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It's going to be interesting to see how La Raza reacts to this. I imagine initially it's going to be a lot of "Es racisto!" going on and calls for total amnesty in the face of this fundamental unfairness that is sickitatin' to all those of a progressive mindset but if Perry and the other governors in the border states hold their ground it will change to "Oye, ese, maybe we can work something out..." That's the question, will these politicians have the guts to spend the money and suffer the slings and arrows sure to be flung at them from the libtard left? View Quote Jerry Brown will send busses to Mexico to shepard the illegals across in California. |
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Quite to the contrary, I think it sounds great. I just expect it to be a big show and no blow. He'll still have to abide by federal immigration policy, so basically this just means TX NG will be escorting the illegals to their new quarters on military bases or in luxury resorts. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quite to the contrary, I think it sounds great. I just expect it to be a big show and no blow. He'll still have to abide by federal immigration policy, so basically this just means TX NG will be escorting the illegals to their new quarters on military bases or in luxury resorts. I don't think the idea is to have them enforce anything - I think it's to see if anyone is stupid enough to shoot at them. |
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Can Texas not do a training exercise (Operation Build a big fucking fence and guard it)?
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Can Texas not do a training exercise (Operation Build a big fucking fence and guard it)? View Quote they could. The larger issue is an effective fence is only of value when properly surveilled. Who will do the surveillance? And there is the physical cost. So texas builds a fence. they cross from New Mexico or Arizona or California. And then cross into Texas through state borders. Border security is a core function of the federal government. States can't do it effectively piecemeal. |
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they could. The larger issue is an effective fence is only of value when properly surveilled. Who will do the surveillance? And there is the physical cost. So texas builds a fence. they cross from New Mexico or Arizona or California. And then cross into Texas through state borders. Border security is a core function of the federal government. States can't do it effectively piecemeal. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Can Texas not do a training exercise (Operation Build a big fucking fence and guard it)? they could. The larger issue is an effective fence is only of value when properly surveilled. Who will do the surveillance? And there is the physical cost. So texas builds a fence. they cross from New Mexico or Arizona or California. And then cross into Texas through state borders. Border security is a core function of the federal government. States can't do it effectively piecemeal. They are going to have to somehow because it is PERFECTLY CLEAR now that the Federal government has abrogated its responsibility in this area. |
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They are going to have to somehow because it is PERFECTLY CLEAR now that the Federal government has abrogated its responsibility in this area. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Can Texas not do a training exercise (Operation Build a big fucking fence and guard it)? they could. The larger issue is an effective fence is only of value when properly surveilled. Who will do the surveillance? And there is the physical cost. So texas builds a fence. they cross from New Mexico or Arizona or California. And then cross into Texas through state borders. Border security is a core function of the federal government. States can't do it effectively piecemeal. They are going to have to somehow because it is PERFECTLY CLEAR now that the Federal government has abrogated its responsibility in this area. California and New Mexico won't play. Crossing into New Mexico and then diverting East and West nullifies any efforts on Texas and Arizona's part. |
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Bet on it. 1000 troops won't do shit to solve the problem he's ignored for the last dozen years. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I just hope he isn't grandstanding like usual. Bet on it. 1000 troops won't do shit to solve the problem he's ignored for the last dozen years. Somebody wants to run for President in 2016. |
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California and New Mexico won't play. Crossing into New Mexico and then diverting East and West nullifies any efforts on Texas and Arizona's part. View Quote Which is what it is. This whole thing about the border is like drilling here in the states. For years the dems and libs said even if we started to drill right now we wouldn't have oil for at least 5 years. Some one, some governor, some state, has to do something. Some one has to start the ball rolling. The feds sure the Hell aren't and they claim the job. Where comprehensive monitoring, where fencing has been built, where arrests have been made, the tactics have been effective. To say NM and Cali nullify TX and AZ so why bother is just giving the administration what they want. |
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He's only just now doing this for his presidential campaign. He should have done this long ago. Won't even matter because their hands will be tied, and they will just turn any illegals over to dhs, and processed into new homes here.
