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Our State Guard is traditionally called out for disaster assistance. The Texas National Guard used to do this a lot as well (and probably still does), but they are also on call to provide help as the Federal government sees fit. One officer in my home town got to sit on the boarder for 2 years iirc. All it does as change the route though - as Federal policy is the spice must flow.
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Aren't you guys tired of the Libertarian / BeeKeeper pissing match yet?
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"Hope and change" vs "hoping for some loose change" The feds ain't gonna pay shit. Sorry to say, but this is gonna be paid for by Texans. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Gov Perry says that it is state money for now, but he expects the Federal Government to respect its constitutional requirement to secure the border and reimburse the State. "Hope and change" vs "hoping for some loose change" The feds ain't gonna pay shit. Sorry to say, but this is gonna be paid for by Texans. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile And will do absolutely nothing. So let's say a few of these guys on outpost, spot some nefarious illegals, what are they going to do......just call in their position to BP? Apprehend them? Either way is going to equal the same result. They will be remanded to BP and go through the exact same process that is happening now. Sweet. Just like everything else a high profile politician does, this is just a fucking publicity stunt. If somehow I am wrong, I will gladly apologize give Governor Perry the credit that is deserved. Until then, I'm calling bullshit. Hopefully, we can get Issa to get a hearing scheduled too.....there is some motherfucker's out there that need a stern talking to, and maybe if we are lucky, a strongly worded letter. |
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Quoted: In sure they will hand out literally hundreds of pounds of water during this ordeal, and will wear their uniforms into every establishment within 300 miles on the hunt for 'attaboys. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The press conference did not say anything about transporting illegals to camps or bases. However, General Nichols did say that most guardsmen are trained in combat first aid and they would use that skill if needed. Isn't the Texas State Guard an un-armed, all volunteer service that does well... nothing? In sure they will hand out literally hundreds of pounds of water during this ordeal, and will wear their uniforms into every establishment within 300 miles on the hunt for 'attaboys. Your horseshit is truly underwhelming. The TXSG does all kinds of stuff that most would consider relevant. The do swiftwater rescue, help the Air Guard with maintenance, do disaster relief medical work, handle adjunct emergency coms...all kinds of shit. I hope you never find yourself in a position of needing some of the stuff the TXSG does...and if you do...I hope there aren't any mirrors around. |
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Not exactly. The guard is normally in a status governored under Title 32 of the US Code. Guardsman under this status report to the governor. (Title 32 Status) When activated under federal service, they fall under Title 10 (Title 10 status) which reports to the President (through the Geographic Combatant Commander and down). I don't think Title 10 inactive status is possible for guardsman, like it is for reservists, but I don't know for sure. Reservists are always under Title 10. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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In before Obama nationalize's the Texas national guard. Not exactly. The guard is normally in a status governored under Title 32 of the US Code. Guardsman under this status report to the governor. (Title 32 Status) When activated under federal service, they fall under Title 10 (Title 10 status) which reports to the President (through the Geographic Combatant Commander and down). I don't think Title 10 inactive status is possible for guardsman, like it is for reservists, but I don't know for sure. Reservists are always under Title 10. Doesn't the Governor have to sign on the dotted line for National Guard units to become Federalized? |
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Doesn't the Governor have to sign on the dotted line for National Guard units to become Federalized? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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In before Obama nationalize's the Texas national guard. Not exactly. The guard is normally in a status governored under Title 32 of the US Code. Guardsman under this status report to the governor. (Title 32 Status) When activated under federal service, they fall under Title 10 (Title 10 status) which reports to the President (through the Geographic Combatant Commander and down). I don't think Title 10 inactive status is possible for guardsman, like it is for reservists, but I don't know for sure. Reservists are always under Title 10. Doesn't the Governor have to sign on the dotted line for National Guard units to become Federalized? Ultimately, no. |
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Quoted: The bad thing is if Perry activates them... the state of Texas pays for them. So you Texans may have to pay for each illegal to have his own butler while he makes his way across the fence. View Quote If it in some way stops them from coming or forces them into the other states, then perhaps it's cheaper in the long run then housing, feeding, clothing, and educating 50 FSA divisions. Texas may come out ahead. It also forces the administration to enforce or actively work against the law. |
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I hope those Guardsmen carry plenty of 50cal ammo, use extreme prejudice, and never get out of the boat.
