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Posted: 8/19/2014 8:54:43 AM EDT
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Why is there always some 'tard who insists that 2WD>4WD? Because they can't afford 4wd so they try to justify their 2wd's meaningless existence. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 8:58:44 AM EDT
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My 2WD shits all over your 4WD. Learn how to drive.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 8:59:01 AM EDT
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I have a buddy who got pulled out of a ditch 3 times last year. 2wd suburban. Claims it is still better.
I went off zero times and I drive like a jackass. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:00:18 AM EDT
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I also love the nubs that say that a RWD is better in winter than a FWD.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:02:58 AM EDT
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I have literally never heard someone say this in my life.
Maybe because I live in NH and we actually need 4WD on occasion. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:04:12 AM EDT
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I have driven 2WD most of my life and have never been in the ditch. Is 4WD better? Sure, it's better for getting you out of the ditch if you are an idiot and cannot properly drive a 2WD vehicle in the snow.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:04:39 AM EDT
[#7]
IIRC, "Great Living in Grubby Times" states that a 2WD pickup with a locking diff is equal to, or better than 4WD.
I'll stick with what I know to work, TYVM. It's sort of like the "one is none, two is one" thing. Just multiply by 2. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:05:40 AM EDT
[#8]
FPNI
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:08:20 AM EDT
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My truck is 4X4. With that said I have always been told the only thing a 4X4 will do is get you stuck futher in the woods.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:08:54 AM EDT
[#10]
No beans.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:09:16 AM EDT
[#11]
My jeep does both.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:09:22 AM EDT
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Around here suburbanites don't use 4x4 90% of the time. It's usually on dry level pavement. Rain, you need decent tires 4x4 or not. We get a handfull of big enough snows where it might help a bit, by the next day most of the big streets are just wet. Again how's the tires? Ice? Stay home. That pretty much takes care of your off roading needs.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:09:35 AM EDT
[#13]
Here come subnet with stories of summiting Everest in his Miata with snow tires.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:10:13 AM EDT
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IIRC, "Great Living in Grubby Times" states that a 2WD pickup with a locking diff is equal to, or better than 4WD. I'll stick with what I know to work, TYVM. It's sort of like the "one is none, two is one" thing. Just multiply by 2. The fallacy of that statement is that many 4x4s have locking diffs as well and are better than the 2x4 with locking diff. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:10:31 AM EDT
[#15]
Own both. You just CANNOT STOP IN THE SHIT with a 2wd.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:10:36 AM EDT
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rear wheel drive is most fun in snow
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:10:48 AM EDT
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Because they can't afford 4wd so they try to justify their 2wd's meaningless existence. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Why is there always some 'tard who insists that 2WD>4WD? Because they can't afford 4wd so they try to justify their 2wd's meaningless existence. And they never saw someone get stuck on a boat ramp with the back wheels slimed, engage 4w, and pull away no problem. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:11:16 AM EDT
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My truck is 4X4. With that said I have always been told the only thing a 4X4 will do is get you stuck futher in the woods. Thats why you stick to driving it in 2wd mode... Then when you get stuck, you switch it on over and can get yourself unstuck. Always have room to expand! |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:11:36 AM EDT
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most cars are one wheel drive
I will take 3 wheel drive please aka 4wd with limited slip |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:12:49 AM EDT
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I had a 69 chevy 3/4 ton truck.
manual 4 speed with compound low. In the winter, I took it places that most 4WD trucks couldn't go. During the snowy times it comes down mostly weight, how that weight is distributed, and the driver. Mud and stuff, I dunno. Never chanced it. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:12:49 AM EDT
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Because they feel ridiculously stupid after doing a seventeen minute burnout on ice and snow to get going from a stop light while everybody behind them beeps their horns and yells "Jackass!"
