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Posted: 9/20/2014 1:40:10 PM EDT
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Ours enter muzzle depressed and safety on. We had a training recently where a former military guy said we should be entering sweeping the room with our muzzles and safety off. NO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And running a gun with the safety off. iirc. Yup.......might as well play with a blow torch in a swimming pool full of gas. I'm shocked certain teams still operate this way. Ours enter muzzle depressed and safety on. We had a training recently where a former military guy said we should be entering sweeping the room with our muzzles and safety off. NO. WTF? |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 2:22:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm going to use the same argument that some on here use when the roles are reversed. If he thought he didn't do anything wrong, why did he lie and try to cover it up? Probably used to counting on qualified immunity and not ever having had to deal with accountability. |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 3:21:45 PM EDT
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I'm going to use the same argument that some on here use when the roles are reversed. If he thought he didn't do anything wrong, why did he lie and try to cover it up? Probably used to counting on qualified immunity and not ever having had to deal with accountability. Or they made sure Ofc. Goodytwoshoes never was in the stack. |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 5:15:22 PM EDT
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I'm going to use the same argument that some on here use when the roles are reversed. If he thought he didn't do anything wrong, why did he lie and try to cover it up? Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm going to use the same argument that some on here use when the roles are reversed. If he thought he didn't do anything wrong, why did he lie and try to cover it up? Probably used to counting on qualified immunity and not ever having had to deal with accountability.
Possibly, dunno. I would be willing to cut him a whole bunch of slack for what was probably a terrible accident due to fuckery (what do I know, maybe a riot shield and smg is the standard) except for the attempted cover-up. Ultimately, IMO, those who enjoy the privilege of qualified immunity must also bear the responsibility of doing the utmost to make sure their actions are above reproach. 
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Posted: 9/20/2014 5:36:58 PM EDT
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It doesn't matter if your finger is on the trigger or not. It will move there as you clench your fist. Try to make a fist without moving your trigger finger. Even trying, it still moves a little. Under stress, you clench all fingers at the same time. Its a function of time...if you have that stutter step or if you reach to grab something with your left hand, your right hand will do the same thing your left hand does. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would bet money that he entered, turned left, didn't see the couch bc he had the shield up, tripped, flinched in reaction to falling, and clinched his fist...boom. Same thing would have happened with a Glock. I fell with a shield once and didn't flinch as it was over too quickly but if you get a stutter step, I could see it. Keep your finger off the trigger, sounds negligent to me. You are responsible for every bullet that leaves your gun. PS: That's a period at the end there, not an asterisk with a note that says "Unless you trip" Voluntary vs involuntary reaction. When hit with a bucket of cold water, what do people do? Flinch, inhale deeply, crouch slightly...they don't consciously decide to do that...they just do. Not justifying it...that entire show was clown shoes. They looked unprofessional in the episode I saw. Falling with a loaded weapon in your hand is uber dangerous. Sure it is. It's even more so when your finger is on the trigger and the safety is off. I'd expect a professional law enforcement officer and highly trained swat team member to understand that and therefore not act in a manner that increases the likelihood of a catastrophic outcome. Again, negligence. It doesn't matter if your finger is on the trigger or not. It will move there as you clench your fist. Try to make a fist without moving your trigger finger. Even trying, it still moves a little. Under stress, you clench all fingers at the same time. Its a function of time...if you have that stutter step or if you reach to grab something with your left hand, your right hand will do the same thing your left hand does. So he has his hand on the grip, index finger extended outside the trigger guard, and his finger contracts and moves laterally at the same time, placing it inside the guard on the trigger? Not buying it. |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 7:12:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So he has his hand on the grip, index finger extended outside the trigger guard, and his finger contracts and moves laterally at the same time, placing it inside the guard on the trigger? Not buying it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Keep your finger off the trigger, sounds negligent to me. You are responsible for every bullet that leaves your gun. PS: That's a period at the end there, not an asterisk with a note that says "Unless you trip" Voluntary vs involuntary reaction. When hit with a bucket of cold water, what do people do? Flinch, inhale deeply, crouch slightly...they don't consciously decide to do that...they just do. Not justifying it...that entire show was clown shoes. They looked unprofessional in the episode I saw. Falling with a loaded weapon in your hand is uber dangerous. Sure it is. It's even more so when your finger is on the trigger and the safety is off. I'd expect a professional law enforcement officer and highly trained swat team member to understand that and therefore not act in a manner that increases the likelihood of a catastrophic outcome. Again, negligence. It doesn't matter if your finger is on the trigger or not. It will move there as you clench your fist. Try to make a fist without moving your trigger finger. Even trying, it still moves a little. Under stress, you clench all fingers at the same time. Its a function of time...if you have that stutter step or if you reach to grab something with your left hand, your right hand will do the same thing your left hand does. So he has his hand on the grip, index finger extended outside the trigger guard, and his finger contracts and moves laterally at the same time, placing it inside the guard on the trigger? Not buying it. You'll buy it. And you'll like it too civilian. Cans will be provided. |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 11:18:13 PM EDT
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[Bb]Quoted:[/b] Possibly, dunno. I would be willing to cut him a whole bunch of slack for what was probably a terrible accident due to fuckery (what do I know, maybe a riot shield and smg is the standard) except for the attempted cover-up. Ultimately, IMO, those who enjoy the privilege of qualified immunity must also bear the responsibility of doing the utmost to make sure their actions are above reproach. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm going to use the same argument that some on here use when the roles are reversed. If he thought he didn't do anything wrong, why did he lie and try to cover it up? Probably used to counting on qualified immunity and not ever having had to deal with accountability.
