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Posted: 8/18/2014 1:48:07 PM EDT
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So has any of the "hang the pilot" crowd sacked up yet and admitted they might be wrong on this one?
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Posted: 8/18/2014 2:08:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So has any of the "hang the pilot" crowd sacked up yet and admitted they might be wrong on this one? Page 12 ownage with a dead stick edit, suck it Who might have been wrong? The pilot who killed two people?
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Posted: 8/18/2014 2:41:50 PM EDT
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So has any of the "hang the pilot" crowd sacked up yet and admitted they might be wrong on this one? Page 12 ownage with a dead stick edit, suck it I'll bite. So let's get this straight. The pilot admitted he saw groups of people on the beach, still made the decision to land there, attempts to just "navigate" around them, fails, kills a 10 yr old child in the process, and you're cool with this... |
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Posted: 8/18/2014 2:55:17 PM EDT
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I'll bite. So let's get this straight. The pilot admitted he saw groups of people on the beach, still made the decision to land there, attempts to just "navigate" around them, fails, kills a 10 yr old child in the process, and you're cool with this... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So has any of the "hang the pilot" crowd sacked up yet and admitted they might be wrong on this one? Page 12 ownage with a dead stick edit, suck it I'll bite. So let's get this straight. The pilot admitted he saw groups of people on the beach, still made the decision to land there, attempts to just "navigate" around them, fails, kills a 10 yr old child in the process, and you're cool with this... No, he saw people on the beach, so he landed in the water. There were people there, too, which he didn't see. RIF 
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Posted: 8/18/2014 2:58:16 PM EDT
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I'll bite. So let's get this straight. The pilot admitted he saw groups of people on the beach, still made the decision to land there, attempts to just "navigate" around them, fails, kills a 10 yr old child in the process, and you're cool with this... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So has any of the "hang the pilot" crowd sacked up yet and admitted they might be wrong on this one? Page 12 ownage with a dead stick edit, suck it I'll bite. So let's get this straight. The pilot admitted he saw groups of people on the beach, still made the decision to land there, attempts to just "navigate" around them, fails, kills a 10 yr old child in the process, and you're cool with this... Uh he landed in the water 
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Posted: 8/18/2014 3:04:55 PM EDT
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No, he saw people on the beach, so he landed in the water. There were people there, too, which he didn't see. RIF Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So has any of the "hang the pilot" crowd sacked up yet and admitted they might be wrong on this one? Page 12 ownage with a dead stick edit, suck it I'll bite. So let's get this straight. The pilot admitted he saw groups of people on the beach, still made the decision to land there, attempts to just "navigate" around them, fails, kills a 10 yr old child in the process, and you're cool with this... No, he saw people on the beach, so he landed in the water. There were people there, too, which he didn't see. RIF The plane is sitting on sand. Tide in or not, that's not ditching it in the water. |
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Posted: 8/18/2014 3:07:31 PM EDT
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I'll bite. So let's get this straight. The pilot admitted he saw groups of people on the beach, still made the decision to land there, attempts to just "navigate" around them, fails, kills a 10 yr old child in the process, and you're cool with this... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So has any of the "hang the pilot" crowd sacked up yet and admitted they might be wrong on this one? Page 12 ownage with a dead stick edit, suck it I'll bite. So let's get this straight. The pilot admitted he saw groups of people on the beach, still made the decision to land there, attempts to just "navigate" around them, fails, kills a 10 yr old child in the process, and you're cool with this... Yes. He saw people on the beach and ditched in the water (not going to argue with you on that point, take it up with the NTSB) and unfortunately there people in the water. Now before you get your panties in a bunch, Its sad that the dad and daughter lost their lives, but as a pilot and as a passenger who has flown over water, I can guaranfuckingtee its a damn sight harder to spot people/objects in the water then on land (and thats not always easy either.) When the prop stops turning, thats the loudest silence you will ever hear, your adrenalin goes through the roof, time speeds up and you get tunnel vision. Now this may not apply to a military jet jock, but to a recreational GA pilot without 10s of 1000's of hours of simulator and actual flight time, an engine out is a very real emergency. So yes, while it is a tragic situation for all involved, the world is a big scary place and life is tough, if the consequences of life are to much for someones delicate sensibilities, then maybe opting out is something they should think about. If he had aimed at them because he thought killing a guy and his kid would be fun, then yeah, fuck him, unfortunately, sometimes shit happens. |
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Posted: 8/18/2014 3:08:09 PM EDT
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The plane is sitting on sand. Tide in or not, that's not ditching it in the water. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So has any of the "hang the pilot" crowd sacked up yet and admitted they might be wrong on this one? Page 12 ownage with a dead stick edit, suck it I'll bite. So let's get this straight. The pilot admitted he saw groups of people on the beach, still made the decision to land there, attempts to just "navigate" around them, fails, kills a 10 yr old child in the process, and you're cool with this... No, he saw people on the beach, so he landed in the water. There were people there, too, which he didn't see. RIF The plane is sitting on sand. Tide in or not, that's not ditching it in the water. The NTSB report stated that he landed in the water. There is no rut, or tracks in the sand, and the nose is not dug in. The High water mark is way above where the plane is resting. But, I'm sure you know best.
