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Posted: 10/2/2014 7:46:59 PM EDT
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Why? arnt they both human beings? citizens of the USA? don't they both deserve equal protection under the Constitution? I think the truth is closer to cops want revenge on a cop killer and elected officials can't have the public out there taking the law into their own hands lest they come after them....hence 1100 cops and unlimited time/manpower/ budget compared to the hood rats 1-2 man detective team looking for a few days..sorry Bama, I have much respect for LEO..but I don't buy the BS excuses..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what you are saying then is from now on every murder should have 1100 officers on an all expense unlimited time/budget manhunt then? what makes this guy any different then the other what 35,999 murders out there? only difference I can see is it was .gov employees..right? do we agree if this was just 2 average citizens this guy shot that there wouldn't be 1100 officers and unlimited time/budget involved?only diff I see between this and any other murder is the fact it was .gov employee. Did they send 1100 officers to chicago for any one of the murders that took place there this weekend? Sorry, but I see no reason for this kind of expenditure after the first few days ..waiste of time/manpower and money..who's doing these 1100 cops jobs while they are out wandering the back country these last 3 weeks and the next how long? Beltway Sniper http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks Comparing hoodrats shooting each other to the targeted killing of LEO's in the fashion it was carried out is beyond stupid. Why? arnt they both human beings? citizens of the USA? don't they both deserve equal protection under the Constitution? I think the truth is closer to cops want revenge on a cop killer and elected officials can't have the public out there taking the law into their own hands lest they come after them....hence 1100 cops and unlimited time/manpower/ budget compared to the hood rats 1-2 man detective team looking for a few days..sorry Bama, I have much respect for LEO..but I don't buy the BS excuses..... Hoodrat cases generally fall into one of two catagories known shooter and soon captured or unknown shooter and never solved. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 8:00:02 PM EDT
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So what you are saying then is from now on every murder should have 1100 officers on an all expense unlimited time/budget manhunt then? what makes this guy any different then the other what 35,999 murders out there? only difference I can see is it was .gov employees..right? do we agree if this was just 2 average citizens this guy shot that there wouldn't be 1100 officers and unlimited time/budget involved?only diff I see between this and any other murder is the fact it was .gov employee. Did they send 1100 officers to chicago for any one of the murders that took place there this weekend? Sorry, but I see no reason for this kind of expenditure after the first few days ..waiste of time/manpower and money..who's doing these 1100 cops jobs while they are out wandering the back country these last 3 weeks and the next how long? Beltway Sniper http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks Comparing hoodrats shooting each other to the targeted killing of LEO's in the fashion it was carried out is beyond stupid. Why? arnt they both human beings? citizens of the USA? don't they both deserve equal protection under the Constitution? I think the truth is closer to cops want revenge on a cop killer and elected officials can't have the public out there taking the law into their own hands lest they come after them....hence 1100 cops and unlimited time/manpower/ budget compared to the hood rats 1-2 man detective team looking for a few days..sorry Bama, I have much respect for LEO..but I don't buy the BS excuses..... Hoodrat cases generally fall into one of two catagories known shooter and soon captured or unknown shooter and never solved. Yes, I understand that, but what does that change? and ok even if that changes a hood rat killing then how about joe citizen who got murdered this weekend? why is this guy worth 1100 cops vrs. any other murder that has happened this year? Let me ask this, if tomorrow morning at work your boss said "hey, we are looking for cops to go man the lines up north in PA and hunt this guy down" would you go? how many others in your outfit would want to go? now if he came out and said the same thing about Joe average citizen over in bum ville USA would you volunteer? how many of others in your outfit would? All I am saying is it sure appears that the only thing that makes this guy special and deserve 1100 cops with unlimited/budget/time constraints is that he shot at LEO's.. Every murder victim deserves the same treatment/manpower/budget/time constraints regardless of who they are , where they work/live and our constitution confirms that..... |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 8:01:19 PM EDT
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Is LE positive that was his AK they found?
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Posted: 10/2/2014 8:06:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Searches for lost children don't lock people out of their homes and ruin areas economically. I'm prepared to eat a whole crow with a side of humble pie on this one, but I'm telling yall he ain't there. Unless he has a well the amount of water alone he would need is staggering. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Water is no issue |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 8:16:23 PM EDT
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The airsofter with a bolt gun is a murderer who shot people from the woods. You make it sound like he's some guy who has been stealing newspapers off people's lawns. Even if the big police sweeps are not terribly effective why would you object to them carrying them out? Would you be complaining if they were looking for a lost child but seemed to have no leads? The guy is reportedly a crack shot. If he is out to kill cops, why hasn't he done it again? Obviously he is able to scamper away from the supposed sightings. Leave a hundred or so cops in critical areas and open it up. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 8:19:47 PM EDT
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Some of you guys are getting kind of nasty with each other. I've been following this for a while now and just wanted to inject a thought or two. Don't kill me, I'm just the messenger.
