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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:57:27 AM EDT
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You mean the ones they recalled and said "Don't drive it, we'll send a tow truck for it." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hopefully it doesn't grenade itself like my co-workers did.  Get yourself a God damned Chevrolet Silverado. Silverado's are made from Chuck Norris movies, big dicks, and real tornadoesYou mean the ones they recalled and said "Don't drive it, we'll send a tow truck for it." Nope mine hasn't been recalled. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:58:12 AM EDT
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Yeah, just got rid of one. Biggest POS ever. Back in a V8 Ford. Never will I stray again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hopefully it doesn't grenade itself like my co-workers did. Get yourself a God damned Chevrolet Silverado. Silverado's are made from Chuck Norris movies, big dicks, and real tornadoesYeah, just got rid of one. Biggest POS ever. Back in a V8 Ford. Never will I stray again. Bullshit. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:00:21 AM EDT
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I love these threads.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:02:07 AM EDT
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GM is the only ones currently not making Meheecan trucks, it was part of the bailout deal (the Silao plant). Open the door and look for the Indiana state sticker, if you don't see it, moveon.org. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hopefully it doesn't grenade itself like my co-workers did. Get yourself a God damned Chevrolet Silverado. Silverado's are made from Chuck Norris movies, big dicks, and real tornadoesSlopped together by fat, drunk UAW members from parts sourced by the Mob, funding the DNC and the Mexican government. 
GM is the only ones currently not making Meheecan trucks, it was part of the bailout deal (the Silao plant). Open the door and look for the Indiana state sticker, if you don't see it, moveon.org. Our 2014 2500HD and 2500 Suburban were both made in Arlington, Texas! |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:12:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm only aware of it affecting the 3.5 engine. Supposedly the issue was remedied for 2013, but apparently not. Post above is correct that the prevailing theory is water ingested through the inter cooler. Funny thing is I was on the way home from looking at a Tundra because of transmission issues ford won't acknowledge. Not sure what to do with it. Definitely won't be keeping past the warranty period. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's the specific issue? Do you have a link to more information about that particular defect? I just wonder if it only affects the V6 or whatever it is could potentially affect my wifes 1.6? I'm only aware of it affecting the 3.5 engine. Supposedly the issue was remedied for 2013, but apparently not. Post above is correct that the prevailing theory is water ingested through the inter cooler. Funny thing is I was on the way home from looking at a Tundra because of transmission issues ford won't acknowledge. Not sure what to do with it. Definitely won't be keeping past the warranty period. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:18:17 AM EDT
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Nope mine hasn't been recalled. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hopefully it doesn't grenade itself like my co-workers did. Get yourself a God damned Chevrolet Silverado. Silverado's are made from Chuck Norris movies, big dicks, and real tornadoesYou mean the ones they recalled and said "Don't drive it, we'll send a tow truck for it." Nope mine hasn't been recalled. No recalls? Not that I really care. To each their own but to pretend that Chevy's are bulletproof is hilarious. I had an '11 Ecoboost and now have a '14. Mine ran/run fine. YMMV. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:22:21 AM EDT
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That's why I went with the 5.0 Me too. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:24:34 AM EDT
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Good thing Ford doesn't make aircraft engines.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:30:51 AM EDT
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I'm here just to say I traded my 370rwhp F150 Lightning for a Chevy Silverado. Didn't trust the Ecoboosts and didn't want to feed a 6.2L.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:36:13 AM EDT
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Everybody knows that the best thing you can do for a turbocharged vehicle with a MAF is to induce a boost leak, and an opportunity to pull in un-metered air.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's an issue on a bunch of turbo charged vehicles. Both the Duramax, as well as the TDI VW's have suffered from the same water buildup in the intercoolers. You will notice that all the threads started for this issue are from people who live in high humidity climates. Your choices are to move to a less damp state, Put a better intercooler in it (Full race or the likes) the stock one sucks for guys in "Moist" states. Drill a small hole in the bottom of the intercooler Install a catch can that intercepts both sides of the PCV. ETA: This is an intercooler issue, not an Eco-boost issue. If you were to turbo the newer 5.0, and put the same CAC on it as the 3.5, you would have the same issue. Ford needs to address the CAC for the guys in climates were the condensation takes place. It realy sucks for some folks, because all the guys who live in the dry climates are loving these trucks!!! 
