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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:08:41 PM EDT
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NAA did something like that already, they made a cap and ball version of their .22 mini revolver
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:10:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: Just a random thought, what would be the practicality of coming up with a "modern" cap, and ball revolver design for those living behind enemy lines? I'm thinking something along the lines of a conventional modern revolver, except with a Cap, and ball cylinder instead of a regular one. To reload you would simply pull the entire spent cylinder off the spindle, and replace it with a pre loaded replacement one, kind of like changing a magazine. Obviously it would have to have a unique "cap and ball only" frame instead of being a simple conversion in order to skirt around being called a "modern" firearm, and still be sellable as an "antique". Cap, and balls can be converted to fire modern cartridges, why not the other way around? |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:11:11 PM EDT
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Go for it
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:11:54 PM EDT
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Doesn't Ruger have one?
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:11:57 PM EDT
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In my own experience--specifically, when I lived in NJ--pellet guns, paint ball guns & cap n ball ALL required a license from local town cops.
Muzzle loaders were exempt, but not cap n ball. Ergo--it's a great idea, but many states "behind enemy lines" may have laws that make it illegal anyway. Come on, BB guns & paint balls requiring a permit? Yes, in NJ. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:14:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn't Ruger have one? Not any more. Plus, it was more of an update on an old design. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:18:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
In my own experience--specifically, when I lived in NJ--pellet guns, paint ball guns & cap n ball ALL required a license from local town cops. Muzzle loaders were exempt, but not cap n ball. Ergo--it's a great idea, but many states "behind enemy lines" may have laws that make it illegal anyway. Come on, BB guns & paint balls requiring a permit? Yes, in NJ. Not exactly. Air guns and muzzle loaders are considered firearms here so you needed a Firearms Purchaser ID to purchase one. Typically everyone just goes over the border to buy them in PA. No permit is needed to own any firearms in NJ, just to purchase them. Airsoft and paintball are not considered firearms, you can walk into any sporting goods store and buy them like anywhere else. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:18:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean like a Remington 1858, only with a swing out cylinder? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just a random thought, what would be the practicality of coming up with a "modern" cap, and ball revolver design for those living behind enemy lines? I'm thinking something along the lines of a conventional modern revolver, except with a Cap, and ball cylinder instead of a regular one. To reload you would simply pull the entire spent cylinder off the spindle, and replace it with a pre loaded replacement one, kind of like changing a magazine. Obviously it would have to have a unique "cap and ball only" frame instead of being a simple conversion in order to skirt around being called a "modern" firearm, and still be sellable as an "antique". Cap, and balls can be converted to fire modern cartridges, why not the other way around? |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:25:50 PM EDT
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You mean like a Remington 1858, only with a swing out cylinder? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just a random thought, what would be the practicality of coming up with a "modern" cap, and ball revolver design for those living behind enemy lines? I'm thinking something along the lines of a conventional modern revolver, except with a Cap, and ball cylinder instead of a regular one. To reload you would simply pull the entire spent cylinder off the spindle, and replace it with a pre loaded replacement one, kind of like changing a magazine. Obviously it would have to have a unique "cap and ball only" frame instead of being a simple conversion in order to skirt around being called a "modern" firearm, and still be sellable as an "antique". Cap, and balls can be converted to fire modern cartridges, why not the other way around? Basically yes, but smaller without the need for a rammer arm, and double action. A better analogy would be a cap, and ball J frame. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 10:26:50 PM EDT
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Not any more. Plus, it was more of an update on an old design. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Doesn't Ruger have one? Not any more. Plus, it was more of an update on an old design. Got a link? |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 10:50:42 PM EDT
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https://www.google.com/search?q=ruger+old+army&client=firefox-a&hs=ziv&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=aP3RU_f7OYWZyATJo4HIBA&ved=0CCYQsAQ&biw=1600&bih=720
OP - this is NOT a random thought. I read your Czech thread. How about a Webley style DA/SA w/ break-open action? Just pluck the cylinder out & drop a new one in? But with the weight of your reloads, you're 1/3 to 1/2 the way to a 2nd gun, unless you're going to engineer aluminum cylinders or very expensively go w/ titanium. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:22:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
In my own experience--specifically, when I lived in NJ--pellet guns, paint ball guns & cap n ball ALL required a license from local town cops. Muzzle loaders were exempt, but not cap n ball. Ergo--it's a great idea, but many states "behind enemy lines" may have laws that make it illegal anyway. Come on, BB guns & paint balls requiring a permit? Yes, in NJ. Cap and ball guns ARE muzzle-loaders. It's just that cap and ball revolvers are loaded from the "muzzle" of the cylinder. IIRC, the statute doesn't refer to "muzzle-loaders". It refers to firearms that do not use fixed ammunition. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 12:04:11 AM EDT
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https://www.google.com/search?q=ruger+old+army&client=firefox-a&hs=ziv&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=aP3RU_f7OYWZyATJo4HIBA&ved=0CCYQsAQ&biw=1600&bih=720 OP - this is NOT a random thought. I read your Czech thread. How about a Webley style DA/SA w/ break-open action? Just pluck the cylinder out & drop a new one in? But with the weight of your reloads, you're 1/3 to 1/2 the way to a 2nd gun, unless you're going to engineer aluminum cylinders or very expensively go w/ titanium. that is a damn fine idea. Surely someone could come up with an aluminum and synthetic cylinder. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 12:07:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Airsoft and paintball are not considered firearms, you can walk into any sporting goods store and buy them like anywhere else. Well, at least there's that.  |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 12:35:45 AM EDT
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Remington beat you to it on the changing of the cylinders by about 150 years.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 1:09:04 AM EDT
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We have a few gunsmiths making these for us here in the UK.
