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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:27:31 PM EDT
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Its not that old. Farias committed suicide last week after finding out he was being relieved of duty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think this is fairly old news.... That said, it needs to shouted from the rooftops that these assholes were literally stealing from taxpayers by faking their OverTime. Its not that old. Farias committed suicide last week after finding out he was being relieved of duty. 
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:27:51 PM EDT
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People actually go to trial for traffic violations in Houston?
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:29:43 PM EDT
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I think this is fairly old news.... That said, it needs to shouted from the rooftops that these assholes were literally stealing from taxpayers by faking their OverTime. Wonder what they'll get for it? Likely nothing near what they should. 
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:31:07 PM EDT
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http://www.khou.com/story/news/crime/2014/08/21/motorist-caught-in-alleged-hpd-ticket-rigging-scheme/14375177/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
A fourth officer under investigation, Rudolph Farias, shot and killed himself Tuesday afternoon in a police parking garage near downtown. http://www.khou.com/story/news/crime/2014/08/21/motorist-caught-in-alleged-hpd-ticket-rigging-scheme/14375177/ Good riddance. Fucking thieves. 
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:33:44 PM EDT
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People actually go to trial for traffic violations in Houston?
I've had exceedingly good luck going to court on traffic offenses. I have a clean record as a result. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:41:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The other guy radar'd him and the other officer caught him. Traffic teams often work in pairs. One radars the other is the rabbit...etc. There you go again, posting something completely asinine. Wtf devildog, you lose your marbles? Did you even read the linked article?
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:51:06 PM EDT
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isolated incident
99% of cops are there to "protect and serve" the public 
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:09:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its not that old. Farias committed suicide last week after finding out he was being relieved of duty. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think this is fairly old news.... That said, it needs to shouted from the rooftops that these assholes were literally stealing from taxpayers by faking their OverTime. Its not that old. Farias committed suicide last week after finding out he was being relieved of duty.  |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:15:38 PM EDT
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Easy fix. Fire all the officers involved And prosecute them. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:15:39 PM EDT
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The whole hourly wage things for cops is a racket. They should be exempt just like other professionals and salaried, not paid hourly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The whole overtime for court is a complete racket. Court should be part of a patrol officers regularly scheduled 40 hours. You could double most city's police force with what they scam on OT. The whole hourly wage things for cops is a racket. They should be exempt just like other professionals and salaried, not paid hourly. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:17:06 PM EDT
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Isolated incident.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:17:09 PM EDT
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Its not that old. Farias committed suicide last week after finding out he was being relieved of duty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think this is fairly old news.... That said, it needs to shouted from the rooftops that these assholes were literally stealing from taxpayers by faking their OverTime. Its not that old. Farias committed suicide last week after finding out he was being relieved of duty. The others should too. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:21:21 PM EDT
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People actually go to trial for traffic violations in Houston?
I did once, and won. Well, the company attorney did. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:26:35 PM EDT
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The others should too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think this is fairly old news.... That said, it needs to shouted from the rooftops that these assholes were literally stealing from taxpayers by faking their OverTime. Its not that old. Farias committed suicide last week after finding out he was being relieved of duty. The others should too. Maybe they don't have the right connections. Here a cop got caught stealing gas for his and his family's personal vehicles when gas was really expensive. despite stealing over $10,000 dollars worth of gas and being on video when he did it they not only didn't fire him but let him stay on another year to get his pension. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:28:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oopsie. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:29:30 PM EDT
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Maybe they don't have the right connections. Here a cop got caught stealing gas for his and his family's personal vehicles when gas was really expensive. despite stealing over $10,000 dollars worth of gas and being on video when he did it they not only didn't fire him but let him stay on another year to get his pension. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think this is fairly old news.... That said, it needs to shouted from the rooftops that these assholes were literally stealing from taxpayers by faking their OverTime. Its not that old. Farias committed suicide last week after finding out he was being relieved of duty. The others should too. Maybe they don't have the right connections. Here a cop got caught stealing gas for his and his family's personal vehicles when gas was really expensive. despite stealing over $10,000 dollars worth of gas and being on video when he did it they not only didn't fire him but let him stay on another year to get his pension. I had a cousin get caught using a dept card to do shit like that. Almost 40k. They gave her a good reference for her transfer to another agency. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:32:25 PM EDT
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Shouldn't every ticket they have ever issued be expunged and motorists given their money back?
