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Posted: 7/27/2014 10:28:42 PM EDT
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McVeigh was executed less than 74 months after his crime. That's a long time but it was HALF the average time of a death row inmate. Considering the magnitude of his crime and the many conspiracy theories floating around it seems suspicious. McVeigh was not just a criminal; he was evidence and should have been preserved.
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Posted: 7/27/2014 10:37:01 PM EDT
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http://www.911omissionreport.com/okc/truck1.gif I always found this picture pretty fascinating. I've never seen this picture before. Where was this taken? All I've been able to find is that it was taken by an "anonymous" small plane pilot who was flying over an Army post early in the month of April in 1995. Supposedly this Army post was in OK halfway between OKC and Elohim City. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 10:37:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FBI and ATF agents weren't in that day, but secretaries and office people were. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The whole thing with OKC is that it was a template for the anti-Patriot agenda. Even though a Middle Eastern Terrorist cell executed the operation, the blame was placed on white people associated with patriotism, people who were upset with what happened at Waco, and generally distrusting of government. The FBI and other agencies had heard chatter from Middle Eastern illegals in the US saying they had recruited "two lily whites", and were planning on bombing a Federal Building. Within circles where some of this can be discussed openly as part of the job, they claim they didn't know which building was being targeted, and were more focused on the D.C./New York and surrounding areas. When the local FBI OKC Fed Building agents who were in contact with Jayna Davis saw the video surveillance her PI obtained of Hussein al Hussain "John Doe #2", they demanded the original video product, to which she refused, giving them only a copy. They had been surveilling him as well, and recognized him immediately. This was the trigger man. Also take note that the same Modus Operandi was used between OKC and WTC 1993 bombings, namely Ryder trucks and a certain type of device that I will not detail. I got my info on the device from a post blast analysis of it that was disseminated in the Special Forces Engineer Sergeant Course, from a senior 18C who had received that info. There were numerous buildings in OKC that were leveled since they had older construction methods used, and many were not even on the same street. The map of that information is very difficult to locate, but gives you a hint of what they used. The Clinton WH turned it into an anti-US opportunity, anti-right wing, and even blamed Rush Limbaugh for stirring McVeigh types up over the radio, when it was really an entirely different matter altogether. Never let a good crisis go to waste. this is pretty much the concensus of high ranking LEO's that I have spent time with discussing the case. this is also what I believe to be the case as well. Was the ATF branch empty, or did they lose agents? The way I remeber it from the book is there was lots of people that should have been there that wern't. FBI and ATF agents weren't in that day, but secretaries and office people were. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 10:44:09 PM EDT
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- FBI and ATF agents weren't in that day, but secretaries and office people were. The feds knew what was going down, and allowed it to happen. Along the same lines, if a handful of feds either knew or suspected what was going down, they allowed it to happen to other feds and their families. Seems unlikely all the ATF offices would be empty that day. ETA: I'd never heard the FBI bit... but another poster mentioned below that there were no FBI offices. Which would make sense, of course. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 10:44:35 PM EDT
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All I've been able to find is that it was taken by an "anonymous" small plane pilot who was flying over an Army post early in the month of April in 1995. Supposedly this Army post was in OK halfway between OKC and Elohim City. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.911omissionreport.com/okc/truck1.gif I always found this picture pretty fascinating. I've never seen this picture before. Where was this taken? All I've been able to find is that it was taken by an "anonymous" small plane pilot who was flying over an Army post early in the month of April in 1995. Supposedly this Army post was in OK halfway between OKC and Elohim City. Source These photos are purported to be of an area near Camp Gruber-Braggs, Oklahoma in early April of 1995. Needless to say, just days after this photo was taken, the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City was destroyed |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 10:44:50 PM EDT
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It really gets fun when you start comparing names from Iran-Contra to names that popped up during OKC... I knew some guys in the late '80's/early '90's who I'm pretty sure were government stooges, heavily involved in Iran-Contra and Tom Posey's Civilian Military Assistance... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the Trentadue case is just one of the 4-5 bizarre entanglements of the OKC bombing. I've studied all aspects of the OKC bombing since I worked the aftermath of it. Trentadue, Nichols involvement with Abu Sayyaf, the Iraqqi's, the White Supremcists, Elohim City- all bizarre but have significant plausibility. McVeigh and Nichols didn't do it alone. we will never know the truth. It really gets fun when you start comparing names from Iran-Contra to names that popped up during OKC... I knew some guys in the late '80's/early '90's who I'm pretty sure were government stooges, heavily involved in Iran-Contra and Tom Posey's Civilian Military Assistance... I know. the usual suspects of international intrigue appear. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 10:46:16 PM EDT
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I prosecuted a guy that was in the same unit as McVeigh for years, including the first Gulf War. I started looking into the unit's wartime events and history because of some sentencing issues (defendant claimed he was a war hero), and eventually ran into some REALLY strange roadblocks. I.e., sealed records, missing transcripts and exhibits, and a senior FBI agent telling me (a federal prosecutor) to stop asking questions and let the issue drop. not surprising at all. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 10:50:20 PM EDT