They eventually make it home and beef themselves up by mumbling "...huh...don't need four wheel drive. Jackass, huh? Fuck you. You're the Jackass!" And then they try to get open a package of Hot Pockets to put in the microwave, but their hands are trembling and they can't even bear to look out the kitchen window at all the snow coming down. And then by the middle of April, they're talking shit about not needing four weel drive. But by the middle of September they get quiet and start reading the Farmer's Almanac while eating Hot Pockets and surfing the internet looking at Toyota trucks. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:13:35 AM EDT
[#22]
Same with those who say their Delton Ar15 > LaRue Tactical Ar15
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:14:32 AM EDT
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4WD with a winch, FTW.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:16:52 AM EDT
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Because they feel ridiculously stupid after doing a seventeen minute burnout on ice and snow to get going from a stop light while everybody behind them beeps their horns and yells "Jackass!" They eventually make it home and beef themselves up by mumbling "...huh...don't need four wheel drive. Jackass, huh? Fuck you. You're the Jackass!" And then they try to get open a package of Hot Pockets to put in the microwave, but their hands are trembling and they can't even bear to look out the kitchen window at all the snow coming down. And then by the middle of April, they're talking shit about not needing four weel drive. But by the middle of September they get quiet and start reading the Farmer's Almanac while eating Hot Pockets and surfing the internet looking at Toyota trucks. And then they move to Florida and fuck up my world. More 4WD=Less Assholes moving to FL! 4WD FOR EVERYONE |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:20:11 AM EDT
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All I can say is 76 Chevy 454 pickup, made 425 HP on the dyno, 4:10 gears used in 15 BUFFALO winters including the Blizzard of 77 never had to be towed or pushed out of a snowbank, learn how to drive and 2wd is fine , all of the NYSDOT pickups are 2wd and they don't have a problem either.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:21:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: most cars are one wheel drive I will take 3 wheel drive please aka 4wd with limited slip |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:23:44 AM EDT
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My truck is 4X4. With that said I have always been told the only thing a 4X4 will do is get you stuck futher in the woods. my rule is to use 2WD going in, and 4WD if I get gummed up trying to get out. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:27:22 AM EDT
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Seems like it never fails. Start talking about 4WD pickups, SUVs, Jeeps, etc and some fool interjects with how his 2WD whatever is just as good, does just as well in snow and ice, tows as well or better, etc. Along with the usual refrain that they "just know how to drive". I'm thinking that these people have never driven through more than a couple of inches of snow, on truly mountainous roads, a muddy field or along a soft, sandy beach. Ignorance is bliss. Oh well, I suppose has some mild comedic value. I have a guy like that at work. The day he called me to pull him out of the ditch in his driveway was one of the best days of my life. He was all like"My driveway is really icy I don't know if you will make it up" I drove up it picked him up then backed down it. As I was backing down it he is freaking out about me sliding and hitting his car, my response was to hit the brakes hard while wolf staring him in the eyes and saying "Bitch I have 4WD and Snow tires" Stopped so hard his head smacked head rest. Fuck it was awesome. I still give him shit about it. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:30:58 AM EDT
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All I can say is 76 Chevy 454 pickup, made 425 HP on the dyno, 4:10 gears used in 15 BUFFALO winters including the Blizzard of 77 never had to be towed or pushed out of a snowbank, learn how to drive and 2wd is fine , all of the NYSDOT pickups are 2wd and they don't have a problem either. Hard to get stuck idling on a thruway turn around fast asleep
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:32:13 AM EDT
[#30]
For me 2WD is MUCH better than 4WD. I would not own anything with 4WD because knowing me like I do, I would end up stuck somewhere much more inaccessible.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:32:36 AM EDT
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All I can say is 76 Chevy 454 pickup, made 425 HP on the dyno, 4:10 gears used in 15 BUFFALO winters including the Blizzard of 77 never had to be towed or pushed out of a snowbank, learn how to drive and 2wd is fine , all of the NYSDOT pickups are 2wd and they don't have a problem either. They also don't have to pay for the wrecker, or for the totaled car when they flip that bitch. You do. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:33:07 AM EDT
[#32]
Neckbeard: "I hada 2 wheel drive __________ and it would go anywhere a 4wd would go" *spit*
I've seen the type. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:33:46 AM EDT
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Nope, google how differentials work. I can't explain things that good or I would. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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most cars are one wheel drive I will take 3 wheel drive please aka 4wd with limited slip The long spinny thing turns some gears to be more correct I should state open diff = 0 wheel drive if one wheel is in traction where as limited slip = 1 wheel drive on the wheel with traction ... happier technically speaking you are correct .. practically speaking an open diff 2wd in a unequal traction will be 0 wheel drive and spin 1 wheel 
I digress |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:34:24 AM EDT
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Here come subnet with stories of summiting Everest in his Miata with snow tires. I've seen him bury is 4x4 Jeep more than once. 
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:34:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All I can say is 76 Chevy 454 pickup, made 425 HP on the dyno, 4:10 gears used in 15 BUFFALO winters including the Blizzard of 77 never had to be towed or pushed out of a snowbank, learn how to drive and 2wd is fine , all of the NYSDOT pickups are 2wd and they don't have a problem either. Don't confuse imagined capability with simple frugality. NYSDOT buys how many pickups? You can buy a hell of a lot more 2wd trucks than 4wd. Same thing with police Tahoes - how many of them are 4wd? Agencies just aren't willing to pay extra for 4WD. Yes, 95% of the time it's not necessary, so they're just playing the odds. Blizzaks on a 2WD vehicle, especially with some sandbags in back, make for a very good snow vehicle. That being said, I'll take my 4X4 with locking rear diff. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:37:22 AM EDT
