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Posted: 8/20/2014 7:14:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/20/2014 7:15:47 PM EDT
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Oh for fucks sake!
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Posted: 8/20/2014 7:17:23 PM EDT
[#2]
sold by neckbeards and wears out after 100 presses. Ya dun been got.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 7:18:58 PM EDT
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At least it is an option
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Posted: 8/20/2014 7:19:29 PM EDT
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Where would you buy primer compound?
I thought it was put in wet and centrifuged to get in the rim? |
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Posted: 8/20/2014 7:20:54 PM EDT
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This isn't a new idea.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 7:22:17 PM EDT
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I thought it was a .223 conversion for my .22 rifle. Shit.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 7:22:25 PM EDT
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How do you unfuck the case rims? I have some 22 rifles that absolutely crush the rim. Only a dumbass would think this is possible and/or a good idea.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 7:25:15 PM EDT
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Where would you buy primer compound? I thought it was put in wet and centrifuged to get in the rim? Yep, right before that is the Brave Keebler Elf step: How .22 Is Made |
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Posted: 8/20/2014 7:57:14 PM EDT
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Where would you buy primer compound? I thought it was put in wet and centrifuged to get in the rim? The white tips on strike anywhere matches are the same material . |
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Posted: 8/20/2014 7:59:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/20/2014 7:59:39 PM EDT
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The white tips on strike anywhere matches are the same material . Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where would you buy primer compound? I thought it was put in wet and centrifuged to get in the rim? The white tips on strike anywhere matches are the same material . So ... just sand it off? |
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Posted: 8/20/2014 8:03:37 PM EDT
[#12]
(sssssshhhhhhh, Smart Neckbeard invented this)
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Posted: 8/20/2014 8:16:08 PM EDT
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Where would you buy primer compound? I thought it was put in wet and centrifuged to get in the rim? Eley prime is pressed in. |
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Posted: 8/20/2014 8:20:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So ... just sand it off? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Where would you buy primer compound? I thought it was put in wet and centrifuged to get in the rim? The white tips on strike anywhere matches are the same material . So ... just sand it off? |
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Posted: 8/20/2014 8:22:02 PM EDT
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Sounds like a terrible idea and a waste of money. Also, that website is severely lacking.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 8:29:37 PM EDT
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Sounds like a terrible idea and a waste of money. Also, that website is severely lacking. That is the best site the Geocities page builder could come up with! 
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Posted: 8/20/2014 8:34:07 PM EDT
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The white tips on strike anywhere matches are the same material . Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where would you buy primer compound? I thought it was put in wet and centrifuged to get in the rim? The white tips on strike anywhere matches are the same material . How sure of that are you? |
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Posted: 8/20/2014 8:40:17 PM EDT
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How do you unfuck the case rims? I have some 22 rifles that absolutely crush the rim. Only a dumbass would think this is possible and/or a good idea. I've been watching for one of the Depression era kits. I know how to iron out the firing pin dents, too. |
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Posted: 8/20/2014 8:44:37 PM EDT
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I enjoy reloading, so I tell myself it doesn't matter about the time I spend doing it.
But this? Oh my! I'd rather go out and dry fire my .22s at targets and pretend they are shooting. In an eotwawki situation, I'll use a pellet gun if I run out of .22 I might buy one of those reloading kits as a joke gift, if it were $10 |
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Posted: 8/20/2014 8:56:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/20/2014 9:18:54 PM EDT
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considering .22 rimfires are 1840s technology there is no reason why this wouldn't work.
Most Arfcomers would likely be shocked to know how cartridges used to be loaded during World War I and earlier........heck I've seen 7.62x25mm ammo loaded in a manner most here would not believe in a famous European ammo plant well known here in the US. The bullet is simply a cast lead projectile and they provide a mould for two designs. Powder data and loads are provided as well as two powder scoops. A crimper is provided. Caps or strike anywhere matches are used for the priming compound. Nothing new here. Acetone or water is used with it.... Everything except the priming is very straight forward and not too distant than an age old Lee Loader The priming would be laborious one case at a time by hand. But it should work. You can 'reload' Boxer/Berdan primers using the same compounds. I agree on the comments about deformed cases. So you'd have to add in a step for that. But.........would it work............sure........why wouldn't it. Is it ideal? No for two reasons. 1. It would be very labor intensive. You'd have a lot of time in each cartridge, how much is your time worth 2. Rimfire plants tend to blow up. Bad things can happen if you store up a pile of primer compound and something unexpected happens. Now......as someone who reloads 19th Century 11mm Ordnance revolver cartridges.....I think it could be fun to try! videos on how to use their kit with full explanations here http://22lrreloader.com/video/ |
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Posted: 8/20/2014 9:23:13 PM EDT
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I've been watching for one of the Depression era kits. I know how to iron out the firing pin dents, too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How do you unfuck the case rims? I have some 22 rifles that absolutely crush the rim. Only a dumbass would think this is possible and/or a good idea. I've been watching for one of the Depression era kits. I know how to iron out the firing pin dents, too. agreed dealing with the firing pin hits isn't a big deal.....but just another step.... I find it interesting how many people think loading cartridges is some wizardry..... I've taken fired steel case 7.62x39mm cases, converted them from Berdan to Boxer primers, necked them to 6.5mm, fire formed them to 6.5mm Grendel and reloaded them again and again just for fun....... this might be fun to do....for a box or two......