Same issue with the VW's TSB updated January 8, 2013: TSB # 21 12 01 / 2025464 Frozen Air Charge Cooler For those who are unaware of the TDI Intercooler Issue, here is a synopsis. There is a serious safety and engineering defect with all North American MK VI generation TDI Jetta, TDI Jetta Station Wagon, and TDI Golf cars. TDI Passats are not affected by this. Other parts of the world are not experiencing this issue due to differences in emissions controls. VW has issued TSB # 21 11 06 / 2025464 Frozen Air Charge Cooler for it. All CR 2.0L TDI engines for the above mentioned cars are prone to engine failure, destruction and engine compartment fire due to water condensing in the intercooler during cold winter weather. Water vapour is entering the intercooler airstream and condensing into significant volumes of liquid water. The accumulated water then enters the engine cylinder causing a catastrophic hydrolocking condition resulting in engine failure. Some owners, not aware of why the engine won't start, continue to run the starter motor in attempt to start the car which results in overheating of the starter cable. The overheated starter cable causes the cable insulation to melt, smoke and catch fire. so drilling a hole in a container that is meant to contain positive pressure is a good idea now?  It gives the accumulated moisture an exit point that instead through your engine. It is not uncommon.  I had a nice long post typed out explaining the why nots of all of this, but decided to not waste the knowledge.Everybody knows that the best thing you can do for a turbocharged vehicle with a MAF is to induce a boost leak, and an opportunity to pull in un-metered air. It doesn't have a MAF |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:38:47 AM EDT
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Surely you're kidding? In parts you're maybe looking at $200 for OEM stuff. There are easy ways to remove the plugs without having to extract them. With the engine slightly warm, use penetrating oil and let it seep in. Break them loose with 1/4 or less of a turn. Spray more penetrating oil. Then have a go with the impact. They will break, but not fall in. Every Ford tech should know how to do that. It's the same from 04-08 on F150s and 05-08 Mustangs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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great. Went from blowing spark plugs through the hood to carbon seizing spark plugs to the block, now this..  Yup. Just paid $857 for a spark plug and coil pack change. ETA: they broke four off in the bock and had to extract them with their special 2004-2006 F150 5.4L Spark Plug remover.  Surely you're kidding? In parts you're maybe looking at $200 for OEM stuff. There are easy ways to remove the plugs without having to extract them. With the engine slightly warm, use penetrating oil and let it seep in. Break them loose with 1/4 or less of a turn. Spray more penetrating oil. Then have a go with the impact. They will break, but not fall in. Every Ford tech should know how to do that. It's the same from 04-08 on F150s and 05-08 Mustangs. And one more suggestion---don't use OEM Motorcraft plugs as replacements. Their two-piece outer shell construction is what causes the plugs to break off in the spark plug holes. The NGK or other aftermarket plugs are made with one-piece outer bodies that eliminate this issue. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:42:15 AM EDT
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Quote Historyso drilling a hole in a container that is meant to contain positive pressure is a good idea now? Quote Historyso drilling a hole in a container that is meant to contain positive pressure is a good idea now? Everybody knows that the best thing you can do for a turbocharged vehicle with a MAF is to induce a boost leak, and an opportunity to pull in un-metered air. The DERP here is massive. A SMALL (0.050") hole will not allow significant air to enter unmetered. It certainly won't happen when in the boost phase!! |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:10:30 AM EDT
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I think Ford is pushing the envelope a little too far with an engine that tiny in a pickup. If you're getting a 2015 F150, get either the 3.5 or 5.0. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've been looking at the new 2.7L V-6 Twin Turbocharged Ecoboost. I wonder what unhappy wonders might come of that. I think Ford is pushing the envelope a little too far with an engine that tiny in a pickup. If you're getting a 2015 F150, get either the 3.5 or 5.0. the numbers show it actually being 15% stronger than the standard 5.0L V8 at about 20 HP less of an engine. In terms of towing it seems to do just fine. I dunno I'll be on the fence about it. Looking at a 2015 Ford Lariat or the GMC Sierra sometime at the end of this year or early next year. Leaning heavily on the Ford Lariat. Wanted the standard V8 but if this 2.7L V6 is as good as they say I might go that route. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:15:33 AM EDT