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Don't confuse imagined capability with simple frugality. NYSDOT buys how many pickups? You can buy a hell of a lot more 2wd trucks than 4wd. Same thing with police Tahoes - how many of them are 4wd? Agencies just aren't willing to pay extra for 4WD. Yes, 95% of the time it's not necessary, so they're just playing the odds. Blizzaks on a 2WD vehicle, especially with some sandbags in back, make for a very good snow vehicle. That being said, I'll take my 4X4 with locking rear diff. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All I can say is 76 Chevy 454 pickup, made 425 HP on the dyno, 4:10 gears used in 15 BUFFALO winters including the Blizzard of 77 never had to be towed or pushed out of a snowbank, learn how to drive and 2wd is fine , all of the NYSDOT pickups are 2wd and they don't have a problem either. Don't confuse imagined capability with simple frugality. NYSDOT buys how many pickups? You can buy a hell of a lot more 2wd trucks than 4wd. Same thing with police Tahoes - how many of them are 4wd? Agencies just aren't willing to pay extra for 4WD. Yes, 95% of the time it's not necessary, so they're just playing the odds. Blizzaks on a 2WD vehicle, especially with some sandbags in back, make for a very good snow vehicle. That being said, I'll take my 4X4 with locking rear diff. Most county sheriffs here run ALL 4wd fleets at least in the hills 
It's weird when in the city looking for chargers and ppv's instead of tahoes / expeditions
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:38:53 AM EDT
[#37]
I would rather have a 2WD pickup with locking rear end, and a winch, which is what I have.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:41:13 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The long spinny thing turns some gears to be more correct I should state open diff = 0 wheel drive if one wheel is in traction where as limited slip = 1 wheel drive on the wheel with traction ... happier technically speaking you are correct .. practically speaking an open diff 2wd in a unequal traction will be 0 wheel drive and spin 1 wheel I digress Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: most cars are one wheel drive I will take 3 wheel drive please aka 4wd with limited slip The long spinny thing turns some gears to be more correct I should state open diff = 0 wheel drive if one wheel is in traction where as limited slip = 1 wheel drive on the wheel with traction ... happier technically speaking you are correct .. practically speaking an open diff 2wd in a unequal traction will be 0 wheel drive and spin 1 wheel I digress |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:41:15 AM EDT
[#39]
Good tires and LSD 2wd > crap tires and open diff 4wd from what I've seen.
I've also seen light 2wd trucks float over stuff heavy 4wd trucks sink in. It all depends on the purpose I suppose. If a person assumes everything should be able to rock crawl or mud bog, then yea a 2wd desert pre-runner isn't going sound better than having 4wd. Of course, everyone knows Tracks>6wd>4wd.  |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:42:23 AM EDT
[#40]
Most of these newer, bigger half tons seem to be terrible in 2wd on snow. You almost have to put it in 4x4. My older 2wd pickup does alot better.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:43:05 AM EDT
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I have literally never heard someone say this in my life. Maybe because I live in NH and we actually need 4WD on occasion. Me neither. I'm in CO & 4wd is very popular. Before everybody had to have an "SUV" Audi & Subaru were very over represented here. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:46:18 AM EDT
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Good tires and LSD 2wd > crap tires and open diff 4wd from what I've seen. I've also seen light 2wd trucks float over stuff heavy 4wd trucks sink in. It all depends on the purpose I suppose. If a person assumes everything should be able to rock crawl or mud bog, then yea a 2wd desert pre-runner isn't going sound better than having 4wd. Of course, everyone knows Tracks>chains>6wd>4wd.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:46:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most of these newer, bigger half tons seem to be terrible in 2wd on snow. You almost have to put it in 4x4. My older 2wd pickup does alot better.  Especially after getting a LSD stuffed in the re-geared diff. Went through all sorts of W Wa winters never used chains. Just zipped right along. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:46:44 AM EDT
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I live on a farm and use 4wd often here and while hunting. 2wd doesn't cut it here.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:52:48 AM EDT
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most cars are one wheel drive I will take 3 wheel drive please aka 4wd with limited slip My 2wd RWD daily driver has limited slip and my 4x4 has triple-lockers. All my drive-wheels put down 'teh power'.
Open diffs are for pantywaists. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:53:07 AM EDT
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Having driven a variety of vehicles in various off road conditions all over the world IMHO tires followed by LSD/ locking rear end of some form have always been preferable to 4wd...
4wd of course WITH those things is the cats ass. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:53:16 AM EDT
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My jeep does both. One time I had to come home in my Jeep with FWD... busted rear driveshaft |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:54:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My 2wd RWD daily driver has limited slip and my 4x4 has triple-lockers. All my drive-wheels put down 'teh power'. Open diffs are for pantywaists. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: most cars are one wheel drive I will take 3 wheel drive please aka 4wd with limited slip My 2wd RWD daily driver has limited slip and my 4x4 has triple-lockers. All my drive-wheels put down 'teh power'. Open diffs are for pantywaists. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:55:45 AM EDT
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For the same reason there is always some 'tard that insist 4WD>AWD.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:57:46 AM EDT
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I have owned one 4x4 that was open in both axles. Get one tire with little traction in the front and another in the back and it sat there spinning. I have owned a 2wd with a really good limited slip in it that I liked better than the 4x4 I just mentioned.
And at the same time that 4x4 just needed some parts put into the axles, I sold it before I got around to messing with it. I have seen people take their 2wd whatever places I won't take my 4x4. Sometimes they made it and sometimes they did not. Having a vehicle to start is important. Good tires help a lot. Traction aids in the differential and transfer case if needed are also nice as well. Having a 4x4 with the ability to fully lock everything is nothing short of amazing. If that is what you want. My current 4x4 has a limited slip in the back and an open front. In 2wd it spun a lot during a snow/ice storm. Well, it spun a lot taking off from stop signs. Put it in 4x4 and away it went. Part of the spinning was the old tires on it. |
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