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Posted: 7/23/2014 10:50:39 AM EDT
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i have no problem with Israel ,but those democrat loving American jews can feel free to leave at any time.....
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Posted: 7/23/2014 10:58:20 AM EDT
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Because the GOP is closely identified with Evangelical Christianity, and Jews have an even lower opinion of Evangelicals than they do of Muslims. Pew Research Center: How Americans Feel About Religious Groups. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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By and large, Dems support Arabs and Repubs support Israel. I just can't figure out why Jews here in the US vote Democrat. Wonder if this stuff in Europe will lift their blindness?  Because the GOP is closely identified with Evangelical Christianity, and Jews have an even lower opinion of Evangelicals than they do of Muslims. Pew Research Center: How Americans Feel About Religious Groups. Wow, according to the Poll, Jews like Muslims more than Evangelicals. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:02:24 AM EDT
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LOL....Americans. Honestly......Not heard anything about any anti-semitic acts other than the one where some clown shot and liked three people a couple of months ago. There will no doubt be the odd asshat who does something stupid, just as there are idiots leaving the occasional pig's head on the doorsteps of mosques - that is nothing new and is usually nothing more than a very limited group of idiots doing stupid things. I would imagine that when it kicks off in Gaza and Israel land as it does ever few years there will be a rise in asshattery to some degree but we are simply not hearing about anti-Semitic attacks in anything like the number that you guys seem to be reporting it. If I hear anything along these lines I will be sure to post it, but so far it seems to be same few reports regurgitated over and over again. probably same reasons that if you want accurate reporting on crime in Chicago, you go to the Daily Mail, not the Chicago Tribune. If you want accurate reporting on european anti-semitism, it won't be coming from european news outlets. Change your avatar. MN |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:15:06 AM EDT
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I don't know why I am compelled to post this.....probably my roman catholic name....maybe all the high ranking dual citizens in my govt....not sure.
Plenty of Christians being persecuted right now. PS: Welcome back Zhukov. (I saw at least one of your vacation threads). |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:17:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For as long as I live, I will owe "The Jews." As a people, they should have a homeland of their own. Thus, I support isreal.. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:22:49 AM EDT
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There is anti Semitic DNA in all of Europe
It's latest manifestation is Anti Zionism. Their claim of supporting the Palestinians is there current cover story. :/ |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:26:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow, according to the Poll, Jews like Muslims more than Evangelicals. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: By and large, Dems support Arabs and Repubs support Israel. I just can't figure out why Jews here in the US vote Democrat. Wonder if this stuff in Europe will lift their blindness? Because the GOP is closely identified with Evangelical Christianity, and Jews have an even lower opinion of Evangelicals than they do of Muslims. Pew Research Center: How Americans Feel About Religious Groups. Wow, according to the Poll, Jews like Muslims more than Evangelicals. Which is ironic really. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:31:50 AM EDT
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By and large, Dems support Arabs and Repubs support Israel. I just can't figure out why Jews here in the US vote Democrat. Wonder if this stuff in Europe will lift their blindness? Because the GOP is closely identified with Evangelical Christianity, and Jews have an even lower opinion of Evangelicals than they do of Muslims. Pew Research Center: How Americans Feel About Religious Groups. Wow, according to the Poll, Jews like Muslims more than Evangelicals. Which is ironic really. well, stalker-fetishists are creepy. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:34:31 AM EDT
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Which is ironic really. well, stalker-fetishists are creepy. This is may be the first 2minkey post I've liked. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:41:43 AM EDT
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Wow, according to the Poll, Jews like Muslims more than Evangelicals. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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By and large, Dems support Arabs and Repubs support Israel. I just can't figure out why Jews here in the US vote Democrat. Wonder if this stuff in Europe will lift their blindness? Because the GOP is closely identified with Evangelical Christianity, and Jews have an even lower opinion of Evangelicals than they do of Muslims. Pew Research Center: How Americans Feel About Religious Groups. Wow, according to the Poll, Jews like Muslims more than Evangelicals. Which is incredibly sad for Evangelicals, and ironic considering it is Evangelicals that give Israel the most support politically in the USA bar none. They literally worship Jews and Israel. 