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Quite to the contrary, I think it sounds great. I just expect it to be a big show and no blow. He'll still have to abide by federal immigration policy, so basically this just means TX NG will be escorting the illegals to their new quarters on military bases or in luxury resorts. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quite to the contrary, I think it sounds great. I just expect it to be a big show and no blow. He'll still have to abide by federal immigration policy, so basically this just means TX NG will be escorting the illegals to their new quarters on military bases or in luxury resorts. Annnnnnd he nails it. |
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Not exactly. The guard is normally in a status governored under Title 32 of the US Code. Guardsman under this status report to the governor. (Title 32 Status) When activated under federal service, they fall under Title 10 (Title 10 status) which reports to the President (through the Geographic Combatant Commander and down). I don't think Title 10 inactive status is possible for guardsman, like it is for reservists, but I don't know for sure. Reservists are always under Title 10. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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In before Obama nationalize's the Texas national guard. Not exactly. The guard is normally in a status governored under Title 32 of the US Code. Guardsman under this status report to the governor. (Title 32 Status) When activated under federal service, they fall under Title 10 (Title 10 status) which reports to the President (through the Geographic Combatant Commander and down). I don't think Title 10 inactive status is possible for guardsman, like it is for reservists, but I don't know for sure. Reservists are always under Title 10. I'm no lawyer but it was my understanding that the governor could refuse the call up. Of course Lucy would have some 'splainin to do when it comes to getting Federal dollars if that ever happened. I would guess its also unprecedented. |
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Your horseshit is truly underwhelming. The TXSG does all kinds of stuff that most would consider relevant. The do swiftwater rescue, help the Air Guard with maintenance, do disaster relief medical work, handle adjunct emergency coms...all kinds of shit. I hope you never find yourself in a position of needing some of the stuff the TXSG does...and if you do...I hope there aren't any mirrors around. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The press conference did not say anything about transporting illegals to camps or bases. However, General Nichols did say that most guardsmen are trained in combat first aid and they would use that skill if needed. Isn't the Texas State Guard an un-armed, all volunteer service that does well... nothing? In sure they will hand out literally hundreds of pounds of water during this ordeal, and will wear their uniforms into every establishment within 300 miles on the hunt for 'attaboys. I hope you never find yourself in a position of needing some of the stuff the TXSG does...and if you do...I hope there aren't any mirrors around. You forgot to add ground guiding apaches too. Lol. Yeah, I hope the day doesn't come where I need assistance from 60 year olds and overweight asthmatics with 40 hours of red cross CPR training under their belts....shit will have gone pretty bad for me. |
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Quoted: May return fire only if fired upon. May only use bean bags. Finger guns shouting PEW! PEW! PEW! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Are they going to have weapons and ammo? ROEs? May return fire only if fired upon. May only use bean bags. Finger guns shouting PEW! PEW! PEW! |
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I have yet to read a response with a real answer to my question.