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The DERP here is massive. A SMALL (0.050") hole will not allow significant air to enter unmetered. It certainly won't happen when in the boost phase!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
so drilling a hole in a container that is meant to contain positive pressure is a good idea now? Everybody knows that the best thing you can do for a turbocharged vehicle with a MAF is to induce a boost leak, and an opportunity to pull in un-metered air. The DERP here is massive. A SMALL (0.050") hole will not allow significant air to enter unmetered. It certainly won't happen when in the boost phase!! you HERPED. lets introduce a boost leak... |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:17:31 AM EDT
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Hopefully it doesn't grenade itself like my co-workers did. Get yourself a God damned Chevrolet Silverado. Silverado's are made from Chuck Norris movies, big dicks, and real tornadoesYeah, just got rid of one. Biggest POS ever. Back in a V8 Ford. Never will I stray again. Bullshit. Call it what you will. I call it relieved. Relieved that my 2013 Silverado is LONG GONE,!!!!!! |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:19:40 AM EDT
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I really wanted these Eco Boost trucks to be the cats meow and had considered buying one once they became proven. I have a bad feeling these things are going to turn into Fords next 6.0L diesel fiasco
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:22:09 AM EDT
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Has it been to the dealer for a reflash? There is a computer update that is supposed to help with this. If You don't get it fixed the miss will take out the cat converter. Huh When the engine misfires, it's dumping raw fuel into the exhaust. That fuel then burns in the catalytic converter causing the honeycomb material inside to melt. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:26:13 AM EDT
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According to the NHTSA as I posted earlier the Ecoboost problem has been solved as of 2013
I posted this earlier in the thread http://www.autoblog.com/2014/04/14/nhtsa-closes-ford-f-150-ecoboost-acceleration-probe-report/ Typically when we report on the findings of an investigation from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, it's because the government body has discovered a safety issue and prescribed a recall. In this case, however, NHTSA has closed an investigation into a reported performance deficit without ever getting to the recall stage. The issue revolves around the Ford F-150 – specifically those equipped with the 3.5-liter EcoBoost engine – of which some 360,000 were built in the 2011, 2012 and 2013 model years. After receiving an initial 95 complaints, NHTSA opened an investigation last May – almost a year ago – into the reported issue of reduced engine power under hard acceleration. The agency has since received a total of 525 such complaints, and Ford itself reported receiving over 4,000. Together, NHTSA and Ford determined that the problem resulted from cylinders misfiring, an issue itself stemming from water getting into the charge air cooler (CAC) mated to the turbochargers. In particularly humid or rainy conditions, water was found to get into the CAC, causing some of the cylinders to misfire, which in turn triggered the ECU to disable those cylinders in order to protect the catalytic converter from damage. Ford conducted its own testing and, rather than issue a recall, published a series of technical service bulletins prompting dealers to install deflect shields onto the CAC in the vehicles in question, solving the problem to 95-percent effectiveness in 2011-12 models and 100 percent in 2013 models. Apparently satisfied that Ford had resolved the issue, NHTSA has closed the file on this particular case. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:29:53 AM EDT
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Isnt that exactly the same thing that happened to that one guy who had like 2 engines and a long block installed and it still ran like shit? Cant find the link That thread here and on the Ford forum pretty much turned me off of Ford Trucks. Even non ecobust engines. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:32:54 AM EDT
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That thread here and on the Ford forum pretty much turned me off of Ford Trucks. Even non ecobust engines. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isnt that exactly the same thing that happened to that one guy who had like 2 engines and a long block installed and it still ran like shit? Cant find the link That thread here and on the Ford forum pretty much turned me off of Ford Trucks. Even non ecobust engines. IIRC, that thread got nuked when someone involved didn't like the direction it had taken and spammed it with gay porn. 
