas is awesome circle jerk fest...
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:10:02 PM EDT
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Texas does not need the US. The US needs Texas. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:10:38 PM EDT
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There is still a US, so it would still be a US problem.
Our municipal and ISD debts are massive though (as they are everywhere else). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What do they do about the national debt? There is still a US, so it would still be a US problem.
Our municipal and ISD debts are massive though (as they are everywhere else). You would be obligated to a per capita portion of said debts. Doesn't matter as Texas tried once already and a bunch of mild mannered Midwesterners showed them the error of their ways. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:11:43 PM EDT
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Quit watering. That will take care of the lawn problem. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just read that Houston alone has around 400,000 illegals. How do they factor into this vote? What part of "illegal" is confusing you? We would march them across the border at gun point. Then build the fence. What would happen to your fast food industry? Your lawns would be over-run within a month too Quit watering. That will take care of the lawn problem. And with with no fast food, also heart disease and obesity, all with one fell swoop! Sounds like a win-win to me. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:11:45 PM EDT
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A thread, with a poll, indicating that a majority of texans and non texans alike no longer want to be part of the US... And it turns into a Texas is awesome circle jerk fest...
You guys crack me up. Seriously. I The Texas sucks jerk fast is pumping furiously and catching up. At this rate, everyone is going to need a lot more lube ASAP. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:17:10 PM EDT
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The Texas sucks jerk fast is pumping furiously and catching up. At this rate, everyone is going to need a lot more lube ASAP. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A thread, with a poll, indicating that a majority of texans and non texans alike no longer want to be part of the US... And it turns into a Texas is awesome circle jerk fest...
You guys crack me up. Seriously. I The Texas sucks jerk fast is pumping furiously and catching up. At this rate, everyone is going to need a lot more lube ASAP. Good thing we have oil here. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:18:43 PM EDT
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Quoted: Just because I think GD will have fun with this one, a question: Texas decides to hold a vote similar to the one Scotland is having right now: To withdraw completely from the United States and become an independent Republic of Texas again. How would you vote if you could? Poll incoming with choices for everyone. Well, Texas joined the Union for much the same reason Scotland joined the Union. Both were fucking broke and couldn't manage their debt so they joined willingly. Neither worked successfully well as an independent nation. If Texas wants independence I support it but don't come crawling back when you're broke.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:19:42 PM EDT
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You would be obligated to a per capita portion of said debts. Doesn't matter as Texas tried once already and a bunch of mild mannered Midwesterners showed them the error of their ways. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What do they do about the national debt? There is still a US, so it would still be a US problem.
Our municipal and ISD debts are massive though (as they are everywhere else). You would be obligated to a per capita portion of said debts. Doesn't matter as Texas tried once already and a bunch of mild mannered Midwesterners showed them the error of their ways. Quite a few Americans were willing to go to Texas to fight in Texas' secession war against the Mexican government. I guess that Union wasn't so perpetual. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:20:43 PM EDT
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Well, Texas joined the Union for much the same reason Scotland joined the Union. Both were fucking broke and couldn't manage their debt so they joined willingly. Neither worked successfully well as an independent nation. If Texas wants independence I support it but don't come crawling back when you're broke. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just because I think GD will have fun with this one, a question: Texas decides to hold a vote similar to the one Scotland is having right now: To withdraw completely from the United States and become an independent Republic of Texas again. How would you vote if you could? Poll incoming with choices for everyone. Well, Texas joined the Union for much the same reason Scotland joined the Union. Both were fucking broke and couldn't manage their debt so they joined willingly. Neither worked successfully well as an independent nation. If Texas wants independence I support it but don't come crawling back when you're broke. Deal. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:21:47 PM EDT
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And with with no fast food, also heart disease and obesity, all with one fell swoop! Sounds like a win-win to me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just read that Houston alone has around 400,000 illegals. How do they factor into this vote? What part of "illegal" is confusing you? We would march them across the border at gun point. Then build the fence. What would happen to your fast food industry? Your lawns would be over-run within a month too Quit watering. That will take care of the lawn problem. And with with no fast food, also heart disease and obesity, all with one fell swoop! Sounds like a win-win to me. Still scratching my head as to who's going to build that wall once they kick all the day laborers back into Mexico. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:22:36 PM EDT
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I'd vote goodbye. Hope it works out for you. I'd vote seceed and take me with you please! |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:22:57 PM EDT
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Basically, Texas won't shut up about how cool Texas is and the rest of the states are wearing out their eyeballs from all the rolling going on. I think the other 49 states would vote to kick Texas out, willing or not, if it meant we never had to hear about the Alamo again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a Brit I don;t really know enough about Texas and it;s relationship with the rest of the US to be able to make any sort of call on this. Basically, Texas won't shut up about how cool Texas is and the rest of the states are wearing out their eyeballs from all the rolling going on. I think the other 49 states would vote to kick Texas out, willing or not, if it meant we never had to hear about the Alamo again. 
