No joke... I'm glad I am not the only one that finds this to be bad form. If someone had traded it in or sold it sure, but I don't want someone pawing all over my firearms when I take them in for work.

 

My thoughts, as a repeat HK USP-C buyer:
Sights are not plastic, not sure what you were looking at.
The 45 models ARE oversized in the grips and really don't fit a lot of people, which makes the controls a pain.
Ambi safety is available, along with various other setups. The fact that it wasn't on the exact unit you were holding should not be held against the whole product line. You could switch that particular gun to an ambi, lefty, DAO, DA/SA... whatever you wanted.
The mag release is hit or miss for folks. Even if you like it, it takes some practice since it's different from the usual. I generally use my trigger finger and thumb on it at the same time, or just my trigger finger. I like the fact that it's perfectly useable with either hand. I practice dumping the safety by crossing my thumb over if I am using my weak hand alone, but not having to figure out a non standard method for magazines is nice.
ACCURATE. Practical accuracy is huge with these. It's not a tack driving target gun but very often it is the most accurate in practice for people who try a variety of handguns.
I'm not a huge fan of the grip, honestly. It never feels quite right one handed. Two handed it's fine. BUT, in actual use it works well. It's one of those things where just sitting there holding it doesn't transfer to the active use. The opposite is the case for me with many Sigs. I love how they feel, I really like the way they are designed and the construction on the old ones is outstanding. They also HATE my hand when it come to shooting. I've often thought about getting a 220 with target grips as a range toy or maybe house gun, but just haven't bothered.

Lastly, and the reason I actually bought a new one a few years after selling my original in a financial crisis, the damn things just plain WORK. I fully admit they probably aren't any more reliable than a GLOCK, on average. Both companies put out the occasional lemon that gets all sorts of notice, but that's the exception not the rule. But the GLOCK is ugly to me, generally less accurate off the shelf, and has no thumb safety option. Don't get me wrong, practically it's plenty accurate and I'm not saying it NEEDS a safety, just that I prefer having them since my other handguns all use them (mostly 1911's). The M&P is definitely an interesting gun, but it was also fairly new to market when I bought my last HK and I'm not as big a fan of the look and feel. It's just not as elegantly designed and doesn't feel like it's as high quality HK or Glock.

I can say the same about Glocks.  

OP needs to look at the P30/HK45/VP9 with the much improved ergonomics compared to the USP.  Night and day difference between the 2.  

I own an HK45 and use it as my carry gun.  I honestly believe I'll have to replace my hands before I wear out that gun. . . .

What can I say-I'm well hung, just not a well hung lesbian.


So how do Manly Men that have thumbs so big they gape their boyfriend's cornhole operate a stiff swing downmag release that's the size of Mini Chicklet chewing gum?

I don't get the point of an HK or SIG pistol.

Why pay $800-$1000 for a pistol that doesn't do anything a Glock/S&W/FN/CZ, etc can't do?

If it can put rounds into a small group at 15 yards or less, it's fine for a defensive pistol.

Because everyone's not like you?

It's the name. Fanboys go nutty over them too. Personally, they just don't feel right to me.

Nope, I'm 41 years old so I'm a striker fired baby. 1911's are guns my Dad and Grandad  like.

I have settled on M&P's.

Video games and ego

Aspirational People who can't afford a $3500 custom 1911 like to buy them and brag to their Glock/smith/beretta/ XD shooting friends that they buy "premium" HK with their nose in the air.   Then they hop in their leased Mercedes C-class and putter away.   If "premium" is $200 more than a Glock, well.........I'm sure off the shelf suits are good enough for you too.

They are overcomplicated glocks

No more, no less

Designed 100% by talented engineers, 0% by actual shooters.  And it shows.........

Same reason not everyone drives a Kia

I think a lot of people who hate HK have never shot or owned one and repeat talking points they've heard over the internet like "Because you suck, and we hate you."

I love my P30 and P2000 with LEM triggers.

SIGs are a bad joke? Lol

Hurrrrr HK is a Benz Glock is a Kia

Yes. I am a tool and die maker by trade and CAD design mechanisms and assemblies. I know -a lot- about how things are made in industry-stampings, forgings, plastic injection molding, tolerances and working clearances, finish types etc.

When I say it wasn't a quality gun it is because the materials and design were not what I consider to be consistent with a gun that H&K put their best into.

Doesn't matter if it's a valuable opinion for you, it's worth what you paid for it.

The butt hurt is a flowin!

Did I forget to mention that I am listed on the FFL, and help out in the shop? The gun was sitting on the "in" table and I safety checked it and looked it over, not dry fired it and finger fucked it until sundown.

Only an H&K owner would care if someone touched their gun without white gloves on, I guess.....

No.  HK is a Benz while Glock is a Honda.

Yeah you did, wiseass.

