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Posted: 7/29/2014 11:58:00 AM EDT
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Get my ass out of the area and inform security.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:01:03 PM EDT
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Cosplayer...
But still inform security and eject. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:04:56 PM EDT
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If he wasn't pointing the guns in a threatening manner, I would have done nothing. Just another dude carrying a gun, or guns in this case.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:05:45 PM EDT
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Cosplayer... But still inform security and eject. My son just explained Cosplay to me. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:06:44 PM EDT
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This will be good.
In before OCT supporters and libertarians. 
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:07:17 PM EDT
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Get my ass out of the area and inform security. Leave California OP. 
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:07:44 PM EDT
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ComicCon.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:09:41 PM EDT
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If he wasn't pointing the guns in a threatening manner, I would have done nothing. Just another dude carrying a gun, or guns in this case. I guess, but then it's on my conscience if the dude shoots up the Footlocker. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:11:01 PM EDT
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I guess, but then it's on my conscience if the dude shoots up the Footlocker. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If he wasn't pointing the guns in a threatening manner, I would have done nothing. Just another dude carrying a gun, or guns in this case. I guess, but then it's on my conscience if the dude shoots up the Footlocker. But he didn't. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:12:47 PM EDT
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Run to the state line OP and it will be okay
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:12:50 PM EDT
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If he wasn't pointing the guns in a threatening manner, I would have done nothing. Just another dude carrying a gun, or guns in this case. I guess, but then it's on my conscience if the dude shoots up the Footlocker. But he didn't. Yeah, that's true. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:13:12 PM EDT
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Why were you unarmed?
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:14:09 PM EDT
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If he wasn't pointing the guns in a threatening manner, I would have done nothing. Just another dude carrying a gun, or guns in this case. I guess, but then it's on my conscience if the dude shoots up the Footlocker. But he didn't. Yeah, that's true. If someone had seen that kid walking towards the Sandy Hook school with his AR, he could just have been bringing an Airsoft gun for a fun show-and-tell.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:17:01 PM EDT
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Informed security.
A guy walking around handling real guns in a public place is a threat. A guy walking around handling fake guns in a public place is stirring shit and deserves to get hassled. Initiating contact with someone who doesn't immediately present a threat is a job for the people who get paid to do that shit.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:17:28 PM EDT
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Why were you unarmed? I can't legally carry in California. 32 other states, yes. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:20:04 PM EDT
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If someone had seen that kid walking towards the Sandy Hook school with his AR, he could just have been bringing an Airsoft gun for a fun show-and-tell. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If he wasn't pointing the guns in a threatening manner, I would have done nothing. Just another dude carrying a gun, or guns in this case. I guess, but then it's on my conscience if the dude shoots up the Footlocker. But he didn't. Yeah, that's true. If someone had seen that kid walking towards the Sandy Hook school with his AR, he could just have been bringing an Airsoft gun for a fun show-and-tell. Doubtful, since schools have a zero tolerance policy against even replica firearms. He would have been out of place. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:23:21 PM EDT
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Auxiliary police officer fail on a grand scale. If anything that guy should be arrested for brandishing, fake or not.