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Posted: 8/18/2014 3:08:23 PM EDT
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So pilots, you're at 1000 feet, the engine quits, you can put down here: http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/aerial-view-of-an-evergreen-forest-paul-chesley.jpg Or here: http://photos.uc.wisc.edu/photos/14163/original/aerial_UW_70-200mm11_6718.JPG?1320174837 Which one? I'm not sure I could pass up a crowded soccer field. I mean, come on, it's ... soccer. |
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Posted: 8/18/2014 3:08:37 PM EDT
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The plane is sitting on sand. Tide in or not, that's not ditching it in the water. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So has any of the "hang the pilot" crowd sacked up yet and admitted they might be wrong on this one? Page 12 ownage with a dead stick edit, suck it I'll bite. So let's get this straight. The pilot admitted he saw groups of people on the beach, still made the decision to land there, attempts to just "navigate" around them, fails, kills a 10 yr old child in the process, and you're cool with this... No, he saw people on the beach, so he landed in the water. There were people there, too, which he didn't see. RIF The plane is sitting on sand. Tide in or not, that's not ditching it in the water. You do realize that once the pilot put the aircraft in the water (likely near stall speed) that (A) he was no longer in control of the aircraft and (B) it still has a hell of a lot of energy left due to the speed you have to carry not to stall. That means (as is stated in the article) that he eventually came to rest on or near shore (tide went out for the photo). |
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Posted: 8/18/2014 3:11:20 PM EDT
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The plane is sitting on sand. Tide in or not, that's not ditching it in the water. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So has any of the "hang the pilot" crowd sacked up yet and admitted they might be wrong on this one? Page 12 ownage with a dead stick edit, suck it I'll bite. So let's get this straight. The pilot admitted he saw groups of people on the beach, still made the decision to land there, attempts to just "navigate" around them, fails, kills a 10 yr old child in the process, and you're cool with this... No, he saw people on the beach, so he landed in the water. There were people there, too, which he didn't see. RIF The plane is sitting on sand. Tide in or not, that's not ditching it in the water. Read the damed NTSB preliminary report and stop being obtuse
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" In a preliminary report (PDF) released on Thursday, the NTSB said the pilot, identified by local media as Karl Kokomoor, told investigators he saw groups of people along the beach and attempted to navigate around them. He said he aimed for a spot where he thought there weren't any people and landed in the water near the waterline. However, the aircraft, a 1976 PA-28-181, struck and killed Ommy Irizarry, 36, and his nine-year-old daughter, Oceana, who were swimming in shallow water off the beach. Witness reports, which the NTSB characterized as consistent, reported that the airplane glided over groups of swimmers in the water before coming to rest without clearing all members of one group. When it impacted the water, the airplane turned sharply to the right before coming to rest partially on the beach." |
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Posted: 8/18/2014 3:18:48 PM EDT
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The plane is sitting on sand. Tide in or not, that's not ditching it in the water. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So has any of the "hang the pilot" crowd sacked up yet and admitted they might be wrong on this one? Page 12 ownage with a dead stick edit, suck it I'll bite. So let's get this straight. The pilot admitted he saw groups of people on the beach, still made the decision to land there, attempts to just "navigate" around them, fails, kills a 10 yr old child in the process, and you're cool with this... No, he saw people on the beach, so he landed in the water. There were people there, too, which he didn't see. RIF The plane is sitting on sand. Tide in or not, that's not ditching it in the water. The plane will float for a short time. Probably long enough to wash it up on the beach, because of wave action. |