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:40:01 AM EDT
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so drilling a hole in a container that is meant to contain positive pressure is a good idea now? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's an issue on a bunch of turbo charged vehicles. Both the Duramax, as well as the TDI VW's have suffered from the same water buildup in the intercoolers. You will notice that all the threads started for this issue are from people who live in high humidity climates. Your choices are to move to a less damp state, Put a better intercooler in it (Full race or the likes) the stock one sucks for guys in "Moist" states. Drill a small hole in the bottom of the intercooler Install a catch can that intercepts both sides of the PCV. ETA: This is an intercooler issue, not an Eco-boost issue. If you were to turbo the newer 5.0, and put the same CAC on it as the 3.5, you would have the same issue. Ford needs to address the CAC for the guys in climates were the condensation takes place. It realy sucks for some folks, because all the guys who live in the dry climates are loving these trucks!!!
Same issue with the VW's TSB updated January 8, 2013: TSB # 21 12 01 / 2025464 Frozen Air Charge Cooler For those who are unaware of the TDI Intercooler Issue, here is a synopsis. There is a serious safety and engineering defect with all North American MK VI generation TDI Jetta, TDI Jetta Station Wagon, and TDI Golf cars. TDI Passats are not affected by this. Other parts of the world are not experiencing this issue due to differences in emissions controls. VW has issued TSB # 21 11 06 / 2025464 Frozen Air Charge Cooler for it. All CR 2.0L TDI engines for the above mentioned cars are prone to engine failure, destruction and engine compartment fire due to water condensing in the intercooler during cold winter weather. Water vapour is entering the intercooler airstream and condensing into significant volumes of liquid water. The accumulated water then enters the engine cylinder causing a catastrophic hydrolocking condition resulting in engine failure. Some owners, not aware of why the engine won't start, continue to run the starter motor in attempt to start the car which results in overheating of the starter cable. The overheated starter cable causes the cable insulation to melt, smoke and catch fire. so drilling a hole in a container that is meant to contain positive pressure is a good idea now? A sufficiently small hole will not cause any drop in boost. It'll just make the waste gate open a tiny bit later. Boost will also force the water out the tiny hole much better than gravity and a slightly bigger hole. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:41:00 AM EDT
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I have 18.8mpg in mixed driving over the past 2,800 miles. I have it floored from a stop at least 1X a day. I'm happy with the mileage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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An engine that's constantly in high pressure boost....what could possibly go wrong? Thanks EPA! My old company truck was an F150 with an Ecoburst motor. Our fleet was full of them. The motors seemed to hold up fine for typical truck owner use, but when pushed hard (Towing a trailer near max capacity up hilly terrain at interstate speeds) they started to have issues. I also got nowhere near the advertised fuel economy, even when babying the throttle. I have 18.8mpg in mixed driving over the past 2,800 miles. I have it floored from a stop at least 1X a day. I'm happy with the mileage. Mine was lucky to get that on the interstate at 75 mph cruise. Closer to 17 mpg. It had a little over 5k on the odometer. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:44:19 AM EDT
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A sufficiently small hole will not cause any drop in boost. It'll just make the waste gate open a tiny bit later. Boost will also force the water out the tiny hole much better than gravity and a slightly bigger hole. so how many guys have done this? Y'all can dance around and say the shit is harmless all you want, the fact still remains that it's a bullshit retarded solution to a bigger problem. Again, putting holes in something designed to hold pressure is DUMB! just because it's a tiny ass hole, doesn't make it any better of an idea |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:54:18 AM EDT
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I used to drive a boosted car. It's really humid here in the summer, 80% to 99% humidity. Never had issues with condensation in my intercooler.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:58:20 AM EDT
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We are suckers. This country and the world is absolutely awash in oil. So called global warming is a farce. Yet we have to put up with crap technological cures for non problems at significant cost to everyone who owns a car in this country.