Reminds me of that idiot Glenn Beck clamoring on the radio today about how America does not support Israel so he apologized for America ....nevermind the billions in aid and military support we give them. Most Israelis would no doubt have a very low opinion of him.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:44:47 AM EDT
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Which is ironic really. well, stalker-fetishists are creepy. This is may be the first 2minkey post I've liked. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:51:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: probably same reasons that if you want accurate reporting on crime in Chicago, you go to the Daily Mail, not the Chicago Tribune. If you want accurate reporting on european anti-semitism, it won't be coming from european news outlets. No no no, it's not that Daily Mail is more accurate. It's just because they are like 6 hours ahead and they know what happens before it actually happens :) |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:52:33 AM EDT
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Here's an interesting point about who is fanning the flames of antisemitism: Think back to the beginning of Middle-Eastern terrorism. Who financed the terrorists? What political ideology did they support?
Communism, that's who. They were supported by the Soviet Union and the other Warsaw pact countries. Look at the members of the German RAF; they were financed by the East Germans, trained in Syria, and ran to East Germany after they had no place left to hide. The current political party "Die Linke", offshoot of East Germany's SED ruling party, only recently adopted into their platform the statement that Israel has a right to exist. The left has a deeply entrenched antisemitic wing. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:52:42 AM EDT
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It's all just History Repeating.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:53:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reminds me of that idiot Glenn Beck clamoring on the radio today about how America does not support Israel so he apologized for America ....nevermind the billions in aid and military support we give them. Most Israelis would no doubt have a very low opinion of him.I heard that. Combined with the "forgive them for they know not what they do" made me cringe something fierce. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:53:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, prior to WWII, in the 20's, 30's, Anti-Semitism was rampant all around the world, and including the US. There was a ton of Anti-Semitism here... Not really sure why through history people have hated the Jews, but they have.... Maybe it has to do with the somewhat clannish attitude, especially back then...not sure, would make a fabulous doctoral thesis though...not that there aren't probably a bunch of history doctorates out there that used this though... But it certainly can happen again...and I vote that a lot of this is being fomented by the RoPers.... Jews tend to be an insular culture. They also tend to be very successful. So you've got people who keep to themselves, practice a strange religion, and speak a strange language. And a lot of them are rich, or at least richer than the average "native." Jealousy is the ugliest of emotions, and it easily can lead to violence.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:58:55 AM EDT
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The ones who flee to Israel will be judged for it one day. I cannot abide people who willingly disobey God for short term safety. The Talmud forbids a Jewish state until God comes and creates it himself. The UN is not God and you can bet he isn't happy about it. Anyone who supports Israel is anti-Christian and will have to deal with the consequences.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:01:43 PM EDT
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A wonder if it is the influx of Muslims in Europe that is causing this. Yeah, I'm wondering how much of this wave of antisemitism in Europe is actually being fomented by people who are ethnically European. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:04:31 PM EDT
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I see none of this in Switzerland
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:08:10 PM EDT
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Yeah, I'm wondering how much of this wave of antisemitism in Europe is actually being fomented by people who are ethnically European. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A wonder if it is the influx of Muslims in Europe that is causing this. Yeah, I'm wondering how much of this wave of antisemitism in Europe is actually being fomented by people who are ethnically European. traditionally european anti-semites are from the nativist far right, like jean marie le pen, those jobbik assholes in hungary, ukranian nationalists... |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:11:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's an interesting point about who is fanning the flames of antisemitism: Think back to the beginning of Middle-Eastern terrorism. Who financed the terrorists? What political ideology did they support? Communism, that's who. They were supported by the Soviet Union and the other Warsaw pact countries. Look at the members of the German RAF; they were financed by the East Germans, trained in Syria, and ran to East Germany after they had no place left to hide. The current political party "Die Linke", offshoot of East Germany's SED ruling party, only recently adopted into their platform the statement that Israel has a right to exist. The left has a deeply entrenched antisemitic wing. Expanding on this - here is an excellent article on the subject for those who are interested in the antisemitism of the German left. It's a long article, and I'm not going to translate it all so here is a link through Google Translate. If you can read the original German, then all the better because it makes more sense of course. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:13:30 PM EDT
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traditionally european anti-semites are from the nativist far right, like jean marie le pen, those jobbik assholes in hungary, ukranian nationalists... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A wonder if it is the influx of Muslims in Europe that is causing this. Yeah, I'm wondering how much of this wave of antisemitism in Europe is actually being fomented by people who are ethnically European. traditionally european anti-semites are from the nativist far right, like jean marie le pen, those jobbik assholes in hungary, ukranian nationalists... At least say why. In many European countries "Judaism" used to equal "Communism". They terms were almost interchangeable. Nazis always like to bring up the Communist Party of Poland back in the 30s, where the Polish population was like 10% Jewish but the Party membership was like 60% Jewish. When the Soviet Union came to power and was scaring the shit out of eastern Europe it was easy for right-wingers to point at the Jews and say "there, they are the problem". The majority of Jews being Leftists made Hitler's job much easier than it should've been. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:15:51 PM EDT
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Is OP bragging or whining?
