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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:59:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was called for a burglary report where apparently someone broke into this gals house without forcing entry, passed up all the goodies in the bedroom, went into her bathroom, stole her pain meds (from among 15 undisturbed other bottles,) left the house, emptied the bottle into his pocket (or one of those big sacks they carry around with the dollar sign on the front) and absconded. Just two days after it was filled.  They can get very creative. Dispatch can usually weed out the bogus ones and "pills fell down the sink" reports. Now I do feel bad for the legit ones whose relatives/kids/friends swipe their pain meds. That happens a lot. You can Google the threads on dope forums about "medicine cabinet scores" If you are a parent or have an elderly relative who is on pain meds, lock them up. "Sally heard Paul's friend Dave talking about about his grandfather who has cancer" is sometimes all it can take. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Meh, let them. Turning down drug seekers is a unique pleasure. Their little faces get so sad...   This ruling might turn out to be a pain in the ass if I can't phone in scripts for vicodins anymore. Giving Tylenol #3 just means you get a call back later saying it still hurts.  I was called for a burglary report where apparently someone broke into this gals house without forcing entry, passed up all the goodies in the bedroom, went into her bathroom, stole her pain meds (from among 15 undisturbed other bottles,) left the house, emptied the bottle into his pocket (or one of those big sacks they carry around with the dollar sign on the front) and absconded. Just two days after it was filled. They can get very creative. Dispatch can usually weed out the bogus ones and "pills fell down the sink" reports. Now I do feel bad for the legit ones whose relatives/kids/friends swipe their pain meds. That happens a lot. You can Google the threads on dope forums about "medicine cabinet scores" If you are a parent or have an elderly relative who is on pain meds, lock them up. "Sally heard Paul's friend Dave talking about about his grandfather who has cancer" is sometimes all it can take.  |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:59:50 PM EDT
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in before soaring heroin abuse increases when people can't easily get this anymore. exactly. The number one path to heroin is after pill abuse. They either a: can't get the pills anymore or B: heroin becomes cheaper than the pills. This reg will do both of those. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:00:32 PM EDT
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Is it too late to change careers? How does Baja California sound to you? |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:01:18 PM EDT
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I have four left from a script for twelve from several years ago. Had oral surgery. Am I a felon now? The bottle has my name and info on it but is a bit faded. I carry them with us when we travel along with Amoxycillin for a tooth that can give me trouble. No. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:02:58 PM EDT
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Which is better:
Having one chronic severe pain sufferer unable to get the medication he needs and 50 pill heads who have to get their fix elsewhere? OR Having one chronic severe pain sufferer able to get the medication he needs and the 50 pill heads still able to get high on Dr.-prescribed opiates? |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:03:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. That changed a few years back. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Can't call it in or fax it in. It has to be locked up and a second inventory is kept. Same schedule as morphine and methadone. There were 130 million scripts for it last year. Hassle I don't need for my job. The MDs are in favor of making a c2 but we pharmacists are not. The strongest opioid you can call in now is tylenol with codeine. Welcome to 1935.  Also, some states have NPs or PAs that cannot write for c2 prescriptions. The same as restricting firearms, doesn't do a damn bit of good. Bad guys gonna be bad whether legal or not.  No. That changed a few years back. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:03:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm trying to figure how they make more money on this. Maybe through additional fees? In any case, it just makes it more cumbersome to prescribe those medications. It wastes more of my time without doing anything about drug diversion. While I agree it's a problem, this does absolutely nothing to fix it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They are making money on this. War on Drug$. Gotta be. I'm trying to figure how they make more money on this. Maybe through additional fees? In any case, it just makes it more cumbersome to prescribe those medications. It wastes more of my time without doing anything about drug diversion. While I agree it's a problem, this does absolutely nothing to fix it. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:03:38 PM EDT
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Which is better: Having one chronic severe pain sufferer unable to get the medication he needs and 50 pill heads who have to get their fix elsewhere? OR Having one chronic severe pain sufferer able to get the medication he needs and the 50 pill heads still able to get high on Dr.-prescribed opiates? Why do you hate freedom |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:08:40 PM EDT
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Which is better: Having one chronic severe pain sufferer unable to get the medication he needs and 50 pill heads who have to get their fix elsewhere? OR Having one chronic severe pain sufferer able to get the medication he needs and the 50 pill heads still able to get high on Dr.-prescribed opiates? If we can prevent just one person from doing something we don't like... |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:09:16 PM EDT
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Should be available over the counter, located next to the suppressors.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:10:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is better: Having one chronic severe pain sufferer unable to get the medication he needs and 50 pill heads who have to get their fix elsewhere? OR Having one chronic severe pain sufferer able to get the medication he needs and the 50 pill heads still able to get high on Dr.-prescribed opiates? |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:18:56 PM EDT
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Is there an index fund for Afghan heroin I can go long on?