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http://www.911omissionreport.com/okc/truck1.gif I always found this picture pretty fascinating. I've never seen this picture before. Where was this taken? All I've been able to find is that it was taken by an "anonymous" small plane pilot who was flying over an Army post early in the month of April in 1995. Supposedly this Army post was in OK halfway between OKC and Elohim City. Source These photos are purported to be of an area near Camp Gruber-Braggs, Oklahoma in early April of 1995. Needless to say, just days after this photo was taken, the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City was destroyed Ryder trucks aren't exactly uncommon for moving big/heavy/large items, even if used in corporate/government contracts. Heck, this is from the day what remained of the Murrah building was demolished (from Wikipedia): 
Seems kinda fast to knock it down after a month... But point being that Ryder trucks being used to haul big things doesn't necessarily indicate anything either one way or the other. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 10:52:57 PM EDT
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McVeigh was executed less than 74 months after his crime. That's a long time but it was HALF the average time of a death row inmate. Considering the magnitude of his crime and the many conspiracy theories floating around it seems suspicious. McVeigh was not just a criminal; he was evidence and should have been preserved. to a lot of Oklahomans, that execution time from his sentencing date was the evidence alone that the .gov wanted to silence him and that there was more to the story. no one gets the needle in that short amount of time. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 10:53:33 PM EDT
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All I've been able to find is that it was taken by an "anonymous" small plane pilot who was flying over an Army post early in the month of April in 1995. Supposedly this Army post was in OK halfway between OKC and Elohim City. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.911omissionreport.com/okc/truck1.gif I always found this picture pretty fascinating. I've never seen this picture before. Where was this taken? All I've been able to find is that it was taken by an "anonymous" small plane pilot who was flying over an Army post early in the month of April in 1995. Supposedly this Army post was in OK halfway between OKC and Elohim City. Gruber I believe? which is now a large facility with urban training set ups. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 10:55:21 PM EDT
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to a lot of Oklahomans, that execution time from his sentencing date was the evidence alone that the .gov wanted to silence him and that there was more to the story. no one gets the needle in that short amount of time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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McVeigh was executed less than 74 months after his crime. That's a long time but it was HALF the average time of a death row inmate. Considering the magnitude of his crime and the many conspiracy theories floating around it seems suspicious. McVeigh was not just a criminal; he was evidence and should have been preserved. to a lot of Oklahomans, that execution time from his sentencing date was the evidence alone that the .gov wanted to silence him and that there was more to the story. no one gets the needle in that short amount of time. Precisely my point. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 10:55:31 PM EDT
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I prosecuted a guy that was in the same unit as McVeigh for years, including the first Gulf War. I started looking into the unit's wartime events and history because of some sentencing issues (defendant claimed he was a war hero), and eventually ran into some REALLY strange roadblocks. I.e., sealed records, missing transcripts and exhibits, and a senior FBI agent telling me (a federal prosecutor) to stop asking questions and let the issue drop. Best case scenario might be there's somebody in the unit who let some discipline slide and put up with McVeigh when he was just a boot - and going through records would find such things and thus it's for protection of some officer who's since left the unit who could've stopped McVeigh years in advance. Even in a best-case scenario, that's creepy as fuck. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 10:57:43 PM EDT
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McVeigh was executed less than 74 months after his crime. That's a long time but it was HALF the average time of a death row inmate. Considering the magnitude of his crime and the many conspiracy theories floating around it seems suspicious. McVeigh was not just a criminal; he was evidence and should have been preserved. to a lot of Oklahomans, that execution time from his sentencing date was the evidence alone that the .gov wanted to silence him and that there was more to the story. no one gets the needle in that short amount of time. Precisely my point. The pic higher up in the thread is the building knocked down a mere month later. Also seems kinda quick, considering the amount of time and analysis that's gone into terrorist incidents since then. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 10:57:51 PM EDT
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McVeigh was executed less than 74 months after his crime. That's a long time but it was HALF the average time of a death row inmate. Considering the magnitude of his crime and the many conspiracy theories floating around it seems suspicious. McVeigh was not just a criminal; he was evidence and should have been preserved. to a lot of Oklahomans, that execution time from his sentencing date was the evidence alone that the .gov wanted to silence him and that there was more to the story. no one gets the needle in that short amount of time. Precisely my point. The guy killed what, 168 people? That won't lead to a typical trial or death penalty. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 10:59:55 PM EDT
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here is a list of the victims.