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Posted: 8/18/2014 3:20:04 PM EDT
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He put his life and his passenger's life over and above the people's lives on the ground. Guess what? You don't get to do that because of your hobby. Simple as that. i agree with this guy, this is the same as adam lanzas mom having an ar 15 for use in her hobby of target shooting. had she never had an ar 15 those school childeren would still be alive. ban the evil high capacity assault single engine planes, and the right wing plane nuts. Wow. Five posts and "click" . fucking teener disease. I think he was pointing out the absurdity of That post. im glad someone got it. thank you. it is the same argument gun grabbers use just replace the word plane with gun. |
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Posted: 8/18/2014 3:25:30 PM EDT
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So yes, while it is a tragic situation for all involved, the world is a big scary place and life is tough, if the consequences of life are to much for someones delicate sensibilities, then maybe opting out is something they should think about. If he had aimed at them because he thought killing a guy and his kid would be fun, then yeah, fuck him, unfortunately, sometimes shit happens. Dude, I don't get this attitude at all. Yeah, life is tough, it's tougher when some idiot hobbiest drops his airplane on you and your kid's head. The question is, why was he dropping his airplane where he could hit you and your kid's head instead of BFE where there were no people? Because the pilot was a coward. He didn't want to ditch far off shore because it'd put his life in danger...but those groundlings just gotta suck it up, because the world is a scary place and life is tough.
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Posted: 8/18/2014 3:30:12 PM EDT
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Dude, I don't get this attitude at all. Yeah, life is tough, it's tougher when some idiot hobbiest drops his airplane on you and your kid's head. The question is, why was he dropping his airplane where he could hit you and your kid's head instead of BFE where there were no people? Because the pilot was a coward. He didn't want to ditch far off shore because it'd put his life in danger...but those groundlings just gotta suck it up, because the world is a scary place and life is tough. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So yes, while it is a tragic situation for all involved, the world is a big scary place and life is tough, if the consequences of life are to much for someones delicate sensibilities, then maybe opting out is something they should think about. If he had aimed at them because he thought killing a guy and his kid would be fun, then yeah, fuck him, unfortunately, sometimes shit happens. Dude, I don't get this attitude at all. Yeah, life is tough, it's tougher when some idiot hobbiest drops his airplane on you and your kid's head. The question is, why was he dropping his airplane where he could hit you and your kid's head instead of BFE where there were no people? Because the pilot was a coward. He didn't want to ditch far off shore because it'd put his life in danger...but those groundlings just gotta suck it up, because the world is a scary place and life is tough. Like I said there Amazing Kreskin, Why are you wasting time with us when you could be out reading minds and making the world a utopia? He put it in the water because he saw people on the beach, now he didn't put it far enough in the water, NOTHING will be good enough for your type short of the death penalty, you people are arguing like liberals after the 2A
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Posted: 8/18/2014 3:32:05 PM EDT
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Wow, GD never fails to entertain. The "class envy" up in here sounds just like a libtard's bleatings about guns.
Single-engine aircraft? Must be the "hobby" of one of those 1%-ers. A veritable Thurston Howell III of the air. Hang 'em high, eat the rich! 