The cartels just got a massive hard on. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:23:37 PM EDT
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Too many pill freaks out there. Not anymore. This new rule has fixed it. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:27:31 PM EDT
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It should be sold over the counter, from vending machines, packaged in a pez dispenser.
I don't want any, but I'm irritated by government restrictions on medicine.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:42:55 PM EDT
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This ought to do wonders for our medical system. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I ran a poll one time and roughly 65% of arfKom responded that they took prescription opiates legally. This ruling will affect a significant portion of this site. You know you just won't be able to waltz into the apothecary and ask your druggist to call up Dr. Jones to refill your Norco. You will have to go down and wait in line to get a new handwritten copy every time. If your doc is cool with it (hint, he won't be now that this is a Deuce) he would be able to write you three separate rxs totaling a 90 day supply. Yay for more doctor visits! So now, Medicare, Medicaid and the like will have to pay out more for useless visits. But if it saves one life! This ought to do wonders for our medical system. Yeah....because the provisions of Obamacare show us how bad they want an effective and efficient system. 
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:48:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is better: Having one chronic severe pain sufferer unable to get the medication he needs and 50 pill heads who have to get their fix elsewhere? OR Having one chronic severe pain sufferer able to get the medication he needs and the 50 pill heads still able to get high on Dr.-prescribed opiates? Buying 1,000 hydrocodones, sans acetaminophen via amazon prime, next day shipping. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 9:07:24 PM EDT
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Tramadol is widely abused here, I work behing the counter I know. The tramadol scheduling I agree with. Because now LEO can actually do something about for those who are in possession illegally, and abusing it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Tramadol is widely abused here, I work behing the counter I know. The tramadol scheduling I agree with. Because now LEO can actually do something about for those who are in possession illegally, and abusing it. 1. Who gives a flying fuck what a person abuses? 2. What schedule is alcohol on? As for the hydrocodone changing schedule to CII, now that is a crock of shit, bad idea. CIIs are just as widely abused in my area. Always fixing the problem the wrong way. 1. Who gives a flying fuck what a person abuses? 2. Wait a minute - you said "the tramadol scheduling I agree with", and then follow that up with "CIIs are just as widely abused in my area." So why bother? Just to "punish" people who use it? I'm sure that prison time will really help someone who a substance abuse problem sort their life out. You know, the whole losing job, losing one's home, and then being incarcerated with violent felons thing is a surefire way to straighten one's life out. IMO the fix should have been allow for more arrest and higher punishment for, the last forgery I caught wasted many hours of everyone's time just to plea out and agree to some bs. Caught her again at another place I was working a month later. The other part is over prescribing, and over filling, more regulations need to be put on it. Yes, it probably did waste many hours of everyone's time. So again, who gives a rat's ass if an adult want to abuse it? Yeah, we definitely need more government regulations, really this should be done in every aspect of our lives. Utopia awaits! |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 9:25:12 PM EDT
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Which is better: Having one chronic severe pain sufferer unable to get the medication he needs and 50 pill heads who have to get their fix elsewhere? OR Having one chronic severe pain sufferer able to get the medication he needs and the 50 pill heads still able to get high on Dr.-prescribed opiates? The pillheads still get their fix in the end in both scenarios. Yay for the War On Drugs™ |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 9:27:59 PM EDT
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No more refills on the Norco 10/325. You have to get a new script each and every time. This puts Hydrocodone in the same schedule as Oxymorphone. lol, .gov wins again DEA to Publish Final Rule Rescheduling Hydrocodone Combination Products AUG 21 (WASHINGTON)–On Friday the U. S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) will publish in the Federal Register the Final Rule moving hydrocodone combination products (HCPs) from Schedule III to the more-restrictive Schedule II, as recommended by the Assistant Secretary for Health of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and as supported by the DEA’s own evaluation of relevant data. The Federal Register has made the Final Rule available for preview on its website today at http://go.usa.gov/mc8d. This Final Rule imposes the regulatory controls and sanctions applicable to Schedule II substances on those who handle or propose to handle HCPs. It goes into effect in 45 days. Budget hearings are probably on the horizon.........