For the first week or so I thought this guy was just a psycho acting on impulse and would be cornered soon and brought to justice, one way or another. Now I'm not so sure. It seems to me that anyone who could survive "off the land" wouldn't want to and those who wanted to, couldn't. He must have known what kind of intensive search would result and the chances of surviving in that area would be slim. Just as a thought experiment let's consider: Suppose he had just one friend, girl friend, kin, buddy, whatever. Suppose he got the vehicle stuck on the way to the ambush. He guns down those poor cops and takes off on foot to meet his buddy waiting with a car. Even if he's not in very good shape he could cover two miles in 18 minutes. He would then have 42 minutes at least before any kind of containment could be set up. In a car, even traveling the speed limit, he's now thirty miles away. The police think he's on foot because they found his vehicle and set the containment relatively close. And if he salted the area the police would have to assume they were on the right track. Surely he could count on the many sightings that usually go along with any manhunt. He could probably count on a day or so before traveling out of state with PA tag would become risky. I ain't no genius but if I could think this up, anybody could. I think he's long gone. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 9:12:28 PM EDT
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Some of you guys are getting kind of nasty with each other. I've been following this for a while now and just wanted to inject a thought or two. Don't kill me, I'm just the messenger. For the first week or so I thought this guy was just a psycho acting on impulse and would be cornered soon and brought to justice, one way or another. Now I'm not so sure. It seems to me that anyone who could survive "off the land" wouldn't want to and those who wanted to, couldn't. He must have known what kind of intensive search would result and the chances of surviving in that area would be slim. Just as a thought experiment let's consider: Suppose he had just one friend, girl friend, kin, buddy, whatever. Suppose he got the vehicle stuck on the way to the ambush. He guns down those poor cops and takes off on foot to meet his buddy waiting with a car. Even if he's not in very good shape he could cover two miles in 18 minutes. He would then have 42 minutes at least before any kind of containment could be set up. In a car, even traveling the speed limit, he's now thirty miles away. The police think he's on foot because they found his vehicle and set the containment relatively close. And if he salted the area the police would have to assume they were on the right track. Surely he could count on the many sightings that usually go along with any manhunt. He could probably count on a day or so before traveling out of state with PA tag would become risky. I ain't no genius but if I could think this up, anybody could. I think he's long gone. So who made the phone call to the parents then? |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 9:20:25 PM EDT
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The buddy? Right before he destroys the phone.
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Posted: 10/2/2014 9:23:28 PM EDT
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Is it really that hard to hook up a timer circuit to a cell phone, leave the phone in a plastic bag, and have it call when the timer runs down?
ETA: I'm thinking like it's 2000, there's probably an app for that so you don't even need to wire anything up. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 9:40:22 PM EDT
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Eric Frein manhunt: 'Can't make my mortgage on $30 a day' |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 9:42:29 PM EDT
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Some of you guys are getting kind of nasty with each other. I've been following this for a while now and just wanted to inject a thought or two. Don't kill me, I'm just the messenger. For the first week or so I thought this guy was just a psycho acting on impulse and would be cornered soon and brought to justice, one way or another. Now I'm not so sure. It seems to me that anyone who could survive "off the land" wouldn't want to and those who wanted to, couldn't. He must have known what kind of intensive search would result and the chances of surviving in that area would be slim. Just as a thought experiment let's consider: Suppose he had just one friend, girl friend, kin, buddy, whatever. Suppose he got the vehicle stuck on the way to the ambush. He guns down those poor cops and takes off on foot to meet his buddy waiting with a car. Even if he's not in very good shape he could cover two miles in 18 minutes. He would then have 42 minutes at least before any kind of containment could be set up. In a car, even traveling the speed limit, he's now thirty miles away. The police think he's on foot because they found his vehicle and set the containment relatively close. And if he salted the area the police would have to assume they were on the right track. Surely he could count on the many sightings that usually go along with any manhunt. He could probably count on a day or so before traveling out of state with PA tag would become risky. I ain't no genius but if I could think this up, anybody could. I think he's long gone. I have been thinking he's long gone as well, but I'm starting to wonder. What if this idiot is playing a game of "Stay hidden among the search parties" that he wants to see through for one month before leaving the area? If he can last for a month in that environment he would certainly have some bona fides as an E&E master. For him it might be a resume enhancement for those Serbian mercenaries down in Africa he claims to have hung out with. After a month in the woods he could be sporting a decent beard that would let him slip out of the area and then head to Europe as his pipeline to Africa and the mercenary life in Zaire. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 9:50:40 PM EDT