When this jackoff shoots women and children in the mall try explaining to their family what you "never" reported. This is also the exact reason these nut jobs that shoot up school and malls go unnoticed and everyones so shocked it happened. Yet afterwards people come out and say "oh ya everyone knew the guy was nuts and talked about shooting up the theater", REALLY!! And you dont take that serious? Carry in a open holster is one thing, doing as you described is on a whole other level. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:25:26 PM EDT
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Auxiliary police officer fail on a grand scale. If anything that guy should be arrested for brandishing, fake or not. When this jackoff shoots women and children in the mall try explaining to their family what you "never" reported. This is also the exact reason these nut jobs that shoot up school and malls go unnoticed and everyones so shocked it happened. Yet afterwards people come out and say "oh ya everyone knew the guy was nuts and talked about shooting up the theater", REALLY!! And you dont take that serious? Carry in a open holster is one thing, doing as you described is on a whole other level. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I did report it. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:30:50 PM EDT
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Doubtful, since schools have a zero tolerance policy against even replica firearms. He would have been out of place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... I guess, but then it's on my conscience if the dude shoots up the Footlocker. But he didn't. Yeah, that's true. If someone had seen that kid walking towards the Sandy Hook school with his AR, he could just have been bringing an Airsoft gun for a fun show-and-tell. Doubtful, since schools have a zero tolerance policy against even replica firearms. He would have been out of place. While I agree that the Sandy Hook example is more obvious, I would argue that a man walking towards the entrance of a mall who unholsters two pistols is also pretty out of place. It's not like the OP described someone who was open carrying, or a concealed carrier who briefly exposed his gun - but rather someone walking purposefully towards an area with lots of people, who then takes out two pistols. I wonder what would have happened if the OP had yelled to the other bystanders to "get him" and tackled him, and sat on him while the police were called. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:33:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While I agree that the Sandy Hook example is more obvious, I would argue that a man walking towards the entrance of a mall who unholsters two pistols is also pretty out of place. It's not like the OP described someone who was open carrying, or a concealed carrier who briefly exposed his gun - but rather someone walking purposefully towards an area with lots of people, who then takes out two pistols. I wonder what would have happened if the OP had yelled to the other bystanders to "get him" and tackled him, and sat on him while the police were called. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Originally Posted By VBC But he didn't. Yeah, that's true. If someone had seen that kid walking towards the Sandy Hook school with his AR, he could just have been bringing an Airsoft gun for a fun show-and-tell. Doubtful, since schools have a zero tolerance policy against even replica firearms. He would have been out of place. While I agree that the Sandy Hook example is more obvious, I would argue that a man walking towards the entrance of a mall who unholsters two pistols is also pretty out of place. It's not like the OP described someone who was open carrying, or a concealed carrier who briefly exposed his gun - but rather someone walking purposefully towards an area with lots of people, who then takes out two pistols. I wonder what would have happened if the OP had yelled to the other bystanders to "get him" and tackled him, and sat on him while the police were called. Might have gotten his ass shot out from under him, or charged with assault. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:35:33 PM EDT
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While I agree that the Sandy Hook example is more obvious, I would argue that a man walking towards the entrance of a mall who unholsters two pistols is also pretty out of place. It's not like the OP described someone who was open carrying, or a concealed carrier who briefly exposed his gun - but someone walking purposefully towards an area with lots of people, and takes out two pistols. I wonder what would have happened if the OP had yelled to the other bystanders to "get him" and tackled him, and sat on him while the police were called. Maybe he pulled them out to readjust because his carry rigs sucks. If he wasn't giving off any clues he was up to something, it wouldn't have set-off my oh shit meter. Him being Asian, dressed like a pimp with a determined look is not enough of a threat in my book. If he was pointing or presenting his gun in a manner to purposely threaten or evoke fear into somebody, then yes, he's "brandishing" and should be reported. Otherwise, he's just another guy with a gun. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:37:00 PM EDT
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I wonder what would have happened if the OP had yelled to the other bystanders to "get him" and tackled him, and sat on him while the police were called. If the pistols were fake, I'd be facing assault charges. Perhaps more...depending on local laws. Civil stuff too. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:37:36 PM EDT
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If the pistols were fake, I'd be facing assault charges. Perhaps more...depending on local laws. Civil stuff too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder what would have happened if the OP had yelled to the other bystanders to "get him" and tackled him, and sat on him while the police were called. If the pistols were fake, I'd be facing assault charges. Perhaps more...depending on local laws. Civil stuff too. Would you - or would it fall under some kind of "reasonable" standard? Any lawyers who know the answer to this? |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:55:29 PM EDT
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Informed security. A guy walking around handling real guns in a public place is a threat. A guy walking around handling fake guns in a public place is stirring shit and deserves to get hassled. Initiating contact with someone who doesn't immediately present a threat is a job for the people who get paid to do that shit. Even if they were fake, the guy ran a real risk by whipping them out. He could have gotten shot by LE. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:59:54 PM EDT
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If he wasn't pointing the guns in a threatening manner, I would have done nothing. Just another dude carrying a gun, or guns in this case. Carrying is one thing. Unholstering/drawing, in public, with no threat, is something completely different. Plus, Mexican carry isn't what I expect rational CCWers, in public, to use. Me? I would have unassed the area PDQ. If the guy was approaching me, eyeballing me, within 10-15 feet. and did that, an immediate full-on body check/tackle would have been in order. Hit hard, hit fast, hit first. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 1:03:00 PM EDT
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911. How does it work?