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Posted: 8/21/2014 9:48:28 PM EDT
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Good. After being a patient of a pain management specialist, I can say most of the patients are obnoxious seekers, not those actually in pain. For one, you do not surf on your iPhone when in pain requiring opiates. You do not drink 40 ounce sodas when you are in sleep depriving pain. And you do not talk my fucking ear off when you are contemplating taking 300mg of diphenhydramine to sleep. E Fuck all opiate seeking scumbags making it damn impossible to treat real, chronic pain. Thankfully the epidural cortisone in C6-7 worked perfectly the first time. No more appointments with fucked up pain clinic patients. Fucking scum of the earth. It is a damn miracle the physicians and staff were able to fix my problem, given the fucked up patients they must serve. Hey! Thanks for imposing "Your" own life experience on every other person out there! Just because you can't do it, or function on a certain level doesn't mean "Everyone" does! I used to think the same way when I was younger. My wife changed that for me one night. My 2 yo (at the time) daughter jumped on her side while they were horsing around one night. My wife went about her business. About an hour later she told me her side hurt. I was like take an aspirin and suck it up woman. next morning she was having slight difficulty breathing along with a burning in the same place. Took her to the ER where X-rays showed two broken ribs. This woman didn't even whimper the whole time.
Me I'm a self confessed wussy when it comes to pain. I broke my rib years ago on a dirt bike, and was Layed up crying like a baby for the better part of two weeks! Comparing those two situations taught me no two people hurt the same way! That is exactly the problem! Too many chiefs trying to impose their own life philosophy on others.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 9:53:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hydrocodone can be abused. Good restriction. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:07:36 PM EDT
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For the last 3 years of his life my Brother was in intense pain every day from a brain tumor. If he took his pain meds on schedule it stayed at a low threshold. But if he stopped for more than a day, it got so bad it took a hospital to get it under control again, just starting the pills again wouldn't work.
I can't imagine how much more difficult it would have been for both him and I had we had to get him physically to the doctor every month just for a refill. I pity every person out there with that kind of chronic pain and the people who care for them. It's a living hell, there's no need to make it worse. There has to be a better way than punishing those that really need it.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 1:37:48 AM EDT
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I'm allergic to codeine (the stop breathing kind) so hydrocodone (took a few while medical staff stood by with epinephrine the first-time ) is the first step for me. I imagine the next time I get hurt I'll have to deal with this. Getting hurt is such a pain in the ass as it is as I have to talk to work, call flight surgeon to find out how long I'm disqualified, and deal with the docs before taking anything. Last year when I herniated a disk I found out flexiril disqualifies me from working for eight days after I last take it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is so ducking dumb, norco/lortab/Vicodin aka hydrocodone containing products are a very common first line pain killer for doctors to prescribe when NSAIDs aren't sufficient, say after minor surgery, or a broken bone. Basically they've made all decent pain killers schedule 2. Codeine really isn't better than prescription NSAIDs other than it's use as a cough suppressant and tramadol interacts with many patients psych meds. I'm allergic to codeine (the stop breathing kind) so hydrocodone (took a few while medical staff stood by with epinephrine the first-time ) is the first step for me. I imagine the next time I get hurt I'll have to deal with this. Getting hurt is such a pain in the ass as it is as I have to talk to work, call flight surgeon to find out how long I'm disqualified, and deal with the docs before taking anything. Last year when I herniated a disk I found out flexiril disqualifies me from working for eight days after I last take it. Flexeril sucks. You should ask for Robaxin instead. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 1:43:32 AM EDT
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Someone is on a HIDTA or other task force and likes the OT me thinks Quote HistoryQuoted:
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in before soaring heroin abuse increases when people can't easily get this anymore. Just because people will find other ways to self medicate or get high doesn't mean that making opiates better controlled is a bad decision. Someone is on a HIDTA or other task force and likes the OT me thinks Actually, I left LE and I will soon be one of the ones forced to write scripts for this. 