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Quoted: Well, he's doing more than any of the other fucksticks have done. View Quote So true. Of course Perry's doing this for political purposes. But at least he's doing something. I'd like to see a few videos of mag dumps/warning shots in front of some illegals people trying to enter the USA. Something that would help others decide to stay at home. |
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Quoted: Somehow I'm not surprised you would say that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I guess it's a worthwhile symbolic step, but as above, anything short of "shoot the invaders" will have no effect on this. Somehow I'm not surprised you would say that. |
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Pessimism
Its all in the way we view things; either Texas is half full of illegal immigrants or half empty. Bishop3 |
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Need a several thousands of these lined up on the boarder http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140317134231/robocop/images/e/e7/Art-robocop-ED-209-05.jpg View Quote It's BORDER dammit! A BOARDER is someone renting a fucking room! |
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Excuse my ignorance....what is the "Texas State Guard"? Different than the National Guard? Unless I ama complete moron, I don't believe we have a Michigan State Guard?
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Did not know the S.A. had a presence in Somalia! *mind blown* View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Texas state guard? The Salvation Army in camo Did not know the S.A. had a presence in Somalia! *mind blown* Are you trying to erroneously tell us that the Texas State Guard deployed to Somalia? Quoted:
Excuse my ignorance....what is the "Texas State Guard"? Different than the National Guard? Unless I ama complete moron, I don't believe we have a Michigan State Guard? A state-sponsored civic group that likes to pretend they are in the military. |
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California and New Mexico won't play. Crossing into New Mexico and then diverting East and West nullifies any efforts on Texas and Arizona's part. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Border security is a core function of the federal government. States can't do it effectively piecemeal. They are going to have to somehow because it is PERFECTLY CLEAR now that the Federal government has abrogated its responsibility in this area. California and New Mexico won't play. Crossing into New Mexico and then diverting East and West nullifies any efforts on Texas and Arizona's part. The time has come for Arizona and Texas to annex New Mexico as a protectorate and form Texazona. |
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Quoted: We have guys to watch it, and they are called the Texas Army National Guard. Hang out for a few and listen in on a few TXSG conversations before you go white knighting them. They are a bunch of clowns. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Brother I've been there, I got it. Life sucks downrange and it's a small band of brothers you rely on to get by. But while we're downrange we still need someone to watch out of the home front. The politics suck, it got it. But don't blame the guys are the ground volunteering to go do something about it. The roe's downrange are a load of politics horseshit too but you don't demean the guys who still volunteer to go. Hate the game not the player. We have guys to watch it, and they are called the Texas Army National Guard. Hang out for a few and listen in on a few TXSG conversations before you go white knighting them. They are a bunch of clowns. |
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Watching Perry read his statement at that press conference was beyond painful. He can barely string a sentence together.
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This is the chief political columnist for the Politico
Roger SimonVerified account ?@politicoroger Rick Perry sending 1,000 National Guard troops to border to shoot small children. Could make good headlines -- in Russia. View Quote |
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Quoted: They are going to have to somehow because it is PERFECTLY CLEAR now that the Federal government has abrogated its responsibility in this area. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Can Texas not do a training exercise (Operation Build a big fucking fence and guard it)? they could. The larger issue is an effective fence is only of value when properly surveilled. Who will do the surveillance? And there is the physical cost. So texas builds a fence. they cross from New Mexico or Arizona or California. And then cross into Texas through state borders. Border security is a core function of the federal government. States can't do it effectively piecemeal. They are going to have to somehow because it is PERFECTLY CLEAR now that the Federal government has abrogated its responsibility in this area. |
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They already are. The State Militia Clause of the COTUS is defunct. State militia's were fully absorbed nationally by the end of WWII. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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In before Obama nationalize's the Texas national guard. They already are. The State Militia Clause of the COTUS is defunct. State militia's were fully absorbed nationally by the end of WWII. State Militias still exist, but they are a sad shadow of their former selves, and the Texas State Guard is certainly no exception. The rise of the National Guard as we know it was the death knell for at least somewhat effective and substantial State military forces, although there were certainly a few States that held out for some time. The idea that the National Guard is the militia is silly when one considers their nature, which is why the Constitution's militia clauses are not really of relevance regarding them. |