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Posted: 8/18/2014 3:32:23 PM EDT
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Dude, I don't get this attitude at all. Yeah, life is tough, it's tougher when some idiot hobbiest drops his airplane on you and your kid's head. The question is, why was he dropping his airplane where he could hit you and your kid's head instead of BFE where there were no people? Because the pilot was a coward. He didn't want to ditch far off shore because it'd put his life in danger...but those groundlings just gotta suck it up, because the world is a scary place and life is tough. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So yes, while it is a tragic situation for all involved, the world is a big scary place and life is tough, if the consequences of life are to much for someones delicate sensibilities, then maybe opting out is something they should think about. If he had aimed at them because he thought killing a guy and his kid would be fun, then yeah, fuck him, unfortunately, sometimes shit happens. Dude, I don't get this attitude at all. Yeah, life is tough, it's tougher when some idiot hobbiest drops his airplane on you and your kid's head. The question is, why was he dropping his airplane where he could hit you and your kid's head instead of BFE where there were no people? Because the pilot was a coward. He didn't want to ditch far off shore because it'd put his life in danger...but those groundlings just gotta suck it up, because the world is a scary place and life is tough. Because there is no part of the world where there is no possibly to not hit anyone. Additionally, unlike some of the slower posters in this thread, one does not automatically forfeit their life once they climb into a plane. Pilots should make reasonable efforts to minimize injuries when they crash land and based on the preliminary report it looks like he did. Sometimes bad outcomes can happen despite making the best choices at the time. |
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Posted: 8/18/2014 3:34:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude, I don't get this attitude at all. Yeah, life is tough, it's tougher when some idiot hobbiest drops his airplane on you and your kid's head. The question is, why was he dropping his airplane where he could hit you and your kid's head instead of BFE where there were no people? Because the pilot was a coward. He didn't want to ditch far off shore because it'd put his life in danger...but those groundlings just gotta suck it up, because the world is a scary place and life is tough. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So yes, while it is a tragic situation for all involved, the world is a big scary place and life is tough, if the consequences of life are to much for someones delicate sensibilities, then maybe opting out is something they should think about. If he had aimed at them because he thought killing a guy and his kid would be fun, then yeah, fuck him, unfortunately, sometimes shit happens. Dude, I don't get this attitude at all. Yeah, life is tough, it's tougher when some idiot hobbiest drops his airplane on you and your kid's head. The question is, why was he dropping his airplane where he could hit you and your kid's head instead of BFE where there were no people? Because the pilot was a coward. He didn't want to ditch far off shore because it'd put his life in danger...but those groundlings just gotta suck it up, because the world is a scary place and life is tough. Obviously, you left the driveway with the sole purpose of smashing your vehicle into someone without prior warning and with no regard for anyone. See why you're a dumbass?
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Posted: 8/18/2014 3:49:22 PM EDT
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I ain't reading all 12 pages, but if he saw people on the beach, why didn't he ditch it in the water?
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Posted: 8/18/2014 3:49:25 PM EDT
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The NTSB report stated that he landed in the water. There is no rut, or tracks in the sand, and the nose is not dug in. The High water mark is way above where the plane is resting. But, I'm sure you know best.
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So has any of the "hang the pilot" crowd sacked up yet and admitted they might be wrong on this one? Page 12 ownage with a dead stick edit, suck it I'll bite. So let's get this straight. The pilot admitted he saw groups of people on the beach, still made the decision to land there, attempts to just "navigate" around them, fails, kills a 10 yr old child in the process, and you're cool with this... No, he saw people on the beach, so he landed in the water. There were people there, too, which he didn't see. RIF The plane is sitting on sand. Tide in or not, that's not ditching it in the water. The NTSB report stated that he landed in the water. There is no rut, or tracks in the sand, and the nose is not dug in. The High water mark is way above where the plane is resting. But, I'm sure you know best.
Groups of people on the beach, you have to assume some are in the shallows/surf. Put that fucker down 100 yds out to sea. But if you're down for risking (and in this case killing) others lives to decrease your odds of injury, then good luck in life fella. I can't argue with that type of mentality. |
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Posted: 8/18/2014 4:29:28 PM EDT
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Because there is no part of the world where there is no possibly to not hit anyone. Additionally, unlike some of the slower posters in this thread, one does not automatically forfeit their life once they climb into a plane. Pilots should make reasonable efforts to minimize injuries when they crash land and based on the preliminary report it looks like he did. Sometimes bad outcomes can happen despite making the best choices at the time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So yes, while it is a tragic situation for all involved, the world is a big scary place and life is tough, if the consequences of life are to much for someones delicate sensibilities, then maybe opting out is something they should think about. If he had aimed at them because he thought killing a guy and his kid would be fun, then yeah, fuck him, unfortunately, sometimes shit happens. Dude, I don't get this attitude at all. Yeah, life is tough, it's tougher when some idiot hobbiest drops his airplane on you and your kid's head. The question is, why was he dropping his airplane where he could hit you and your kid's head instead of BFE where there were no people? Because the pilot was a coward. He didn't want to ditch far off shore because it'd put his life in danger...but those groundlings just gotta suck it up, because the world is a scary place and life is tough. Because there is no part of the world where there is no possibly to not hit anyone. Additionally, unlike some of the slower posters in this thread, one does not automatically forfeit their life once they climb into a plane. Pilots should make reasonable efforts to minimize injuries when they crash land and based on the preliminary report it looks like he did. Sometimes bad outcomes can happen despite making the best choices at the time. Bullshit. You forfeit your life over the innocents on the ground if something goes wrong with your toy. Doesn't matter if it's a twin turbo prop, or an experimental ultralight powered by a Subaru engine. If it's the populated beach or the empty sea, it's your duty to put that bitch down in the sea. Like I said before, as soon as the pilot saw people on the beach, that should have automatically disqualified that site for an emergency landing. It should have been an instant reaction, "People, can't land there." Instead, this dude thought he could thread the needle and wound up killing two innocents...which apparently is a price that groundlings should gladly pay for the miracle of flight. 