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Posted: 8/22/2014 1:45:31 AM EDT
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Yes it does. Isn't meth still a big problem? Why do I have to go to a doc to get a script for Sudafed now? I thought that was supposed to solve the problem. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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in before soaring heroin abuse increases when people can't easily get this anymore. Just because people will find other ways to self medicate or get high doesn't mean that making opiates better controlled is a bad decision. Yes it does. Isn't meth still a big problem? Why do I have to go to a doc to get a script for Sudafed now? I thought that was supposed to solve the problem. You don't have to get a Rx in my state to get sudafed. You just need to ask for it and show your drivers license. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 1:47:45 AM EDT
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Is it different by state? No refills no call ins has been the rule around here for several years at least. My parent who works in a retail pharmacy says the only significant change for them is how it is stored.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 1:50:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow. It amazes me the number of people who regularly take narcotic pain pills. I try to avoid the damn things like the plauge. Alieve works well enough for ke. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I ran a poll one time and roughly 65% of arfKom responded that they took prescription opiates legally. This ruling will affect a significant portion of this site. You know you just won't be able to waltz into the apothecary and ask your druggist to call up Dr. Jones to refill your Norco. You will have to go down and wait in line to get a new handwritten copy every time. If your doc is cool with it (hint, he won't be now that this is a Deuce) he would be able to write you three separate rxs totaling a 90 day supply. Wow. It amazes me the number of people who regularly take narcotic pain pills. I try to avoid the damn things like the plauge. Alieve works well enough for ke. Your liver thanks you. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 1:52:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't want to live in a society where there are things that can be abused such as drugs and such. This was a good move towards that ideal society and I applaud the DEA for taking a bold stand against public enemy #1 which is drug abuse. No, I'm not serious. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Hydrocodone can be abused. Good restriction. When Newsweek was still a paper magazine, you'd see a headline one week as, "Doctors Create Nation Of Addicts". The following week it would be, "Doctors Leave Patients In Pain". If you want to adequately treat pain with every tool in the toolbox available, you must accept that some of the prescribed opiates will be diverted. Making Hydrocodone Schedule II is not going to stop it from being abused. I don't want to live in a society where there are things that can be abused such as drugs and such. This was a good move towards that ideal society and I applaud the DEA for taking a bold stand against public enemy #1 which is drug abuse. No, I'm not serious. 10 years ago, the chances that a GD comment like that was indeed serious were pretty high. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 1:57:33 AM EDT
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Sometimes I go though bouts of kidney stones. Hydro condones helped me a lot. If I felt a stone coming (pain in my back ). I'd drink a ton of water, pop 2 pain pills and go to sleep.
And when I got up id piss out a rock the size of a pencil eraser. So it's good to have a bottle on hand. I put all my leftover pain meds in my gunsafe. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 2:05:59 AM EDT
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Where do flintstones vitamins fall in all this? I've been hooked since I was a kid.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 2:41:13 AM EDT
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Hey! Thanks for imposing "Your" own life experience on every other person out there! Just because you can't do it, or function on a certain level doesn't mean "Everyone" does! I used to think the same way when I was younger. My wife changed that for me one night. My 2 yo (at the time) daughter jumped on her side while they were horsing around one night. My wife went about her business. About an hour later she told me her side hurt. I was like take an aspirin and suck it up woman. next morning she was having slight difficulty breathing along with a burning in the same place. Took her to the ER where X-rays showed two broken ribs. This woman didn't even whimper the whole time.
Me I'm a self confessed wussy when it comes to pain. I broke my rib years ago on a dirt bike, and was Layed up crying like a baby for the better part of two weeks! Comparing those two situations taught me no two people hurt the same way! That is exactly the problem! Too many chiefs trying to impose their own life philosophy on others. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good. After being a patient of a pain management specialist, I can say most of the patients are obnoxious seekers, not those actually in pain. For one, you do not surf on your iPhone when in pain requiring opiates. You do not drink 40 ounce sodas when you are in sleep depriving pain. And you do not talk my fucking ear off when you are contemplating taking 300mg of diphenhydramine to sleep. E Fuck all opiate seeking scumbags making it damn impossible to treat real, chronic pain. Thankfully the epidural cortisone in C6-7 worked perfectly the first time. No more appointments with fucked up pain clinic patients. Fucking scum of the earth. It is a damn miracle the physicians and staff were able to fix my problem, given the fucked up patients they must serve. Hey! Thanks for imposing "Your" own life experience on every other person out there! Just because you can't do it, or function on a certain level doesn't mean "Everyone" does! I used to think the same way when I was younger. My wife changed that for me one night. My 2 yo (at the time) daughter jumped on her side while they were horsing around one night. My wife went about her business. About an hour later she told me her side hurt. I was like take an aspirin and suck it up woman. next morning she was having slight difficulty breathing along with a burning in the same place. Took her to the ER where X-rays showed two broken ribs. This woman didn't even whimper the whole time.
