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Posted: 8/22/2014 2:35:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If ISIS or anyone ever does something like that the retaliation would be monumental. Only way is a nuke and I wouldn't want to be the rougue regime (Norks or Pakis) that sold it to them. With Obama at the helm? |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 2:37:12 PM EDT
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Their ultimate weapon, Barrak Obama will be launched at us 6 years ago to destroy America... oh wait...
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Posted: 8/22/2014 2:37:50 PM EDT
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Or biological. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Involving a missing 777 maybe? It will involve a nuclear device. That would make a fine delivery vehicle. Or biological. ISIS is actively seeking nuclear materials, as was their parent organization, Al Qaida. Given the resources and infrastructure they've managed to secure, I wouldn't be shocked if it was a fission-fusion-fission device. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 2:39:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We partially created, funded, and trained "ISIS" in Syria. Our regime is failing and needs more boogeymen to scare, and kill, us sheep to support MOAR WOAR. Ask yourselves why "ISIS" isn't targeting Israel. Dig a little deeper. Because they're afraid of getting stomped. Next question.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 2:45:17 PM EDT
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Easiest way to destroy a US city would be to screw up the food/water/electrical infrastructure and let the rioters do the rest of the work.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 2:48:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, they have access to scads of chemical weapons. While I doubt they can "destroy" an American city, they can certainly kill a bunch of folks. There will be no consensus on what needs to be done with them until they attack American soil. History will repeat itself.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 2:52:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So they're only 150 years behind the US mil as far as tactics go? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seen how they've attacked Syrian Army positions by stockpiling explsives underground, then detonating them? http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1793265.1400166656!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/syria16n-6-web.jpg?enlarged http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1793267.1400166659!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/syria16n-4-web.jpg?enlarged http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/syrian-rebels-blow-army-base-major-hit-assad-article-1.1793271 So they're only 150 years behind the US mil as far as tactics go? Asymmetrical warfare does not require sophisticated tactics or technology. It only requires persistence and patience. Unfortunately, they have an ample supply of both.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 2:54:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Obama administration wanted to pass more gun control, requiring that FFLs in southern border states file extra reports on anyone buying more than one semi-auto rifle bigger than .22 (essentially targeting ARs without calling them ARs). He declared that it was because Mexican cartels were buying them legally in those states from those FFLs and at gun shows, then using them to murder thousands in Mexico. It then came to light that the administration was deliberately running such guns into Mexico, telling FFLs that they HAD to sell to shady characters as part of this "stingless sting" operation. The result? The ATF used its regulatory powers to require the extra reporting, sticking to the script even though it was all over every media outlet that said script was complete bullshit. It doesn't have to make sense. It doesn't need to be "supported" by anyone. The lawmakers make the laws and we suffer under them until we remove those lawmakers or nullify those laws. And the other side, as has been said, never lets a crisis go to waste. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The bureaucrats in power are eager for Tariq and Abdul to go on a shooting spree so they can quickly pass some security bill further restricting guns and add additional lube to the Constitution's bumhole. Do you think anyone is going to support a gun control law if ISIS uses a WMD on an American city? The Obama administration wanted to pass more gun control, requiring that FFLs in southern border states file extra reports on anyone buying more than one semi-auto rifle bigger than .22 (essentially targeting ARs without calling them ARs). He declared that it was because Mexican cartels were buying them legally in those states from those FFLs and at gun shows, then using them to murder thousands in Mexico. It then came to light that the administration was deliberately running such guns into Mexico, telling FFLs that they HAD to sell to shady characters as part of this "stingless sting" operation. The result? The ATF used its regulatory powers to require the extra reporting, sticking to the script even though it was all over every media outlet that said script was complete bullshit. It doesn't have to make sense. It doesn't need to be "supported" by anyone. The lawmakers make the laws and we suffer under them until we remove those lawmakers or nullify those laws. And the other side, as has been said, never lets a crisis go to waste. So if a WMD goes off in NYC or Chicago and there are 100,000+ Americans dead then you think Obama will be able to talk about anything other than war? That of course assumes that the Joint Chiefs don't depose his Administration and start calling the shots. I think you under estimate the severity of the type of attack we're talking about and the horror that this would cause. Such an event could potentially topple or government. It's pretty hard to maintain control over 300,000,000 people if they don't think you can protect them.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 2:57:46 PM EDT
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We partially created, funded, and trained "ISIS" in Syria. Our regime is failing and needs more boogeymen to scare, and kill, us sheep to support MOAR WOAR. Ask yourselves why "ISIS" isn't targeting Israel. Dig a little deeper. Because they aren't strong enough yet. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 2:59:35 PM EDT
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It doesn't take an actual nuke. Rather, imagine a hybrid attack. Dispersive devices for persistent chemicals. Aerial spraying of biologicals (anthrax, etc) for longer-term generation of casualties. Explosive devices to disperse radioactive material across an area. What would this do?