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:23:54 PM EDT
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Put the entire gulf coast in the Texas Republic, and I'm in.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:29:23 PM EDT
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Without US military support Mexico would absorb Texas double quick instead of just quick, like they are doing now.  OR, without assholes holding the leash, we might actually defend our border. Just a thought. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:30:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Deal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just because I think GD will have fun with this one, a question: Texas decides to hold a vote similar to the one Scotland is having right now: To withdraw completely from the United States and become an independent Republic of Texas again. How would you vote if you could? Poll incoming with choices for everyone. Well, Texas joined the Union for much the same reason Scotland joined the Union. Both were fucking broke and couldn't manage their debt so they joined willingly. Neither worked successfully well as an independent nation. If Texas wants independence I support it but don't come crawling back when you're broke. Deal. What currency will you use? What will back it? What about National Defense? The Texas National Guard clearly isn't enough. What about foreign trade treaties and organizations? What will you join? How many companies will stay in Texas? What about water rights? Etc.... If Texas became independent, they'd be broke due to everything taken care of by the US government. It isn't sunshine and lollipops. It will be a hard struggle for Texas and it's citizens.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:31:09 PM EDT
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All you Texans need to calm your effing titties down; you ain't going anywhere, unless you outright take over by force, and I don't see that happening. So sit your asses down.
And you bet your ass I'm stirring the pot.  BWAHAHAHA!
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:31:18 PM EDT
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You would be obligated to a per capita portion of said debts. Doesn't matter as Texas tried once already and a bunch of mild mannered Midwesterners showed them the error of their ways. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What do they do about the national debt? There is still a US, so it would still be a US problem.
Our municipal and ISD debts are massive though (as they are everywhere else). You would be obligated to a per capita portion of said debts. Doesn't matter as Texas tried once already and a bunch of mild mannered Midwesterners showed them the error of their ways. Based on what, the well-settled precedent on how a nation splits up its debt when a state secedes? It's uncharted territory. They're not even sure what they're going to do in the UK if Scotland leaves. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:33:49 PM EDT
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What currency will you use? What will back it? What about National Defense? The Texas National Guard clearly isn't enough. What about foreign trade treaties and organizations? What will you join? How many companies will stay in Texas? What about water rights? Etc.... If Texas became independent, they'd be broke due to everything taken care of by the US government. It isn't sunshine and lollipops. It will be a hard struggle for Texas and it's citizens. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just because I think GD will have fun with this one, a question: Texas decides to hold a vote similar to the one Scotland is having right now: To withdraw completely from the United States and become an independent Republic of Texas again. How would you vote if you could? Poll incoming with choices for everyone. Well, Texas joined the Union for much the same reason Scotland joined the Union. Both were fucking broke and couldn't manage their debt so they joined willingly. Neither worked successfully well as an independent nation. If Texas wants independence I support it but don't come crawling back when you're broke. Deal. What currency will you use? What will back it? What about National Defense? The Texas National Guard clearly isn't enough. What about foreign trade treaties and organizations? What will you join? How many companies will stay in Texas? What about water rights? Etc.... If Texas became independent, they'd be broke due to everything taken care of by the US government. It isn't sunshine and lollipops. It will be a hard struggle for Texas and it's citizens. 
