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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:06:58 AM EDT
An independent panel appointed by the Pentagon and Congress said Thursday that President Obama’s strategy for sizing the armed services is too weak for today’s global threats. The National Defense Panel called on the president to dump a major section of his 2014 Quadrennial Defense Review (QDR) and write a broader strategy that requires the military to fight on multiple fronts at once. The panel knocks Mr. Obama’s QDR for reducing the military’s global mission from being able to defeat two enemies nearly simultaneously to defeating one and denying the objectives of a second. The report calls on Mr. Obama to expand this overriding mission statement. “The international security environment has deteriorated since then,” the report said of the QDR, which was released earlier this year. “In the current threat environment, America could plausibly be called upon to deter or fight in any number of regions in overlapping time frames.” http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/31/obama-military-strategy-too-weak-future-security-p/ |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:08:11 AM EDT
[#1]
And yet he rolls on......
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:16:26 AM EDT
[#2]
that's not a bug. It's a feature.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:17:03 AM EDT
[#3]
How many multiples of the rest of the world's military spending is reasonable?
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:18:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:19:19 AM EDT
[#5]
No way really?!?!
 
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:19:38 AM EDT
[#6]
He doesn't care.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:20:20 AM EDT
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Just remember guys, the last time a multipolar world existed was just before World War 1.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:21:38 AM EDT
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How many multiples of the rest of the world's military spending is reasonable? how much were we spending when 9/11 happened? we lost 3000 people that day. you want to spend less and think we will have better protection? |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:21:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many multiples of the rest of the world's military spending is reasonable? |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:21:56 AM EDT
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So what? Does the rest of the world pay us to maintain security? We barely have domestic stability, let alone global.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:23:03 AM EDT
[#11]
The messiah don't have time for that military shit.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:23:24 AM EDT
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....all while we are being invaded via our southern border
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:24:14 AM EDT
[#13]
Where else is going to get money to finance the all the illegals he's ramming down the throat of the American citizenry?
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:24:25 AM EDT
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Might as well be. The American public is too weak to respond to global threats, so even if we had the military power we'd still call them home before the job was done.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:24:38 AM EDT
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that's not a bug. It's a feature. Yep. All according to The Plan. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:25:01 AM EDT
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Maybe one day other countries will discover the value of a well regulated militia.
Fuck em. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:27:53 AM EDT
[#17]
We don't need to play world police with our military. With that we don't need to scale it down to nothing either.
Lets protect our lands, the trade routes, and any country that asks for our help and call it good. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:30:18 AM EDT
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We don't need to play world police with our military. With that we don't need to scale it down to nothing either. Lets protect our lands, the GLOBAL trade routes, and any country that asks for our help and call it good. Fixt... so, nothing should change much, then.... I often chuckle at the thought of what our oceans and trade would look like if it weren't for our global maritime presence.... |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:30:25 AM EDT
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Oh BS. We don't need to spend as much on our military as the next 7+ countries combined. This article is just propaganda for the MIC.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:31:49 AM EDT
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Americans aren't interested in playing world police right now. See, e.g., the public's reaction to possible Syrian intervention.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:32:02 AM EDT
[#21]
Spending money on the .mil doesn't mean shit if you don't allow the .mil to actually win a conflict.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:32:53 AM EDT
[#22]
Reduce the effective size of the military while funding retarded things like the F35, awesome.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:34:07 AM EDT
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How many multiples of the rest of the world's military spending is reasonable? 1) What other countries spend doesn't matter. 2) Before you pull out a retarded China comparison, you'd better be prepared to evaluate actual purchase power/price in the context of state run & subsidized vendors, as well as acquisition cost. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:34:36 AM EDT
[#24]
Oh someone is always yelling it is a conspiracy. (sarcasm intended)
Does anyone else have the feeling this nation is f**ked because of Obama and it was done on purpose? 
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:35:50 AM EDT
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Might have been a good idea to perform a study on the effects of reducing assets and personnel before actually doing so....