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Posted: 8/18/2014 5:00:39 PM EDT
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Well that's your opinion man. My belief is that the pilot will not see any charges, damages will be limited to insurance, and unless he did something stupid to cause the engine to fail will keep his ticket (whether he chooses to keep it is another story).
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Posted: 8/18/2014 5:03:41 PM EDT
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Well that's your opinion man. My belief is that the pilot will not see any charges, damages will be limited to insurance, and unless he did something stupid to cause the engine to fail will keep his ticket (whether he chooses to keep it is another story). I'm not arguing what's going to happen to the dude, I'm arguing the dude shouldn't have landed anywhere near that beach. |
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Posted: 8/18/2014 5:10:03 PM EDT
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I'm not arguing what's going to happen to the dude, I'm arguing the dude shouldn't have landed anywhere near that beach. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well that's your opinion man. My belief is that the pilot will not see any charges, damages will be limited to insurance, and unless he did something stupid to cause the engine to fail will keep his ticket (whether he chooses to keep it is another story). I'm not arguing what's going to happen to the dude, I'm arguing the dude shouldn't have landed anywhere near that beach. Whether or not he should have landed there will be assessed by a prosecutor, a civil jury, and the FAA. Unless you expect that they are all going to be unreasonable then perhaps you are the unreasonable one on this. 
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Posted: 8/18/2014 5:11:27 PM EDT
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After reading the new info, I stick with my original assessment: he should have put it further out.
Also, I'm a pilot. Crowded beach, many people, he went for the water (apparently) but not far enough out. It's not like it was a secluded beach and he had bad luck. He tried to see the people and avoid them instead of getting further off shore. I hope I never have to hear that silence, but if I do, I hope I have the courage to do everything I can to preserve the lives of those who didn't choose to fly with me that day. |
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Posted: 8/18/2014 5:14:55 PM EDT
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Well that's your opinion man. My belief is that the pilot will not see any charges, damages will be limited to insurance, and unless he did something stupid to cause the engine to fail will keep his ticket (whether he chooses to keep it is another story). I'm not arguing what's going to happen to the dude, I'm arguing the dude shouldn't have landed anywhere near that beach. Whether or not he should have landed there will be assessed by a prosecutor, a civil jury, and the FAA. Unless you expect that they are all going to be unreasonable then perhaps you are the unreasonable one on this. I don't think it's unreasonable to take your daughter to the beach and go swimming without having to be worried about being hit by a plane. But again, I'm just a groundling and not a lofty pilot who soars on the wind, like a bird, untethered by gravity or morality... |
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Posted: 8/18/2014 5:24:59 PM EDT
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I don't think it's unreasonable to take your daughter to the beach and go swimming without having to be worried about being hit by a plane. But again, I'm just a groundling and not a lofty pilot who soars on the wind, like a bird, untethered by gravity or morality... Worrying about getting hit by a falling plane would be unreasonable since it happens so often. You should try slipping the surly bonds of Earth and touching the face of God. It's a fun hobby.
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Posted: 8/18/2014 5:31:45 PM EDT
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I used to once was a private pilot. No fucking WAY do I get anywhere near the beach with people on it...not for the plane and not for me or my pax. Flying is lots of fun, but it carries with it certain hazards. The pilot knew or damn well should have known this and accepted his responsibilities like a man. He should have picked a spot in the water with no swimmers, put down full flaps and landed with the stall alarm screaming and the stick-shaker just about jumping out of his hands. A water landing at about 45mph should have been survivable.