Possibly, dunno. I would be willing to cut him a whole bunch of slack for what was probably a terrible accident due to fuckery (what do I know, maybe a riot shield and smg is the standard) except for the attempted cover-up. Ultimately, IMO, those who enjoy the privilege of qualified immunity must also bear the responsibility of doing the utmost to make sure their actions are above reproach. It's not standard. It's retarded. I've never breached a house or used a shield and I can tell you that. |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 12:02:59 PM EDT
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Former Detroit Police officer Raymond Trammell, who retired Friday, also testified Monday. He was an instructor in the Detroit Police Academy who later joined the Special Response Team. Trammell said during the 640 hours of training to join the elite unit, candidates were taught how to handle a firearm. That's a crucial component of Assistant Prosecutor Robert Moran's case, since he contends Weekley deviated from his training by keeping his finger on the trigger of his weapon during the raid. It was brought up several times during the first trial. Trammell, who watched the house prior to the raid, saw Owens and another man come outside. "I noticed someone coming out," he said. "He walked about 10 feet away from my car. "I was tucked down in my seat; I don't know if they made me or not. I conveyed the message to our crew that I think our suspect was walking in the street." Trammell said he called for backup, but that Owens went back into the house before they arrived. Moran asked Trammell why he didn't just get out of his car and arrest Owens. "My mission was surveillance," Trammell said. "That's against our policy. Unless it's a life-threatening situation, we're supposed to stay put." Filming of raid questioned in Weekley trial testimony |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 3:17:40 PM EDT
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We need a bumpski.
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Posted: 9/27/2014 7:26:59 AM EDT
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We may have a 3rd trial due to a mistrial with this one. The judge can't control her court.
Grandmother lashes out at defendant during Weekley trial Detroit — The lawyer for the officer accused in the shooting death of a 7-year-old girl during a police raid is considering asking for a mistrial after a lengthy outburst in court Wednesday by the girl's grandmother. As Jones was led from the witness stand, Jones told Weekley: "You know I never touched you, Mr. Weekley. She was only 7 years old. She was only a baby.
"Why y'all do this to me? I get no sleep. I'm sick as hell. I get flashbacks; I wouldn't wish them on nobody in the world — not even you." Weekley's lawyer, Steve Fishman, said he's "never seen anything like it in almost 41 years as a trial lawyer." "He shot her in the head and he wouldn't even help her," Jones testified. "Oh, my god, oh, Jesus. Why did he kill her? Why did you do that?"