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There was one clown that I know you're referring to and he was discharged for his actions if I remember correctly. That said, there are plenty of clowns in the National Guard and active duty as well, so no need to bash the state guard for it. People are people and some people suck, no matter which organization they are a part of. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Brother I've been there, I got it. Life sucks downrange and it's a small band of brothers you rely on to get by. But while we're downrange we still need someone to watch out of the home front. The politics suck, it got it. But don't blame the guys are the ground volunteering to go do something about it. The roe's downrange are a load of politics horseshit too but you don't demean the guys who still volunteer to go. Hate the game not the player. We have guys to watch it, and they are called the Texas Army National Guard. Hang out for a few and listen in on a few TXSG conversations before you go white knighting them. They are a bunch of clowns. The difference is the national guard is a military organization. The state guard is not. Some of them originally were able to get into the secure military forum but that was quickly rectified. Get back to me when the state guard goes on actual combat deployments. The boot camp is a joke. |
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The difference is the national guard is a military organization. The state guard is not. Some of them originally were able to get into the secure military forum but that was quickly rectified. Get back to me when the state guard goes on actual combat deployments. The boot camp is a joke. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Brother I've been there, I got it. Life sucks downrange and it's a small band of brothers you rely on to get by. But while we're downrange we still need someone to watch out of the home front. The politics suck, it got it. But don't blame the guys are the ground volunteering to go do something about it. The roe's downrange are a load of politics horseshit too but you don't demean the guys who still volunteer to go. Hate the game not the player. We have guys to watch it, and they are called the Texas Army National Guard. Hang out for a few and listen in on a few TXSG conversations before you go white knighting them. They are a bunch of clowns. The difference is the national guard is a military organization. The state guard is not. Some of them originally were able to get into the secure military forum but that was quickly rectified. Get back to me when the state guard goes on actual combat deployments. The boot camp is a joke. That they are pathetic is undeniable, but they are in fact State military organizations, just not very good ones (which IMO is something States should change). States can have their own military forces in the form of militias; the constitution probably would not have been ratified had things been understood differently. |
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No DECENT American can hate Texas. I went there once- Houston of all places. I'm sure there are plenty of crappy places in that city, but the parts I was in were nice. Anyway, while some of the chest thumping about how great Texas is gets a little old, no one can deny that Texas is what freedom loving people in the rest of the US wish their state was. Move it way from Mexico, and Texas would be the undisputed best place in the world to live. Period. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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In for the TX hate! No DECENT American can hate Texas. I went there once- Houston of all places. I'm sure there are plenty of crappy places in that city, but the parts I was in were nice. Anyway, while some of the chest thumping about how great Texas is gets a little old, no one can deny that Texas is what freedom loving people in the rest of the US wish their state was. Move it way from Mexico, and Texas would be the undisputed best place in the world to live. Period. O rly? Open carry of handguns, laboratory glass purchasing, the weather, etc. I don't hate Texas, but that is just silly. |
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The difference is the national guard is a military organization. The state guard is not. Some of them originally were able to get into the secure military forum but that was quickly rectified. Get back to me when the state guard goes on actual combat deployments. The boot camp is a joke. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Brother I've been there, I got it. Life sucks downrange and it's a small band of brothers you rely on to get by. But while we're downrange we still need someone to watch out of the home front. The politics suck, it got it. But don't blame the guys are the ground volunteering to go do something about it. The roe's downrange are a load of politics horseshit too but you don't demean the guys who still volunteer to go. Hate the game not the player. We have guys to watch it, and they are called the Texas Army National Guard. Hang out for a few and listen in on a few TXSG conversations before you go white knighting them. They are a bunch of clowns. The difference is the national guard is a military organization. The state guard is not. Some of them originally were able to get into the secure military forum but that was quickly rectified. Get back to me when the state guard goes on actual combat deployments. The boot camp is a joke. Show me where they claim to be combat arms |
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I'm wondering if they are actually armed with live ammo and ordered to be able to shoot?