Simple and reliable 300+ horsepower V8 engines are available right now but we are forced to result to silly gimmicks in the name of the pseudo religion of being eco friendly. SUCKERS! |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 10:02:40 AM EDT
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All true, except that the Taco is the only off-road worthy pickup on the market right now, and the only one that has a legitimate 4x4 aftermarket parts list that doesn't involve hillbilly spacer lifts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I called this Ecofag shit from the very beginning. Once again, DarkCharisma is right. Someday you fuckers will learn that when I say stuff, it's probably right 
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Time for a Tundra. You tried. Getchyosef a TACO.Yeah, if you need a weakling pickup that costs more than a fullsize and does half as much, get a Taco! All true, except that the Taco is the only off-road worthy pickup on the market right now, and the only one that has a legitimate 4x4 aftermarket parts list that doesn't involve hillbilly spacer lifts. Do you even Frontier, bro? |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 10:11:23 AM EDT
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We have 2 5.0 and 2 EB F150's at work. 5.0 F150's have between 30k-65k on the meter and they seem to see the shop more then the road. Sad thing is they look brand new just cant keep the check engine light off on both of them and one has a new motor due to cylinder melting. The EB F150's have been worked hard because they have had to take up the slack of the 5.0's being in the shop so often. Im not saying the EB's are better then the 5.0's but it made me buy one. I have an 2011 FX4 with almost 85k miles and it has had no issues. Drives smoother, pulls harder and gets better gas mileage. I traded my turd tundra in for it and have not looked back once. How the fuck do you manage to melt a jug on a naturally aspirated gas engine?
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Posted: 8/1/2014 10:11:26 AM EDT
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GM is the only ones currently not making Meheecan trucks, it was part of the bailout deal (the Silao plant). Open the door and look for the Indiana state sticker, if you don't see it, moveon.org. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hopefully it doesn't grenade itself like my co-workers did. Get yourself a God damned Chevrolet Silverado. Silverado's are made from Chuck Norris movies, big dicks, and real tornadoesSlopped together by fat, drunk UAW members from parts sourced by the Mob, funding the DNC and the Mexican government.
GM is the only ones currently not making Meheecan trucks, it was part of the bailout deal (the Silao plant). Open the door and look for the Indiana state sticker, if you don't see it, moveon.org. Some of us have an even better test. We look for 'Proudly made by the UAW!' Then we avoid that shit like the plague it is. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 10:13:48 AM EDT
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so how many guys have done this? Y'all can dance around and say the shit is harmless all you want, the fact still remains that it's a bullshit retarded solution to a bigger problem. Again, putting holes in something designed to hold pressure is DUMB! just because it's a tiny ass hole, doesn't make it any better of an idea Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A sufficiently small hole will not cause any drop in boost. It'll just make the waste gate open a tiny bit later. Boost will also force the water out the tiny hole much better than gravity and a slightly bigger hole. so how many guys have done this? Y'all can dance around and say the shit is harmless all you want, the fact still remains that it's a bullshit retarded solution to a bigger problem. Again, putting holes in something designed to hold pressure is DUMB! just because it's a tiny ass hole, doesn't make it any better of an idea @ 30psi, the volume of air that would flow through a 1/32" circular orifice to atmosphere is 0.633 CFM. orifice flow chart How much air volume is flowing through an Ecoboost V6 at peak Boost? 500-600 CFM maybe? (maybe more) 0.633 CFM isn't hurting anything. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 10:22:37 AM EDT
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@ 30psi, the volume of air that would flow through a 1/32" circular orifice to atmosphere is 0.633 CFM. orifice flow chart How much air volume is flowing through an Ecoboost V6 at peak Boost? 500-600 CFM maybe? (probably more than that) 0.633 CFM isn't hurting anything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A sufficiently small hole will not cause any drop in boost. It'll just make the waste gate open a tiny bit later. Boost will also force the water out the tiny hole much better than gravity and a slightly bigger hole. so how many guys have done this? Y'all can dance around and say the shit is harmless all you want, the fact still remains that it's a bullshit retarded solution to a bigger problem. Again, putting holes in something designed to hold pressure is DUMB! just because it's a tiny ass hole, doesn't make it any better of an idea @ 30psi, the volume of air that would flow through a 1/32" circular orifice to atmosphere is 0.633 CFM. orifice flow chart How much air volume is flowing through an Ecoboost V6 at peak Boost? 500-600 CFM maybe? (probably more than that) 0.633 CFM isn't hurting anything. by your calculations, the amount of condensation that will escape through the hole is not enough to affect the performance of the engine, either. It takes much more water ingested to make one stumble the way these trucks are. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 10:22:39 AM EDT