Jones became overcome with emotion and had to be escorted out of court, which recessed early and will reconvene on Monday. "You killed my grandbaby and tried to blame me," said Jones. http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/wayne-county/2014/09/24/aiyanas-aunt-testifies-detroit-officers-trial/16148953/ http://wkzo.com/news/articles/2014/sep/24/grandmother-of-girl-killed-by-detroit-police-testifies-at-trial/ |
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Posted: 9/27/2014 7:35:13 AM EDT
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You're inside your home, you and your kid are laying on the couch. I bust in the door and a shot is fired, your kid is dead with a bullet hole in their head. What's your take? Is there any way on earth you would even consider that it wasn't my fault. Do you see anything other than I walked in and shot your kid in the head? No? Of course not. She doesn't have to give the police officer ANY benefit of the doubt towards his claim it was an accident. And she shouldn't. The girl is dead by his hand, simple as that. He claims accident, she sees murder. The truth is somewhere in between, but I back grandma up 1000% on calling Weekly a murderer. To her, he is and always will be. That's why YOU own every bullet that leaves the barrel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So grandma is claiming the cop walked up to a sleeping child and just shot her in the head on purpose? If so, I know she is lying. I was willing to buy there may be some type of gear induced AD but I don't believe for one second he intentionally shot the girl. That's been the problem with the grandmother's statements all along from what I have heard from talking heads on new shows. You're inside your home, you and your kid are laying on the couch. I bust in the door and a shot is fired, your kid is dead with a bullet hole in their head. What's your take? Is there any way on earth you would even consider that it wasn't my fault. Do you see anything other than I walked in and shot your kid in the head? No? Of course not. She doesn't have to give the police officer ANY benefit of the doubt towards his claim it was an accident. And she shouldn't. The girl is dead by his hand, simple as that. He claims accident, she sees murder. The truth is somewhere in between, but I back grandma up 1000% on calling Weekly a murderer. To her, he is and always will be. That's why YOU own every bullet that leaves the barrel. This all day long and twice on Sunday. |
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Posted: 9/27/2014 7:48:12 AM EDT
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So grandma is claiming the cop walked up to a sleeping child and just shot her in the head on purpose? If so, I know she is lying. I was willing to buy there may be some type of gear induced AD but I don't believe for one second he intentionally shot the girl. I find it interesting that you "know" the grandmother is lying about what the cop's defense attorney said she saw, when in reality, the one person we know that lied is the cop himself, when he said the grandmother struggled with him and caused the round to go off, killing the girl. You've got a liar standing right in front of you and you look past him at the grandmother and accuse her of lying based on something the liar's defense attorney said she said. |
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Posted: 9/27/2014 7:59:23 AM EDT
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A bunch of people here are arguing over the minutia of gear, shields, fingers, triggers, smoke, and policies. I guess that's OK. Me? I think the most egregious thing about this case is how the officer in question lied about the grandmother fighting with him and that it was her that caused the gun to go off, killing the girl.
As is usually the case, the cover-up is worse than the initial offense, no matter how the shooting actually happened. |
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Posted: 9/27/2014 8:37:01 AM EDT
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What a hero. He blames his "accidental trigger pull" on movement by someone his weapon wasn't even pointed at. In to see who backs this breathing piece of afterbirth. It's one thing to accidentally kill someone during a SWAT raid, but to have a conspiracy to cover it up and blame the victims is outrageous. Makes you wonder how many times it does happen and successfully gets covered up? |
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Posted: 9/27/2014 11:21:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Makes you wonder how many times it does happen and successfully gets covered up? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What a hero. He blames his "accidental trigger pull" on movement by someone his weapon wasn't even pointed at. In to see who backs this breathing piece of afterbirth. It's one thing to accidentally kill someone during a SWAT raid, but to have a conspiracy to cover it up and blame the victims is outrageous. Makes you wonder how many times it does happen and successfully gets covered up? Nah, no way. Too many good cops out there that really hate bad cops and would step right up to do the right thing. Right? |
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Posted: 9/27/2014 1:43:52 PM EDT
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I find it interesting that you "know" the grandmother is lying about what the cop's defense attorney said she saw, when in reality, the one person we know that lied is the cop himself, when he said the grandmother struggled with him and caused the round to go off, killing the girl. You've got a liar standing right in front of you and you look past him at the grandmother and accuse her of lying based on something the liar's defense attorney said she said. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So grandma is claiming the cop walked up to a sleeping child and just shot her in the head on purpose? If so, I know she is lying. I was willing to buy there may be some type of gear induced AD but I don't believe for one second he intentionally shot the girl. I find it interesting that you "know" the grandmother is lying about what the cop's defense attorney said she saw, when in reality, the one person we know that lied is the cop himself, when he said the grandmother struggled with him and caused the round to go off, killing the girl. You've got a liar standing right in front of you and you look past him at the grandmother and accuse her of lying based on something the liar's defense attorney said she said. 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:31:32 AM EDT
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Judge denies mistrial motion in Detroit cop case
Detroit — A Wayne Circuit judge ruled Monday she won't grant a mistrial based on a tirade by the grandmother of Aiyana Stanley-Jones, who broke down on the witness stand last week while recounting a police raid in which Detroit Police Officer Joseph Weekley killed the young girl seconds after he entered the house.