I'd probably try loading lead round balls of the proper size too, to make things easier.... |
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Posted: 8/20/2014 9:28:15 PM EDT
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I dont care if you could somehow manage to reload them for FREE, the amount of time and effort would not be worth it.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 9:47:51 PM EDT
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That would be less exciting than watching grass grow
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Posted: 8/20/2014 10:22:45 PM EDT
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I dont care if you could somehow manage to reload them for FREE, the amount of time and effort would not be worth it. it would indeed be VERY tedious..... |
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Posted: 8/20/2014 10:43:36 PM EDT
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Jesus, I thought handloading for my 308 was boring, fuck all that.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 10:51:17 PM EDT
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I've often wondered why no one sells primed cases so people can load their own specialty rounds.
Priming you own seems a bit
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Posted: 8/21/2014 4:40:53 AM EDT
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Where would you buy primer compound? I thought it was put in wet and centrifuged to get in the rim? The white tips on strike anywhere matches are the same material . How sure of that are you? I was close https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=9-X1U7uANMnmsASOxIDADg&url=http://castboolits.gunloads.com/archive/index.php/t-112989.html&cd=1&ved=0CBwQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNFVFusjG4aiizZtsVIR4uzQ-TnHQA |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:01:51 AM EDT
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Good grief, just get a good pellet rifle and shoot that for short range practice.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:10:58 AM EDT
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I dont care if you could somehow manage to reload them for FREE, the amount of time and effort would not be worth it. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:17:09 AM EDT
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Where would you buy primer compound? I thought it was put in wet and centrifuged to get in the rim? Yep, right before that is the Brave Keebler Elf step: How .22 Is Made That was cool - thanks for the link! |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:24:30 AM EDT
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It certainly valuable to be able to know how and have tools to do it. Prices could get even worse - we still have year plus of Obama to cut our constitution.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:25:57 AM EDT
[#33]
still cheaper than a brick of neckbearded .22
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:30:20 AM EDT
[#34]
It would seem to me you would have to segregate the lots depending on what the empties came out of unless the cases are resized.
For instance: Fired cases from a 10-22 or the other modern sloppy chambered .22 rifles made these days won't even go into most of my match rifles or even vintage .22 rifles with their tighter chambers. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:16:25 AM EDT
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I've often wondered why no one sells primed cases so people can load their own specialty rounds. Priming you own seems a bit
Occasionally a batch of cases shows up, but it's rare and they get snapped up quickly. What we need is to figure out a reliable and reasonably safe priming compound that can be used in rimfire cases or "rebuilt" primers for centerfire cartridges. Match tips don't resonate much with me, but if it works it works but no doubt could be improved. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:26:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Occasionally a batch of cases shows up, but it's rare and they get snapped up quickly. What we need is to figure out a reliable and reasonably safe priming compound that can be used in rimfire cases or "rebuilt" primers for centerfire cartridges. Match tips don't resonate much with me, but if it works it works but no doubt could be improved. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've often wondered why no one sells primed cases so people can load their own specialty rounds. Priming you own seems a bit Occasionally a batch of cases shows up, but it's rare and they get snapped up quickly. What we need is to figure out a reliable and reasonably safe priming compound that can be used in rimfire cases or "rebuilt" primers for centerfire cartridges. Match tips don't resonate much with me, but if it works it works but no doubt could be improved. The other issue is powder, notice they use pyrodex, because rimfire powder isn't available.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:41:43 AM EDT
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I have a metric shit ton of .22 lr brass. this is awesome!
Weird. I looked for shell plates and dies and found nothing. Any body have any load data.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:43:18 AM EDT
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I thought it was a .223 conversion for my .22 rifle. Shit. Think of all the money we could save if such a thing existed. 