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Posted: 8/18/2014 5:34:55 PM EDT
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I'm thinking about a couple of military ejections in the past few years where the MA crashed in residential areas. My daughter wasn't too far from one of these incidents when it occurred.
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Posted: 8/18/2014 5:36:40 PM EDT
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I don't think it's unreasonable to take your daughter to the beach and go swimming without having to be worried about being hit by a plane. But again, I'm just a groundling and not a lofty pilot who soars on the wind, like a bird, untethered by gravity or morality... Worrying about getting hit by a falling plane would be unreasonable since it happens so often. You should try slipping the surly bonds of Earth and touching the face of God. It's a fun hobby. Eh, I don't know if I like the Pilot Tribe, kind of reminds me of cops....automatically defending the questionable actions of one of their own, blaming the victims, and circling the wagons.
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Posted: 8/18/2014 5:36:50 PM EDT
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Anyone flying a plane automatically forfeits their survival/well being over a person on the ground. People on the ground shouldn't give up their lives so some idiot can get his recreational high while putting other people in danger. By extension, anyone driving a car automatically forfeits their survival over a cyclist or pedestrian, right? |
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Posted: 8/18/2014 7:03:52 PM EDT
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Groups of people on the beach, you have to assume some are in the shallows/surf. Put that fucker down 100 yds out to sea. But if you're down for risking (and in this case killing) others lives to decrease your odds of injury, then good luck in life fella. I can't argue with that type of mentality. Thanks, but my life is good, sport 
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Posted: 8/18/2014 10:38:35 PM EDT
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Anyone flying a plane automatically forfeits their survival/well being over a person on the ground. People on the ground shouldn't give up their lives so some idiot can get his recreational high while putting other people in danger. By extension, anyone driving a car automatically forfeits their survival over a cyclist or pedestrian, right? If you have a flat, you had better man up, and put it into the guardrail. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 4:10:43 AM EDT
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Anyone flying a plane automatically forfeits their survival/well being over a person on the ground. People on the ground shouldn't give up their lives so some idiot can get his recreational high while putting other people in danger. By extension, anyone driving a car automatically forfeits their survival over a cyclist or pedestrian, right? If you have a flat, you had better man up, and put it into the guardrail. Versus crashing into a full playground? Damn straight. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 4:22:59 AM EDT
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Anyone flying a plane automatically forfeits their survival/well being over a person on the ground. People on the ground shouldn't give up their lives so some idiot can get his recreational high while putting other people in danger. By extension, anyone driving a car automatically forfeits their survival over a cyclist or pedestrian, right? If you have a flat, you had better man up, and put it into the guardrail. Versus crashing into a full playground? Damn straight. But what if he hits the guardrail bounces off then spins off the road while still traveling at 50mph then flips 5 times and lands on the playground? Your such a reckless driver. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 4:45:33 AM EDT
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I don't think it's unreasonable to take your daughter to the beach and go swimming without having to be worried about being hit by a plane. But again, I'm just a groundling and not a lofty pilot who soars on the wind, like a bird, untethered by gravity or morality... Worrying about getting hit by a falling plane would be unreasonable since it happens so often. You should try slipping the surly bonds of Earth and touching the face of God. It's a fun hobby. Eh, I don't know if I like the Pilot Tribe, kind of reminds me of cops....automatically defending the questionable actions of one of their own, blaming the victims, and circling the wagons. You've never sat in one of our club's safety meetings if you think pilots blindly defend their own. Most of the pilots in here are just giving facts to try to counter some of the hysterics that are in play. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 4:54:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/19/2014 4:59:35 AM EDT
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Anyone flying a plane automatically forfeits their survival/well being over a person on the ground. People on the ground shouldn't give up their lives so some idiot can get his recreational high while putting other people in danger. By extension, anyone driving a car automatically forfeits their survival over a cyclist or pedestrian, right? If you have a flat, you had better man up, and put it into the guardrail. Versus crashing into a full playground? Damn straight. No, bullshit. No matter what, because there might be someone you don't see. Only a coward would take that chance. Any groundlings have any ideas what we can call the pilot's Thin Blue Line? |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 5:00:40 AM EDT