If they are willing to lie about witnesses I bet they are willing to give people made up tickets. There must be a case for some kind of class action I would have thought? Or have I misunderstood the whole thing, |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:36:08 PM EDT
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The whole overtime for court is a complete racket. Court should be part of a patrol officers regularly scheduled 40 hours. You could double most city's police force with what they scam on OT. You work for free? That is mighty generous of you. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:36:14 PM EDT
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The best part of this entire story is that there is a union in Texas.
Suck balls Texas. Suck these little Chinese nuts. 
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:39:06 PM EDT
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You work for free? That is mighty generous of you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The whole overtime for court is a complete racket. Court should be part of a patrol officers regularly scheduled 40 hours. You could double most city's police force with what they scam on OT. You work for free? That is mighty generous of you. Agree with his point or not, how in the hell did you get 'work for free' from his post? |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:40:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The whole overtime for court is a complete racket. Court should be part of a patrol officers regularly scheduled 40 hours. How exactly do you plan to make that happen?
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:41:15 PM EDT
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I hate court, I really hate traffic court... Ruining one of the few days off for a couple hours overtime is never worth it... Most traffic guys are Monday -Friday and courts mon-fri so I don't see the OT aspect but who knows what they were doing ...
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:41:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The whole hourly wage things for cops is a racket. They should be exempt just like other professionals and salaried, not paid hourly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The whole overtime for court is a complete racket. Court should be part of a patrol officers regularly scheduled 40 hours. You could double most city's police force with what they scam on OT. The whole hourly wage things for cops is a racket. They should be exempt just like other professionals and salaried, not paid hourly. Agreed. And as soon as my 40 hours are up and I'm not getting paid, my investigation into your stolen car/TV/money goes into "wait until next week" mode. I'm good with it.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:46:35 PM EDT
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Agreed. And as soon as my 40 hours are up and I'm not getting paid, my investigation into your stolen car/TV/money goes into "wait until next week" mode. I'm good with it. If you're salaried, you get paid for results - not to warm a chair. And also, of course, graded on results. Theoretically - if an employee is not producing results, he / she should be let go. That's the way it works for salaried folks in general. Doesn't seem like LE need necessarily be any different. The point is that saying 'i'm salaried so i'm only gonna work 40 hours a week and that's it' is not how it works. Whether one ends up working 20 hours for that week or 120, it's the results one is graded on - and paid for. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:46:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think this is fairly old news.... That said, it needs to shouted from the rooftops that these assholes were literally stealing from taxpayers by faking their OverTime. They were also falsifying documents They were also lying under oath in court This kind of crime makes me wish we could put a big brand on the person's forehead.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:50:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: http://www.khou.com/story/news/crime/2014/08/21/motorist-caught-in-alleged-hpd-ticket-rigging-scheme/14375177/ Quote HistoryQuoted: A fourth officer under investigation, Rudolph Farias, shot and killed himself Tuesday afternoon in a police parking garage near downtown. http://www.khou.com/story/news/crime/2014/08/21/motorist-caught-in-alleged-hpd-ticket-rigging-scheme/14375177/ Could at least have gone home and swallowed a bottle of pills, or laid out a sheet of plastic in the garage if he had to shoot himself.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:52:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: yep  He was 51, and knew he would never have another leo job. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think this is fairly old news.... That said, it needs to shouted from the rooftops that these assholes were literally stealing from taxpayers by faking their OverTime. Its not that old. Farias committed suicide last week after finding out he was being relieved of duty. yep He was 51, and knew he would never have another leo job. sounds like an act of seppuku...