I remember some of their faces on that day. if you notice ATF and FBI agents/personnel are pretty scarce. Victims of the Oklahoma City bombing A list, by floor and location, of those killed in the Oklahoma City bombing on April 19, 1995: NINTH FLOOR Drug Enforcement Administration Shelly D. Bland, 25, of Tuttle Carrol June "Chip" Fields, 48, Guthrie Rona Linn Kuehner-Chafey, 35, Oklahoma City Carrie Ann Lenz, 26, Chotaw Kenneth Glenn McCullough, 36, Edmond U.S. Secret Service Cynthia L. Brown, 26, Oklahoma City Donald Ray Leonard, 50, Edmond Mickey B. Maroney, 50, Oklahoma City Linda G. McKinney, 47, Oklahoma City Kathy Lynn Seidl, 39, Bethel Alan G. Whicher, 40, Edmond EIGHTH FLOOR U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development Ted L. Allen, 48, Norman Peter R. Avillanoza, 56, Oklahoma City David Neil Burkett, 47, Oklahoma City Donald Earl Burns, Sr., 63, Oklahoma City Kimberly Kay Clark, 39, Oklahoma City Susan Jane Ferrell, 37, Oklahoma City Dr. George Michael Howard, 45, Vallejo, Calif. Antonio "Tony" C. Reyes, 55, Edmond Lanny Lee David Scroggins, 46, Yukon Leora Lee Sells, 57, Oklahoma City Jules A. Valdez, 51, Edmond David Jack Walker, 54, Edmond Michael D. Weaver, 54, Edmond Frances "Fran" Ann Williams, 48, Oklahoma City Clarence Eugene Wilson, Sr. 49, Oklahoma SEVENTH FLOOR U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development Diane E. (Hollingsworth) Althouse, 45, Edmond Andrea Yvette Blanton, 33, Oklahoma City Kim R. Cousins, 33, Midwest City Diana Lynne Day, 38, Oklahoma City Castine Brooks Hearn Deveroux, 49, Oklahoma City Judy J. (Froh) Fisher, 45, Oklahoma City Linda Louise Florence, 43, Oklahoma City J. Colleen Guiles, 59, Oklahoma City Thompson Eugene "Gene" Hodges, Jr., 54, Norman Ann Kreymborg, 57, Oklahoma City Teresa Lea Taylor Lauderdale, 41, Shawnee Mary Leasure-Rentie, 39, Bethany James A. McCarthy II, 53, Edmond Betsy J. (Beebe) McGonnell, 47, Norman Patricia Ann Nix, 47, Edmond Terry Smith Rees, 41, Midwest City John Thomas Stewart, 51, Oklahoma City John Karl Van Ess III, 67, Chickasha Jo Ann Whittenberg, 35, Oklahoma City SIXTH FLOOR U.S. Marine Corps Recruiting Sgt. Benjamin LaRanzo Davis, USMC, 29, Edmond Capt. Randolph A. Guzman, USMC, 28, Castro Valley, Calif. FIFTH FLOOR U.S. Department of Agriculture Olen Burl Bloomer, 61, Moore James E. Boles, 50, Oklahoma City Dr. Margaret L. "Peggy" Clark, 42, Chickasha Richard "Dick" Cummins, 55, Mustang Doris "Adele" Higginbottom, 44, Oklahoma City Carole Sue Khalil, 50, Oklahoma City Rheta Bender Long, 60, Oklahoma City U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development Paul Gregory Beatty Broxterman, 42, Edmond U.S. Customs Office Paul D. Ice, 42, Midwest City Claude Authur Medearis, S.S.A., 41, Norman FOURTH FLOOR U.S. Department of Transportation/Federal Highway Lucio Aleman, Jr., 33, Oklahoma City Mark Allen Bolte, 28, Oklahoma City Michael Carrillo, 44, Oklahoma City Larry James Jones, 46. Yukon James K. Martin, 34, Oklahoma City Ronota Ann Newberry-Woodbridge, 31, Edmond Jerry Lee Parker, 45, Norman Michelle A. Reeder, 33, Oklahoma City Rick L. Tomlin, 46, Piedmont Johnny Allen Wade, 42, Edmond John A. Youngblood, 52, Yukon U.S. Army Recruiting Battalion Sgt. 1st Class Lola Bolden, U.S. Army, 40, Birmingham, Ala. Karen Gist Carr, 32, Midwest City Peggy Louise Holland, 37, Oklahoma City John C. Moss III., 50, Oklahoma City Victoria (Vickey) L. Sohn, 36, Moore Dolores (Dee) Stratton, 51, Moore Kayla Marie Titsworth, 3.50, Lawton Wanda Lee Watkins, 49, Oklahoma City THIRD FLOOR Defense Security Service Harley Richard Cottingham, 46, Oklahoma City Peter L. DeMaster, 44, Oklahoma City Norma "Jean" Johnson, 62, Oklahoma City Larry L. Turner, 42, Oklahoma City Robert G. Westberry, 57, Oklahoma City Federal Employees Credit Union Woodrow Clifford "Woody" Brady, 41, Oklahoma City Kimberly Ruth Burgess, 29, Oklahoma City Kathy A. Finley, 44, Yukon Jamie (Fialkowski) Genzer, 32, Wellston Sheila R. Gigger-Driver, 28, Oklahoma City Linda Coleen Housley, 53, Oklahoma City Robbin Ann Huff, 37, Bethany Christi Yolanda Jenkins, 32, Edmond Alvin J. Justes, 54, Oklahoma City Valerie Jo Koelsch, 33, Oklahoma City Kathy Cagle Leinen, 47, Oklahoma City Claudette (Duke) Meek, 43, Oklahoma City Frankie Ann Merrell, 23, Oklahoma City Jill Diane Randolph, 27, Oklahoma City Claudine Ritter, 48, Oklahoma City Christy Rosas, 22, Moore Sonja Lynn Sanders, 27, Moore Karan Howell Shepherd, 27, Moore Victoria Jeanette Texter, 37, Oklahoma City Virginia M. Thompson, 56, El Reno Tresia Jo "Mathes" Worton, 28, Oklahoma City SECOND FLOOR America's Kids Child Development Center Baylee Almon, 1, Oklahoma City Danielle Nicole Bell, 15 months, Oklahoma City Zachary Taylor Chavez, 3, Oklahoma City Dana LeAnne Cooper, 24, Moore Anthony Christopher Cooper II, 2, Moore Antonio Ansara Cooper Jr., 6 months, Midwest City Aaron M. Coverdale, 5.50, Oklahoma City Elijah S. Coverdale, 2.50, Oklahoma City Jaci Rae Coyne, 14 months, Moore Brenda Faye Daniels, 42, Oklahoma City Taylor Santoi Eaves, 8 months, Midwest City Tevin D'Aundrae Garrett, 16 months, Midwest City Kevin "Lee" Gottshall II, 6 months, Norman Wanda Lee Howell, 34, Spencer Blake Ryan Kennedy, 1.50, Amber Dominique Ravae (Johnson)-London, 2, Oklahoma City Chase Dalton Smith, 3, Oklahoma City Colton Wade Smith, 2, Oklahoma City VISITOR Scott D. Williams, 24, Tuttle FIRST FLOOR Social Security Administration Teresa Antionette Alexander, 33, Oklahoma City Richard A. Allen, 46, Oklahoma City Pamela Cleveland Argo, 36, Oklahoma City Saundra G. (Sandy) Avery, 34, Midwest City Calvin Battle, 62, Oklahoma City Peola Battle, 56, Oklahoma City Oleta C. Biddy, 54, Tuttle Casandra Kay Booker, 25, Oklahoma City Carol Louise Bowers, 53, Yukon Peachlyn Bradley, 3, Oklahoma City Gabreon D.L. Bruce, 3 months, Oklahoma City Katherine Louise Cregan, 60, Oklahoma City Ashley Megan Eckles, 4, Guthrie Don Fritzler, 64, Oklahoma City Mary Anne Fritzler, 57, Oklahoma City Laura Jane Garrison, 61, Oklahoma City Margaret Betterton Goodson, 54, Oklahoma City Ethel L. Griffin, 55, Edmond Cheryl E. Hammon, 44, Oklahoma City Ronald Vernon Harding, Sr., 55, Oklahoma City Thomas Lynn Hawthorne, Sr., 52, Choctaw Dr. Charles E. Hurlburt, 73, Oklahoma City Jean Nutting Hurlburt, 67, Oklahoma City Raymond "Lee" Johnson, 59, Oklahoma City LaKesha Richardson Levy, 21, Midwest City Aurelia Donna Luster, 43, Guthrie Robert Lee Luster, Jr., 45, Guthrie Rev. Gilbert X. Martinez, 35, Oklahoma City Cartney J. McRaven, 19, Midwest City Derwin W. Miller, 27, Oklahoma City Eula Leigh Mitchell, 64, Oklahoma City Emilio Tapia, 50, Oklahoma City Charlotte Andrea Lewis Thomas, 43, Oklahoma City Michael George Thompson, 47, Yukon LaRue A. Treanor, 55, Guthrie Luther H. Treanor, 61, Guthrie Robert N. Walker, Jr., 52, Oklahoma City Julie Marie Welch, 23, Oklahoma City W. Stephen Williams, 42, Cashion Sharon Louise Wood-Chesnut, 47, Oklahoma City General Services Administration Steven Douglas Curry, 44, Norman Michael L. Loudenslager, 48, Harrah THOSE KILLED IN SURROUNDING AREA Rescue Worker Rebecca Needham Anderson, 37, Midwest City Athenian Building (Job Corps) Anita Christine Hightower, 27, Oklahoma City Kathryn Elizabeth Ridley, 24, Oklahoma City Oklahoma Water Resources Board Building Robert N. Chipman, 51, Edmond Trudy Jean Rigney, 31, Midwest City Copyright 2001 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. 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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:02:05 PM EDT