initial spraying with biologicals would expose population to disease. Followed up quickly with chemical weapons to create immediate casualties and sow confusion. The "dirty bombs" would throw radioactive debris, resulting in area denial. Further, if they were smart, they would attack a mid-sized city rather than a bigger, well known "symbolic" area.... it would resonate more with average citizens and personalize the atrocity. New York has a terrorist act, we kinda expect it, and they are more prepared to handle it (more "militarized"). Pick someplace smaller and less prepared, the higher casualty rate would shock the country. THIS is what I'm afraid of. As a first responder in a mid-sized city, if it happened here, I would die quickly. No way we could handle it. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:02:11 PM EDT
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Because they aren't strong enough yet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We partially created, funded, and trained "ISIS" in Syria. Our regime is failing and needs more boogeymen to scare, and kill, us sheep to support MOAR WOAR. Ask yourselves why "ISIS" isn't targeting Israel. Dig a little deeper. Because they aren't strong enough yet. They also don't control any territory with a common border with Israel. They would have to go thru Jordan first and the territory they control in Syria is in the West. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:04:38 PM EDT
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It will involve a nuclear device. That would make a fine delivery vehicle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Involving a missing 777 maybe? It will involve a nuclear device. That would make a fine delivery vehicle. Don't be so sure. It might involve Detroit mayors. They are proven city killers. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:06:53 PM EDT
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I can guess what the response would be with a rational administration, but I don't have a clue how zero would respond to a ISIS dirty bomb or a real nuke being detonated. " Another round of golf boys"? |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:07:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They also don't control any territory with a common border with Israel. They would have to go thru Jordan first and the territory they control in Syria is in the West. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We partially created, funded, and trained "ISIS" in Syria. Our regime is failing and needs more boogeymen to scare, and kill, us sheep to support MOAR WOAR. Ask yourselves why "ISIS" isn't targeting Israel. Dig a little deeper. Because they aren't strong enough yet. They also don't control any territory with a common border with Israel. They would have to go thru Jordan first and the territory they control in Syria is in the West. Israel,isn't their primary enemy. ISIS rose from the ashes of Al Queda in Iraq, which was the offshoot created to fight American troops there. Their goal is to destroy America. Israel,can be dealt with after they deal with us (or so they seem to think). Their long term goal is to establish a state that can wage war against us.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:11:02 PM EDT
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We seriously need to take the gloves off.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:13:06 PM EDT
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Prez told me this guys are JV. Just cause a kid wears a Lakers jersey, doesn't make him Kobe Bryant a rapist. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:14:12 PM EDT
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We seriously need to take the gloves off. You'll need to check with General Barack Hussein al Obama about that. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:14:15 PM EDT
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With the money they've got now, I wouldn't put anything past them. There's no shortage of countries (or folks with access to materials) that would slip something nasty out the back door to ISIS.
Cargo container sails into port with a crude nuke or dirty device from Iran? 20 martyrs go on vacation to West Africa to get ebola, then spend days coughing and sneezing on mass transit in our cities? Derail a train going through a major city? What's on trains nowadays? Crude oil? Chlorine? Ammonia? How about them spreading any one of a dozen virulent diseases that someone with a simple laboratory and a B.S. in biology can culture and grow? Hell, even shooting up transformers and high voltage power lines would cripple areas for weeks or months. We underestimate them at our own peril. They don't fear reprisals, and they don't fear death. That's a difficult enemy to deter. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:15:51 PM EDT
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Oh no! Quick, pass the SUPER Patriot Act and keep us safe! This is the infuriating part. The gov's response would give the country two mortal enemies bound to destroy it: ISIS and the statists. How could the people endure such a two-pronged attack, from without and within? 