TXL |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:18:44 PM EDT
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Pretty funny that the Euroweenies don't see any evidence of antisemitism when Jews are fleeing their countries. Makes you wonder why?
More Than A Thousand French Jews Have Moved To Israel In Past 10 Days, Most Fleeing Violent Anti-Semitic Attacks . . . Eighteen people were arrested for attacks on shops, including a kosher supermarket, a Jewish-owned chemist and a funeral home. Rioters, who carried batons and threw petrol bombs according to eyewitnesses, were yards from the synagogue when they were driven back by riot police who used tear gas.
“They were shouting: ‘Death to Jews,’ and ‘Slit Jews’ throats’,” David, a Jewish sound engineer told The Times. “It took us back to 1938.” “We called our town ‘Little Jerusalem’ because we felt at home here,” Laetitia, a longtime Sarcelles resident, told France 24. “We were safe, there were never any problems. And I just wasn’t expecting anything like this. We are very shocked, really very shocked.” Roger Cuikerman, head of the Representative Council of Jewish Institutions in France told Radio France International: “They are not screaming, ‘Death to the Israelis’ on the streets of Paris. They are screaming, “Death to the Jews.” The community was not just scared, but “anguished.” [...] More than a thousand Jews have made aliyah (the term used when Jews immigrate to Israel) in the past 10 days, according to the Israeli government. “I came because of anti-Semitism,” said teary-eyed Veronique Rivka Buzaglo, one of 430 immigrants who arrived from France the day before. “You see it in the eyes of people. I see it in everything,” she told HuffPost. Buzaglo says nothing would have stopped her from becoming an Israeli citizen this week – not even the rocket sirens frequently blaring in the south of the country, where she plans to live. http://weaselzippers.us/194200-more-than-a-thousand-french-jews-have-moved-to-israel-in-past-10-days-most-fleeing-violent-anti-semitic-attacks/ |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:24:00 PM EDT
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At least say why. In many European countries "Judaism" used to equal "Communism". They terms were almost interchangeable. Nazis always like to bring up the Communist Party of Poland back in the 30s, where the Polish population was like 10% Jewish but the Party membership was like 60% Jewish. When the Soviet Union came to power and was scaring the shit out of eastern Europe it was easy for right-wingers to point at the Jews and say "there, they are the problem". The majority of Jews being Leftists made Hitler's job much easier than it should've been. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A wonder if it is the influx of Muslims in Europe that is causing this. Yeah, I'm wondering how much of this wave of antisemitism in Europe is actually being fomented by people who are ethnically European. traditionally european anti-semites are from the nativist far right, like jean marie le pen, those jobbik assholes in hungary, ukranian nationalists... At least say why. In many European countries "Judaism" used to equal "Communism". They terms were almost interchangeable. Nazis always like to bring up the Communist Party of Poland back in the 30s, where the Polish population was like 10% Jewish but the Party membership was like 60% Jewish. When the Soviet Union came to power and was scaring the shit out of eastern Europe it was easy for right-wingers to point at the Jews and say "there, they are the problem". The majority of Jews being Leftists made Hitler's job much easier than it should've been. whatever - nativist dipshits don't need a valid reason, just a scapegoat. if you want to explain it in terms of a 'red jewish scare' you go right ahead, but it is completely unnecessary. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:24:18 PM EDT
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Honestly - not seeing anything in any credible outlets. If I find anything I'll let you know.  Don't look too hard... http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-07-22/europeans-condemn-antisemitism-as-protests-turn-racist http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/berlin-bans-anti-semitic-slogan-at-gaza-protests/2014/07/22/5bc46786-117d-11e4-ac56-773e54a65906_story.html http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2014/07/22/Wave-of-anti-Semitism-in-Europe-since-Israels-Gaza-attack/1501406056183/ http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article123693713/Frankreichs-Juden-fliehen-vor-Antisemitismus.html http://www.france24.com/en/20140721-france-paris-anti-semitic-violence-pro-palestinian-gaza/ http://www.stern.de/politik/ausland/antisemitische-uebergriffe-in-europa-judenhass-ist-trend-2124712.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27993210 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28329329 ... since when did the BBC become credible? Um - neither of those BBC links have the slightest thing to do with "extreme antisemitism taking hold in Europe again" - or anything else. The one BBC link is about an individual neo-nazi from Sweden. Wow, surprise - there are neo-nazis in Sweden. When I living in Denmark in the 1980s it was well-known that there's a small but vocal group of neo-nazis in Sweden, and the Stockholm police department was known for having many neo-nazis. That's nothing new. It's been that way for over 30 years. No "rise" in anti-semitism there. In fact, all of those guys have probably turned their hate on the immigrant muslims, and have probably forgotten about the few Jews in Sweden.