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I have been thinking he's long gone as well, but I'm starting to wonder. What if this idiot is playing a game of "Stay hidden among the search parties" that he wants to see through for one month before leaving the area? If he can last for a month in that environment he would certainly have some bona fides as an E&E master. For him it might be a resume enhancement for those Serbian mercenaries down in Africa he claims to have hung out with. After a month in the woods he could be sporting a decent beard that would let him slip out of the area and then head to Europe as his pipeline to Africa and the mercenary life in Zaire. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some of you guys are getting kind of nasty with each other. I've been following this for a while now and just wanted to inject a thought or two. Don't kill me, I'm just the messenger. For the first week or so I thought this guy was just a psycho acting on impulse and would be cornered soon and brought to justice, one way or another. Now I'm not so sure. It seems to me that anyone who could survive "off the land" wouldn't want to and those who wanted to, couldn't. He must have known what kind of intensive search would result and the chances of surviving in that area would be slim. Just as a thought experiment let's consider: Suppose he had just one friend, girl friend, kin, buddy, whatever. Suppose he got the vehicle stuck on the way to the ambush. He guns down those poor cops and takes off on foot to meet his buddy waiting with a car. Even if he's not in very good shape he could cover two miles in 18 minutes. He would then have 42 minutes at least before any kind of containment could be set up. In a car, even traveling the speed limit, he's now thirty miles away. The police think he's on foot because they found his vehicle and set the containment relatively close. And if he salted the area the police would have to assume they were on the right track. Surely he could count on the many sightings that usually go along with any manhunt. He could probably count on a day or so before traveling out of state with PA tag would become risky. I ain't no genius but if I could think this up, anybody could. I think he's long gone. I have been thinking he's long gone as well, but I'm starting to wonder. What if this idiot is playing a game of "Stay hidden among the search parties" that he wants to see through for one month before leaving the area? If he can last for a month in that environment he would certainly have some bona fides as an E&E master. For him it might be a resume enhancement for those Serbian mercenaries down in Africa he claims to have hung out with. After a month in the woods he could be sporting a decent beard that would let him slip out of the area and then head to Europe as his pipeline to Africa and the mercenary life in Zaire. That certainly could be the case, too. I'm glad I'm just a spectator in this and not charged with running this bastard to ground. My prayers are with y'all. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 10:59:01 PM EDT
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Yes, I understand that, but what does that change? and ok even if that changes a hood rat killing then how about joe citizen who got murdered this weekend? why is this guy worth 1100 cops vrs. any other murder that has happened this year? Let me ask this, if tomorrow morning at work your boss said "hey, we are looking for cops to go man the lines up north in PA and hunt this guy down" would you go? how many others in your outfit would want to go? now if he came out and said the same thing about Joe average citizen over in bum ville USA would you volunteer? how many of others in your outfit would? All I am saying is it sure appears that the only thing that makes this guy special and deserve 1100 cops with unlimited/budget/time constraints is that he shot at LEO's.. Every murder victim deserves the same treatment/manpower/budget/time constraints regardless of who they are , where they work/live and our constitution confirms that..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hoodrat cases generally fall into one of two catagories known shooter and soon captured or unknown shooter and never solved. Yes, I understand that, but what does that change? and ok even if that changes a hood rat killing then how about joe citizen who got murdered this weekend? why is this guy worth 1100 cops vrs. any other murder that has happened this year? Let me ask this, if tomorrow morning at work your boss said "hey, we are looking for cops to go man the lines up north in PA and hunt this guy down" would you go? how many others in your outfit would want to go? now if he came out and said the same thing about Joe average citizen over in bum ville USA would you volunteer? how many of others in your outfit would? All I am saying is it sure appears that the only thing that makes this guy special and deserve 1100 cops with unlimited/budget/time constraints is that he shot at LEO's.. Every murder victim deserves the same treatment/manpower/budget/time constraints regardless of who they are , where they work/live and our constitution confirms that..... All murder cases are not the same, never have been, never will be. Random murder is rare. Most murders victim and perp know each other. A sniper kiling is rare. A sniper killing with a known perp is the unicorn. You are trying to equate all murders as being the same when they are not. Some are solved in seconds others take years. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 11:04:53 PM EDT
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This is close to becoming as bad as the the Ukraine thread.