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:53:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you're salaried, you get paid for results - not to warm a chair. And also, of course, graded on results. Theoretically - if an employee is not producing results, he / she should be let go. That's the way it works for salaried folks in general. Doesn't seem like LE need necessarily be any different. The point is that saying 'i'm salaried so i'm only gonna work 40 hours a week and that's it' is not how it works. Whether one ends up working 20 hours for that week or 120, it's the results one is graded on - and paid for. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Agreed. And as soon as my 40 hours are up and I'm not getting paid, my investigation into your stolen car/TV/money goes into "wait until next week" mode. I'm good with it. If you're salaried, you get paid for results - not to warm a chair. And also, of course, graded on results. Theoretically - if an employee is not producing results, he / she should be let go. That's the way it works for salaried folks in general. Doesn't seem like LE need necessarily be any different. The point is that saying 'i'm salaried so i'm only gonna work 40 hours a week and that's it' is not how it works. Whether one ends up working 20 hours for that week or 120, it's the results one is graded on - and paid for. And the results of my work can be seen during my normal 40 hour work week.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:56:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who shoots himself over being caught fudging speeding tickets? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A fourth officer under investigation, Rudolph Farias, shot and killed himself Tuesday afternoon in a police parking garage near downtown. http://www.khou.com/story/news/crime/2014/08/21/motorist-caught-in-alleged-hpd-ticket-rigging-scheme/14375177/ And how did they not foresee being caught by eventually pulling over a cop from another agency, some supervisor they did not recognize, or some lawyer who knows how the tickets work and would look back and see only one cop etc etc. I suppose they were probably doing it forever but it seems like the dumbest scam ever. Honestly? Because the smartest people in Criminal Justice end up in an alphabet agency, the next rung down move up in the ranks so don't stay patrol for long. Most city officers who are writing tickets are going to be of average intelligence at best... |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:56:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The other guy radar'd him and the other officer caught him. Traffic teams often work in pairs. One radars the other is the rabbit...etc. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: LINK HOUSTON -- On a Tuesday afternoon in March, Houston Police wrote up a Houston motorist for speeding in Northwest Houston. But he wasn't your everyday kind of driver. "I've been behind the radar gun," said the man. He asked not to identified, because he too, is a police officer. We'll refer to him as Jerry. And when HPD handed Jerry the ticket, there was a major red flag. "I immediately know that something's hinky with the ticket," Jerry said. That's because the ticket-writing officer listed another HPD officer as a witness. "There was no other officer, he was the only officer there," Jerry said. What he didn't know at the time, is what the I-Team has now uncovered through a paper trail of records--dozens of cases where HPD officers listed witnessing officers on tickets--who were never there. It was all to allegedly collect hefty overtime checks by later appearing in traffic court. Hunt said the Union is prepared to offer legal representation to Officers Gregory Rosa, Robert Manzanales and John Garcia. The three have been relieved of duty and reassigned to desk jobs while an internal affairs investigation proceeds. The I-Team found the alleged ticket-rigging scheme took place mostly on highways. In one case in May, Officer Manzalnaes put Officer Farias down as a witness at 11:24 p.m. at I-10 and Westcott Street. But at the same exact time, records show Farias was writing a ticket nine miles away at I-10 and Wilcrest. http://i.imgur.com/OPmJQUH.jpg The other guy radar'd him and the other officer caught him. Traffic teams often work in pairs. One radars the other is the rabbit...etc. I had that happen to me in north houston, got pulled over, and i knew i didnt do anything wrong infront of him, and the officer says i was paced by a cop in an unmarked car, and that officer claimed he saw me doing 70 in a 60, following too close, and not using my blinker. i thought that was a load of BS, so got a lawyer to fight it, and the lawyer got the court date reset, showed up and the cop was a no show, and the 700$ ticket was dismissed. but i still had to pay the lawyer 200 bucks.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:57:43 PM EDT
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The best part of this entire story is that there is a union in Texas. Suck balls Texas. Suck these little Chinese nuts. http://i50.tinypic.com/rkx7c8.gif Don't mess with Texas.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:00:39 PM EDT