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We are suckers. This country and the world is absolutely awash in oil. So called global warming is a farce. Yet we have to put up with crap technological cures for non problems at significant cost to everyone who owns a car in this country. Simple and reliable 300+ horsepower V8 engines are available right now but we are forced to result to silly gimmicks in the name of the pseudo religion of being eco friendly. SUCKERS! Turbos are silly gimmicks? |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 10:27:49 AM EDT
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We have 2 5.0 and 2 EB F150's at work. 5.0 F150's have between 30k-65k on the meter and they seem to see the shop more then the road. Sad thing is they look brand new just cant keep the check engine light off on both of them and one has a new motor due to cylinder melting. The EB F150's have been worked hard because they have had to take up the slack of the 5.0's being in the shop so often. Im not saying the EB's are better then the 5.0's but it made me buy one. I have an 2011 FX4 with almost 85k miles and it has had no issues. Drives smoother, pulls harder and gets better gas mileage. I traded my turd tundra in for it and have not looked back once. How the fuck do you manage to melt a jug on a naturally aspirated gas engine? All I know is that it was replaced under warranty. It was #8 cylinder that went bad. Something to do with heat and a defect during casting that causes cylinder distortion. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 10:28:25 AM EDT
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It's not a secret. Push an engine harder and longevity goes down. I have said it again and again. A true truck needs a lower performing big engine. So you drive a truck with an old BB engine? What you're saying was said by some dude in every generation for the last 100 years. Not sure how you don't see this. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 10:31:16 AM EDT
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We are suckers. This country and the world is absolutely awash in oil. So called global warming is a farce. Yet we have to put up with crap technological cures for non problems at significant cost to everyone who owns a car in this country. Simple and reliable 300+ horsepower V8 engines are available right now but we are forced to result to silly gimmicks in the name of the pseudo religion of being eco friendly. SUCKERS! Brother, what the heck are you talking about? 
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Posted: 8/1/2014 10:33:45 AM EDT
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by your calculations, the amount of condensation that will escape through the hole is not enough to affect the performance of the engine, either. It takes much more water ingested to make one stumble the way these trucks are. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A sufficiently small hole will not cause any drop in boost. It'll just make the waste gate open a tiny bit later. Boost will also force the water out the tiny hole much better than gravity and a slightly bigger hole. so how many guys have done this? Y'all can dance around and say the shit is harmless all you want, the fact still remains that it's a bullshit retarded solution to a bigger problem. Again, putting holes in something designed to hold pressure is DUMB! just because it's a tiny ass hole, doesn't make it any better of an idea @ 30psi, the volume of air that would flow through a 1/32" circular orifice to atmosphere is 0.633 CFM. orifice flow chart How much air volume is flowing through an Ecoboost V6 at peak Boost? 500-600 CFM maybe? (probably more than that) 0.633 CFM isn't hurting anything. by your calculations, the amount of condensation that will escape through the hole is not enough to affect the performance of the engine, either. It takes much more water ingested to make one stumble the way these trucks are. If only someone could come up with some sort of can mounted in line with the IC to catch condensation and oil and other liquids |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 10:34:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I say this in every thread having to do with direct injection. Stay the fuck away from it. It allows build up on your valves and other intake parts. Port injection is good because it cleans the valves off as it sprays past them. Mix bad valve timing (due to sludge buildup) with high levels of advanced ignition timing (due to the fact direct injection supposedly fights detonation) AND high compression levels, (again due to the fact in theory direct injection fights detonation) and what do you get, a lot of rotating assemblies in that can fit in shopping bags because they are in pieces. I promise you the official explanation is bullshit, its a fuel system design problem. Mazda guys have seen it, BMW guys have seen it to a level, Anywhere it has been used it is more pain than promise. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 10:37:30 AM EDT
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Interesting. Buddy was looking at an Eco boost.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 10:41:36 AM EDT
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So you drive a truck with an old BB engine? What you're saying was said by some dude in every generation for the last 100 years. Not sure how you don't see this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not a secret. Push an engine harder and longevity goes down. I have said it again and again. A true truck needs a lower performing big engine. So you drive a truck with an old BB engine? What you're saying was said by some dude in every generation for the last 100 years. Not sure how you don't see this. Not sure how it's wrong. And no, it doesn't mean you have to have a 454. It means a 5.0 and up motor that isn't boosted to get the numbers it needs to be a truck engine. It really isn't that complicated. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 10:57:06 AM EDT
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Still glad I went with a Titan Same here! 