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:35:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Secede and I'll move to Texas. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:36:38 PM EDT
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Just because I think GD will have fun with this one, a question: Texas decides to hold a vote similar to the one Scotland is having right now: To withdraw completely from the United States and become an independent Republic of Texas again. How would you vote if you could? Poll incoming with choices for everyone. Most of your oil refining are belong to us! |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:36:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Still scratching my head as to who's going to build that wall once they kick all the day laborers back into Mexico. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:41:40 PM EDT
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If Texas secedes, can Texan-born US Citizens living in other states get at least dual-residency? A "right of return" to the Freedom promise land (some sarcasm included free of charge)?
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:41:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just because I think GD will have fun with this one, a question: Texas decides to hold a vote similar to the one Scotland is having right now: To withdraw completely from the United States and become an independent Republic of Texas again. How would you vote if you could? Poll incoming with choices for everyone. Well, Texas joined the Union for much the same reason Scotland joined the Union. Both were fucking broke and couldn't manage their debt so they joined willingly. Neither worked successfully well as an independent nation. If Texas wants independence I support it but don't come crawling back when you're broke. Deal. What currency will you use? What will back it? What about National Defense? The Texas National Guard clearly isn't enough. What about foreign trade treaties and organizations? What will you join? How many companies will stay in Texas? What about water rights? Etc.... If Texas became independent, they'd be broke due to everything taken care of by the US government. It isn't sunshine and lollipops. It will be a hard struggle for Texas and it's citizens. So your national defense, currency, foreign affairs, protection of goods in foreign markets, protection of production and IP, infrastructure, water rights, etc... are all done by the State? Sure, you send out more money than you get back in taxes but the Fed does a lot that the State doesn't do. If Texas became an independent nation it will find out it isn't easy in the world.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:46:33 PM EDT
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Still scratching my head as to who's going to build that wall once they kick all the day laborers back into Mexico. Stop all welfare. If you get hungry enough, we have a job for you building the fence. Or something. Easy, peasy. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:48:02 PM EDT
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How'd that whole secession thing work out last time? Actually, quite well. We kicked Mexico's butt. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:48:37 PM EDT
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Back into Mexico? Taking them to Oklahoma and Louisiana is WAY easier. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Still scratching my head as to who's going to build that wall once they kick all the day laborers back into Mexico. Hell, send a few of the nicer taco stands up our way. I suspect we'd have to put a fence to keep them here through the winter, though. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:50:51 PM EDT
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The only issue with this is the border issue. Texas will get overrun so bad. Actually quite the opposite. Federal gov't does not do a thing about it anyway. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:51:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Without US military support Mexico would absorb Texas double quick instead of just quick, like they are doing now.    |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:52:28 PM EDT
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Basically, Texas won't shut up about how cool Texas is and the rest of the states are wearing out their eyeballs from all the rolling going on. I think the other 49 states would vote to kick Texas out, willing or not, if it meant we never had to hear about the Alamo again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a Brit I don;t really know enough about Texas and it;s relationship with the rest of the US to be able to make any sort of call on this. Basically, Texas won't shut up about how cool Texas is and the rest of the states are wearing out their eyeballs from all the rolling going on. I think the other 49 states would vote to kick Texas out, willing or not, if it meant we never had to hear about the Alamo again. 