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:35:53 AM EDT
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Oh someone is always yelling it is a conspiracy. (sarcasm intended) Does anyone else have the feeling this nation is f**ked because of Obama and it was done on purpose? No he's just incompetent on a 'jimmy carter' level and doing what the people who elected him want. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:51:03 AM EDT
[#27]
That was the fuckin' point.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:56:28 AM EDT
[#28]
They wanna focus on the US populace anyway. We're the biggest threat tot he United States now or rather their power.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:57:06 AM EDT
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How many multiples of the rest of the world's military spending is reasonable? It's not about dollars, it's about men. You don't have enough fighting men any more. 32 Brigade Combat Teams is not enough. And the dollars you are spending are mostly on stupid whiz bang bullshit that gets shitcanned and cancelled after most of the money is already spent. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:01:14 AM EDT
[#30]
It's all going according to his plan.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:01:17 AM EDT
[#31]
This ones on him!
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:02:37 AM EDT
[#32]
Nuthin, like reducing one's self to a turd world power voluntarily.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:03:25 AM EDT
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This ones on him! Fuck dat, it still Bush's fault. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:06:32 AM EDT
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It's all going according to his plan. This |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:12:48 AM EDT
[#35]
I can't tell is this the Hope or the Change we were promised???
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:18:01 AM EDT
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He doesn't care. actually, I think he does. he is purposely weakening this country for a good reason, in his own mind what about the firings of all the top generals he is doing? |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:19:33 AM EDT
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Might as well be. The American public economy is too weak to respond to global threats, so even if we had the military power we'd still call them home before the job was done. FIFY. We can no longer afford to be world police and we should never have tried, as it has contributed to our downfall. This is a difficult realization, but it will be very evident when interest rates go up, or when they are held down and severe inflation comes to fruition. A powerful military can't defy economics. Our economy can't support millions of useless people at home and abroad. The productive class is stretched too thin. Anybody who is eager to #saveourgirls or help rebuild Afghanistan can certainly cash in their 401k and do it themselves, instead of having taxpayers foot the bill. Very few of you would support all these military adventures if the government billed you for them in an honest fashion. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:20:31 AM EDT
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It's all going according to his plan. This. Obama is an unabashed global socialist. The wealth and the power of the U.S. must be reduced, Power shifted to other nations that are hostile to the U.S., and the wealth distributed third world nations. It has been his agenda from day one, and like most academic politicians, has no issue with the domestic consequences of thier global social justice. He's right on track. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:21:41 AM EDT
[#39]
My battalion will cease to exist in about 60 days.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:23:01 AM EDT
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So what? Does the rest of the world pay us to maintain security? We barely have domestic stability, let alone global. strangely enough there is a correlation between the two |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:23:48 AM EDT
[#41]
That's okay with me. Let's maybe try to counter domestic threats instead.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:26:11 AM EDT
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So what? Does the rest of the world pay us to maintain security? We barely have domestic stability, let alone global. yes they do, it's called using the $ as their reserve. it allows us to print them at will to pay for the fsa |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:26:12 AM EDT
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Might have been a good idea to perform a study on the effects of reducing assets and personnel before actually doing so.... the personel that would actually be useful for a peer to peer or peer top near peer fight are being actively cut or soured at an alarming rate it almost seems that there is a strategy to leave the mil weaker as opposed to stronger by the selective cuts, warriors are once again being replaced by administrators whenever possible |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:26:45 AM EDT
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Sounds like the solution is to let our allies that fail to properly fund their own militaries to step up.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:32:26 AM EDT