 
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:39:02 AM EDT
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I don't either. But they are not bringing in a violent killer. They are shutting down the area, causing severe economic harm to the locals, and have inflicted more casualties to themselves then the criminal did. A few pages back we were assured the locals dont even talk to eachother. Now we are supposed to believe that they have jobs in the search area? |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:41:12 AM EDT
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This is close to becoming as bad as the the Ukraine thread. Who is posting pages of unsubstantiated tweets here? 
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Posted: 10/3/2014 3:24:25 PM EDT
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DNA testing was inconclusive on soiled diapers thought to have been left by Pennsylvania police ambush suspect Eric Frein, the FBI said Friday.
The diapers had been exposed to the elements, so "you can’t say one way or the other" whether Frein wore them, said Edward Hanko, special agent in charge of the Philadelphia FBI office. http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20141003/NEWS/141009826#sthash.jahVyeKN.dpuf Notes from Friday's press conference on the search for Eric Frein http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20141003/NEWS/141009827/-1/topic |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 3:25:37 PM EDT
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Stream
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Posted: 10/3/2014 3:32:26 PM EDT
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After they catch the guy they still gotta clear the entire area for bombs, booby traps, ammunition, guns etc before they can declare it safe for people to go back in there. This is going to effect the community for a long time.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 3:42:17 PM EDT
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DNA testing was inconclusive on soiled diapers thought to have been left by Pennsylvania police ambush suspect Eric Frein, the FBI said Friday. The diapers had been exposed to the elements, so "you can’t say one way or the other" whether Frein wore them, said Edward Hanko, special agent in charge of the Philadelphia FBI office. http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20141003/NEWS/141009826#sthash.jahVyeKN.dpuf Notes from Friday's press conference on the search for Eric Frein http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20141003/NEWS/141009827/-1/topic Interesting: Frein is not living off the land, Hanko said, but surviving on tuna fish, bottled water and other supplies he brought with him into the woods. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 3:43:32 PM EDT
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Notes from the multimillion dollar search that is destroying the local economy.
Information from Lt. Col. George Bivens during Friday's press conference:
Bivens: Authorities have drained the pond where Frein's Jeep was found. Nothing of significance found Bivens: Police located a campsite that included clothing, food, "significant amount" of ammunition and two explosive devices Bivens: "We believe he will be forced to search for food and shelter in other locations" Bivens: If anyone enters a cabin and sees anythign disturbed, please call the tip line at 866-325-7256. Bivens: Frein may seek out dumpsters at restaurants and grocery stores for food Bivens: Police working with Frein's family on a possible plea for him to turn himself in Bivens: Authorities believe Frein is in the area because of the items they are finding, such as those at the campsite Bivens: Testing has shown how recent the items were left in the woods Bivens: "I am not commenting on any of the evidence." Police are confident the items they are finding are indicative of Frein still being in area Bivens: "We have no reason to believe he is in someone's home holding them hostage." He is more likely to look for a vacant building, police say. Bivens: There is no guarantee that a perimeter has been locked down in time. Bivens: Police have found no links between Dickson, Douglass and Frein Bivens: High level of confidence that Frein has been spotted. Last such sighting was earlier this week. Police are more unsure about the most recent sighting, which was Thursday night Bivens: Evidence suggests Frein is living off the food he carried with him or kept in some areas, but it appears that might be running out Bivens: Police hope the coming colder, wetter weather will push Frein out Bivens: If a hunter encounters him, he or she should try to get away and call police Bivens: Ammunition found was .308 caliber, a little more than 90 rounds. A .308 was used in the shooting Sept. 12, and that gun has not yet been recovered. Bivens: Search area roughly five square miles Bivens: More confident than ever they are closing in on Frein. "He has made significant mistakes." Such as, some of the sightings, losing items that have been recovered. Bivens: "He needs to eat. He needs to sleep. He needs to get dry." Police think Frein will make more mistakes as he seeks food and shelter. Bivens: A core group of searchers has remained in the area, but most authorities are cycling in and out Bivens: "The morale is extremely high" among the searchers. Another officer stepped to the podium, says Lehman Township was added to hunting restriction area because it was part of potential search area. Officer: Officers have been told to use discretion if they encounter hunters in the area. Bivens returns to the podium. Bivens: Food found at the campsite, mostly cans of tuna and Ramen noodles. Bivens: A number of things found among the items at the campsite that make authorities certain the items are his. http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20141003/NEWS/141009827/101010/NEWS |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 3:48:18 PM EDT
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Bivens: Police located a campsite that included clothing, food, "significant amount" of ammunition and two explosive devices
Bivens: Ammunition found was .308 caliber, a little more than 90 rounds. A .308 was used in the shooting Sept. 12, and that gun has not yet been recovered Bivens: "I am not commenting on any of the evidence." Police are confident the items they are finding are indicative of Frein still being in area Bivens: There is no guarantee that a perimeter has been locked down in time. 90 rounds is a "significant amount"? 