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Who shoots himself over being caught fudging speeding tickets? Usually a cop who knows they are going to find a lot more once they start digging. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:02:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And how did they not foresee being caught by eventually pulling over a cop from another agency, some supervisor they did not recognize, or some lawyer who knows how the tickets work and would look back and see only one cop etc etc. I suppose they were probably doing it forever but it seems like the dumbest scam ever. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: A fourth officer under investigation, Rudolph Farias, shot and killed himself Tuesday afternoon in a police parking garage near downtown. http://www.khou.com/story/news/crime/2014/08/21/motorist-caught-in-alleged-hpd-ticket-rigging-scheme/14375177/ And how did they not foresee being caught by eventually pulling over a cop from another agency, some supervisor they did not recognize, or some lawyer who knows how the tickets work and would look back and see only one cop etc etc. I suppose they were probably doing it forever but it seems like the dumbest scam ever. Honestly? Because the smartest people in Criminal Justice end up in an alphabet agency, the next rung down move up in the ranks so don't stay patrol for long. Most city officers who are writing tickets are going to be of average intelligence at best... The second brightest get promoted?  You don't know dick about LE, huh? |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:02:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: sounds like an act of seppuku... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think this is fairly old news.... That said, it needs to shouted from the rooftops that these assholes were literally stealing from taxpayers by faking their OverTime. Its not that old. Farias committed suicide last week after finding out he was being relieved of duty. yep He was 51, and knew he would never have another leo job. sounds like an act of seppuku... |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:04:20 PM EDT
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Only the issuing officer goes to court here even if others witnessed it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They have to list a witness on their tickets? Only the issuing officer goes to court here even if others witnessed it. Sounds like they've already had their hand caught in the cookie jar before then
Y'all should really bring back Tammany Hall. You're already keeping the tradition of corruption live and well up there 
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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:04:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A fourth officer under investigation, Rudolph Farias, shot and killed himself Tuesday afternoon in a police parking garage near downtown. http://www.khou.com/story/news/crime/2014/08/21/motorist-caught-in-alleged-hpd-ticket-rigging-scheme/14375177/ And how did they not foresee being caught by eventually pulling over a cop from another agency, some supervisor they did not recognize, or some lawyer who knows how the tickets work and would look back and see only one cop etc etc. I suppose they were probably doing it forever but it seems like the dumbest scam ever. Honestly? Because the smartest people in Criminal Justice end up in an alphabet agency, the next rung down move up in the ranks so don't stay patrol for long. Most city officers who are writing tickets are going to be of average intelligence at best... The second brightest get promoted? You don't know dick about LE, huh? |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:04:22 PM EDT
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pleasepleaseplease let them have actually offered testimony..... This!
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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:10:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: fair enough...the best ass kissers get promoted, the decent cops get moved over to more productive work than writing tickets. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The second brightest get promoted? You don't know dick about LE, huh? |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:10:04 PM EDT
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Loss of job, barred from ever holding a job as a LEO, charged with theft/corruption/etc., forced to pay back every penny and then sentenced to time in jail and in gen pop. THAT would satisfy me. But I'm willing to bet the union will do its best to defend, a plea bargain will be arranged, said officers will receive a stern lecture, no other reprimand, no loss of job, back on the street. Once you get a perjury charge to stick on a cop or prosecutor the floodgates open on appeals for everything they've ever written. He could have arrested the person who shot the Pope at point blank range on national television in front of a stadium full of people and it would be questioned. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:17:30 PM EDT
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He was 51, and knew he would never have another leo job. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its not that old. Farias committed suicide last week after finding out he was being relieved of duty. yep
He was 51, and knew he would never have another leo job. GrumpyCatGood.jpg? One down, three to go? Better dead than R.E.D.? 