The other BBC link is about the various "nationalist" parties in Europe, and doesn't really have ANYTHING to do with anti-semitism (in the sense of hating Jews), since the raison-d'etre of these parties is almost invariably anti-immigration and anti-Islam, but they don't really seem to have super-strong feelings about jews for the most part. The article mentions that they DO NOT want to partner with a particular Polish political party, precisely because the polish party comes across as anti-semetic. And I don't think ANYONE would claim that anti-semitism in Poland is somehow a recent development.
If this thread was about the underlying small amounts of anti-semitism that might have been lurking under the surface in Europe, I think all the Europeans here would agree with you. But the claim that there's been some huge increase in anti-semitism in Europe doesn't really seem to hold water. Absolutely, the immigrant arab/muslim populations in some European countries are likely to hate Israel/jews (and as Agenty_Funky noted, that becomes noticeable when the Isrealis and Palestinians start fighting), and the European countries obviously need to be better at dealing with that. However, the suggestion that there's a growing or strong feeling of anti-semitism - separate from muslim immigrants - in Western Europe doesn't seem to be correct. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:36:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If this thread was about the underlying small amounts of anti-semitism that might have been lurking under the surface in Europe, I think all the Europeans here would agree with you. But the claim that there's been some huge increase in anti-semitism in Europe doesn't really seem to hold water. Absolutely, the immigrant arab/muslim populations in some European countries are likely to hate Israel/jews (and as Agenty_Funky noted, that becomes noticeable when the Isrealis and Palestinians start fighting), and the European countries obviously need to be better at dealing with that. However, the suggestion that there's a growing or strong feeling of anti-semitism - separate from muslim immigrants - in Western Europe doesn't seem to be correct. A recent survey suggested France had the highest percentage of residents — 37 percent – who were openly anti-Semitic, reported The Washington Post’s Anthony Faiola. In Italy, one-fifth of the population felt that way; in Germany, more than one-fourth. Other studies also found rising levels of anti-Semitism in other parts of Europe. If a quarter of a country's population identifies themselves as antisemitic, you have a problem - and not a small one. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:39:27 PM EDT
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Also: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/a-new-anti-semitism-rising-in-france/2014/06/19/1da8ae34-1a71-4f50-893a-9842af51e3ce_story.html
In a country that is home to the largest Jewish community in Europe, the first three months of the year saw reported acts of anti-Semitic violence in France skyrocket to 140 incidents, a 40 percent increase from the same period last year. This month, two young Jewish men were severely beaten on their way to synagogue in an eastern suburb of Paris. Near the city’s Montmartre district, home to the Moulin Rouge and the Sacré-Coeur basilica, a woman verbally accosted a Jewish mother before rattling the carriage of her 6-month-old child and shouting, "dirty Jewess .?.?. you Jews have too many children,” according to a report filed by France’s National Bureau for Vigilance Against Anti-Semitism. Meanwhile, not far from the rolling vineyards of Bordeaux, stars of David were recently spray-painted on the homes of Jews. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:41:41 PM EDT
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Why is everyone so against Israel!? They are doing what needs to be done. And as a Christian I know this war WILL NEVER END! God's chosen people will be under attack until the end. And evil cannot win. The world should rally behind them not join in the attacking. It's a true good vs evil battle and people are choosing the wrong side. scrach the anti-zionist, find the jew hater. People hate jews. always have, always will. I feel cheated that I don't have any Jewish friends to hate. 