They are confident he is there,BUT,there is no guarantee that the perimeter was locked down in time. 
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Posted: 10/3/2014 3:52:09 PM EDT
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They are confident he is there,BUT,there is no guarantee that the perimeter was locked down in time. Ebola is hard to catch yet people using biohazard suits catch it. You can't stop people from those countries from flying here because we can't control it (ebola). Quarantine people in an apartment where ebola carrier Duncan stayed for several days while sick. Use people without protective gear to powerwash ebola laden vomit from a sidewalk. Send unprotected LEO into a suspect apartment to get signatures on paperwork. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 3:57:54 PM EDT
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Several discovered diapers containing fecal matter would only fit an infant and can be ruled out as not belonging to Mr. Frein, said the source, who asked to remain anonymous. http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/10/diapers_found_during_search_fo.html |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:00:00 PM EDT
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Ebola is hard to catch yet people using biohazard suits catch it. You can't stop people from those countries from flying here because we can't control it (ebola). Quarantine people in an apartment where ebola carrier Duncan stayed for several days while sick. Use people without protective gear to powerwash ebola laden vomit from a sidewalk. Send unprotected LEO into a suspect apartment to get signatures on paperwork. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They are confident he is there,BUT,there is no guarantee that the perimeter was locked down in time. Ebola is hard to catch yet people using biohazard suits catch it. You can't stop people from those countries from flying here because we can't control it (ebola). Quarantine people in an apartment where ebola carrier Duncan stayed for several days while sick. Use people without protective gear to powerwash ebola laden vomit from a sidewalk. Send unprotected LEO into a suspect apartment to get signatures on paperwork. So Frein shot Mike Brown in Ferguson setting up the police, now is spreading Ebola? This guy is badass. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:06:17 PM EDT
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Several discovered diapers containing fecal matter would only fit an infant and can be ruled out as not belonging to Mr. Frein, said the source, who asked to remain anonymous. http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/10/diapers_found_during_search_fo.html
I would think the size would be obvious-the guy is 6+ft,165 lbs. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 4:42:38 PM EDT
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Pennsylvania State Police on Friday released this photo of belongings believed to have been hastily left behind by alleged cop killer Eric Frein within the search area in Pike and Monroe counties.
http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2014/10/eric_frein_food_ammunition_fou.html#incart_river http://media.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news_impact/photo/eric-frein-food-ammunition-found-as-police-voice-confidence-hell-be-caught-official-says-a05fda8e88b01e66.jpg |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 5:12:15 PM EDT
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Pennsylvania State Police on Friday released this photo of belongings believed to have been hastily left behind by alleged cop killer Eric Frein within the search area in Pike and Monroe counties. http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2014/10/eric_frein_food_ammunition_fou.html#incart_river http://media.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news_impact/photo/eric-frein-food-ammunition-found-as-police-voice-confidence-hell-be-caught-official-says-a05fda8e88b01e66.jpg |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 5:19:58 PM EDT
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Interesting: Frein is not living off the land, Hanko said, but surviving on tuna fish, bottled water and other supplies he brought with him into the woods. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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DNA testing was inconclusive on soiled diapers thought to have been left by Pennsylvania police ambush suspect Eric Frein, the FBI said Friday. The diapers had been exposed to the elements, so "you can’t say one way or the other" whether Frein wore them, said Edward Hanko, special agent in charge of the Philadelphia FBI office. http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20141003/NEWS/141009826#sthash.jahVyeKN.dpuf Notes from Friday's press conference on the search for Eric Frein http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20141003/NEWS/141009827/-1/topic Interesting: Frein is not living off the land, Hanko said, but surviving on tuna fish, bottled water and other supplies he brought with him into the woods. Reports this afternoon say they found a recently used campsite and captured a stock of food, water and 90 rounds of ammo for a rifle of the type used in the shooting. Looks like he's either being run to ground or there's another decoy clue he left out there that's been discovered. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 5:37:29 PM EDT
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  The colonel said he doesn't think Frein is trying to live off the land. "I believe his food is running out and we've seized a big amount of it," Bivens said. He added that while there have been sightings of Frein, the rugged terrain and thick forest makes it hard to apprehend the suspect. Troopers are using sticks and ski poles to prod the ground during the search. "You could literally walk right past someone in this terrain and not see them... unless you stepped on them," Bivens said.                          Stuff they found. Large pic.        |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 5:41:27 PM EDT
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Don't those LEO know that hunting from the road is illegal?