However, the judge said she will warn the grandmother, Mertilla Jones, that future outbursts won't be tolerated, and that if there was another such display, the case would be declared a mistrial and could result in double jeopardy, meaning the case against Weekley could not go forward. http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/wayne-county/2014/09/29/trial-detroit-cop-killed-girl-resuming/16414833/ |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 11:10:18 AM EDT
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I find it interesting that you "know" the grandmother is lying about what the cop's defense attorney said she saw, when in reality, the one person we know that lied is the cop himself, when he said the grandmother struggled with him and caused the round to go off, killing the girl. You've got a liar standing right in front of you and you look past him at the grandmother and accuse her of lying based on something the liar's defense attorney said she said. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So grandma is claiming the cop walked up to a sleeping child and just shot her in the head on purpose? If so, I know she is lying. I was willing to buy there may be some type of gear induced AD but I don't believe for one second he intentionally shot the girl. I find it interesting that you "know" the grandmother is lying about what the cop's defense attorney said she saw, when in reality, the one person we know that lied is the cop himself, when he said the grandmother struggled with him and caused the round to go off, killing the girl. You've got a liar standing right in front of you and you look past him at the grandmother and accuse her of lying based on something the liar's defense attorney said she said. No one seems to refute what he said about her. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:18:32 PM EDT
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Two seconds after a flashbang, an elderly woman is grappling with a SWAT officer for his weapon?
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Posted: 10/1/2014 2:01:15 PM EDT
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So grandma is claiming the cop walked up to a sleeping child and just shot her in the head on purpose? If so, I know she is lying. I was willing to buy there may be some type of gear induced AD but I don't believe for one second he intentionally shot the girl. I find it interesting that you "know" the grandmother is lying about what the cop's defense attorney said she saw, when in reality, the one person we know that lied is the cop himself, when he said the grandmother struggled with him and caused the round to go off, killing the girl. You've got a liar standing right in front of you and you look past him at the grandmother and accuse her of lying based on something the liar's defense attorney said she said. http://www.randomfunstuff.com/catalog/Aviator%20Blue%20Mirror%20Sunglasses%20by%20Pacific%20Coast%20KDs%2080012%20Smoke%20Silver.jpg Clutching a tissue in her left hand, she was very calm, even when a defense lawyer suggested her screams and tears last week were intentional. “Your demeanor’s a lot different today than it was Wednesday, don’t you agree?” asked Fishman. Jones repeated her claim that Weekley intentionally killed Aiyana Stanley-Jones in 2010 during a midnight search for a murder suspect. Jones, who has two sons in prison for murder, acknowledged to Fishman that she has said she hates police. http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/09/30/key-witness-is-calm-the-2nd-time-testifying-in-cops-trial-for-girls-fatal-shooting/ |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 3:11:47 PM EDT
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Clutching a tissue in her left hand, she was very calm, even when a defense lawyer suggested her screams and tears last week were intentional. “Your demeanor’s a lot different today than it was Wednesday, don’t you agree?” asked Fishman. Jones repeated her claim that Weekley intentionally killed Aiyana Stanley-Jones in 2010 during a midnight search for a murder suspect. Jones, who has two sons in prison for murder, acknowledged to Fishman that she has said she hates police. http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/09/30/key-witness-is-calm-the-2nd-time-testifying-in-cops-trial-for-girls-fatal-shooting/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So grandma is claiming the cop walked up to a sleeping child and just shot her in the head on purpose? If so, I know she is lying. I was willing to buy there may be some type of gear induced AD but I don't believe for one second he intentionally shot the girl. I find it interesting that you "know" the grandmother is lying about what the cop's defense attorney said she saw, when in reality, the one person we know that lied is the cop himself, when he said the grandmother struggled with him and caused the round to go off, killing the girl. You've got a liar standing right in front of you and you look past him at the grandmother and accuse her of lying based on something the liar's defense attorney said she said. http://www.randomfunstuff.com/catalog/Aviator%20Blue%20Mirror%20Sunglasses%20by%20Pacific%20Coast%20KDs%2080012%20Smoke%20Silver.jpg Clutching a tissue in her left hand, she was very calm, even when a defense lawyer suggested her screams and tears last week were intentional. “Your demeanor’s a lot different today than it was Wednesday, don’t you agree?” asked Fishman. Jones repeated her claim that Weekley intentionally killed Aiyana Stanley-Jones in 2010 during a midnight search for a murder suspect. Jones, who has two sons in prison for murder, acknowledged to Fishman that she has said she hates police. http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/09/30/key-witness-is-calm-the-2nd-time-testifying-in-cops-trial-for-girls-fatal-shooting/ You can harp on the grandmother all you want. The officer shot her grand daughter in the head. Other officers backed him up on it by claiming she was fighting "Brain" when the gun went off. One officer that was there felt that was wrong and told the truth. A grand mother who witnessed one officer shoot her grand daughter in the head, and is then framed by some other officers says she hates police. Shocking I tell you shocking. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 3:47:37 PM EDT