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:53:24 PM EDT
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What currency will you use? What will back it? What about National Defense? The Texas National Guard clearly isn't enough. What about foreign trade treaties and organizations? What will you join? How many companies will stay in Texas? What about water rights? Etc.... If Texas became independent, they'd be broke due to everything taken care of by the US government. It isn't sunshine and lollipops. It will be a hard struggle for Texas and it's citizens. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just because I think GD will have fun with this one, a question: Texas decides to hold a vote similar to the one Scotland is having right now: To withdraw completely from the United States and become an independent Republic of Texas again. How would you vote if you could? Poll incoming with choices for everyone. Well, Texas joined the Union for much the same reason Scotland joined the Union. Both were fucking broke and couldn't manage their debt so they joined willingly. Neither worked successfully well as an independent nation. If Texas wants independence I support it but don't come crawling back when you're broke. Deal. What currency will you use? What will back it? What about National Defense? The Texas National Guard clearly isn't enough. What about foreign trade treaties and organizations? What will you join? How many companies will stay in Texas? What about water rights? Etc.... If Texas became independent, they'd be broke due to everything taken care of by the US government. It isn't sunshine and lollipops. It will be a hard struggle for Texas and it's citizens. You seem to be on the wrong website, democraticunderground is that way. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:54:30 PM EDT
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I would vote TX out and then move to TX and become a citizen of that great Republic. 
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:55:05 PM EDT
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So your national defense, currency, foreign affairs, protection of goods in foreign markets, protection of production and IP, infrastructure, water rights, etc... are all done by the State? Sure, you send out more money than you get back in taxes but the Fed does a lot that the State doesn't do. If Texas became an independent nation it will find out it isn't easy in the world. I think Texas could do very well without any more of Don Sambino's "protection" of production or infrastructure or goods for awhile. And what makes you think Texas can't handle defense of it's borders? Texas has much of the necessary infrastructure to build ALOT of it's own hardware. You list some problems, but none seem as insurmountable as you make them out to be. And you say nothing of the problems faced by the USA if the USA were to be a dickbutt and try to economically isolate Texas. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:56:02 PM EDT
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Well, Texas passed a voter ID law. The Feds struck it down. You figure out how it would go. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just read that Houston alone has around 400,000 illegals. How do they factor into this vote? Well, Texas passed a voter ID law. The Feds struck it down. You figure out how it would go. Just like they did CA's +20 years ago.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:59:28 PM EDT
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What currency will you use? What will back it? What about National Defense? The Texas National Guard clearly isn't enough. What about foreign trade treaties and organizations? What will you join? How many companies will stay in Texas? What about water rights? Etc.... If Texas became independent, they'd be broke due to everything taken care of by the US government. It isn't sunshine and lollipops. It will be a hard struggle for Texas and it's citizens. Hush your mouth. 
Every month when this post comes up someone starts talking all facts and bringing up that the last time Texas succeeded from the Union the War of Northern Aggression broke out and a bunch of Yankees got lucky and kicked their asses but this time it's going to be different somehow. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:00:30 PM EDT
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Hush your mouth.
Every month when this post comes up someone starts talking all facts and bringing up that the last time Texas succeeded from the Union the War of Northern Aggression broke out and a bunch of Yankees got lucky and kicked their asses but this time it's going to be different somehow. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What currency will you use? What will back it? What about National Defense? The Texas National Guard clearly isn't enough. What about foreign trade treaties and organizations? What will you join? How many companies will stay in Texas? What about water rights? Etc.... If Texas became independent, they'd be broke due to everything taken care of by the US government. It isn't sunshine and lollipops. It will be a hard struggle for Texas and it's citizens. Hush your mouth.
Every month when this post comes up someone starts talking all facts and bringing up that the last time Texas succeeded from the Union the War of Northern Aggression broke out and a bunch of Yankees got lucky and kicked their asses but this time it's going to be different somehow. You have to spell it correctly before you can mock it, wiseass.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:04:09 PM EDT
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I voted to stay and fight. Never been a quitter, not gonna start now.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:08:12 PM EDT
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I voted to stay and fight. Never been a quitter, not gonna start now. same here. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:10:04 PM EDT
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A better question would be to see if they would lead a take-over of the federal government! Missed this comment earlier. We tried, but the guy who led the charge forgot how to count and the attempt failed.
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