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:41:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see none of this in Switzerland Yeah you guys are really good at seeing nothing when it comes to the Jews. How about $300 million or so in stolen gold? See any of that? |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:43:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah you guys are really good at seeing nothing when it comes to the Jews. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I see none of this in Switzerland Yeah you guys are really good at seeing nothing when it comes to the Jews. Fixed.  |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:44:59 PM EDT
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I see none of this in Switzerland Yeah you guys are really good at seeing nothing when it comes to the Jews. Ooooo. Burn.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:46:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah you guys are really good at seeing nothing when it comes to the Jews. Fixed.  |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:47:37 PM EDT
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A wonder if it is the influx of Muslims in Europe that is causing this. Yeah, I'm wondering how much of this wave of antisemitism in Europe is actually being fomented by people who are ethnically European. traditionally european anti-semites are from the nativist far right, like jean marie le pen, those jobbik assholes in hungary, ukranian nationalists... OK - but is that what's driving it today? Because I see these poll numbers from France in particular, and then I see certain immigrant populations that have grown quite a bit in France, that aren't doing great economically, and that traditionally might not be fond of Jews or Israel. So I have to wonder. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:54:01 PM EDT
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why the blue monkey balls is the whole world so damn fast to defend terrorists? People who are raining death on innocent people weekly?
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Posted: 7/23/2014 1:00:44 PM EDT
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Explanation in a nutshell. Euro-weenies allowed massive immigration of Muslims into their politically correct countries which in turn do not challenge the anti-semitism or anti-civilization behaviors. not a bad explanation ... our stupid officials let them in, and now there´s too much of those Muslims there ... |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 1:02:08 PM EDT
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A recent survey suggested France had the highest percentage of residents — 37 percent – who were openly anti-Semitic, reported The Washington Post’s Anthony Faiola. In Italy, one-fifth of the population felt that way; in Germany, more than one-fourth. Other studies also found rising levels of anti-Semitism in other parts of Europe. If a quarter of a country's population identifies themselves as antisemitic, you have a problem - and not a small one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If this thread was about the underlying small amounts of anti-semitism that might have been lurking under the surface in Europe, I think all the Europeans here would agree with you. But the claim that there's been some huge increase in anti-semitism in Europe doesn't really seem to hold water. Absolutely, the immigrant arab/muslim populations in some European countries are likely to hate Israel/jews (and as Agenty_Funky noted, that becomes noticeable when the Isrealis and Palestinians start fighting), and the European countries obviously need to be better at dealing with that. However, the suggestion that there's a growing or strong feeling of anti-semitism - separate from muslim immigrants - in Western Europe doesn't seem to be correct. A recent survey suggested France had the highest percentage of residents — 37 percent – who were openly anti-Semitic, reported The Washington Post’s Anthony Faiola. In Italy, one-fifth of the population felt that way; in Germany, more than one-fourth. Other studies also found rising levels of anti-Semitism in other parts of Europe. If a quarter of a country's population identifies themselves as antisemitic, you have a problem - and not a small one. The only "study" or "studies" referenced in either of those links, are those done by the ADL. Did you actually READ the study? Particularly the methodology. I do not in any way want to be dismissive of legitimate anti-semitism (and like I say, it ABSOLUTELY exists in Europe) - but the ADL's definition of anti-semitism is, quite frankly, odd. First of all, their methodology in general sucks. Their sample sizes are way too small, and they are not clear about some important details of HOW the data were collected. All of this is potentially problematic. Much more importantly, however, they measured the level of "anti-semitism" in a country on the basis of answers to FOUR questions, and they reported the numbers for people that either said "true" or "probably true" to the following questions. 1) Jews are more loyal to Israel than to this country. 2) Jews have too much power in the business world. 3) Jews have too much power in international financial markets. 4) Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust Now, I hope I am not being insensitive to Jews (and I am sure Sylvan will let me know if I am) - but when I think of "anti-semitism" I think of people who HATE jews, and people who wish harm upon Jews, and neo-nazis who celebrate Hitler, and assholes like that. If someone says "yeah, I think it is probably true that Jews have too much power in the business world" - that might make them an idiot, or paranoid, or gullible, and they definitely believe in a silly stereotype - but I am honestly not convinced that it makes that person an ANTI-Semite. 