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The guy killed what, 168 people? That won't lead to a typical trial or death penalty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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McVeigh was executed less than 74 months after his crime. That's a long time but it was HALF the average time of a death row inmate. Considering the magnitude of his crime and the many conspiracy theories floating around it seems suspicious. McVeigh was not just a criminal; he was evidence and should have been preserved. to a lot of Oklahomans, that execution time from his sentencing date was the evidence alone that the .gov wanted to silence him and that there was more to the story. no one gets the needle in that short amount of time. Precisely my point. The guy killed what, 168 people? That won't lead to a typical trial or death penalty. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is still alive 13 years after his crime of killing almost 3000 people. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:02:48 PM EDT
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one thing that was asked repeatedly, was why FBI and ATF personnel were minimally accounted for in casualties and the public received the answers that " they are not office people and not suppose to be at a desk".
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:04:36 PM EDT
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McVeigh was executed less than 74 months after his crime. That's a long time but it was HALF the average time of a death row inmate. Considering the magnitude of his crime and the many conspiracy theories floating around it seems suspicious. McVeigh was not just a criminal; he was evidence and should have been preserved. to a lot of Oklahomans, that execution time from his sentencing date was the evidence alone that the .gov wanted to silence him and that there was more to the story. no one gets the needle in that short amount of time. Precisely my point. It may be your point, but I hardly see the significance in it. If there is a conspiracy and things are not as they were presented by .gov, McVeigh had 74 months to come clean about everything. That is a long fucking time when you're sitting alone in a cell. If there was a conspiracy surrounding the OKC Bombing, this is not what I would consider a smoking gun proving that fact. If he hadn't talked in that length of time, chances are he wouldn't have talked even if it were double that time. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:06:38 PM EDT
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The guy killed what, 168 people? That won't lead to a typical trial or death penalty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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to a lot of Oklahomans, that execution time from his sentencing date was the evidence alone that the .gov wanted to silence him and that there was more to the story. no one gets the needle in that short amount of time. Precisely my point. The guy killed what, 168 people? That won't lead to a typical trial or death penalty. Typical? Hell yes. Some men have been on death row for decades during their endless appeals. What's the next shortest trial-to-execution you can find in Oklahoma? In any state?? (Besides Texas  )
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:07:10 PM EDT
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a lot of people believe that McV and Nichols were in on the plan with .gov operators and slipped the surveillance, going Lone Wolf. the .gov agencies knew the lost them and didn't put a ABP or BOLO out to LEO's to try and take them down before it could happen.
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:08:08 PM EDT
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I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks that the FBI/ATF/whatever federal agency knew the bombing was going to happen and let it happen but kept their agents home is living in a fool's paradise.
I could possibly buy that McVeigh and Nichols were backed by AQ from the Philippines and federal investigators didn't even bother to look at that line of thinking because it didn't fit with the case they were trying to build, but do you have any concept of how MANY people would have to know in order to keep the FBI and ATF agents out of the office? And you think our federal government, that same government that leaks like a fucking SEIVE most of the time, could keep that a secret? Come on, get real. Any conspiracy that rests on the efficiency and intelligence of people in the federal government is fucked from the start. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:10:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks that the FBI/ATF/whatever federal agency knew the bombing was going to happen and let it happen but kept their agents home is living in a fool's paradise. I could possibly buy that McVeigh and Nichols were backed by AQ from the Philippines and federal investigators didn't even bother to look at that line of thinking because it didn't fit with the case they were trying to build, but do you have any concept of how MANY people would have to know in order to keep the FBI and ATF agents out of the office? And you think our federal government, that same government that leaks like a fucking SEIVE most of the time, could keep that a secret? Come on, get real. Any conspiracy that rests on the efficiency and intelligence of people in the federal government is fucked from the start. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:12:14 PM EDT
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Nobody knew about stealth helos until one got wrecked in public. Almost nobody in the public knew about Fast and Furious until Brian Terry got killed. Nobody knew about us selling weapons to ISIS until they whacked our ambassador. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks that the FBI/ATF/whatever federal agency knew the bombing was going to happen and let it happen but kept their agents home is living in a fool's paradise. I could possibly buy that McVeigh and Nichols were backed by AQ from the Philippines and federal investigators didn't even bother to look at that line of thinking because it didn't fit with the case they were trying to build, but do you have any concept of how MANY people would have to know in order to keep the FBI and ATF agents out of the office? And you think our federal government, that same government that leaks like a fucking SEIVE most of the time, could keep that a secret? Come on, get real. Any conspiracy that rests on the efficiency and intelligence of people in the federal government is fucked from the start. 