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Jones, who has two sons in prison for murder, acknowledged to Fishman that she has said she hates police. http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/09/30/key-witness-is-calm-the-2nd-time-testifying-in-cops-trial-for-girls-fatal-shooting/ I'm going to go out on a limb and say Grandma doesn't understand the difference between murder, manslaughter, or accident. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:07:09 PM EDT
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say Grandma doesn't understand the difference between murder, manslaughter, or accident. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jones, who has two sons in prison for murder, acknowledged to Fishman that she has said she hates police. http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/09/30/key-witness-is-calm-the-2nd-time-testifying-in-cops-trial-for-girls-fatal-shooting/ I'm going to go out on a limb and say Grandma doesn't understand the difference between murder, manslaughter, or accident. Women who have their grand kids killed in front of them and then get framed for it by the guys that actually did it can be rather unreasonable. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:10:41 PM EDT
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say Grandma doesn't understand the difference between murder, manslaughter, or accident. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jones, who has two sons in prison for murder, acknowledged to Fishman that she has said she hates police. http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/09/30/key-witness-is-calm-the-2nd-time-testifying-in-cops-trial-for-girls-fatal-shooting/ I'm going to go out on a limb and say Grandma doesn't understand the difference between murder, manslaughter, or accident. She should two of her sons are in prison for murder. A person wanted for murder was a family member in the same duplex. I know she is lying about the cop intentionally shooting the girl. Pretty sure she is a mah baby didn't do nothing type. So do I think it's possible she got into a struggle with the cop and the gun went off? Sure. Do I think the cop came in and got tangled up with a hot weapon and accidently shot the kid? Sure it could happen. Do I think grandma would lie about what happened to cover up her own deal with the cops? No doubts. Do I think she put on show in court the other day to sway the jury? No doubt at all. If she has been through two murder trials of her sons and the last trial with this case she has more court time than most cops I know. If this is such a slam dunk case why did he not get convicted the first time? |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:12:30 PM EDT
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Jones, who has two sons in prison for murder, acknowledged to Fishman that she has said she hates police. http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/09/30/key-witness-is-calm-the-2nd-time-testifying-in-cops-trial-for-girls-fatal-shooting/ I'm going to go out on a limb and say Grandma doesn't understand the difference between murder, manslaughter, or accident. Women who have their grand kids killed in front of them and then get framed for it by the guys that actually did it can be rather unreasonable. I doubt she was a badge bunny before her grand daughter was killed by a cop's round. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:14:05 PM EDT
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She should two of her sons are in prison for murder. A person wanted for murder was a family member in the same duplex. I know she is lying about the cop intentionally shooting the girl. Pretty sure she is a mah baby didn't do nothing type. So do I think it's possible she got into a struggle with the cop and the gun went off? Sure. Do I think the cop came in and got tangled up with a hot weapon and accidently shot the kid? Sure it could happen. Do I think grandma would lie about what happened to cover up her own deal with the cops? No doubts. Do I think she put on show in court the other day to sway the jury? No doubt at all. If she has been through two murder trials of her sons and the last trial with this case she has more court time than most cops I know. If this is such a slam dunk case why did he not get convicted the first time? Why do you hate freedom Mr. badge licking JBT apologist? |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:16:32 PM EDT
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You can harp on the grandmother all you want. The officer shot her grand daughter in the head. Other officers backed him up on it by claiming she was fighting "Brain" when the gun went off. One officer that was there felt that was wrong and told the truth. A grand mother who witnessed one officer shoot her grand daughter in the head, and is then framed by some other officers says she hates police. Shocking I tell you shocking. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So grandma is claiming the cop walked up to a sleeping child and just shot her in the head on purpose? If so, I know she is lying. I was willing to buy there may be some type of gear induced AD but I don't believe for one second he intentionally shot the girl. I find it interesting that you "know" the grandmother is lying about what the cop's defense attorney said she saw, when in reality, the one person we know that lied is the cop himself, when he said the grandmother struggled with him and caused the round to go off, killing the girl. You've got a liar standing right in front of you and you look past him at the grandmother and accuse her of lying based on something the liar's defense attorney said she said. http://www.randomfunstuff.com/catalog/Aviator%20Blue%20Mirror%20Sunglasses%20by%20Pacific%20Coast%20KDs%2080012%20Smoke%20Silver.jpg Clutching a tissue in her left hand, she was very calm, even when a defense lawyer suggested her screams and tears last week were intentional. “Your demeanor’s a lot different today than it was Wednesday, don’t you