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Posted: 8/1/2014 10:57:27 AM EDT
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by your calculations, the amount of condensation that will escape through the hole is not enough to affect the performance of the engine, either. It takes much more water ingested to make one stumble the way these trucks are. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A sufficiently small hole will not cause any drop in boost. It'll just make the waste gate open a tiny bit later. Boost will also force the water out the tiny hole much better than gravity and a slightly bigger hole. so how many guys have done this? Y'all can dance around and say the shit is harmless all you want, the fact still remains that it's a bullshit retarded solution to a bigger problem. Again, putting holes in something designed to hold pressure is DUMB! just because it's a tiny ass hole, doesn't make it any better of an idea @ 30psi, the volume of air that would flow through a 1/32" circular orifice to atmosphere is 0.633 CFM. orifice flow chart How much air volume is flowing through an Ecoboost V6 at peak Boost? 500-600 CFM maybe? (probably more than that) 0.633 CFM isn't hurting anything. by your calculations, the amount of condensation that will escape through the hole is not enough to affect the performance of the engine, either. It takes much more water ingested to make one stumble the way these trucks are. Ever popped open the bottom drain cock on an air compressor reservoir? A single cubic foot of water is equal to 7.48052 gallons. We're not talking about a lot of water here so it doesn't have to flow that much. This is a gradual accumulation of water under low RPM. A single pin hole would be sufficient enough to keep that from happening. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 10:58:30 AM EDT
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It gives the accumulated moisture an exit point that instead through your engine. It is not uncommon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's an issue on a bunch of turbo charged vehicles. Both the Duramax, as well as the TDI VW's have suffered from the same water buildup in the intercoolers. You will notice that all the threads started for this issue are from people who live in high humidity climates. Your choices are to move to a less damp state, Put a better intercooler in it (Full race or the likes) the stock one sucks for guys in "Moist" states. Drill a small hole in the bottom of the intercooler Install a catch can that intercepts both sides of the PCV. ETA: This is an intercooler issue, not an Eco-boost issue. If you were to turbo the newer 5.0, and put the same CAC on it as the 3.5, you would have the same issue. Ford needs to address the CAC for the guys in climates were the condensation takes place. It realy sucks for some folks, because all the guys who live in the dry climates are loving these trucks!!!
Same issue with the VW's TSB updated January 8, 2013: TSB # 21 12 01 / 2025464 Frozen Air Charge Cooler For those who are unaware of the TDI Intercooler Issue, here is a synopsis. There is a serious safety and engineering defect with all North American MK VI generation TDI Jetta, TDI Jetta Station Wagon, and TDI Golf cars. TDI Passats are not affected by this. Other parts of the world are not experiencing this issue due to differences in emissions controls. VW has issued TSB # 21 11 06 / 2025464 Frozen Air Charge Cooler for it. All CR 2.0L TDI engines for the above mentioned cars are prone to engine failure, destruction and engine compartment fire due to water condensing in the intercooler during cold winter weather. Water vapour is entering the intercooler airstream and condensing into significant volumes of liquid water. The accumulated water then enters the engine cylinder causing a catastrophic hydrolocking condition resulting in engine failure. Some owners, not aware of why the engine won't start, continue to run the starter motor in attempt to start the car which results in overheating of the starter cable. The overheated starter cable causes the cable insulation to melt, smoke and catch fire. so drilling a hole in a container that is meant to contain positive pressure is a good idea now? It gives the accumulated moisture an exit point that instead through your engine. It is not uncommon. I think what would be a good fix would be to just mount the blow off valve at the lowest point of the intercooler. Valve opens water, condensation and air come out. If you made the components out of high grade stainless it wouldn't corrode. Simple as hell fix. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 10:58:47 AM EDT
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Funny thing - I don't have that problem on my Tundra.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 11:00:13 AM EDT
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Funny thing - I don't have that problem on my Tundra. nope but you don't have turbos either and Ford's 6.2 L engine would eat your 5.7 for breakfast, if you want to compare n/a engnies to one another.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 11:03:45 AM EDT
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I think what would be a good fix would be to just mount the blow off valve at the lowest point of the intercooler. Valve opens water, condensation and air come out. If you made the components out of high grade stainless it wouldn't corrode. Simple as hell fix. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's an issue on a bunch of turbo charged vehicles. Both the Duramax, as well as the TDI VW's have suffered from the same water buildup in the intercoolers. You will notice that all the threads started for this issue are from people who live in high humidity climates. Your choices are to move to a less damp state, Put a better intercooler in it (Full race or the likes) the stock one sucks for guys in "Moist" states. Drill a small hole in the bottom of the intercooler Install a catch can that intercepts both sides of the PCV. ETA: This is an intercooler issue, not an Eco-boost issue. If you were to turbo the newer 5.0, and put the same CAC on it as the 3.5, you would have the same issue. Ford needs to address the CAC for the guys in climates were the condensation takes place. It realy sucks for some folks, because all the guys who live in the dry climates are loving these trucks!!!