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:14:40 PM EDT
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I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks that the FBI/ATF/whatever federal agency knew the bombing was going to happen and let it happen but kept their agents home is living in a fool's paradise. I could possibly buy that McVeigh and Nichols were backed by AQ from the Philippines and federal investigators didn't even bother to look at that line of thinking because it didn't fit with the case they were trying to build, but do you have any concept of how MANY people would have to know in order to keep the FBI and ATF agents out of the office? And you think our federal government, that same government that leaks like a fucking SEIVE most of the time, could keep that a secret? Come on, get real. Any conspiracy that rests on the efficiency and intelligence of people in the federal government is fucked from the start. This is what I'm going with. That's why a lot of these theories never really see the light of day in legitimate circles. These nutjobs get ahold of some reliable evidence and then "crazy it up" with reports of EM Beam Weapons from space and all sorts of other nonsense. I'd almost be willing to bet McVeigh got training from an outside source. Anything more than that just doesn't really hold water. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:16:39 PM EDT
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I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks that the FBI/ATF/whatever federal agency knew the bombing was going to happen and let it happen but kept their agents home is living in a fool's paradise. I could possibly buy that McVeigh and Nichols were backed by AQ from the Philippines and federal investigators didn't even bother to look at that line of thinking because it didn't fit with the case they were trying to build, but do you have any concept of how MANY people would have to know in order to keep the FBI and ATF agents out of the office? And you think our federal government, that same government that leaks like a fucking SEIVE most of the time, could keep that a secret? Come on, get real. Any conspiracy that rests on the efficiency and intelligence of people in the federal government is fucked from the start. dude. I lived there. worked it. saw the weird shit happening that day. I knew a shit ton of people who investigated it and some of them to be frank were in fear of their lives. I have studied this for thousands of hours of my life, along with other people who worked that day. every. single. one- thinks the FBI and ATF were involved and this comes from LEO's, Medical Personnel and family members. take a look at the list of KIA from that day.... |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:17:21 PM EDT
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I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks that the FBI/ATF/whatever federal agency knew the bombing was going to happen and let it happen but kept their agents home is living in a fool's paradise. I could possibly buy that McVeigh and Nichols were backed by AQ from the Philippines and federal investigators didn't even bother to look at that line of thinking because it didn't fit with the case they were trying to build, but do you have any concept of how MANY people would have to know in order to keep the FBI and ATF agents out of the office? And you think our federal government, that same government that leaks like a fucking SEIVE most of the time, could keep that a secret? Come on, get real. Any conspiracy that rests on the efficiency and intelligence of people in the federal government is fucked from the start. And all of those things have nothing in common with the intentional killing of 168 people. Not to even mention that last time I checked it wasn't ISIS in Benghazi, I have no idea where you're getting that information. Everything you listed can be construed as normal activity for our government and gives nobody that is "in the know" any reason to speak out about it. I think you can be rest assured if people in .gov knew about an intentional plot to bomb an occupied federal building, somebody would spill the beans. No way in hell that stays quiet. (Short of killing everybody who had this information.) |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:18:17 PM EDT
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I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks that the FBI/ATF/whatever federal agency knew the bombing was going to happen and let it happen but kept their agents home is living in a fool's paradise. I could possibly buy that McVeigh and Nichols were backed by AQ from the Philippines and federal investigators didn't even bother to look at that line of thinking because it didn't fit with the case they were trying to build, but do you have any concept of how MANY people would have to know in order to keep the FBI and ATF agents out of the office? And you think our federal government, that same government that leaks like a fucking SEIVE most of the time, could keep that a secret? Come on, get real. Any conspiracy that rests on the efficiency and intelligence of people in the federal government is fucked from the start. And care to guess why no one from the FBI died in the building? Because they didn't office out of that building. There goes that conspiracy bullshit. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:22:18 PM EDT
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dude. I lived there. worked it. saw the weird shit happening that day. I knew a shit ton of people who investigated it and some of them to be frank were in fear of their lives. I have studied this for thousands of hours of my life, along with other people who worked that day. every. single. one- thinks the FBI and ATF were involved and this comes from LEO's, Medical Personnel and family members. take a look at the list of KIA from that day.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks that the FBI/ATF/whatever federal agency knew the bombing was going to happen and let it happen but kept their agents home is living in a fool's paradise. I could possibly buy that McVeigh and Nichols were backed by AQ from the Philippines and federal investigators didn't even bother to look at that line of thinking because it didn't fit with the case they were trying to build, but do you have any concept of how MANY people would have to know in order to keep the FBI and ATF agents out of the office? And you think our federal government, that same government that leaks like a fucking SEIVE most of the time, could keep that a secret? Come on, get real. Any conspiracy that rests on the efficiency and intelligence of people in the federal government is fucked from the start. dude. I lived there. worked it. saw the weird shit happening that day. I knew a shit ton of people who investigated it and some of them to be frank were in fear of their lives. I have studied this for thousands of hours of my life, along with other people who worked that day. every. single. one- thinks the FBI and ATF were involved and this comes from LEO's, Medical Personnel and family members. take a look at the list of KIA from that day.... Well, what is your theory as to what happened? I've explored a few of these "conspiracy sites" since I started reading this thread and a lot of the stuff on there is way out in left field bat shit crazy. Do you just think that certain people knew what was going to happen and did nothing to stop it? Do you think the federal government actually sponsored McVeigh and other unknown conspirators giving them the means and tools to carry out the attack? I've seen one too many references to EM Beam Weapons and other crazy shit to even try sorting through the bullshit contained on the majority of these sites. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:26:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And all of those things have nothing in common with the intentional killing of 168 people. Not to even mention that last time I checked it wasn't ISIS in Benghazi, I have no idea where you're getting that information. Everything you listed can be construed as normal activity for our government and gives nobody that is "in the know" any reason to speak out about it. I think you can be rest assured if people in .gov knew about an intentional plot to bomb an occupied federal building, somebody would spill the beans. No way in hell that stays quiet. (Short of killing everybody who had this information.) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks that the FBI/ATF/whatever federal agency knew the bombing was going to happen and let it happen but kept their agents home is living in a fool's paradise. I could possibly buy that McVeigh and Nichols were backed by AQ from the Philippines and federal investigators didn't even bother to look at that line of thinking because it didn't fit with the case they were trying to build, but do you have any concept of how MANY people would have to know in order to keep the FBI and ATF agents out of the office? And you think our federal government, that same government that leaks like a fucking SEIVE most of the time, could keep that a secret? Come on, get real. Any conspiracy that rests on the efficiency and intelligence of people in the federal government is fucked from the start. And all of those things have nothing in common with the intentional killing of 168 people. Not to even mention that last time I checked it wasn't ISIS in Benghazi, I have no idea where you're getting that information. Everything you listed can be construed as normal activity for our government and gives nobody that is "in the know" any reason to speak out about it. I think you can be rest assured if people in .gov knew about an intentional plot to bomb an occupied federal building, somebody would spill the beans. No way in hell that stays quiet. (Short of killing everybody who had this information.) |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:28:35 PM EDT
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And care to guess why no one from the FBI died in the building? Because they didn't office out of that building. There goes that conspiracy bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks that the FBI/ATF/whatever federal agency knew the bombing was going to happen and let it happen but kept their agents home is living in a fool's paradise. I could possibly buy that McVeigh and Nichols were backed by AQ from the Philippines and federal investigators didn't even bother to look at that line of thinking because it didn't fit with the case they were trying to build, but do you have any concept of how MANY people would have to know in order to keep the FBI and ATF agents out of the office? And you think our federal government, that same government that leaks like a fucking SEIVE most of the time, could keep that a secret? Come on, get real. Any conspiracy that rests on the efficiency and intelligence of people in the federal government is fucked from the start. And care to guess why no one from the FBI died in the building? Because they didn't office out of that building. There goes that conspiracy bullshit. There is that, too. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:29:53 PM EDT
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dude. I lived there. worked it. saw the weird shit happening that day. I knew a shit ton of people who investigated it and some of them to be frank were in fear of their lives. I have studied this for thousands of hours of my life, along with other people who worked that day. every. single. one- thinks the FBI and ATF were involved and this comes from LEO's, Medical Personnel and family members. take a look at the list of KIA from that day.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks that the FBI/ATF/whatever federal agency knew the bombing was going to happen and let it happen but kept their agents home is living in a fool's paradise. I could possibly buy that McVeigh and Nichols were backed by AQ from the Philippines and federal investigators didn't even bother to look at that line of thinking because it didn't fit with the case they were trying to build, but do you have any concept of how MANY people would have to know in order to keep the FBI and ATF agents out of the office? And you think our federal government, that same government that leaks like a fucking SEIVE most of the time, could keep that a secret? Come on, get real. Any conspiracy that rests on the efficiency and intelligence of people in the federal government is fucked from the start. dude. I lived there. worked it. saw the weird shit happening that day. I knew a shit ton of people who investigated it and some of them to be frank were in fear of their lives. I have studied this for thousands of hours of my life, along with other people who worked that day. every. single. one- thinks the FBI and ATF were involved and this comes from LEO's, Medical Personnel and family members. take a look at the list of KIA from that day.... Sorry, but the fact you lived there doesn't make you any more privy to supposed top-top-secret government conspiracies than anyone else. In fact, given the general craziness and chaos after an attack like that, I'd expect that people on the ground at the event would be less objective about the facts. And to be frank with you, I don't know you from Adam and I only have your word that you've done all this research or talked to all these people. I've been around this board and the internet in general for a long time and seen a hell of a lot of people misrepresent themselves. Not saying you're one of them, but I am saying I'm not going to take your word for it without knowing you IRL. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:40:51 PM EDT
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And care to guess why no one from the FBI died in the building? Because they didn't office out of that building. There goes that conspiracy bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks that the FBI/ATF/whatever federal agency knew the bombing was going to happen and let it happen but kept their agents home is living in a fool's paradise. I could possibly buy that McVeigh and Nichols were backed by AQ from the Philippines and federal investigators didn't even bother to look at that line of thinking because it didn't fit with the case they were trying to build, but do you have any concept of how MANY people would have to know in order to keep the FBI and ATF agents out of the office? And you think our federal government, that same government that leaks like a fucking SEIVE most of the time, could keep that a secret? Come on, get real. Any conspiracy that rests on the efficiency and intelligence of people in the federal government is fucked from the start. And care to guess why no one from the FBI died in the building? Because they didn't office out of that building. There goes that conspiracy bullshit. that's not entirely true from what I understand. the ATF sure as hell did though. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:43:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're getting warmer. The cop's name is Terrence Yeakey. He just happened to be in the vincinity when the bomb went off. IIRC, he had rescued a few people maybe even a kid or two. Long story short, he was found dead in a field some distance away from his blood soaked vehicle. It appeared that he tried to kill himself by slashing his wrists and his neck. Then crawled out to the middle of this field and shot himself in the head. The gun was never found.  Yeah thats how lots of people commit suicide ..........
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:50:21 PM EDT
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Has anybody brought up KSM's cousin who just happened to have a very similar bomb with an identical delivery method at the WTC? The same guy that just happened to have a bomb making book with AQ literally written all over it. The same guy that was McVeigh's prison buddy. The same guy that was known to be discussing a plot to fly airplanes into buildings.