I have a USP 45 full-size. I like the mag release, my sights were metal (replaced with tritium). Not a fan of the trigger. It DOES eat 45 Super right out of the box (confirmed with HK). I like the grip better than a full-size glock 45acp. Accurate. 'Nuff said.

Yeah your greasy prints might show up in their dramatic blue gel light hued pictures of their HK's posed with their Crye gear and IR dampend shmeghmah of their terror response kit

Bonus points for getting prints on their $400 KAC triple tap

I'm ok with custom guns because you get something unique or 'better' when you spend the money.

Just looked at all the H&K's that we have in inventory, and thought of mine. Sights are ateel on their pistols.

Yup.   Glocks take about $77 in fully sunk costs to make (including transport, labor, excise, blah blah blah)


HK's cost about $127 do the same mostly due to smaller economies of scale and more import balogny.



$77 to $127 sooooo premium


Both cheap plastic pieces of shit really.   I don't even blink buying a bottle of wine priced at $77 or $127

Their marketing in the 80s was exceptional.

S&W, Beretta, etc. all demanded that their guns only got to be used by the "good guys."  Mel Gibson, Bruce Willis, Ahnold, Clint Eastwood...

H&K was like, nah, fuck that, just get us screen time.  And so they got their guns EVERYWHERE.  If it was an action movie in the late 80s, early 90s...  there was an H&K in there somewhere.  And all those movies are 'classics,' even today.  Even the stupid ones like Under Siege - I know it's dumb, but I still love it.  And what would that movie be without the MP5?  That, and Gary Busey in drag.  

Glocks don't come with sights, they come with plastic placeholders so you can mount your own sights of choice

I haven't ever seen an H&K with plastic sights either.  That stupidity is reserved for Glock ( I only own Glock's btw).

Hankering for a p30 V1 LEM.

Really seriously hankering for one.

"My Honda is every bit as good as your Lamborghini, my Macy's suit is as good as your Canali, and my Timex is as good as your Rolex".

"Only a fool would pay so much for a ....................."

People who feel that way; well good for them.

But people who can afford better, understand the value.

Which makes sense as that was the last time they were relevant.

What we are saying is that the HK is not really a premium product.  

It's a few hundred more than a Glock but everyone puts them on a pedestal like they are they are Louboutins or something

Because you suck and they hate you.

I was thinking the same thing reading the OP.

At least that's not as bad as my friend that caught his FFL shooting his NIB transfer gun.

I see more grandstanding for Glock than HK

I wish I could get an HK style mag release on my Glock.

Only then would it be perfect.

Glock owners take plenty of shit on forums


Anyways, feel free to point to any "premium" feature on an HK......


My glocks came with metal factory NS so I don't think the sights hold water for me.   I don't even have to charge them with a flashlight like on a P30

There was a time in my life when I was an HK fanboi.

I had quite a few USPs, Taciticools, so called compacts and just the regular flavor.


I grew into not liking the square edges for carry or the overpriced mags. I found other pistols that filled my safes and got rid of the HKs.



They are okay guns but no where near as good as they are hyped up to be.  

The square edges are a cost control measure.  Fewer machining steps.

Had a USP and P7M8. Sold both and replaced with g19s



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It's been my experience in this town (Saint Louis) that HK stuff is usually not kept on hand at dealers. The local FFLs have told me they don't want to stock it as nobody buys it. They sell Glocks and Sigs all day long but an HK will rot on their shelves, usually due to price. If they have one in their stock it is usually used, sometimes from a second or third owner, and they usually have to mark it down to bargain basement prices to move it. I've seen a lot of USPs and P2K's in this town marked down to what many would consider to be "too cheap to not buy" prices and they still sit on shelves... So when you see someone local here with a newer HK it usually means they special ordered it, they didn't "shop" for it. They knew what they wanted before they even walked into the store. And I bet half of them will be traded in within a year.

I'm not saying HK pistols are bad, heck I own a few. I'm just saying that they have a price point and a blind faith following that creates a very weird marketplace here. I like my USP45 Tac as a suppressor host, but if I was buying today I'd be looking at the FNX Tac or one of the new Glock 21 TB models instead.

Really? I had to get my USP45 fixed and when I called them up, even though I am a civvy sale, I had absolutely no issues with them and they were eager to help me. they wanted me to send them my USP, which I did on a monday, and i had it back at my door, completely fixed in 5 days

When did HK start using plastic sights????

Did they replace your rubber o-ring barrel bushing while they were In there?

When they started using day-Glo night sights

This.  Not sure why everyone poo poo's HK customer service anymore.  Sure, 15 years ago that might be the case but HK is a different company these days.  Plenty of positive comments on HK's current customer service....  Oh wait, this is GD, fuck facts, reading is for faggots!





 

Had a usp 9 and didn't love it much.  Bought a P30 in 9mm and that thing is the tits.