Same issue with the VW's TSB updated January 8, 2013: TSB # 21 12 01 / 2025464 Frozen Air Charge Cooler For those who are unaware of the TDI Intercooler Issue, here is a synopsis. There is a serious safety and engineering defect with all North American MK VI generation TDI Jetta, TDI Jetta Station Wagon, and TDI Golf cars. TDI Passats are not affected by this. Other parts of the world are not experiencing this issue due to differences in emissions controls. VW has issued TSB # 21 11 06 / 2025464 Frozen Air Charge Cooler for it. All CR 2.0L TDI engines for the above mentioned cars are prone to engine failure, destruction and engine compartment fire due to water condensing in the intercooler during cold winter weather. Water vapour is entering the intercooler airstream and condensing into significant volumes of liquid water. The accumulated water then enters the engine cylinder causing a catastrophic hydrolocking condition resulting in engine failure. Some owners, not aware of why the engine won't start, continue to run the starter motor in attempt to start the car which results in overheating of the starter cable. The overheated starter cable causes the cable insulation to melt, smoke and catch fire. so drilling a hole in a container that is meant to contain positive pressure is a good idea now? It gives the accumulated moisture an exit point that instead through your engine. It is not uncommon. I think what would be a good fix would be to just mount the blow off valve at the lowest point of the intercooler. Valve opens water, condensation and air come out. If you made the components out of high grade stainless it wouldn't corrode. Simple as hell fix. Too easy. Wouldn't require 3 engineers to design and 4 UAW employees to assemble.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 11:31:07 AM EDT
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Funny thing - I don't have that problem on my Tundra. Actually, early 5.7s had a similar problem with the pumps on the EGR system. Condensation was killing a $2k component |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 11:33:30 AM EDT
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The BOV at the lowest point is the best idea yet. Hmmm, wonder why we did that on our old street supra way back when...
And air sitting in a compressor tank tends to accumulate way more condensation than a truck being driven. Now youre just being silly trying to justify the stupidity of the idea Why don't you drill a hole in the bottom of your compressor tank so it cant build up moisture in there, either? |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 11:38:46 AM EDT
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This is why I'll stick with my 06 Dodge Ram TRX4 w/HEMI, 113K and only a water pump so far. I keep on top of routine maintenace and work it hard.
I'm so happy with it I treated it to a Line-X bed liner the other day for being so faithful. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 11:42:56 AM EDT
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Has it been to the dealer for a reflash? There is a computer update that is supposed to help with this. If You don't get it fixed the miss will take out the cat converter. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 11:48:27 AM EDT
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It's funny because the Mustang design team specifically avoided putting DI on the new Mustangs because a lot of what you're saying.
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I say this in every thread having to do with direct injection. Stay the fuck away from it. It allows build up on your valves and other intake parts. Port injection is good because it cleans the valves off as it sprays past them. Mix bad valve timing (due to sludge buildup) with high levels of advanced ignition timing (due to the fact direct injection supposedly fights detonation) AND high compression levels, (again due to the fact in theory direct injection fights detonation) and what do you get, a lot of rotating assemblies in that can fit in shopping bags because they are in pieces. I promise you the official explanation is bullshit, its a fuel system design problem. Mazda guys have seen it, BMW guys have seen it to a level, Anywhere it has been used it is more pain than promise.
Interesting. Never knew that about DI, but it makes sense. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 11:52:54 AM EDT
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It doesn't have a MAF
I have a hard time believing that a brand new engine from anybody would be speed density in 2014... Looks like a MAF to me... 
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