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It was wrong for that man to kill that family. And avoidable, too.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 5:04:02 AM EDT
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Any groundlings have any ideas what we can call the pilot's Thin Blue Line? The large watch line or just "awesome" would work. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 5:06:56 AM EDT
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Any groundlings have any ideas what we can call the pilot's Thin Blue Line? The large watch line or just "awesome" would work. Want to know what's more awesome? These two: 
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Posted: 8/19/2014 5:07:51 AM EDT
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If you have a flat, you had better man up, and put it into the guardrail. Versus crashing into a full playground? Damn straight. No, bullshit. No matter what, because there might be someone you don't see. Only a coward would take that chance. Any groundlings have any ideas what we can call the pilot's Thin Blue Line? I don't see anythign resembling a "pilot's thin blue line" here. What I do see is you and some others ignoring every piece of evidence that comes out in this story and sticking to your criminal negligence meme regardless. "He should have landed in a place with less people" "Oh, it was the least populous place on the beach, and a small miracle that only two were hurt so badly? Well, he should have landed on water." "Oh, he did land on water, despite the much greater risk to himself and his passenger that entailed? Well, he didn't land deep enough into the water! Yeah, that's the ticket!" |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 5:12:57 AM EDT
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I don't see anythign resembling a "pilot's thin blue line" here. What I do see is you and some others ignoring every piece of evidence that comes out in this story and sticking to your criminal negligence meme regardless. "He should have landed in a place with less people" "Oh, it was the least populous place on the beach, and a small miracle that only two were hurt so badly? Well, he should have landed on water." "Oh, he did land on water, despite the much greater risk to himself and his passenger that entailed? Well, he didn't land deep enough into the water! Yeah, that's the ticket!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you have a flat, you had better man up, and put it into the guardrail. Versus crashing into a full playground? Damn straight. No, bullshit. No matter what, because there might be someone you don't see. Only a coward would take that chance. Any groundlings have any ideas what we can call the pilot's Thin Blue Line? I don't see anythign resembling a "pilot's thin blue line" here. What I do see is you and some others ignoring every piece of evidence that comes out in this story and sticking to your criminal negligence meme regardless. "He should have landed in a place with less people" "Oh, it was the least populous place on the beach, and a small miracle that only two were hurt so badly? Well, he should have landed on water." "Oh, he did land on water, despite the much greater risk to himself and his passenger that entailed? Well, he didn't land deep enough into the water! Yeah, that's the ticket!" From the pilot: 
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Posted: 8/19/2014 5:24:50 AM EDT
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From the pilot: http://wfla.images.worldnow.com/images/4339445_G.jpg http://wfla.images.worldnow.com/images/4339446_G.jpg Important parts: "on the shore" "rest on the waters edge" Dude killed that kid and her dad to save his worthless hide. You completely ignored the part where he identified a section of beach that he observed to be empty and like a dog with a bone jump right on the little bits that support your hysterical position even though the additional information from the NTSB, which does not contradict anything in the letter, only disproves your position. Perhaps you and some like minded folks can start a Million Groundling March and demand common sense aviation regulations. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 5:30:25 AM EDT
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You completely ignored the part where he identified a section of beach that he observed to be empty and like a dog with a bone jump right on the little bits that support your hysterical position even though the additional information from the NTSB, which does not contradict anything in the letter, only disproves your position. Perhaps you and some like minded folks can start a Million Groundling March and demand common sense aviation regulations. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/19/2014 5:32:05 AM EDT
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Yes, it is hysterical to think flying your neighbor around on a sightseeing tour is worth these two people's lives: http://3b4efb995be6c5c64252-c03f075f8191fb4e60e74b907071aee8.r12.cf1.rackcdn.com/1836366_1406638984.6737_multi.jpg hys·ter·i·cal hi'sterik?l/ adjective adjective: hysterical 1. deriving from or affected by uncontrolled extreme emotion. "hysterical laughter" synonyms:overwrought, overemotional, out of control, frenzied, frantic, wild, feverish, crazed; More beside oneself, driven to distraction, distraught, agitated, berserk, manic, delirious, unhinged, deranged, out of one's mind, raving; informalin a state 2. Psychiatry relating to, associated with, or suffering from hysteria. "the doctor thinks the condition is partly hysterical" |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 5:36:33 AM EDT
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"Show us on the doll where the bad pilot touched you."