They use .38 wadcutters, Herco powder and a shotgun primer. Spare cylinders can be supplied for competition shooting. Just open the cylinder, pull it off and replace with a loaded one. I'm in no way connected to the company: http://westlakeengineering.com/15105.html 
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Posted: 7/25/2014 1:25:54 AM EDT
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Like this?
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Posted: 7/25/2014 1:26:12 AM EDT
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IIRC, pinfire guns aren't considered firearms. If someone started making some ammo that could be interesting...for a while, until the ATF "rectifies" their oversight.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 1:32:23 AM EDT
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Not exactly. Air guns and muzzle loaders are considered firearms here so you needed a Firearms Purchaser ID to purchase one. Typically everyone just goes over the border to buy them in PA. No permit is needed to own any firearms in NJ, just to purchase them. Airsoft and paintball are not considered firearms, you can walk into any sporting goods store and buy them like anywhere else. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In my own experience--specifically, when I lived in NJ--pellet guns, paint ball guns & cap n ball ALL required a license from local town cops. Muzzle loaders were exempt, but not cap n ball. Ergo--it's a great idea, but many states "behind enemy lines" may have laws that make it illegal anyway. Come on, BB guns & paint balls requiring a permit? Yes, in NJ. Not exactly. Air guns and muzzle loaders are considered firearms here so you needed a Firearms Purchaser ID to purchase one. Typically everyone just goes over the border to buy them in PA. No permit is needed to own any firearms in NJ, just to purchase them. Airsoft and paintball are not considered firearms, you can walk into any sporting goods store and buy them like anywhere else. Are Nerf and poptart guns required to be registered too? Damn.. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 1:36:25 AM EDT
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Are Nerf and poptart guns required to be registered too? Damn.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In my own experience--specifically, when I lived in NJ--pellet guns, paint ball guns & cap n ball ALL required a license from local town cops. Muzzle loaders were exempt, but not cap n ball. Ergo--it's a great idea, but many states "behind enemy lines" may have laws that make it illegal anyway. Come on, BB guns & paint balls requiring a permit? Yes, in NJ. Not exactly. Air guns and muzzle loaders are considered firearms here so you needed a Firearms Purchaser ID to purchase one. Typically everyone just goes over the border to buy them in PA. No permit is needed to own any firearms in NJ, just to purchase them. Airsoft and paintball are not considered firearms, you can walk into any sporting goods store and buy them like anywhere else. Are Nerf and poptart guns required to be registered too? Damn.. Now I want pop-tarts . |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 2:02:31 AM EDT
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I met an old fellow recently that CC's a cap and ball revolver. He said, "I practice and I'm good with it and if I need more than 5 shots I'm screwed anyway."
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Posted: 7/25/2014 2:52:23 AM EDT
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I met an old fellow recently that CC's a cap and ball revolver. He said, "I practice and I'm good with it and if I need more than 5 shots I'm screwed anyway." Would love to know why someone would chose a C&B revolver to CC. If you practice with a C&B you would be good with a modern revolver with a much more reliable ignition system. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 3:00:10 AM EDT
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Doesn't Ruger have one? Old Army... yep, I owned two when I lived in NYC |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 5:13:55 AM EDT
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Old Army... yep, I owned two when I lived in NYC Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Doesn't Ruger have one? Old Army... yep, I owned two when I lived in NYC You obviously did not have any loading components for it ;) I think that 200 gr Conicals flying at 800 fps would ruin any NYC robber's day. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 1:46:56 PM EDT
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We have a few gunsmiths making these for us here in the UK. They use .38 wadcutters, Herco powder and a shotgun primer. Spare cylinders can be supplied for competition shooting. Just open the cylinder, pull it off and replace with a loaded one. I'm in no way connected to the company: http://westlakeengineering.com/15105.html  http://youtu.be/_AjzhlYc7RA
That is EXACTLY the kind of thing I'm talking about. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 2:11:45 PM EDT
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Doesn't Ruger have one? Ruger Old Army. I've got one. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 2:17:09 PM EDT
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