People who think a common stereotype (like "Jews have too much power in financial markets") is "probably true" doesn't quite seem to me to rise to the level of anti-semitism. Maybe I am being insensitive (and I am European, after all ), but the definition of "anti-semitism" by the ADL seems to be a very, VERY "loose" definition.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 1:08:53 PM EDT
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OK - but is that what's driving it today? Because I see these poll numbers from France in particular, and then I see certain immigrant populations that have grown quite a bit in France, that aren't doing great economically, and that traditionally might not be fond of Jews or Israel. So I have to wonder. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A wonder if it is the influx of Muslims in Europe that is causing this. Yeah, I'm wondering how much of this wave of antisemitism in Europe is actually being fomented by people who are ethnically European. traditionally european anti-semites are from the nativist far right, like jean marie le pen, those jobbik assholes in hungary, ukranian nationalists... OK - but is that what's driving it today? Because I see these poll numbers from France in particular, and then I see certain immigrant populations that have grown quite a bit in France, that aren't doing great economically, and that traditionally might not be fond of Jews or Israel. So I have to wonder. the obvious reasons? the right-wingers still hate jews because they are auslanders, distinct from the "real" volk (german, french... americans). muslims are angry over what they see as recent over-the-top israeli aggression, as well as years of oppression in the occupied territories. i have yet to figure out the weird jew fetish going on here. because anti-semites here used to be good, solid christians. prolly something about that dispensationalist crap, but i can only read so much before the gag reflex forces a stop. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 1:11:47 PM EDT
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the obvious reasons? the right-wingers still hate jews because they are auslanders, distinct from the "real" volk (german, french... americans). muslims are angry over what they see as recent over-the-top israeli aggression, as well as years of oppression in the occupied territories. i have yet to figure out the weird jew fetish going on here. because anti-semites here used to be good, solid christians. prolly something about that dispensationalist crap, but i can only read so much before the gag reflex forces a stop. Where is "here?" |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 1:29:18 PM EDT
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The more Jews that return to Israel the better. It will make for a better, stronger Israel and will give them cause to not surrender any more land as it will be needed to house returnees. Not true! If the Israelis loose their European basis to Muslim guided countries, they will be without support! Support, economically and politcally, is essential to the survival of Israel. H |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 1:43:48 PM EDT
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Isolated incidents? I don't think so... A recent survey suggested France had the highest percentage of residents — 37 percent – who were openly anti-Semitic, reported The Washington Post’s Anthony Faiola. In Italy, one-fifth of the population felt that way; in Germany, more than one-fourth. Other studies also found rising levels of anti-Semitism in other parts of Europe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOL....Americans. Honestly......Not heard anything about any anti-semitic acts other than the one where some clown shot and liked three people a couple of months ago. There will no doubt be the odd asshat who does something stupid, just as there are idiots leaving the occasional pig's head on the doorsteps of mosques - that is nothing new and is usually nothing more than a very limited group of idiots doing stupid things. I would imagine that when it kicks off in Gaza and Israel land as it does ever few years there will be a rise in asshattery to some degree but we are simply not hearing about anti-Semitic attacks in anything like the number that you guys seem to be reporting it. If I hear anything along these lines I will be sure to post it, but so far it seems to be same few reports regurgitated over and over again. Isolated incidents? I don't think so... A recent survey suggested France had the highest percentage of residents — 37 percent – who were openly anti-Semitic, reported The Washington Post’s Anthony Faiola. In Italy, one-fifth of the population felt that way; in Germany, more than one-fourth. Other studies also found rising levels of anti-Semitism in other parts of Europe. You may want to try and find some more credible sources, mate. If it were happening as often as is being claimed then we would have expected to hear about it. Anti-semitism is not something that is considered acceptable in the UK by any stretch and it would have been all over the news. It may have increased some as tensions in Gazaland but not as much as is being reported on ARFCOM I spoke to a friend who is a teacher living in France at the moment and asked her about this when it was raised in a thread here a couple of weeks ago. I mentioned that it was the first I had heard of it and she said she had heard nothing about it in the last 12 months she has been over there. She mentioned the comedian and another incident where some loon had shot some Jewish people a couple of years ago - both of those events were covered very heavily in the UK media anyway, but she was unaware of any particular increase in anti-semitic behaviour. I'll ask her again when I speak to her and see if she can find anything out about it. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 1:47:12 PM EDT
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Um - neither of those BBC links have the slightest thing to do with "extreme antisemitism taking hold in Europe again" - or anything else. The one BBC link is about an individual neo-nazi from Sweden. Wow, surprise - there are neo-nazis in Sweden. When I living in Denmark in the 1980s it was well-known that there's a small but vocal group of neo-nazis in Sweden, and the Stockholm police department was known for having many neo-nazis. That's nothing new. It's been that way for over 30 years. No "rise" in anti-semitism there. In fact, all of those guys have probably turned their hate on the immigrant muslims, and have probably forgotten about the few Jews in Sweden.