agree?” asked Fishman. Jones repeated her claim that Weekley intentionally killed Aiyana Stanley-Jones in 2010 during a midnight search for a murder suspect. Jones, who has two sons in prison for murder, acknowledged to Fishman that she has said she hates police. http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/09/30/key-witness-is-calm-the-2nd-time-testifying-in-cops-trial-for-girls-fatal-shooting/ You can harp on the grandmother all you want. The officer shot her grand daughter in the head. Other officers backed him up on it by claiming she was fighting "Brain" when the gun went off. One officer that was there felt that was wrong and told the truth. A grand mother who witnessed one officer shoot her grand daughter in the head, and is then framed by some other officers says she hates police. Shocking I tell you shocking. How do you know that the others officer isn't lying? How do you know Brian isn't lying? How do you know Grandma isn't lying? You don't.....nor do I.........but I'll put this out there: Grandma hated the police long before this incident...... The cops fucked up in my opinion no doubts there......not just Brian......the whole thing is a goat fuck |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:18:22 PM EDT
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Jones, who has two sons in prison for murder, acknowledged to Fishman that she has said she hates police. http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/09/30/key-witness-is-calm-the-2nd-time-testifying-in-cops-trial-for-girls-fatal-shooting/ I'm going to go out on a limb and say Grandma doesn't understand the difference between murder, manslaughter, or accident. Women who have their grand kids killed in front of them and then get framed for it by the guys that actually did it can be rather unreasonable. I doubt she was a badge bunny before her grand daughter was killed by a cop's round. That is actually about as likely as Brain decided this was the first time he was going to lie in the course of duty. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:19:06 PM EDT
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Grandma hated the police long before this incident...... The cops fucked up in my opinion no doubts there......not just Brian......the whole thing is a goat fuck Agree. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:19:35 PM EDT
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That is actually about as likely as Brain decided this was the first time he was going to lie in the course of duty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jones, who has two sons in prison for murder, acknowledged to Fishman that she has said she hates police. http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/09/30/key-witness-is-calm-the-2nd-time-testifying-in-cops-trial-for-girls-fatal-shooting/ I'm going to go out on a limb and say Grandma doesn't understand the difference between murder, manslaughter, or accident. Women who have their grand kids killed in front of them and then get framed for it by the guys that actually did it can be rather unreasonable. I doubt she was a badge bunny before her grand daughter was killed by a cop's round. That is actually about as likely as Brain decided this was the first time he was going to lie in the course of duty. How do you know Brain is lying? |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:20:18 PM EDT
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.... The cops fucked up in my opinion no doubts there......not just Brian......the whole thing is a goat fuck The unfortunate part is that this is pretty well accepted but this goat fuck that ended up with a dead kid has a good chance of having zero people held accountable. 
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:20:57 PM EDT
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Jones, who has two sons in prison for murder, acknowledged to Fishman that she has said she hates police. http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/09/30/key-witness-is-calm-the-2nd-time-testifying-in-cops-trial-for-girls-fatal-shooting/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So grandma is claiming the cop walked up to a sleeping child and just shot her in the head on purpose? If so, I know she is lying. I was willing to buy there may be some type of gear induced AD but I don't believe for one second he intentionally shot the girl. I find it interesting that you "know" the grandmother is lying about what the cop's defense attorney said she saw, when in reality, the one person we know that lied is the cop himself, when he said the grandmother struggled with him and caused the round to go off, killing the girl. You've got a liar standing right in front of you and you look past him at the grandmother and accuse her of lying based on something the liar's defense attorney said she said. http://www.randomfunstuff.com/catalog/Aviator%20Blue%20Mirror%20Sunglasses%20by%20Pacific%20Coast%20KDs%2080012%20Smoke%20Silver.jpg Jones, who has two sons in prison for murder, acknowledged to Fishman that she has said she hates police. http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/09/30/key-witness-is-calm-the-2nd-time-testifying-in-cops-trial-for-girls-fatal-shooting/ Let's see, a police officer killed her grand-daughter and then a bunch of officers tried to frame her for doing it. Nope, I see no reason why the grandmother would hate the police. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:22:55 PM EDT
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How do you know Brain is lying? Police first floated the story that Aiyana's grandmother had grabbed Weekley's gun. Then, realizing that sounded implausible, they said she'd brushed the gun as she ran past the door. But the grandmother says she was lying on the far side of the couch, away from the door. ... Shawn Stallard said he was just an arms-length behind Officer Joseph Weekley when they burst into the home while a stun grenade was thrown through a window to distract people inside. Weekley accidentally fired his gun a few seconds later, killing Aiyana Stanley-Jones. ... Stallard repeatedly told jurors that he saw no one in the vicinity, casting some doubt on Weekley’s claim that Aiyana’s grandmother grabbed the submachine gun. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:23:08 PM EDT