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FIFY. We can no longer afford to be world police and we should never have tried, as it has contributed to our downfall. This is a difficult realization, but it will be very evident when interest rates go up, or when they are held down and severe inflation comes to fruition. A powerful military can't defy economics. Our economy can't support millions of useless people at home and abroad. The productive class is stretched too thin. Anybody who is eager to #saveourgirls or help rebuild Afghanistan can certainly cash in their 401k and do it themselves, instead of having taxpayers foot the bill. Very few of you would support all these military adventures if the government billed you for them in an honest fashion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Might as well be. The American public economy is too weak to respond to global threats, so even if we had the military power we'd still call them home before the job was done. FIFY. We can no longer afford to be world police and we should never have tried, as it has contributed to our downfall. This is a difficult realization, but it will be very evident when interest rates go up, or when they are held down and severe inflation comes to fruition. A powerful military can't defy economics. Our economy can't support millions of useless people at home and abroad. The productive class is stretched too thin. Anybody who is eager to #saveourgirls or help rebuild Afghanistan can certainly cash in their 401k and do it themselves, instead of having taxpayers foot the bill. Very few of you would support all these military adventures if the government billed you for them in an honest fashion. being world police has nothing to do with rebuilding a-stan the actual act of "being world" police would and should be removing threats to our security and protecting trade routes the act of stepping in to stop atrocities before they happen is very much in line with our ideals as americans, but could be accomplished in much less expensive ways than is being currently done the other advantage to acting as "world police" is that in a enviroment lacking actual wars, it allows combat troops, and their supporting services to hone actual warfighting abilities, and excercise and continually improve the warfighting abilities of the units involved |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:40:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:41:30 AM EDT
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That's okay with me. Let's maybe try to counter domestic threats instead.  Not going to happen in Obama's America
Instead we get a weakened military and more entitlement spending and masses of illegals across the border that we invite in with open arms which we will pay to be taken care of |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:42:09 AM EDT
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Yep. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:43:44 AM EDT
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being world police has nothing to do with rebuilding a-stan the actual act of "being world" police would and should be removing threats to our security and protecting trade routes the act of stepping in to stop atrocities before they happen is very much in line with our ideals as americans, but could be accomplished in much less expensive ways than is being currently done the other advantage to acting as "world police" is that in a enviroment lacking actual wars, it allows combat troops, and their supporting services to hone actual warfighting abilities, and excercise and continually improve the warfighting abilities of the units involved Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Might as well be. The American public economy is too weak to respond to global threats, so even if we had the military power we'd still call them home before the job was done. FIFY. We can no longer afford to be world police and we should never have tried, as it has contributed to our downfall. This is a difficult realization, but it will be very evident when interest rates go up, or when they are held down and severe inflation comes to fruition. A powerful military can't defy economics. Our economy can't support millions of useless people at home and abroad. The productive class is stretched too thin. Anybody who is eager to #saveourgirls or help rebuild Afghanistan can certainly cash in their 401k and do it themselves, instead of having taxpayers foot the bill. Very few of you would support all these military adventures if the government billed you for them in an honest fashion. being world police has nothing to do with rebuilding a-stan the actual act of "being world" police would and should be removing threats to our security and protecting trade routes the act of stepping in to stop atrocities before they happen is very much in line with our ideals as americans, but could be accomplished in much less expensive ways than is being currently done the other advantage to acting as "world police" is that in a enviroment lacking actual wars, it allows combat troops, and their supporting services to hone actual warfighting abilities, and excercise and continually improve the warfighting abilities of the units involved Agreed with protecting trade routes, disagree with stopping foreign atrocities before they happen. The government is not capable of centrally planning anything, much less foreign policy. I find it very hard to believe that they are capable of creating a favorable environment for anything, as evident by what has happened to Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran as a result of our involvement. If we try to get involved in every atrocity, we will find ourselves fighting ceaseless battles everywhere. We should respond to threats and protect trade and by that, I mean kill people that fuck with cargo ships, not subverting countries that don't want to trade with us. And I find it funny that we are spending all this money "protecting trade" while our own government is doing everything it can to make the US a horrible place to do business with, by imposing heaps of onerous regulations and taxing everything through the nose. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:44:09 AM EDT
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That's a stupid way of thinking about our military spending. It's not like the rest of the world is achieving the same capabilities at a fraction of our costs. I bet we get far superior capability per dollar than any of our allies. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How many multiples of the rest of the world's military spending is reasonable? I doubt we get far superior capability per dollar than any of our allies. Overall we have greater capability, but there is an insane amount of waste in our defense contracting. |
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