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Posted: 8/19/2014 5:39:35 AM EDT
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hys·ter·i·cal hi'sterik?l/ adjective adjective: hysterical 1. deriving from or affected by uncontrolled extreme emotion. "hysterical laughter" synonyms:overwrought, overemotional, out of control, frenzied, frantic, wild, feverish, crazed; More beside oneself, driven to distraction, distraught, agitated, berserk, manic, delirious, unhinged, deranged, out of one's mind, raving; informalin a state 2. Psychiatry relating to, associated with, or suffering from hysteria. "the doctor thinks the condition is partly hysterical" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes, it is hysterical to think flying your neighbor around on a sightseeing tour is worth these two people's lives: http://3b4efb995be6c5c64252-c03f075f8191fb4e60e74b907071aee8.r12.cf1.rackcdn.com/1836366_1406638984.6737_multi.jpg hys·ter·i·cal hi'sterik?l/ adjective adjective: hysterical 1. deriving from or affected by uncontrolled extreme emotion. "hysterical laughter" synonyms:overwrought, overemotional, out of control, frenzied, frantic, wild, feverish, crazed; More beside oneself, driven to distraction, distraught, agitated, berserk, manic, delirious, unhinged, deranged, out of one's mind, raving; informalin a state 2. Psychiatry relating to, associated with, or suffering from hysteria. "the doctor thinks the condition is partly hysterical" Want to know why I'm heated about it? Because I can see myself with my daughter playing in the surf. To lose my life and my kid's life because someone was basically showing off for his neighbor, a sightseeing tour....is bullshit. You guys are looking at it from the perspective of the pilot, I'm looking at it at the perspective of the victims. Dude should have ditched it far from any people. He saw people and still decided to risk landing near them....and you pilots are expecting me to take on that risk. Fuck that. Auger your toy into the sea or into a dune, but leave me the fuck out of it. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 5:48:02 AM EDT
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Want to know why I'm heated about it? Because I can see myself with my daughter playing in the surf. To lose my life and my kid's life because someone was basically showing off for his neighbor, a sightseeing tour....is bullshit. You guys are looking at it from the perspective of the pilot, I'm looking at it at the perspective of the victims. Dude should have ditched it far from any people. He saw people and still decided to risk landing near them....and you pilots are expecting me to take on that risk. Fuck that. Auger your toy into the sea or into a dune, but leave me the fuck out of it. Per his letter you posted he saw an open stretch of beach on which to land. Forget pilot vs non-pilot. This is basic risk management, two souls on board versus what appears to be open beach. Only an overly emotional person would say that the two people should just kill themselves because there is a chance that someone else may get injured. Just because there is a bad outcome doesn't mean that the action was negligent or incorrect. Sometimes unfortunate things happen. |
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Per his letter you posted he saw an open stretch of beach on which to land. Forget pilot vs non-pilot. This is basic risk management, two souls on board versus what appears to be open beach. Only an overly emotional person would say that the two people should just kill themselves because there is a chance that someone else may get injured. Just because there is a bad outcome doesn't mean that the action was negligent or incorrect. Sometimes unfortunate things happen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Want to know why I'm heated about it? Because I can see myself with my daughter playing in the surf. To lose my life and my kid's life because someone was basically showing off for his neighbor, a sightseeing tour....is bullshit. You guys are looking at it from the perspective of the pilot, I'm looking at it at the perspective of the victims. Dude should have ditched it far from any people. He saw people and still decided to risk landing near them....and you pilots are expecting me to take on that risk. Fuck that. Auger your toy into the sea or into a dune, but leave me the fuck out of it. Per his letter you posted he saw an open stretch of beach on which to land. Forget pilot vs non-pilot. This is basic risk management, two souls on board versus what appears to be open beach. Only an overly emotional person would say that the two people should just kill themselves because there is a chance that someone else may get injured. Just because there is a bad outcome doesn't mean that the action was negligent or incorrect. Sometimes unfortunate things happen. Yeah yeah, you gotta break some eggs if you want an omelet. |
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