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Posted: 7/29/2014 1:04:55 PM EDT
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FPNI
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Posted: 7/29/2014 1:09:22 PM EDT
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How often are you casually pulling your firearm out as you walk down a crowded street? It certainly would have raised an alarm with me. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 1:11:32 PM EDT
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Why do you get your hair cut at a salon?
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Posted: 7/29/2014 1:13:42 PM EDT
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If my family want an issue I would have followed the guy... Ready to take him out. And hopefully found a cop before that happened. Sounds like a test run or chickened out.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 1:16:18 PM EDT
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Carrying is one thing. Unholstering/drawing, in public, with no threat, is something completely different. Plus, Mexican carry isn't what I expect rational CCWers, in public, to use. Me? I would have unassed the area PDQ. If the guy was approaching me, eyeballing me, within 10-15 feet. and did that, an immediate full-on body check/tackle would have been in order. Hit hard, hit fast, hit first. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If he wasn't pointing the guns in a threatening manner, I would have done nothing. Just another dude carrying a gun, or guns in this case. Carrying is one thing. Unholstering/drawing, in public, with no threat, is something completely different. Plus, Mexican carry isn't what I expect rational CCWers, in public, to use. Me? I would have unassed the area PDQ. If the guy was approaching me, eyeballing me, within 10-15 feet. and did that, an immediate full-on body check/tackle would have been in order. Hit hard, hit fast, hit first. The one thing the incedent showed me was the following: Since 2007, I've only had one hobby....firearms training. I used to have others, but such is life. I got my brother into firearms. Most of my friends are shooters....so I'm around firearms all the time. I've often thought, because I'm around firearms all the time, would I immediately notice one if I saw one where one didn't belong? Would I react or would I, out of habit, think....."Hey, nice M&P" or "I wonder if that's a Norinco?" I noticed those pistols immediately and saw that they were out of place. That's all. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 1:16:56 PM EDT
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How often are you casually pulling your firearm out as you walk down a crowded street? It certainly would have raised an alarm with me. When ComicCon is in town? Probably every 5th person. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 1:19:35 PM EDT
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Why do you get your hair cut at a salon? There's this great "urban" barber shop called Fresh Up in that mall. Good dudes. Good haircuts. I don't always understand the things they say, but I'm a 50 year old White dude from the suburbs. When in Rome.... |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 1:32:55 PM EDT
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Some guy pulls out guns min a mall. Draw and shoot.
Can't belive you guys shoot dags but would not drop somebody pulling out guns. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 1:36:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cosplayer... But still inform security and eject. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 1:44:47 PM EDT
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Overcoming cognitive dissonance and getting off the X is a very large psychological hurdle. We all are born (to a greater or lesser extent) with a tendency to go through the "this isn't really the threat it appears to be" when confronted with such a thing.