The other BBC link is about the various "nationalist" parties in Europe, and doesn't really have ANYTHING to do with anti-semitism (in the sense of hating Jews), since the raison-d'etre of these parties is almost invariably anti-immigration and anti-Islam, but they don't really seem to have super-strong feelings about jews for the most part. The article mentions that they DO NOT want to partner with a particular Polish political party, precisely because the polish party comes across as anti-semetic. And I don't think ANYONE would claim that anti-semitism in Poland is somehow a recent development.
If this thread was about the underlying small amounts of anti-semitism that might have been lurking under the surface in Europe, I think all the Europeans here would agree with you. But the claim that there's been some huge increase in anti-semitism in Europe doesn't really seem to hold water. Absolutely, the immigrant arab/muslim populations in some European countries are likely to hate Israel/jews (and as Agenty_Funky noted, that becomes noticeable when the Isrealis and Palestinians start fighting), and the European countries obviously need to be better at dealing with that. However, the suggestion that there's a growing or strong feeling of anti-semitism - separate from muslim immigrants - in Western Europe doesn't seem to be correct. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Honestly - not seeing anything in any credible outlets. If I find anything I'll let you know. Don't look too hard... http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-07-22/europeans-condemn-antisemitism-as-protests-turn-racist http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/berlin-bans-anti-semitic-slogan-at-gaza-protests/2014/07/22/5bc46786-117d-11e4-ac56-773e54a65906_story.html http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2014/07/22/Wave-of-anti-Semitism-in-Europe-since-Israels-Gaza-attack/1501406056183/ http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article123693713/Frankreichs-Juden-fliehen-vor-Antisemitismus.html http://www.france24.com/en/20140721-france-paris-anti-semitic-violence-pro-palestinian-gaza/ http://www.stern.de/politik/ausland/antisemitische-uebergriffe-in-europa-judenhass-ist-trend-2124712.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27993210 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28329329 ... since when did the BBC become credible? Um - neither of those BBC links have the slightest thing to do with "extreme antisemitism taking hold in Europe again" - or anything else. The one BBC link is about an individual neo-nazi from Sweden. Wow, surprise - there are neo-nazis in Sweden. When I living in Denmark in the 1980s it was well-known that there's a small but vocal group of neo-nazis in Sweden, and the Stockholm police department was known for having many neo-nazis. That's nothing new. It's been that way for over 30 years. No "rise" in anti-semitism there. In fact, all of those guys have probably turned their hate on the immigrant muslims, and have probably forgotten about the few Jews in Sweden.
The other BBC link is about the various "nationalist" parties in Europe, and doesn't really have ANYTHING to do with anti-semitism (in the sense of hating Jews), since the raison-d'etre of these parties is almost invariably anti-immigration and anti-Islam, but they don't really seem to have super-strong feelings about jews for the most part. The article mentions that they DO NOT want to partner with a particular Polish political party, precisely because the polish party comes across as anti-semetic. And I don't think ANYONE would claim that anti-semitism in Poland is somehow a recent development.