Me I'm a self confessed wussy when it comes to pain. I broke my rib years ago on a dirt bike, and was Layed up crying like a baby for the better part of two weeks! Comparing those two situations taught me no two people hurt the same way! That is exactly the problem! Too many chiefs trying to impose their own life philosophy on others. KeithJ has a point about some of the pain management clientele. Drug addicts can be ugly, manipulative people. They've been known to steal pain medication from their own cancer-stricken mothers. A colleague of mine did pain management, and tried to go the non-opiate route whenever possible (injections, etc.). This didn't always make for happy patients (some people just wanted their scripts, and got angry when they find out he was not a "pill mill.") One night he was awakened by his burglar alarm giving him a "trouble code" chirp (not going off, just giving him a random hexedecimal code on the faceplate). He turned on his outside floodlights, didn't see anything, and finally had to pull the power to the panel to get it to shut up. He went to work the next morning and didn't think anything of it. A little later in the morning, his wife went to make a phone call, and couldn't get the phones to work (you can see where this is going...) She called the phone company, who sent out a tech. About five minutes after arriving, he called her outside to the side of their house... to show her where the lines for their phone and internet had been cleanly cut during the night. This explained the "trouble code" on the burglar alarm panel. And in case you're not getting the gravity of that situation, that wasn't your run-of-the-mill burglary or vandalism... that was somebody with a plan. Most residential burglaries happen during the day, not in the wee hours... and they almost never pull that kind of James- Bond sh*t... unless they have a plan. This was a guy with no enemies, or angry ex-wives out there... but plenty of disgruntled drug-seekers. You do the math. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 2:54:02 AM EDT
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Should be available over the counter, located next to the suppressors. It should be. Let the junkies OD idgaf. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:12:42 AM EDT
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KeithJ has a point about some of the pain management clientele. Drug addicts can be ugly, manipulative people. They've been known to steal pain medication from their own cancer-stricken mothers. A colleague of mine did pain management, and tried to go the non-opiate route whenever possible (injections, etc.). This didn't always make for happy patients (some people just wanted their scripts, and got angry when they find out he was not a "pill mill.") One night he was awakened by his burglar alarm giving him a "trouble code" chirp (not going off, just giving him a random hexedecimal code on the faceplate). He turned on his outside floodlights, didn't see anything, and finally had to pull the power to the panel to get it to shut up. He went to work the next morning and didn't think anything of it. A little later in the morning, his wife went to make a phone call, and couldn't get the phones to work (you can see where this is going...) She called the phone company, who sent out a tech. About five minutes after arriving, he called her outside to the side of their house... to show her where the lines for their phone and internet had been cleanly cut during the night. This explained the "trouble code" on the burglar alarm panel. And in case you're not getting the gravity of that situation, that wasn't your run-of-the-mill burglary or vandalism... that was somebody with a plan. Most residential burglaries happen during the day, not in the wee hours... and they almost never pull that kind of James- Bond sh*t... unless they have a plan. This was a guy with no enemies, or angry ex-wives out there... but plenty of disgruntled drug-seekers. You do the math. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good. After being a patient of a pain management specialist, I can say most of the patients are obnoxious seekers, not those actually in pain. For one, you do not surf on your iPhone when in pain requiring opiates. You do not drink 40 ounce sodas when you are in sleep depriving pain. And you do not talk my fucking ear off when you are contemplating taking 300mg of diphenhydramine to sleep. E Fuck all opiate seeking scumbags making it damn impossible to treat real, chronic pain. Thankfully the epidural cortisone in C6-7 worked perfectly the first time. No more appointments with fucked up pain clinic patients. Fucking scum of the earth. It is a damn miracle the physicians and staff were able to fix my problem, given the fucked up patients they must serve. Hey! Thanks for imposing "Your" own life experience on every other person out there! Just because you can't do it, or function on a certain level doesn't mean "Everyone" does! I used to think the same way when I was younger. My wife changed that for me one night. My 2 yo (at the time) daughter jumped on her side while they were horsing around one night. My wife went about her business. About an hour later she told me her side hurt. I was like take an aspirin and suck it up woman. next morning she was having slight difficulty breathing along with a burning in the same place. Took her to the ER where X-rays showed two broken ribs. This woman didn't even whimper the whole time.