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Posted: 8/21/2014 12:02:02 PM EDT
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You can get resorcinol, no problem. Sulfuric acid is also easy, nitric acid a bit more difficult. Now you have what is needed to make trinitroresocinol, aka styphinic acid. React that with a basic lead salt and you have raw priming compound. Watch out, high explosive and it must be mixed with certain fuels and stabilizers. Keep it wet and all is relatively safe, let it dry out on container threads and boom. The other issue is powder, notice they use pyrodex, because rimfire powder isn't available. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've often wondered why no one sells primed cases so people can load their own specialty rounds. Priming you own seems a bit
Occasionally a batch of cases shows up, but it's rare and they get snapped up quickly. What we need is to figure out a reliable and reasonably safe priming compound that can be used in rimfire cases or "rebuilt" primers for centerfire cartridges. Match tips don't resonate much with me, but if it works it works but no doubt could be improved. The other issue is powder, notice they use pyrodex, because rimfire powder isn't available. I was just etching brass with nitric acid the other day, I can see your point.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 1:46:08 PM EDT
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You can get resorcinol, no problem. Sulfuric acid is also easy, nitric acid a bit more difficult. Now you have what is needed to make trinitroresocinol, aka styphinic acid. React that with a basic lead salt and you have raw priming compound. Watch out, high explosive and it must be mixed with certain fuels and stabilizers. Keep it wet and all is relatively safe, let it dry out on container threads and boom. The other issue is powder, notice they use pyrodex, because rimfire powder isn't available. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've often wondered why no one sells primed cases so people can load their own specialty rounds. Priming you own seems a bit
Occasionally a batch of cases shows up, but it's rare and they get snapped up quickly. What we need is to figure out a reliable and reasonably safe priming compound that can be used in rimfire cases or "rebuilt" primers for centerfire cartridges. Match tips don't resonate much with me, but if it works it works but no doubt could be improved. The other issue is powder, notice they use pyrodex, because rimfire powder isn't available. I expect a slow but as safe as possible procedure could be worked out to limit the danger, mostly by separating components to eliminate sympathetic explosions across many primed cases, or into the bulk batch of priming compound. One case popping shouldn't be an issue when it is pointed in a safe direction, but a mixing bowl of impact and friction sensitive material is another thing altogether. There's enough information in print to concoct priming compound, but I have to wonder if the basic materials could be made safer, along the idea of the modern "insensitive" high explosives we use in weapons now. Rimfire cases are not terrible difficult to fabricate, bullets are simple, and I'm not too worried about getting gunpowder (I'd use 4Fg before I'd use Pyrodex, I don't like that stuff much), but priming the cases is not straightforward for the shade tree loader. Yet, it was not a barricade to 19th Century manufacturers. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 1:58:36 PM EDT
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So ... just sand it off? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where would you buy primer compound? I thought it was put in wet and centrifuged to get in the rim? The white tips on strike anywhere matches are the same material . So ... just sand it off? Per the video, you cut them off with a knife, crush them with the back of the tool, drop the crushed primer into the case, use the eye dropper to drop 1 or two drops of acetone, use the included tool to smear the wet primer slurry into the rim, and leave to dry. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 2:03:26 PM EDT
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Ah the neckbeards are drooling over this one.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 2:16:16 PM EDT
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Interesting idea.
I haven't shot .22 in over two years at this point and I still have 4 bricks. I'll spend my time reloading .223, 300 BLK, 9mm. 10mm, and .45. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 2:25:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Per the video, you cut them off with a knife, crush them with the back of the tool, drop the crushed primer into the case, use the eye dropper to drop 1 or two drops of acetone, use the included tool to smear the wet primer slurry into the rim, and leave to dry. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 2:26:03 PM EDT
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Years back, somewhere between 1900-1930, Winchester use to sell primed .22 cases and lead bullets. The reloader added the powder and seated the bullet.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 2:35:33 PM EDT
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Where would you buy primer compound? I thought it was put in wet and centrifuged to get in the rim? My understanding is they used to reload 22s in East Germany before the wall came down. I remember reading an article about them casting the bullets, and thought it said they were using the material off some type of match heads for priming compound. Not sure on that part though. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 2:36:49 PM EDT
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Where would you buy primer compound? I thought it was put in wet and centrifuged to get in the rim? Yep, right before that is the Brave Keebler Elf step: How .22 Is Made That was cool |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 4:00:43 PM EDT
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How do you unfuck the case rims? I have some 22 rifles that absolutely crush the rim. Only a dumbass would think this is possible and/or a good idea. I guess you need to make sure the primer impacts don't line up. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 4:06:30 PM EDT
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How do you unfuck the case rims? I have some 22 rifles that absolutely crush the rim. Only a dumbass would think this is possible and/or a good idea. I guess you need to make sure the primer impacts don't line up. Exactly, so this ammunition is best used in a single shot rifle or pistol. But, like I said above, the dents can be ironed out, but a tool will need to be made, and the process of prepping brass will become obnoxious. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:55:48 PM EDT
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Priming isn't a problem as long as the tooling and area are kept free of residue. Of course this is done wet, making it safer. Then cases are spun, again easy to do for the DIYer.
Black powder? Forget it. Energy density makes it impractical. Semi smokeless is far better and within reach. Although something like Bullseye or N310 should work, if you can get the priming hot enough. Not explosive hot, flame and ignition hot. Unlike center fire, the rim has no nozzle to spray the granules. Instead, fuel and oxidizer particles must jump into the propellant.
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