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The unfortunate part is that this is pretty well accepted but this goat fuck that ended up with a dead kid has a good chance of having zero people held accountable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.... The cops fucked up in my opinion no doubts there......not just Brian......the whole thing is a goat fuck The unfortunate part is that this is pretty well accepted but this goat fuck that ended up with a dead kid has a good chance of having zero people held accountable. Well........it's Detroit....... |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:24:23 PM EDT
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How do you know Brain is lying? Police first floated the story that Aiyana's grandmother had grabbed Weekley's gun. Then, realizing that sounded implausible, they said she'd brushed the gun as she ran past the door. But the grandmother says she was lying on the far side of the couch, away from the door. ... Shawn Stallard said he was just an arms-length behind Officer Joseph Weekley when they burst into the home while a stun grenade was thrown through a window to distract people inside. Weekley accidentally fired his gun a few seconds later, killing Aiyana Stanley-Jones. ... Stallard repeatedly told jurors that he saw no one in the vicinity, casting some doubt on Weekley’s claim that Aiyana’s grandmother grabbed the submachine gun. How do you know that isn't a lie? |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:24:28 PM EDT
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Let's see, a police officer killed her grand-daughter and then a bunch of officers tried to frame her for doing it. Nope, I see no reason why the grandmother would hate the police. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jones, who has two sons in prison for murder, acknowledged to Fishman that she has said she hates police. http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/09/30/key-witness-is-calm-the-2nd-time-testifying-in-cops-trial-for-girls-fatal-shooting/ Let's see, a police officer killed her grand-daughter and then a bunch of officers tried to frame her for doing it. Nope, I see no reason why the grandmother would hate the police. She has two sons in prison for murder. She hated cops before that day. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:24:52 PM EDT
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.... The cops fucked up in my opinion no doubts there......not just Brian......the whole thing is a goat fuck The unfortunate part is that this is pretty well accepted but this goat fuck that ended up with a dead kid has a good chance of having zero people held accountable. Well........it's Detroit....... Which still is, technically at least, still in America? |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:25:49 PM EDT
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She has two sons in prison for murder. She hated cops before that day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jones, who has two sons in prison for murder, acknowledged to Fishman that she has said she hates police. http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/09/30/key-witness-is-calm-the-2nd-time-testifying-in-cops-trial-for-girls-fatal-shooting/ Let's see, a police officer killed her grand-daughter and then a bunch of officers tried to frame her for doing it. Nope, I see no reason why the grandmother would hate the police. She has two sons in prison for murder. She hated cops before that day. .......she hated cops before that even 
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:25:58 PM EDT
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She has two sons in prison for murder. She hated cops before that day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jones, who has two sons in prison for murder, acknowledged to Fishman that she has said she hates police. http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/09/30/key-witness-is-calm-the-2nd-time-testifying-in-cops-trial-for-girls-fatal-shooting/ Let's see, a police officer killed her grand-daughter and then a bunch of officers tried to frame her for doing it. Nope, I see no reason why the grandmother would hate the police. She has two sons in prison for murder. She hated cops before that day. Why is this relevant at all? |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:26:54 PM EDT
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Jones, who has two sons in prison for murder, acknowledged to Fishman that she has said she hates police. http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/09/30/key-witness-is-calm-the-2nd-time-testifying-in-cops-trial-for-girls-fatal-shooting/ Let's see, a police officer killed her grand-daughter and then a bunch of officers tried to frame her for doing it. Nope, I see no reason why the grandmother would hate the police. She has two sons in prison for murder. She hated cops before that day. .......she hated cops before that even And I bet the officer had only the most pleasant thoughts about the residents of the area where he was raiding that night. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:29:00 PM EDT
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Jones, who has two sons in prison for murder, acknowledged to Fishman that she has said she hates police. http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/09/30/key-witness-is-calm-the-2nd-time-testifying-in-cops-trial-for-girls-fatal-shooting/ Let's see, a police officer killed her grand-daughter and then a bunch of officers tried to frame her for doing it. Nope, I see no reason why the grandmother would hate the police. She has two sons in prison for murder. She hated cops before that day. .......she hated cops before that even And I bet the officer had only the most pleasant thoughts about the residents of the area where he was raiding that night. $1000 says that his views of them were that they aren't model citizens 95% of arfcom would feel the same way |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:32:59 PM EDT