Me I'm a self confessed wussy when it comes to pain. I broke my rib years ago on a dirt bike, and was Layed up crying like a baby for the better part of two weeks! Comparing those two situations taught me no two people hurt the same way! That is exactly the problem! Too many chiefs trying to impose their own life philosophy on others. KeithJ has a point about some of the pain management clientele. Drug addicts can be ugly, manipulative people. They've been known to steal pain medication from their own cancer-stricken mothers. A colleague of mine did pain management, and tried to go the non-opiate route whenever possible (injections, etc.). This didn't always make for happy patients (some people just wanted their scripts, and got angry when they find out he was not a "pill mill.") One night he was awakened by his burglar alarm giving him a "trouble code" chirp (not going off, just giving him a random hexedecimal code on the faceplate). He turned on his outside floodlights, didn't see anything, and finally had to pull the power to the panel to get it to shut up. He went to work the next morning and didn't think anything of it. A little later in the morning, his wife went to make a phone call, and couldn't get the phones to work (you can see where this is going...) She called the phone company, who sent out a tech. About five minutes after arriving, he called her outside to the side of their house... to show her where the lines for their phone and internet had been cleanly cut during the night. This explained the "trouble code" on the burglar alarm panel. And in case you're not getting the gravity of that situation, that wasn't your run-of-the-mill burglary or vandalism... that was somebody with a plan. Most residential burglaries happen during the day, not in the wee hours... and they almost never pull that kind of James- Bond sh*t... unless they have a plan. This was a guy with no enemies, or angry ex-wives out there... but plenty of disgruntled drug-seekers. You do the math. The day I as a resident decided not to do a pain fellowship was this: the hospital operator started giving out my personal phone number one night to people calling for pain. I was not happy with the 3am calls demanding pills. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:25:04 AM EDT
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All the people complaining about this, are probably people who develop a sweat after not having their hydrocodone a few hours past the time they normally take it every day. LOL. Pathetic
My ex's sister and her husband got into drugs. It started with oxy. They started using heroine, and then they started breaking into people's homes and stealing guns. Taking those guns to a major city and selling them to gangs to get money to buy more heroine. It look ALOT of work to get their lives back in order, and they still say it'd so easy to get back into it. This isn't a game, it's real life, people. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:25:57 AM EDT
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Some of our pillheads are sweating. That may be true, but what does this actually accomplish? This is a lot like the liberal way ot judging a program or policy by its intentions instead of its results. It doesn't matter that will expand the size and scope of government, hurt law-abiding, innocent people, and help the cartels. It makes us feel good.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:37:41 AM EDT
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Who the FUCK wants to take that shit if they don't have to!!??
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:38:59 AM EDT
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The day I as a resident decided not to do a pain fellowship was this: the hospital operator started giving out my personal phone number one night to people calling for pain. I was not happy with the 3am calls demanding pills. People who have never had to deal with the pill-seeking population have no idea. Seekers come into the ER every single day, with every excuse in the book, and get downright abusive/ugly when we decline to refill their percocets. One of these days, one of the crazy bastards is going to start shooting. Because that's already happened. This guy killed his doctor after the doc declined his drug-seeking This guy bit off his doctor's finger after not getting his drugs |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:40:29 AM EDT
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Hydrocodone can be abused. Good restriction. They should just make it illegal, that would keep people from using it. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:53:05 AM EDT
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Hydrocodone can be abused. Good restriction. Interdasting. I had brain, skull, and spine surgery about 3 weeks ago ( August 4th) and when I was discharged from the hospital the surgeon gave me a scrip for 40 Hydrocodone and 40 Flexeril ( muscle relaxer due to the fact that they cut through all of my neck muscles), and when I had my 1 week post-op check-up his PA said if I need a refill on my meds that I should call them. Well, I ran out of the Hydrocodon and was still having pretty bad pain in the evenings, so I called and asked for a few more pain meds. They said no problem, your likely to have neck pain for up to 5 weeks just from the neck muscles trying to heal while still holding my head up all day.. I figured they would refill for 10 or so of something other than hydrocodone since I was already well into recovery. The refilled the whole 40 Hydrocodone. I was stunned. I was taking one in the evening when my neck hurt so I could sleep instead of the two every 4-6 hours. During the day a couple of ibuprofen keeps everything quiet. I think I have taken 2 out of that 40 in the last week. No wonder folks get hooked on that shit. When I had my ACL done, they gave me like 2 days worth and then something different. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:12:23 AM EDT
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Good, from what I have seen abusers take the pills more than those who really need them. Pill poppers are the reason I first started to carry a gun.