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The difference is the national guard is a military organization. The state guard is not. Some of them originally were able to get into the secure military forum but that was quickly rectified. Get back to me when the state guard goes on actual combat deployments. The boot camp is a joke. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Brother I've been there, I got it. Life sucks downrange and it's a small band of brothers you rely on to get by. But while we're downrange we still need someone to watch out of the home front. The politics suck, it got it. But don't blame the guys are the ground volunteering to go do something about it. The roe's downrange are a load of politics horseshit too but you don't demean the guys who still volunteer to go. Hate the game not the player. We have guys to watch it, and they are called the Texas Army National Guard. Hang out for a few and listen in on a few TXSG conversations before you go white knighting them. They are a bunch of clowns. The difference is the national guard is a military organization. The state guard is not. Some of them originally were able to get into the secure military forum but that was quickly rectified. Get back to me when the state guard goes on actual combat deployments. The boot camp is a joke. I bet those TXSG get shot at more than 90% of everyone who deployed to Kuwait or Qatar |
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Brother I've been there, I got it. Life sucks downrange and it's a small band of brothers you rely on to get by. But while we're downrange we still need someone to watch out of the home front. The politics suck, it got it. But don't blame the guys are the ground volunteering to go do something about it. The roe's downrange are a load of politics horseshit too but you don't demean the guys who still volunteer to go. Hate the game not the player. We have guys to watch it, and they are called the Texas Army National Guard. Hang out for a few and listen in on a few TXSG conversations before you go white knighting them. They are a bunch of clowns. The difference is the national guard is a military organization. The state guard is not. Some of them originally were able to get into the secure military forum but that was quickly rectified. Get back to me when the state guard goes on actual combat deployments. The boot camp is a joke. Show me where they claim to be combat arms As militia, even if they included combat arms within their organization (which historically, militias did, including infantry, artillery, etc.), they would not be getting deployed anywhere outside of U.S. soil due to the laws and traditions of this country regarding the militia; if they were to ever see combat, it would have to take place on U.S. soil or along its land and maritime borders. |
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Show me where they claim to be combat arms View Quote That has absolutely zero to do with the discussion. Zero. They are not military, and I personally think the uniforms and military structure do them a disservice to an otherwise potentially good organization by attracting the wrong crowd and mentality. I'm still trying to make sense of your statement that they were in Somalia. Just about every TXSG member that has been present on this board has fabricated large amounts of nonsense in one form or another, including their equivalent to an 04 in their ranks. Every interaction I have personally had with them while in Texas has been mind-numbingly frustrating and often downright insulting. I have seen a broad scope of the organization and there has been absolutely nothing to lead me away from the conclusion that they are a bunch of wannabees riding the fact that they get to wear a uniform and have the ability to lead people on into believing they are something they are not. In fact, up until a few years ago when it got blown open here the majority of them were posting that they were military veterans and demanded the respect and customs/courtesies afforded to servicemembers. I have seen them wearing their uniforms at gun ranges and around town on non-drill weekends looking for validation, and every major airport in Texas has them scurrying about (again in uniform) doing the same. I had one kid around 2006 at a buddy's ranch tell me I needed to go to parade rest while talking to him because I was an E4 and he was an E5 in the TXSG. I was on convo leave from a 15 month Iraq tour after taking frag from a hand grenade at the time, didn't pan out as he expected. The bottom line is they are generally a joke thanks to the model they have created for themselves. Calling them up is symbolic in nature and nothing but a politically motivated waste of time and money. |
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That has absolutely zero to do with the discussion. Zero. They are not military, and I personally think the uniforms and military structure do them a disservice to an otherwise potentially good organization by attracting the wrong crowd and mentality. I'm still trying to make sense of your statement that they were in Somalia. Just about every TXSG member that has been present on this board has fabricated large amounts of nonsense in one form or another, including their equivalent to an 04 in their ranks. Every interaction I have personally had with them while in Texas has been mind-numbingly frustrating and often downright insulting. I have seen a broad scope of the organization and there has been absolutely nothing to lead me away from the conclusion that they are a bunch of wannabees riding the fact that they get to wear a uniform and have the ability to lead people on into believing they are something they are not. In fact, up until a few years ago when it got blown open here the majority of them were posting that they were military veterans and demanded the respect and customs/courtesies afforded to servicemembers. I have seen them wearing their uniforms at gun ranges and around town on non-drill weekends looking for validation, and every major airport in Texas has them scurrying about (again in uniform) doing the same. I had one kid around 2006 at a buddy's ranch tell me I needed to go to parade rest while talking to him because I was an E4 and he was an E5 in the TXSG. I was on convo leave from a 15 month Iraq tour after taking frag from a hand grenade at the time, didn't pan out as he expected. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Show me where they claim to be combat arms That has absolutely zero to do with the discussion. Zero. They are not military, and I personally think the uniforms and military structure do them a disservice to an otherwise potentially good organization by attracting the wrong crowd and mentality. I'm still trying to make sense of your statement that they were in Somalia. Just about every TXSG member that has been present on this board has fabricated large amounts of nonsense in one form or another, including their equivalent to an 04 in their ranks. Every interaction I have personally had with them while in Texas has been mind-numbingly frustrating and often downright insulting. I have seen a broad scope of the organization and there has been absolutely nothing to lead me away from the conclusion that they are a bunch of wannabees riding the fact that they get to wear a uniform and have the ability to lead people on into believing they are something they are not. In fact, up until a few years ago when it got blown open here the majority of them were posting that they were military veterans and demanded the respect and customs/courtesies afforded to servicemembers. I have seen them wearing their uniforms at gun ranges and around town on non-drill weekends looking for validation, and every major airport in Texas has them scurrying about (again in uniform) doing the same. I had one kid around 2006 at a buddy's ranch tell me I needed to go to parade rest while talking to him because I was an E4 and he was an E5 in the TXSG. I was on convo leave from a 15 month Iraq tour after taking frag from a hand grenade at the time, didn't pan out as he expected. Question for you then. You consider everyone in the txsg a fraud then? |
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Question for you then. You consider everyone in the txsg a fraud then? View Quote Not at all, but institutionally they have created a situation for themselves where they seem to breed blatant douchebaggery. There are prior service mil in their ranks, and a good friend of mine actually did 7-8 years with them in East Texas. That doesn't change the fact that they need to turn down the burner on the whole military thing, and focus more on community and civic responsibility without the associated tether of implied military service. |
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Not at all, but institutionally they have created a situation for themselves where they seem to breed blatant douchebaggery. There are prior service mil in their ranks, and a good friend of mine actually did 7-8 years with them in East Texas. That doesn't change the fact that they need to turn down the burner on the whole military thing, and focus more on community and civic responsibility without the associated tether of implied military service. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Question for you then. You consider everyone in the txsg a fraud then? Not at all, but institutionally they have created a situation for themselves where they seem to breed blatant douchebaggery. There are prior service mil in their ranks, and a good friend of mine actually did 7-8 years with them in East Texas. That doesn't change the fact that they need to turn down the burner on the whole military thing, and focus more on community and civic responsibility without the associated tether of implied military service. See we actually agree on something. Don't judge the entire organization based on a few shit bags and the political bs from politicians. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Serious question. Are they allowed to prevent the people from getting here? Or are they additional transportation for BP to use to get people to camps ? |
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Are you trying to erroneously tell us that the Texas State Guard deployed to Somalia? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Texas state guard? The Salvation Army in camo Did not know the S.A. had a presence in Somalia! *mind blown* Are you trying to erroneously tell us that the Texas State Guard deployed to Somalia? No... I'm factually saying that I DID NOT KNOW that the Salvation Army (abbreviated as S.A., as I mistakenly thought that nobody could possibly confuse the two... guess I was wrong) was in Somalia, the location the quoted poster shows in his kitchy little political statement of flying the Somali flag. But you're so wrapped around the axle on this that you dumped your sense of humor way back to carry more hate for the TXSG. And while I'm not going to argue the point(s) with you, you are sure spun up about it like I've never seen anyone on an issue here. You DO NOT pass up an opportunity to take a shot at them. |
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