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:17:03 PM EDT
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The problem is, who do we attack back? They don't have a single population center or country that they inhabit large enough and devoid of enough "innocent civilians" for us to retaliate in kind with nuclear weapons. That leaves us with the exact same response we had after 9/11. Send in SOF and CIA personnel to begin with to start the attack and gather intel, followed by a large scale ground invasion of military men and women. We end up in the same shithole with the same fucked up ROE's we had last go around. We end up gaining not a whole lot, and you can be damn sure they won't take the leash off our military. The American public as well as the people of the world would have a fucking stroke if we started going scorched earth on motherfuckers. We are essentially bound by our countries own unwillingness to fight. I hate to say it, but I don't think there is a lot we can do should they decide to nuke one of our cities. This isn't even mentioning the fact that the motherfuckers we're dealing with WANT to die. They literally have nothing to lose.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If ISIS or anyone ever does something like that the retaliation would be monumental. Only way is a nuke and I wouldn't want to be the rougue regime (Norks or Pakis) that sold it to them. The problem is, who do we attack back? They don't have a single population center or country that they inhabit large enough and devoid of enough "innocent civilians" for us to retaliate in kind with nuclear weapons. That leaves us with the exact same response we had after 9/11. Send in SOF and CIA personnel to begin with to start the attack and gather intel, followed by a large scale ground invasion of military men and women. We end up in the same shithole with the same fucked up ROE's we had last go around. We end up gaining not a whole lot, and you can be damn sure they won't take the leash off our military. The American public as well as the people of the world would have a fucking stroke if we started going scorched earth on motherfuckers. We are essentially bound by our countries own unwillingness to fight. I hate to say it, but I don't think there is a lot we can do should they decide to nuke one of our cities. This isn't even mentioning the fact that the motherfuckers we're dealing with WANT to die. They literally have nothing to lose. Simple. We crack down on the Constitutional rights and civil liberties of Americans. If you oppose civillian disarmerment and constant surveillance then you are with the terrorists. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:21:07 PM EDT
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You'll need to check with General Barack Hussein al Obama about that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We seriously need to take the gloves off. You'll need to check with General Barack Hussein al Obama about that. Agree...it will never happen. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:27:19 PM EDT
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If it is true, then the time is right to light them up by means of fusion before they can put their plan into action.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:31:39 PM EDT
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Maybe they are gonna open a wormhole above NYC.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:34:47 PM EDT
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Oh no! Quick, pass the SUPER Patriot Act and keep us safe! This and lets increase the defense budget. What a bunch of BS. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:37:58 PM EDT
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What about other peoples parents? Some of you guys fucking amaze me with your attitudes of not caring about the possible deaths of American citizens. I guess 9-11 didn't bother you either did it since your parents weren't there? Think about what that really means when you say it. You might as well be helping hoist that black flag yourself. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Chiraq wouldn't bother me as long as my parents were far enough away from the epicenter so as to not be harmed. What about other peoples parents? Some of you guys fucking amaze me with your attitudes of not caring about the possible deaths of American citizens. I guess 9-11 didn't bother you either did it since your parents weren't there? Think about what that really means when you say it. You might as well be helping hoist that black flag yourself. Exactly |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:41:44 PM EDT
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Clear and Present Danger and what not.
Great book. Movie sucked. Speaking of Authors, Bracken. FTMFW |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:42:50 PM EDT
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Pretty amazing , they declare war on us and we dont believe them. We open our already open borders even further. Its like our govt wants it to happen.