6 years ago some masked asshole jumped the pharmacy counter and put a 10" knife to the throat of the 17yr old girl working the register while demanding Oxy, which the on-duty pharmacist gave him. Well, that got me applying for my carry permit the next morning. No way in hell would I let that happen to a kid on my watch. Wouldn't you know the fucker came back 3 more times before we could nail him? Once more he came in with the knife, the pharmacist working that night had a set of brass balls and told him "we don't have Oxycontin, why don't you take the Vicodin and N-100?" and 2,700+ pills later he was out the door. The next two times he came in after we closed - the first time was about 15 minutes after I walked the other employees out and we left for the night (decades-long policy to always leave as a group). He used a sledgehammer to bust in the rear door safety glass, and I'm glad he wasn't 20 minutes earlier because I don't know what I would have done. He couldn't get into the safe because it was locked so he grabbed all of our Vicodin. The last time he busted in was a charm, our local PD had stuffed a GPS transmitter into a 500ct bottle of the 7.5/500 that he was fond of, he busted in and grabbed the bottle, and promptly took off down the highway with our locals in slightly distant pursuit. The thief wound up at a warehouse on the other side of the state, when the police got the door open they found the smashed GPS, knife, sledgehammer, and a shitload of pills. He claimed he was using 50+ pills a day for his habit. 
Will this be a hassle for those who really need the pills? Yes. Will this do anything meaningful? Probably not. Will this slow down the pill-poppers and get them to move to other drugs? Maybe. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:18:01 AM EDT
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KeithJ has a point about some of the pain management clientele. Drug addicts can be ugly, manipulative people. They've been known to steal pain medication from their own cancer-stricken mothers. A colleague of mine did pain management, and tried to go the non-opiate route whenever possible (injections, etc.). This didn't always make for happy patients (some people just wanted their scripts, and got angry when they find out he was not a "pill mill.") One night he was awakened by his burglar alarm giving him a "trouble code" chirp (not going off, just giving him a random hexedecimal code on the faceplate). He turned on his outside floodlights, didn't see anything, and finally had to pull the power to the panel to get it to shut up. He went to work the next morning and didn't think anything of it. A little later in the morning, his wife went to make a phone call, and couldn't get the phones to work (you can see where this is going...) She called the phone company, who sent out a tech. About five minutes after arriving, he called her outside to the side of their house... to show her where the lines for their phone and internet had been cleanly cut during the night. This explained the "trouble code" on the burglar alarm panel. And in case you're not getting the gravity of that situation, that wasn't your run-of-the-mill burglary or vandalism... that was somebody with a plan. Most residential burglaries happen during the day, not in the wee hours... and they almost never pull that kind of James- Bond sh*t... unless they have a plan. This was a guy with no enemies, or angry ex-wives out there... but plenty of disgruntled drug-seekers. You do the math. Quote HistoryQuoted:
KeithJ has a point about some of the pain management clientele. Drug addicts can be ugly, manipulative people. They've been known to steal pain medication from their own cancer-stricken mothers. A colleague of mine did pain management, and tried to go the non-opiate route whenever possible (injections, etc.). This didn't always make for happy patients (some people just wanted their scripts, and got angry when they find out he was not a "pill mill.") One night he was awakened by his burglar alarm giving him a "trouble code" chirp (not going off, just giving him a random hexedecimal code on the faceplate). He turned on his outside floodlights, didn't see anything, and finally had to pull the power to the panel to get it to shut up. He went to work the next morning and didn't think anything of it. A little later in the morning, his wife went to make a phone call, and couldn't get the phones to work (you can see where this is going...) She called the phone company, who sent out a tech. About five minutes after arriving, he called her outside to the side of their house... to show her where the lines for their phone and internet had been cleanly cut during the night. This explained the "trouble code" on the burglar alarm panel. And in case you're not getting the gravity of that situation, that wasn't your run-of-the-mill burglary or vandalism... that was somebody with a plan. Most residential burglaries happen during the day, not in the wee hours... and they almost never pull that kind of James- Bond sh*t... unless they have a plan. This was a guy with no enemies, or angry ex-wives out there... but plenty of disgruntled drug-seekers. You do the math. My mother had need of a pain clinic's services for a while until she could get surgical correction for spinal stenosis. Being in the pain clinic was an eye opener. The majority of the people in there were on disability with far less severe circumstances than hers...and almost all of them wanted pills. The doc was one of the most defeated looking human beings I've ever talked to. He perked up with mom because she A. wasn't seeking disability B. wanted the bare minimum she could get away with using drugs C. was actively pursuing surgical remedy to a legit problem. This combo made her a rarity, at least in that doc's experience. Quoted:
People who have never had to deal with the pill-seeking population have no idea. Seekers come into the ER every single day, with every excuse in the book, and get downright abusive/ugly when we decline to refill their percocets. One of these days, one of the crazy bastards is going to start shooting. Pretty much. I've actually been asked to show up at a Doc's office before to help them close up because a pill head threatened to kill everybody if he didn't get what he wanted out of the docs. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:39:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People who have never had to deal with the pill-seeking population have no idea. Seekers come into the ER every single day, with every excuse in the book, and get downright abusive/ugly when we decline to refill their percocets. One of these days, one of the crazy bastards is going to start shooting. Because that's already happened. This guy killed his doctor after the doc declined his drug-seeking This guy bit off his doctor's finger after not getting his drugs Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The day I as a resident decided not to do a pain fellowship was this: the hospital operator started giving out my personal phone number one night to people calling for pain. I was not happy with the 3am calls demanding pills. People who have never had to deal with the pill-seeking population have no idea. Seekers come into the ER every single day, with every excuse in the book, and get downright abusive/ugly when we decline to refill their percocets. One of these days, one of the crazy bastards is going to start shooting. Because that's already happened. This guy killed his doctor after the doc declined his drug-seeking This guy bit off his doctor's finger after not getting his drugs Golly gee. If only there were a way for them to get their fix without having to go to a doctor. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:39:37 AM EDT
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That may be true, but what does this actually accomplish? This is a lot like the liberal way ot judging a program or policy by its intentions instead of its results. It doesn't matter that will expand the size and scope of government, hurt law-abiding, innocent people, and help the cartels. It makes us feel good. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some of our pillheads are sweating. That may be true, but what does this actually accomplish? This is a lot like the liberal way ot judging a program or policy by its intentions instead of its results. It doesn't matter that will expand the size and scope of government, hurt law-abiding, innocent people, and help the cartels. It makes us feel good. Perhaps we should consider euthanizing our infirm so that we have no need of the evil opiates. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:43:50 AM EDT
[#44]
Frigging great... $185.00 a month to go visit the Dr. to get a monthly script the wife needs basically forever.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:48:39 AM EDT
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You can thank Comrade Haley Barbour for that one buddy. Move to a free state Quote HistoryQuoted:
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in before soaring heroin abuse increases when people can't easily get this anymore. Just because people will find other ways to self medicate or get high doesn't mean that making opiates better controlled is a bad decision. Yes it does. Isn't meth still a big problem? Why do I have to go to a doc to get a script for Sudafed now? I thought that was supposed to solve the problem. You can thank Comrade Haley Barbour for that one buddy. Move to a free state I blame Phil. He really pushed the idea. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:51:03 AM EDT
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in before soaring heroin abuse increases when people can't easily get this anymore. You've got it backwards The heroin use rate has soared due to so many getting hooked on pills and shooting up being the cheap alternative Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:52:07 AM EDT
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Pretty much. I've actually been asked to show up at a Doc's office before to help them close up because a pill head threatened to kill everybody if he didn't get what he wanted out of the docs. I had a colleague who would prescribe anything to anybody... we called him the "Candyman" (he worked in the ER). When I called him out on it, he stated that he would rather do that, than have a disgruntled patient return with a gun and kill half the staff. I thought he was kind of wuss, but I get his point. I'm not dying for somebody else's pills either. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:52:31 AM EDT
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Hydrocodone can be abused. Good restriction. Thanks brain surgeon.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:56:09 AM EDT
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Frigging great... $185.00 a month to go visit the Dr. to get a monthly script the wife needs basically forever. You can't get more than 1 monthly script each visit? I know someone who takes a drug which requires a new prescription every month, but the doctor will give him 3 30 day prescriptions per visit. Different schedule, maybe? Edit: Nope, it's a schedule II as well. Don't see why you shouldn't be able to do the same with Hydrocodone. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:03:13 AM EDT
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Wow. It amazes me the number of people who regularly take narcotic pain pills. I try to avoid the damn things like the plauge. Alieve works well enough for ke. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I ran a poll one time and roughly 65% of arfKom responded that they took prescription opiates legally. This ruling will affect a significant portion of this site. You know you just won't be able to waltz into the apothecary and ask your druggist to call up Dr. Jones to refill your Norco. You will have to go down and wait in line to get a new handwritten copy every time. If your doc is cool with it (hint, he won't be now that this is a Deuce) he would be able to write you three separate rxs totaling a 90 day supply. Wow. It amazes me the number of people who regularly take narcotic pain pills. I try to avoid the damn things like the plauge. Alieve works well enough for ke. I talk to lots of pill addicts that honestly believed they weren't junkies cause "the Dr. prescribed it." |
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