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She has two sons in prison for murder. She hated cops before that day. Why is this relevant at all? More reason for her to lie about what happened. I already know she lied about the cop executing the little girl so nothing else she says is believable. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:36:37 PM EDT
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More reason for her to lie about what happened. I already know she lied about the cop executing the little girl so nothing else she says is believable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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She has two sons in prison for murder. She hated cops before that day. Why is this relevant at all? More reason for her to lie about what happened. I already know she lied about the cop executing the little girl so nothing else she says is believable. So what about the officer that broke ranks to contradict Brain? Did he hate officers too? And frankly I don't blame someone for using emotional terms about the violent and unnecessary death of a family member in front of them. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:48:22 PM EDT
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So what about the officer that broke ranks to contradict Brain? Did he hate officers too? And frankly I don't blame someone for using emotional terms about the violent and unnecessary death of a family member in front of them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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More reason for her to lie about what happened. I already know she lied about the cop executing the little girl so nothing else she says is believable. So what about the officer that broke ranks to contradict Brain? Did he hate officers too? And frankly I don't blame someone for using emotional terms about the violent and unnecessary death of a family member in front of them. I hope he told what he knows. I don't expect every officer to tell the exact same story because they may not witness the exact same scene. A woman who has had two sons get convicted of murder knows what words mean. She maintains the officer intentionally killed the little girl, not an accident, that he put his hand on the gun and pulled the trigger on a little girl with the intent to kill her. That not does not pass the sniff test. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 7:09:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/1/2014 7:18:55 PM EDT
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How do you know Brain is lying? Police first floated the story that Aiyana's grandmother had grabbed Weekley's gun. Then, realizing that sounded implausible, they said she'd brushed the gun as she ran past the door. But the grandmother says she was lying on the far side of the couch, away from the door. ... Shawn Stallard said he was just an arms-length behind Officer Joseph Weekley when they burst into the home while a stun grenade was thrown through a window to distract people inside. Weekley accidentally fired his gun a few seconds later, killing Aiyana Stanley-Jones. ... Stallard repeatedly told jurors that he saw no one in the vicinity, casting some doubt on Weekley’s claim that Aiyana’s grandmother grabbed the submachine gun. How do you know that isn't a lie? What's his motivation to lie about that? Stallard isn't accused of any wrongdoing. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 12:36:32 AM EDT
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.... The cops fucked up in my opinion no doubts there......not just Brian......the whole thing is a goat fuck The unfortunate part is that this is pretty well accepted but this goat fuck that ended up with a dead kid has a good chance of having zero people held accountable. Accountable at all or specifically prison time? |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 1:29:28 AM EDT
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How do you know that the others officer isn't lying? How do you know Brian isn't lying? How do you know Grandma isn't lying? You don't.....nor do I.........but I'll put this out there: Grandma hated the police long before this incident...... The cops fucked up in my opinion no doubts there......not just Brian......the whole thing is a goat fuck I don't know or care if she did/does. She's not on trial. I guess the investigators could be lying about which weapon the bullet came from as well. Whole thing must be a Zionist conspiracy against the Brain. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 1:36:16 AM EDT
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How do you know Brain is lying? Police first floated the story that Aiyana's grandmother had grabbed Weekley's gun. Then, realizing that sounded implausible, they said she'd brushed the gun as she ran past the door. But the grandmother says she was lying on the far side of the couch, away from the door. ... Shawn Stallard said he was just an arms-length behind Officer Joseph Weekley when they burst into the home while a stun grenade was thrown through a window to distract people inside. Weekley accidentally fired his gun a few seconds later, killing Aiyana Stanley-Jones. ... Stallard repeatedly told jurors that he saw no one in the vicinity, casting some doubt on Weekley’s claim that Aiyana’s grandmother grabbed the submachine gun. AH HA! She was lying! 
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Posted: 10/2/2014 2:00:04 AM EDT
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say Grandma doesn't understand the difference between murder, manslaughter, or accident. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jones, who has two sons in prison for murder, acknowledged to Fishman that she has said she hates police. http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/09/30/key-witness-is-calm-the-2nd-time-testifying-in-cops-trial-for-girls-fatal-shooting/ I'm going to go out on a limb and say Grandma doesn't understand the difference between murder, manslaughter, or accident. When it's your granddaughter, who was killed in front of you, does it really matter???????????? Roy |
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