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Posted: 10/3/2014 5:52:11 PM EDT
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All murder cases are not the same, never have been, never will be. Random murder is rare. Most murders victim and perp know each other. A sniper kiling is rare. A sniper killing with a known perp is the unicorn. You are trying to equate all murders as being the same when they are not. Some are solved in seconds others take years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hoodrat cases generally fall into one of two catagories known shooter and soon captured or unknown shooter and never solved. Yes, I understand that, but what does that change? and ok even if that changes a hood rat killing then how about joe citizen who got murdered this weekend? why is this guy worth 1100 cops vrs. any other murder that has happened this year? Let me ask this, if tomorrow morning at work your boss said "hey, we are looking for cops to go man the lines up north in PA and hunt this guy down" would you go? how many others in your outfit would want to go? now if he came out and said the same thing about Joe average citizen over in bum ville USA would you volunteer? how many of others in your outfit would? All I am saying is it sure appears that the only thing that makes this guy special and deserve 1100 cops with unlimited/budget/time constraints is that he shot at LEO's.. Every murder victim deserves the same treatment/manpower/budget/time constraints regardless of who they are , where they work/live and our constitution confirms that..... All murder cases are not the same, never have been, never will be. Random murder is rare. Most murders victim and perp know each other. A sniper kiling is rare. A sniper killing with a known perp is the unicorn. You are trying to equate all murders as being the same when they are not. Some are solved in seconds others take years. No one knows for fact if they had previous contact..no one..... who knows maybe the officer pulled him over and gave him a warning earlier in life..no one knows .... As for the difference in this murder and others..once again in recent history the only time we see these massive resources expended is when it involves a cop killer(ok I will give you the DC sniper, but he was actively picking random people off on a continuing basis). no two crimes are ever exactly the same, yet the judicial system still treats them the same as far as charges/penalties. I admit the guy is a piece of shit, and it wouldn't bother me a bit if cops end up killing him..but only if it is done to the letter of the law and not revenge.. but for anyone to stand here and say that this case isn't getting special consideration that joe average victim doesn't get is full of it..1100 cops and unlimited budget is solely due to the fact that the guy killed a cop...end of story....... |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 6:56:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/3/2014 7:52:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Notes from the multimillion dollar search that is destroying the local economy. http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20141003/NEWS/141009827/101010/NEWS Quote HistoryQuoted: Notes from the multimillion dollar search that is destroying the local economy. Information from Lt. Col. George Bivens during Friday's press conference: Bivens: Authorities have drained the pond where Frein's Jeep was found. Nothing of significance found Bivens: Police located a campsite that included clothing, food, "significant amount" of ammunition and two explosive devices Bivens: "We believe he will be forced to search for food and shelter in other locations" Bivens: If anyone enters a cabin and sees anythign disturbed, please call the tip line at 866-325-7256. Bivens: Frein may seek out dumpsters at restaurants and grocery stores for food Bivens: Police working with Frein's family on a possible plea for him to turn himself in Bivens: Authorities believe Frein is in the area because of the items they are finding, such as those at the campsite Bivens: Testing has shown how recent the items were left in the woods Bivens: "I am not commenting on any of the evidence." Police are confident the items they are finding are indicative of Frein still being in area Bivens: "We have no reason to believe he is in someone's home holding them hostage." He is more likely to look for a vacant building, police say. Bivens: There is no guarantee that a perimeter has been locked down in time. Bivens: Police have found no links between Dickson, Douglass and Frein Bivens: High level of confidence that Frein has been spotted. Last such sighting was earlier this week. Police are more unsure about the most recent sighting, which was Thursday night Bivens: Evidence suggests Frein is living off the food he carried with him or kept in some areas, but it appears that might be running out Bivens: Police hope the coming colder, wetter weather will push Frein out Bivens: If a hunter encounters him, he or she should try to get away and call police Bivens: Ammunition found was .308 caliber, a little more than 90 rounds. A .308 was used in the shooting Sept. 12, and that gun has not yet been recovered. Bivens: Search area roughly five square miles Bivens: More confident than ever they are closing in on Frein. "He has made significant mistakes." Such as, some of the sightings, losing items that have been recovered. Bivens: "He needs to eat. He needs to sleep. He needs to get dry." Police think Frein will make more mistakes as he seeks food and shelter. Bivens: A core group of searchers has remained in the area, but most authorities are cycling in and out Bivens: "The morale is extremely high" among the searchers. Another officer stepped to the podium, says Lehman Township was added to hunting restriction area because it was part of potential search area. Officer: Officers have been told to use discretion if they encounter hunters in the area. Bivens returns to the podium. Bivens: Food found at the campsite, mostly cans of tuna and Ramen noodles. Bivens: A number of things found among the items at the campsite that make authorities certain the items are his. http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20141003/NEWS/141009827/101010/NEWS If I didn't have a National customer base I'd be in trouble too. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 8:21:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/3/2014 8:24:23 PM EDT