 I wonder what this administration wants from us , certainly not our best interest or safety.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:46:23 PM EDT
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Pretty amazing , they declare war on us and we dont believe them. We open our already open borders even further. Its like our govt wants it to happen. I wonder what this administration wants from us , certainly not our best interest or safety.If you haven't been paying attention, Obama and his crew want to fundamentally change the nature of America. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:46:29 PM EDT
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Easiest way to destroy a US city would be to screw up the food/water/electrical infrastructure and let the rioters do the rest of the work. That's how I was uhhhh trained indoctrinated to do it back in the 70s. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:48:43 PM EDT
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With the money they've got now, I wouldn't put anything past them. There's no shortage of countries (or folks with access to materials) that would slip something nasty out the back door to ISIS. Cargo container sails into port with a crude nuke or dirty device from Iran? 20 martyrs go on vacation to West Africa to get ebola, then spend days coughing and sneezing on mass transit in our cities? Derail a train going through a major city? What's on trains nowadays? Crude oil? Chlorine? Ammonia? How about them spreading any one of a dozen virulent diseases that someone with a simple laboratory and a B.S. in biology can culture and grow? Hell, even shooting up transformers and high voltage power lines would cripple areas for weeks or months. We underestimate them at our own peril. They don't fear reprisals, and they don't fear death. That's a difficult enemy to deter. Not saying Iran isn't antagonistic towards the US but they are Shia, ISIS is Sunni. Otherwise, carry on. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:51:01 PM EDT
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This and lets increase the defense budget. What a bunch of BS. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh no! Quick, pass the SUPER Patriot Act and keep us safe! This and lets increase the defense budget. What a bunch of BS. So we should cut the budget? I understand, we all saw the movie, President Eisenhower was ahead of his time. But at this time, in present day, do we need to reduce our capability to kill our enemies? If and when they bring this fight to our soil, we need a force to be feared. On the other hand, we should smite them where they stand. Smite them into the sand. Then, burn the sand. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:51:23 PM EDT
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And including myself included, view the political enemy here as a much more real threat to me than radical muslims. In ARFCOM fashion, both are dangerous. Obama policy has laid large parts of Iraq bare to ISIS, laid our own southern border open, and given Islamic terrorists Libya. Just to name three big ones. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:53:51 PM EDT
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I'm predicting the next target is Wall Street. That might stop the stock market. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:53:58 PM EDT
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chances of dying from things (2003 figures) heart disease 1 in 5 cancer 1 in 7 stroke 1 in 24 flu 1 in 38 car accident 1 in 84 falling 1 in 218 drowning 1 in 1,134 sun exposure 1 in 13,729 lightning 1 in 79,746 Terrorist attack 1 in 1,874,000 The govt. will use the fear of anything to take your freedom away, regardless of how remote. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:55:02 PM EDT
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If you haven't been paying attention, Obama and his crew want to fundamentally change the nature of America. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty amazing , they declare war on us and we dont believe them. We open our already open borders even further. Its like our govt wants it to happen. I wonder what this administration wants from us , certainly not our best interest or safety.If you haven't been paying attention, Obama and his crew want to fundamentally change the nature of America. Ive been paying attention long before the Kenyan ran for office. I just cant understand how stupid our general population is. Political correctness is killing us. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:56:19 PM EDT
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Oh no! Quick, pass the SUPER Patriot Act and keep us safe! Maybe a TSA agent can drive me to work every morning. 
God forbid they go full bore in arming the Kurds and lay off Assad. That would be a crazy strategy! |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:56:27 PM EDT
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If you haven't been paying attention, Obama and his crew want to fundamentally change the nature of America. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty amazing , they declare war on us and we dont believe them. We open our already open borders even further. Its like our govt wants it to happen. I wonder what this administration wants from us , certainly not our best interest or safety.If you haven't been paying attention, Obama and his crew want to fundamentally change the nature of America. The Deemocrat Party has two related goals: give the government full power over the people, and keep themselves in charge of that government. if eggs are broken along the way, so be it. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:56:50 PM EDT
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Oh no! Quick, pass the SUPER Patriot Act and keep us safe! No shit. You are all in danger! Quick, give me your freedoms, don't worry, we'll protect you. ISIS aren't the only ones who are crazy and out of control. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:58:01 PM EDT
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So we should cut the budget? I understand, we all saw the movie, President Eisenhower was ahead of his time. But at this time, in present day, do we need to reduce our capability to kill our enemies? If and when they bring this fight to our soil, we need a force to be feared. On the other hand, we should smite them where they stand. Smite them into the sand. Then, burn the sand. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh no! Quick, pass the SUPER Patriot Act and keep us safe! This and lets increase the defense budget. What a bunch of BS. So we should cut the budget? I understand, we all saw the movie, President Eisenhower was ahead of his time. But at this time, in present day, do we need to reduce our capability to kill our enemies? If and when they bring this fight to our soil, we need a force to be feared. On the other hand, we should smite them where they stand. Smite them into the sand. Then, burn the sand. Just to be clear, I said smite. Smite you. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:58:30 PM EDT
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I wont lose any sleep over their threats
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:58:47 PM EDT
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They're going to get one of their darkest-skinned jihadis shot by a white cop somewhere? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ISIS is preparing a method for destroying an American city. They're going to get one of their darkest-skinned jihadis shot by a white cop somewhere? I can see the headline now: Breaking: Holder on the Ground in Iraq to Investigate U.S. Bombing of My-ISIS-Baby-Didn't-Do-Nothin |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:59:30 PM EDT
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But don't worry about the open border  That's not sexy enough. They need something that takes away more of our civil rights. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:00:07 PM EDT
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DETROIT! Oh wait...nevermind.. 