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:50:26 PM EDT
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that's not entirely true from what I understand. the ATF sure as hell did though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks that the FBI/ATF/whatever federal agency knew the bombing was going to happen and let it happen but kept their agents home is living in a fool's paradise. I could possibly buy that McVeigh and Nichols were backed by AQ from the Philippines and federal investigators didn't even bother to look at that line of thinking because it didn't fit with the case they were trying to build, but do you have any concept of how MANY people would have to know in order to keep the FBI and ATF agents out of the office? And you think our federal government, that same government that leaks like a fucking SEIVE most of the time, could keep that a secret? Come on, get real. Any conspiracy that rests on the efficiency and intelligence of people in the federal government is fucked from the start. And care to guess why no one from the FBI died in the building? Because they didn't office out of that building. There goes that conspiracy bullshit. that's not entirely true from what I understand. the ATF sure as hell did though. The top dog was actually playing golf when it happened. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:53:34 PM EDT
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Am I going to be put on another 'watch list' if I purchase this book? I don't know what happened to the website but I remember reading about a story of a police officer (possibly incorrect) that got his nose a little to far into things and he was chased down while he was heading to Kingfisher. His body was found in some farmers field over by El Reno. There was evidence he was bound and drug out to the field. I believe his death was labeled as a suicide. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not up to speed on the OKC bombing conspiracies. Is it common thought around here that McVeigh carried the bombing out alone? We've covered this in depth before. McVeigh and Nichols were "lily whites" recruited by a Middle Eastern terrorist cell that had been operating in the US. The guy who pulled the initiator on the device in the Ryder was a former Iraqi Republican Guard turned ISI operative who was trained at Salman Pak in Iraq. McVeigh insisted on this information being untouchable when he did his interview with 60 minutes. The Middle Eastern subjects were seen by scores of eye witnesses, to include lawyers who worked in the US Attorney's Office across the street, the Cactus Motel cleaning lady and manager, people in the Federal Building before the bomb detonated, people who saw the men interacting with different business owners in OKC, and the people who lived where the spray-painted yellow Mazda truck was ditched. Read The Third Terrorist, by Jayna Davis if you want more insight into what really went on with that case. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e8/The_Third_Terrorist_cover.jpg Am I going to be put on another 'watch list' if I purchase this book? I don't know what happened to the website but I remember reading about a story of a police officer (possibly incorrect) that got his nose a little to far into things and he was chased down while he was heading to Kingfisher. His body was found in some farmers field over by El Reno. There was evidence he was bound and drug out to the field. I believe his death was labeled as a suicide. I have a copy you can have...IM me your addy. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:54:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a copy you can have...IM me your addy.  |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:56:39 PM EDT
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Sorry, but the fact you lived there doesn't make you any more privy to supposed top-top-secret government conspiracies than anyone else. In fact, given the general craziness and chaos after an attack like that, I'd expect that people on the ground at the event would be less objective about the facts. And to be frank with you, I don't know you from Adam and I only have your word that you've done all this research or talked to all these people. I've been around this board and the internet in general for a long time and seen a hell of a lot of people misrepresent themselves. Not saying you're one of them, but I am saying I'm not going to take your word for it without knowing you IRL. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks that the FBI/ATF/whatever federal agency knew the bombing was going to happen and let it happen but kept their agents home is living in a fool's paradise. I could possibly buy that McVeigh and Nichols were backed by AQ from the Philippines and federal investigators didn't even bother to look at that line of thinking because it didn't fit with the case they were trying to build, but do you have any concept of how MANY people would have to know in order to keep the FBI and ATF agents out of the office? And you think our federal government, that same government that leaks like a fucking SEIVE most of the time, could keep that a secret? Come on, get real. Any conspiracy that rests on the efficiency and intelligence of people in the federal government is fucked from the start. dude. I lived there. worked it. saw the weird shit happening that day. I knew a shit ton of people who investigated it and some of them to be frank were in fear of their lives. I have studied this for thousands of hours of my life, along with other people who worked that day. every. single. one- thinks the FBI and ATF were involved and this comes from LEO's, Medical Personnel and family members. take a look at the list of KIA from that day.... Sorry, but the fact you lived there doesn't make you any more privy to supposed top-top-secret government conspiracies than anyone else. In fact, given the general craziness and chaos after an attack like that, I'd expect that people on the ground at the event would be less objective about the facts. And to be frank with you, I don't know you from Adam and I only have your word that you've done all this research or talked to all these people. I've been around this board and the internet in general for a long time and seen a hell of a lot of people misrepresent themselves. Not saying you're one of them, but I am saying I'm not going to take your word for it without knowing you IRL. not only did I work triage downtown that day but I've been involved in State Bio Terrorism issues brought directly into play from the Bombing and have even given inservices to FBI agents at my own laboratory.so yeah... you could say I have been privy to some info. a lot of people who were "forced" to investigate it due to there own jobs were very concerned for their safety once they began to see oddities in the case that strayed from the portrayed norm. If I open my garage, I can walk 10 ft to a hefty bag that contains the clothes I wore that day to the scene and to this day they still smell of diesel and ammonia, mixed in blood and concrete dust. the people that approached me that day spooked me several times, because they weren't normal LEO and they didn't act like LEO's in the triage. the entire thing went downhill from there with oddities. the facts are too damn spooky to accept by many people. the names of people involved in clandestine operations for the .gov start popping up here and there like a bad Tom Clancy book. I'm not a basement dweller ArfCom member. I actually function in society and am well known in my career by a number of people in all 50 states. I am a firm believer in Occam's Razor and preach it as the first rule of questions and answers. there are a lot of loose ends in this case and many of those loose ends involve .gov officals. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:57:57 PM EDT
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This sure make you wonder. Geezus. Our government has been immoral and corrupt for a long time. If we knew the truth of all the shit they had their hands in, we'd be sick. This country is unrecognizable from just my childhood, I wonder where we will be in 20 more years. 
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I prosecuted a guy that was in the same unit as McVeigh for years, including the first Gulf War. I started looking into the unit's wartime events and history because of some sentencing issues (defendant claimed he was a war hero), and eventually ran into some REALLY strange roadblocks. I.e., sealed records, missing transcripts and exhibits, and a senior FBI agent telling me (a federal prosecutor) to stop asking questions and let the issue drop. This sure make you wonder. Geezus. Our government has been immoral and corrupt for a long time. If we knew the truth of all the shit they had their hands in, we'd be sick. This country is unrecognizable from just my childhood, I wonder where we will be in 20 more years.
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Posted: 7/28/2014 12:00:32 AM EDT
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You're getting warmer. The cop's name is Terrence Yeakey. He just happened to be in the vincinity when the bomb went off. IIRC, he had rescued a few people maybe even a kid or two. Long story short, he was found dead in a field some distance away from his blood soaked vehicle. It appeared that he tried to kill himself by slashing his wrists and his neck. Then crawled out to the middle of this field and shot himself in the head. The gun was never found.
Yeah thats how lots of people commit suicide .......... said no one ever......