If this thread was about the underlying small amounts of anti-semitism that might have been lurking under the surface in Europe, I think all the Europeans here would agree with you. But the claim that there's been some huge increase in anti-semitism in Europe doesn't really seem to hold water. Absolutely, the immigrant arab/muslim populations in some European countries are likely to hate Israel/jews (and as Agenty_Funky noted, that becomes noticeable when the Isrealis and Palestinians start fighting), and the European countries obviously need to be better at dealing with that. However, the suggestion that there's a growing or strong feeling of anti-semitism - separate from muslim immigrants - in Western Europe doesn't seem to be correct. Thank you. Good post and I agree entirely. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 1:48:32 PM EDT
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A recent survey suggested France had the highest percentage of residents — 37 percent – who were openly anti-Semitic, reported The Washington Post’s Anthony Faiola. In Italy, one-fifth of the population felt that way; in Germany, more than one-fourth. Other studies also found rising levels of anti-Semitism in other parts of Europe. If a quarter of a country's population identifies themselves as antisemitic, you have a problem - and not a small one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If this thread was about the underlying small amounts of anti-semitism that might have been lurking under the surface in Europe, I think all the Europeans here would agree with you. But the claim that there's been some huge increase in anti-semitism in Europe doesn't really seem to hold water. Absolutely, the immigrant arab/muslim populations in some European countries are likely to hate Israel/jews (and as Agenty_Funky noted, that becomes noticeable when the Isrealis and Palestinians start fighting), and the European countries obviously need to be better at dealing with that. However, the suggestion that there's a growing or strong feeling of anti-semitism - separate from muslim immigrants - in Western Europe doesn't seem to be correct. A recent survey suggested France had the highest percentage of residents — 37 percent – who were openly anti-Semitic, reported The Washington Post’s Anthony Faiola. In Italy, one-fifth of the population felt that way; in Germany, more than one-fourth. Other studies also found rising levels of anti-Semitism in other parts of Europe. If a quarter of a country's population identifies themselves as antisemitic, you have a problem - and not a small one. You need to go and find out how they established that "data". You will be surprised and should be relieved by it's inaccuracy. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:00:27 PM EDT
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scrach the anti-zionist, find the jew hater. People muslims hate jews. always have, always will. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why is everyone so against Israel!? They are doing what needs to be done. And as a Christian I know this war WILL NEVER END! God's chosen people will be under attack until the end. And evil cannot win. The world should rally behind them not join in the attacking. It's a true good vs evil battle and people are choosing the wrong side. scrach the anti-zionist, find the jew hater. People muslims hate jews. always have, always will. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:02:45 PM EDT
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LOL....Americans. Honestly......Not heard anything about any anti-semitic acts other than the one where some clown shot and liked three people a couple of months ago. There will no doubt be the odd asshat who does something stupid, just as there are idiots leaving the occasional pig's head on the doorsteps of mosques - that is nothing new and is usually nothing more than a very limited group of idiots doing stupid things. I would imagine that when it kicks off in Gaza and Israel land as it does ever few years there will be a rise in asshattery to some degree but we are simply not hearing about anti-Semitic attacks in anything like the number that you guys seem to be reporting it. If I hear anything along these lines I will be sure to post it, but so far it seems to be same few reports regurgitated over and over again. probably same reasons that if you want accurate reporting on crime in Chicago, you go to the Daily Mail, not the Chicago Tribune. If you want accurate reporting on european anti-semitism, it won't be coming from european news outlets. Change your avatar. MN Make me. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:03:50 PM EDT
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Which is ironic really. well, stalker-fetishists are creepy. This is may be the first 2minkey post I've liked. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:06:46 PM EDT
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traditionally european anti-semites are from the nativist far right, like jean marie le pen, those jobbik assholes in hungary, ukranian nationalists... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A wonder if it is the influx of Muslims in Europe that is causing this. Yeah, I'm wondering how much of this wave of antisemitism in Europe is actually being fomented by people who are ethnically European. traditionally european anti-semites are from the nativist far right, like jean marie le pen, those jobbik assholes in hungary, ukranian nationalists... They come from both the Far Right and the Far Left. Always have, always will. The only Jews who were ever acceptable to the Left were those who were openly hostile to Jewish culture. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:10:07 PM EDT
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Shit can happen here too. It's unfortunate. For whatever reason people continue to discriminate against the Jews. Better start arming themselves. Watch and see how an Elizabeth Warren for President campaign throws fuel on the fire when she starts going after bankers. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:12:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A wonder if it is the influx of Muslims in Europe that is causing this. Europe has hated jews before Islam existed.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:13:14 PM EDT
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I thought they just were against zionist nazis? Or are all jews now zionist nazis? There are some so-called Christians saying the same thing. :( People are nothing but sheep. Really. That's why I don't get all warm and fuzzy over the current "pro-gay" fad. Because that's just what it is, a fad. The same people will stab you in the back when that becomes a fad as well. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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