Occasionally playing Walter Mitty in your mind... "what would I do if that guy suddenly whipped out a MAC" is a known good way to work through it. Don't tell anyone else, though. Normal folks'll think you're all jacked up.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:14:05 PM EDT
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If he wasn't pointing the guns in a threatening manner, I would have done nothing. Just another dude carrying a gun, or guns in this case. This. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:22:16 PM EDT
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Auxiliary police officer fail on a grand scale. If anything that guy should be arrested for brandishing, fake or not. When this jackoff shoots women and children in the mall try explaining to their family what you "never" reported. This is also the exact reason these nut jobs that shoot up school and malls go unnoticed and everyones so shocked it happened. Yet afterwards people come out and say "oh ya everyone knew the guy was nuts and talked about shooting up the theater", REALLY!! And you dont take that serious? Carry in a open holster is one thing, doing as you described is on a whole other level. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Brandishing is waiving about in a threatening manner, simply holding the pistols in his hand in a non threatening manner is not brandishing, odd yes, but not brandishing. Well dressed? Calm? Not acting nutty? Not making threats? Not brandishing? Not behaving as if agitated? Not doing anything other than carrying the guns that seems out of place to you (and not even carrying them in a firing grip from the way it was described) Non threat. Observe if you like, but as it stands: ignore. Most likely scenarios? 1: He has doing cosplay at comiccon. 2: He was really carrying, and had to shift/reposition the guns for some reason, he was an idiot for doing it the way he did, but that's all. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:23:39 PM EDT
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Maybe he pulled them out to readjust because his carry rigs sucks. If he wasn't giving off any clues he was up to something, it wouldn't have set-off my oh shit meter. Him being Asian, dressed like a pimp with a determined look is not enough of a threat in my book. If he was pointing or presenting his gun in a manner to purposely threaten or evoke fear into somebody, then yes, he's "brandishing" and should be reported. Otherwise, he's just another guy with a gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While I agree that the Sandy Hook example is more obvious, I would argue that a man walking towards the entrance of a mall who unholsters two pistols is also pretty out of place. It's not like the OP described someone who was open carrying, or a concealed carrier who briefly exposed his gun - but someone walking purposefully towards an area with lots of people, and takes out two pistols. I wonder what would have happened if the OP had yelled to the other bystanders to "get him" and tackled him, and sat on him while the police were called. Maybe he pulled them out to readjust because his carry rigs sucks. If he wasn't giving off any clues he was up to something, it wouldn't have set-off my oh shit meter. Him being Asian, dressed like a pimp with a determined look is not enough of a threat in my book. If he was pointing or presenting his gun in a manner to purposely threaten or evoke fear into somebody, then yes, he's "brandishing" and should be reported. Otherwise, he's just another guy with a gun. This. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:26:47 PM EDT
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What do you think you would have done? Left. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:31:29 PM EDT
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Some guy pulls out guns min a mall. Draw and shoot. Can't belive you guys shoot dags but would not drop somebody pulling out guns. Because drawing the guns from the holster in, and of it'self is not threatening, it's unusual, and bears monitoring, but it is not a threat. Had he raised them, or otherwise set of my threat alarm with his actions yes, maybe, but just producing the pistols (and not even forming a firing grip), then re holstering while continuing to walk, and mind his own business? No, that is not a threat, no action is required. My assumption is it was just a carrier who had to re position (probably because he was mexican carryingg), and while he should have been more discreet it is far from threatening. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:32:10 PM EDT
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ComicCon. Probably something from The Matrix. My very first thought when reading this. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:34:26 PM EDT
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I can't legally carry in California. 28 other states, yes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why were you unarmed? I can't legally carry in California. 28 other states, yes. Well I guess this experiance just proved to you how much protection (legal) offers you in the real world. You could have been shot to shit and then to the media you would have been one of the next poster boys for gun bans. I would have gone on about my business. Stray bullets from mall security can kill people the same as crazy MFer bullets. I'd Guess the guy was a comiccon dildo and leave it be. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:41:12 PM EDT
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In before Zaminsky
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:47:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI wonder what would have happened if the OP had yelled to the other bystanders to "get him" and tackled him, and sat on him while the police were called. Not one damn thing , proved time and time again |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:54:47 PM EDT
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Guys, When he was less than ten feet from me, he took two large semi auto pistols out from his belt line and held them each by his side. Comic Con was in town and there were costumed people nearly everywhere. 
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Posted: 7/29/2014 4:01:55 PM EDT
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...tall Asian dude... 
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Posted: 7/29/2014 4:10:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/29/2014 4:14:15 PM EDT
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This will be good. In before OCT supporters and libertarians.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 4:21:48 PM EDT
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I would stop bidding San Diego layovers.
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