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No way he humped all that gear, an extra pair of boots, two long guns, ammo, mags and food from that jeep. It's either planted or not his. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 10/3/2014 9:14:26 PM EDT
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Interesting set of photos. Given the weather that's coming into the area this weekend, if Frein is still in the woods things may be changing soon. Wind and rain are going to knock a lot of the leaves off the trees, so the helicopters with the FLIR and thermal vision will finally be able to exploit that advantage.
Plus with almost an inch of rain and a drop in temperatures of 30 degrees, Frein may end up turning himself in or offing himself to end his misery if he does not have a warm & dry place to get through the cold & wet. PSP says they're going to start checking cabins more because they think Frein might be forced to take refuge and/or make a resupply effort. I wonder if next week might not have a Dorner redux with him being trapped in a cabin and an assault with gunfire and flames ending this episode. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 10:01:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No way he humped all that gear, an extra pair of boots, two long guns, ammo, mags and food from that jeep. It's either planted or not his. Quote HistoryQuoted: No way he humped all that gear, an extra pair of boots, two long guns, ammo, mags and food from that jeep. It's either planted or not his. He might have had it stashed all over the place for all YOU KNOW? |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:30:27 PM EDT
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No one knows for fact if they had previous contact..no one..... who knows maybe the officer pulled him over and gave him a warning earlier in life..no one knows .... As for the difference in this murder and others..once again in recent history the only time we see these massive resources expended is when it involves a cop killer(ok I will give you the DC sniper, but he was actively picking random people off on a continuing basis). no two crimes are ever exactly the same, yet the judicial system still treats them the same as far as charges/penalties. I admit the guy is a piece of shit, and it wouldn't bother me a bit if cops end up killing him..but only if it is done to the letter of the law and not revenge.. but for anyone to stand here and say that this case isn't getting special consideration that joe average victim doesn't get is full of it..1100 cops and unlimited budget is solely due to the fact that the guy killed a cop...end of story....... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hoodrat cases generally fall into one of two catagories known shooter and soon captured or unknown shooter and never solved. Yes, I understand that, but what does that change? and ok even if that changes a hood rat killing then how about joe citizen who got murdered this weekend? why is this guy worth 1100 cops vrs. any other murder that has happened this year? Let me ask this, if tomorrow morning at work your boss said "hey, we are looking for cops to go man the lines up north in PA and hunt this guy down" would you go? how many others in your outfit would want to go? now if he came out and said the same thing about Joe average citizen over in bum ville USA would you volunteer? how many of others in your outfit would? All I am saying is it sure appears that the only thing that makes this guy special and deserve 1100 cops with unlimited/budget/time constraints is that he shot at LEO's.. Every murder victim deserves the same treatment/manpower/budget/time constraints regardless of who they are , where they work/live and our constitution confirms that..... All murder cases are not the same, never have been, never will be. Random murder is rare. Most murders victim and perp know each other. A sniper kiling is rare. A sniper killing with a known perp is the unicorn. You are trying to equate all murders as being the same when they are not. Some are solved in seconds others take years. No one knows for fact if they had previous contact..no one..... who knows maybe the officer pulled him over and gave him a warning earlier in life..no one knows .... As for the difference in this murder and others..once again in recent history the only time we see these massive resources expended is when it involves a cop killer(ok I will give you the DC sniper, but he was actively picking random people off on a continuing basis). no two crimes are ever exactly the same, yet the judicial system still treats them the same as far as charges/penalties. I admit the guy is a piece of shit, and it wouldn't bother me a bit if cops end up killing him..but only if it is done to the letter of the law and not revenge.. but for anyone to stand here and say that this case isn't getting special consideration that joe average victim doesn't get is full of it..1100 cops and unlimited budget is solely due to the fact that the guy killed a cop...end of story....... 