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The other guy radar'd him and the other officer caught him. Traffic teams often work in pairs. One radars the other is the rabbit...etc. sounds plausible, we'll see what the investigation turns up I'd think if there were a reasonable explanation to this, the guy wouldn't have offed himself. Maybe he didn't have much faith in his union rep, which is odd given their astounding track record for getting cops out of all sorts of jams. Quoted:
Agreed. And as soon as my 40 hours are up and I'm not getting paid, my investigation into your stolen car/TV/money goes into "wait until next week" mode. I'm good with it. In my experience, such things are about as common as unicorns. It's "here's your police report, have a nice day. Oh? You wanted us to actually investigate? Well, we don't do that. We're too busy scamming traffic court overtime. Your stuff is gone, just accept it and move on. We sure have." |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:28:16 PM EDT
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http://www.khou.com/story/news/crime/2014/08/21/motorist-caught-in-alleged-hpd-ticket-rigging-scheme/14375177/ Quote HistoryQuoted: A fourth officer under investigation, Rudolph Farias, shot and killed himself Tuesday afternoon in a police parking garage near downtown. http://www.khou.com/story/news/crime/2014/08/21/motorist-caught-in-alleged-hpd-ticket-rigging-scheme/14375177/ So, a good shoot then: http://www.khou.com/story/news/investigations/2014/08/19/ticket-rigging-internal-investigation/14322667/
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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:30:12 PM EDT
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The union will protect these crooked thieves with the power of the good cops on the force.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:30:30 PM EDT
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Why I am not surprised.... One more point for the anti gun police chief...
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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:30:48 PM EDT
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So I guess it is the wrong time to mention the hpd officer, who just got popped selling a kilo????
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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:39:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In my experience, such things are about as common as unicorns. It's "here's your police report, have a nice day. Oh? You wanted us to actually investigate? Well, we don't do that. We're too busy scamming traffic court overtime. Your stuff is gone, just accept it and move on. We sure have." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Agreed. And as soon as my 40 hours are up and I'm not getting paid, my investigation into your stolen car/TV/money goes into "wait until next week" mode. I'm good with it. In my experience, such things are about as common as unicorns. It's "here's your police report, have a nice day. Oh? You wanted us to actually investigate? Well, we don't do that. We're too busy scamming traffic court overtime. Your stuff is gone, just accept it and move on. We sure have." If we worked that way, I'd have been sent off to dig ditches. My job relies on citizen contacts, arresting shitbags and solving cases.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:43:30 PM EDT
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What's even worse is I'll bet they were working OT when they wrote the tickets, and yes, I believe they had also given false testimony. He was facing jail time. Stupidity coupled with greed is a bad combination.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:54:43 PM EDT
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Shouldn't every ticket they have ever issued be expunged and motorists given their money back? If they are willing to lie about witnesses I bet they are willing to give people made up tickets. There must be a case for some kind of class action I would have thought? Or have I misunderstood the whole thing, And we are to assume that false overtime is the only thing that they would lie about. Right? |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:59:12 PM EDT
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Who does this? Every cop who ever posted here said he knew where to sit where he could write tickets all day long if he wanted to do that.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:00:27 PM EDT
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If you're salaried, you get paid for results - not to warm a chair. And also, of course, graded on results. Theoretically - if an employee is not producing results, he / she should be let go. That's the way it works for salaried folks in general. Doesn't seem like LE need necessarily be any different. The point is that saying 'i'm salaried so i'm only gonna work 40 hours a week and that's it' is not how it works. Whether one ends up working 20 hours for that week or 120, it's the results one is graded on - and paid for. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Agreed. And as soon as my 40 hours are up and I'm not getting paid, my investigation into your stolen car/TV/money goes into "wait until next week" mode. I'm good with it. If you're salaried, you get paid for results - not to warm a chair. And also, of course, graded on results. Theoretically - if an employee is not producing results, he / she should be let go. That's the way it works for salaried folks in general. Doesn't seem like LE need necessarily be any different. The point is that saying 'i'm salaried so i'm only gonna work 40 hours a week and that's it' is not how it works. Whether one ends up working 20 hours for that week or 120, it's the results one is graded on - and paid for. What results/metrics would you like used to measure a cops performance - number of citations issued or arrests made? |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:01:47 PM EDT
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I try to avoid court like a mother fucker.
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