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:01:00 PM EDT
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Oh no! Quick, pass the SUPER Patriot Act and keep us safe! First thing I thought.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:02:51 PM EDT
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in fairness we have heard this song and dance before... I dont doubt ISIS intent on doing us harm but i just dont see them pulling off destroying an entire city. If they arent doing that over there it will be that much harder to do here. AK's at a shopping mall, suicide bombings? Sure i could see that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just saw a snippet on Fox News where Senator Inhofe said that ISIS is preparing a method for destroying an American city. Maybe that's what aha gel meant when he said they are unlike anything we have seen so far. Could they have a nuke? Maybe some major components that they captured in Syria? WOW! WOW! 
WOW!! You don't find it at all troubling that the day after the Secretary of a Defense says that ISIS is beyond anything we've ever seen before, a US Senator goes on TV and states that they're rapidly developing the means to destroy an American city? in fairness we have heard this song and dance before... I dont doubt ISIS intent on doing us harm but i just dont see them pulling off destroying an entire city. If they arent doing that over there it will be that much harder to do here. AK's at a shopping mall, suicide bombings? Sure i could see that. Exactly. If only the U.S. had an all volunteer force of men and women willing to travel half-way around the world and kill these people. If only. 
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:04:24 PM EDT
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Meh, just propaganda so they have a reason to restrict us even more. I swear our own .gov is our worst enemy. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:10:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:12:45 PM EDT
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He could mean the fact that we don't have any anymore. The freedom to obey the bureaucracies every whim is your liberty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Scare me into giving up more if my civil liberties? Like which ones? They'll let you know He could mean the fact that we don't have any anymore. The freedom to obey the bureaucracies every whim is your liberty. There will be free and fair elections to vote for the one party in a one party system. 
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:18:26 PM EDT
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Meh, just propaganda so they have a reason to restrict us even more. I swear our own .gov is our worst enemy. This really isn't propaganda. There will be a nuclear attack on an American city in the next few years. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:23:49 PM EDT
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There's 360 million or so people in this country. There is no way there are not some really bad anti-American people here. 1/100 of 1 percent would be 36,000 bad guys? Think my math is right. 1000 radical Islamists is a drop in the bucket but could raise a lot of hell in short order. Tell your wife to believe. They are here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The wife and I had this conversation last night. She could not believe that one of THEM could get into the country and cause a shit storm. I pointed out that douche bag will not tighten down our borders and these fuckers are too PC to start profiling all the Hijab looking mothers for them to stop a breach. There's 360 million or so people in this country. There is no way there are not some really bad anti-American people here. 1/100 of 1 percent would be 36,000 bad guys? Think my math is right. 1000 radical Islamists is a drop in the bucket but could raise a lot of hell in short order. Tell your wife to believe. They are here. And yet they have done nothing? If there was a REAL terrorist threat they would be blowing the hell out of stuff every single day. The more they try to coordinate, the more they risk being discovered. 13 years later and the only attacks are some anthrax/ricin letters, a few shootings, and the boston bombing? Nearly every plot broken up by the government is a coercion effort. The most terrorism the American people have seen is the governments response to the terrorist boogey-man. |
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