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Posted: 10/4/2014 4:12:09 AM EDT
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Interesting, so he is still in the area and was/is living of either stuff he hid ahead of time in caches or took with him.
I wonder if the cops stumbled across his base camp while he was out foraging or something? Even if he is dumping gear I can't see leaving 80 rounds of amoo behind. I suppose he may have heard the police at night and ran off without breaking camp. I can't tell what is in the photo but lugging spare boots and a rifle isn't a huge deal, but how many pounds of canned tuna fish can a man carry? |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 6:36:27 AM EDT
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If he is still in the 4 square mile search area he will be caught.
But if he moved on he could act6ually live with some measure of comfort through the winter. How ? Easy. Most of the weekend / vacation cabins up there have crawl spaces. Most of the crawl spaces are not secured. Many of the cabins are running minimal heat through the winter just to keep from freeze damage so the electric is on. If he were to use his knife and cut through the plywood floor under the kitchen cabnets by the sink drain and the particle board floor of the cabnits he would have access to the cabin that would not be seen from looking in windows. So he would have shelter. Water. Probably some food. There are "Forest People" who live up there and live by breaking into cabins and most likely poaching game. They broke into our cabin a couple of years ago. They stole Toilet paper Cans of soup and Firestarters. Thats it No electronics, nothing of any real value. |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 7:16:31 AM EDT
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I bet he was taking a shit when they happened upon his camp.
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Posted: 10/4/2014 9:22:03 AM EDT
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I check into this thread from time to time hoping to read that Freid is either in custody or in Hell. If possible, I don't want to wade through 34 pages and was wondering if someone could answer a quick question for me.
I keep reading that Freid used a .308, is that a .308 Winchester or a .30 caliber of some sort that someone described as a .308? |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 9:44:04 AM EDT
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I check into this thread from time to time hoping to read that Freid is either in custody or in Hell. If possible, I don't want to wade through 34 pages and was wondering if someone could answer a quick question for me. I keep reading that Freid used a .308, is that a .308 Winchester or a .30 caliber of some sort that someone described as a .308? An AK (one was found with a couple mags) and a .308 bolt gun they said. Should be down to just the bolt gun unless he had others stashed (which sounds doubtful to me).They also just found 90 rounds with some other stuff. |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 9:47:36 AM EDT
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An AK (one was found with a couple mags) and a .308 bolt gun they said. Should be down to just the bolt gun unless he had others stashed (which sounds doubtful to me).They also just found 90 rounds with some other stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I check into this thread from time to time hoping to read that Freid is either in custody or in Hell. If possible, I don't want to wade through 34 pages and was wondering if someone could answer a quick question for me. I keep reading that Freid used a .308, is that a .308 Winchester or a .30 caliber of some sort that someone described as a .308? An AK (one was found with a couple mags) and a .308 bolt gun they said. Should be down to just the bolt gun unless he had others stashed (which sounds doubtful to me).They also just found 90 rounds with some other stuff. Thanks. |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 10:39:31 AM EDT
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so what did this guy do for a living? did he just sponge off of mom and dad?
It seems like he would need a lot of free time to plan the way he did. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 10:41:51 AM EDT
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so what did this guy do for a living? did he just sponge off of mom and dad? It seems like he would need a lot of free time to plan the way he did. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Plan the way he did? Please, do tell. He didn't have a job, or he didn't have a known job. Dudes a complete failure at life. |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 10:47:07 AM EDT
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Interesting, so he is still in the area and was/is living of either stuff he hid ahead of time in caches or took with him. I wonder if the cops stumbled across his base camp while he was out foraging or something? Even if he is dumping gear I can't see leaving 80 rounds of amoo behind. I suppose he may have heard the police at night and ran off without breaking camp. I can't tell what is in the photo but lugging spare boots and a rifle isn't a huge deal, but how many pounds of canned tuna fish can a man carry? 87? |
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