I'm watching the documentary and they said he had multiple lacerations to both wrists, both inside elbows, ligature Marks to neck, GSW from high rt head exiting left chin, with no powder burns at the wounds. Deemed a suicide. The bloody knife was found in the glove box. Just before this happened he told a friend he would meet him for dinner right after he dumps the feds following him...... Sounds like a suicide to me |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 1:03:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We don't know what happened with the OKC bombing, and probably never will. Lots of shady shit went on. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 1:06:33 AM EDT
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Not a troofer but people who believe everything the .gov tells them are naive or foolish. this is wisdom... |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 1:09:37 AM EDT
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Not a troofer but people who believe everything the .gov tells them are naive or foolish. this is wisdom... Try telling that to the resident shills that are posting in this thread  Big brother .gov is never wrong in the eyes of some that post here.
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Posted: 7/28/2014 1:11:34 AM EDT
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The whole thing with OKC is that it was a template for the anti-Patriot agenda. Even though a Middle Eastern Terrorist cell executed the operation, the blame was placed on white people associated with patriotism, people who were upset with what happened at Waco, and generally distrusting of government. The FBI and other agencies had heard chatter from Middle Eastern illegals in the US saying they had recruited "two lily whites", and were planning on bombing a Federal Building. Within circles where some of this can be discussed openly as part of the job, they claim they didn't know which building was being targeted, and were more focused on the D.C./New York and surrounding areas. When the local FBI OKC Fed Building agents who were in contact with Jayna Davis saw the video surveillance her PI obtained of Hussein al Hussain "John Doe #2", they demanded the original video product, to which she refused, giving them only a copy. They had been surveilling him as well, and recognized him immediately. This was the trigger man. Also take note that the same Modus Operandi was used between OKC and WTC 1993 bombings, namely Ryder trucks and a certain type of device that I will not detail. I got my info on the device from a post blast analysis of it that was disseminated in the Special Forces Engineer Sergeant Course, from a senior 18C who had received that info. There were numerous buildings in OKC that were leveled since they had older construction methods used, and many were not even on the same street. The map of that information is very difficult to locate, but gives you a hint of what they used. The Clinton WH turned it into an anti-US opportunity, anti-right wing, and even blamed Rush Limbaugh for stirring McVeigh types up over the radio, when it was really an entirely different matter altogether. Never let a good crisis go to waste. pineapple bomb? |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 1:15:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: fucking troofers.  and that makes him a troofer? 13'er |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 1:20:31 AM EDT
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There was a very interesting book written on the OKC bombings years ago. Bottom line....Timothy McVeigh was definately responsible....but he wasn't a "loner" and he had help and training that had ties to Islamic militants. Doesn't say he subscribed to that....but it was where he received the help from (Phillipines) that had common interests. I'd never be surprised to learn White Supremacist types and Islamic radicals would work together. Hell, the Nazis used Islamic types during WWII, so the precedent and common interests are there. the enemy of their enemy is their friend... |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 1:21:23 AM EDT
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The whole thing with OKC is that it was a template for the anti-Patriot agenda. Even though a Middle Eastern Terrorist cell executed the operation, the blame was placed on white people associated with patriotism, people who were upset with what happened at Waco, and generally distrusting of government. The FBI and other agencies had heard chatter from Middle Eastern illegals in the US saying they had recruited "two lily whites", and were planning on bombing a Federal Building. Within circles where some of this can be discussed openly as part of the job, they claim they didn't know which building was being targeted, and were more focused on the D.C./New York and surrounding areas. When the local FBI OKC Fed Building agents who were in contact with Jayna Davis saw the video surveillance her PI obtained of Hussein al Hussain "John Doe #2", they demanded the original video product, to which she refused, giving them only a copy. They had been surveilling him as well, and recognized him immediately. This was the trigger man. Also take note that the same Modus Operandi was used between OKC and WTC 1993 bombings, namely Ryder trucks and a certain type of device that I will not detail. I got my info on the device from a post blast analysis of it that was disseminated in the Special Forces Engineer Sergeant Course, from a senior 18C who had received that info. There were numerous buildings in OKC that were leveled since they had older construction methods used, and many were not even on the same street. The map of that information is very difficult to locate, but gives you a hint of what they used. The Clinton WH turned it into an anti-US opportunity, anti-right wing, and even blamed Rush Limbaugh for stirring McVeigh types up over the radio, when it was really an entirely different matter altogether. Never let a good crisis go to waste. Are you suggesting little Timmy was innocent? he's saying timmy had help... |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 1:22:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: so someone wants to view a video that supposedly shows a second person in the truck, is in the evidence log but the govt wont release it through FOIA. and that makes him a troofer? 13'er Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: fucking troofers. and that makes him a troofer? 13'er At some point questioning how what appears to have been obvious clues were missed crosses over into tinfoiler bullshit, but I don't think it does until you have to make things up to support your theory. JFK may not have died had people that were supposed to pay attention to such things watched Oswald a smidgen closer. 9/11 and Oklahoma City may not have happened had the WTC bombers been investigated a little further. Does missing those clues consist of a conspiracy to let the events happen or just hard lessons we learned in blood we damned sure better not forget? I tend to think the latter. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 1:25:37 AM EDT
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There was a very interesting book written on the OKC bombings years ago. Bottom line....Timothy McVeigh was definately responsible....but he wasn't a "loner" and he had help and training that had ties to Islamic militants. Doesn't say he subscribed to that....but it was where he received the help from (Phillipines) that had common interests. I'd never be surprised to learn White Supremacist types and Islamic radicals would work together. Hell, the Nazis used Islamic types during WWII, so the precedent and common interests are there. McVeigh and Nichols were NOT white supremacists , they were anti government. They had nothing to do with racial supremacy , Nazis, etc. That is the narrative you have been sold , the same narrative that says all white males, gun owners, conservatives etc are actually Nazis, bigots , etc. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 1:29:28 AM EDT
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Not a troofer but people who believe everything the .gov tells them are naive or foolish. this is wisdom... Try telling that to the resident shills that are posting in this thread Big brother .gov is never wrong in the eyes of some that post here.oh i know that. there's no convincing them. |
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