While I appreciate the attempt by the gov to put Hussein in a tight spot with this, it will still be all talk if they can't prevent them from getting here in the first place. Simply adding bodies for the illegals to surrender to doesn't do much. |
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I know. It always amuses me though when I am treated with contempt for stating the simple truth I am a conservative, but with strong libertarian leanings, a la Sean Hannity. I guess I'm not "pure enough" for some. ::shrug:: View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Shhhhhhh--don't tell anyone. They don't like that made public, as they are just rational enough to know it hurts their credibility to the core. Doesn't bother me. It's one of many reasons I'm not a member of their party. I know. It always amuses me though when I am treated with contempt for stating the simple truth I am a conservative, but with strong libertarian leanings, a la Sean Hannity. I guess I'm not "pure enough" for some. ::shrug:: Now it all makes more sense....I always here you talk about how you lean so hard to the libertarian side on alot of things. It all makes sense now that I know your definition of this is Sean fucking Hannity And you are treated with contempt because you troll threads looking for any reason you can to spout some half truth bullshit about how evil libertarians are. It's gotten so bad, that if I see a post by you and it's not blatantly trolling libertarians I think to myself "holy shit, that's really weird". The fact that I have witnessed you use so many of the same argumentative tactics that the libs do, has pretty much forced me to not take you seriously on pretty much anything else. You constantly refuse to acknowledge facts and instead rely on emotional retorts and sarcasm while failing to address what you are being called out / questioned on. And if I had to guess, the fact that you are site staff and yet, do little more than troll threads with even a hint of libertarians exponentially increases the contempt. Look at this thread for fucks sake......you come blazing in spouting your open borders bullshit, when there was literally no one arguing that point whatsoever. You bring this on yourself and then cry the victim....it's amusing. And here I will save you the time....no I am not a Libertarian, no I do not vote for Ron Paul, etc. |
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I hope this ain't going to be a dog n pony show. Lots of Texas Guard have relatives over there. Damn I'm trying hard not to be negative here.
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In before Obama nationalize's the Texas national guard. Not exactly. The guard is normally in a status governored under Title 32 of the US Code. Guardsman under this status report to the governor. (Title 32 Status) When activated under federal service, they fall under Title 10 (Title 10 status) which reports to the President (through the Geographic Combatant Commander and down). I don't think Title 10 inactive status is possible for guardsman, like it is for reservists, but I don't know for sure. Reservists are always under Title 10. Doesn't the Governor have to sign on the dotted line for National Guard units to become Federalized? Ultimately, no. Because "fuck you, that's how DoD works", or because of an articulated process in the US Code? Genuinely curious. The less legally fuzzy this issue is, the better off all parties will be. |
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Quoted: I wish you could ignore staff. His shtick got old a year ago. But I guess he has to work double time since his biggest fan is banned. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Aren't you guys tired of the Libertarian / BeeKeeper pissing match yet? Just fucking let it go already. Both sides. Numbfucks. I wish you could ignore staff. His shtick got old a year ago. But I guess he has to work double time since his biggest fan is banned. |
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Quoted: I wish you could ignore staff. His shtick got old a year ago. But I guess he has to work double time since his biggest fan is banned. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Aren't you guys tired of the Libertarian / BeeKeeper pissing match yet? Just fucking let it go already. Both sides. Numbfucks. I wish you could ignore staff. His shtick got old a year ago. But I guess he has to work double time since his biggest fan is banned. RIP gonoles |
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Good move. But it sure took him long enough. He should have done this years ago.
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Aren't you guys tired of the Libertarian / BeeKeeper pissing match yet? Just fucking let it go already. Both sides. Numbfucks. I wish you could ignore staff. His shtick got old a year ago. But I guess he has to work double time since his biggest fan is banned. BUT, if you go back and read old threads, you will quickly notice who the first person to shit in them is 90% of the time. Why does a thread about Gov Perry working on the border need to turn into a Libertarian thread? Who was that I wonder? Hmmmm. |
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He's not even sending them with guns. Not sure why everyone is getting all excited. Seems like a dog and pony show
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Because "fuck you, that's how DoD works", or because of an articulated process in the US Code? Genuinely curious. The less legally fuzzy this issue is, the better off all parties will be. View Quote US Law circa 1986 (I think) ETA http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1989/Perpich-Asks-Supreme-Court-To-Review-National-Guard-Lawsuit-Decision/id-4c3df8ac794f6e19a864feeebe2327a0 ST. PAUL, MINN. ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) _ Gov. Rudy Perpich said Tuesday he is asking the U.S. Supreme Court to review an appellate decision upholding a law that stripped governors of their veto power over National Guard training missions. Congress enacted the law, known as the Montgomery Amendment, after several governors in 1985 and 1986 objected to deployment of National Guard personnel on maneuvers in Central America, where the governors felt there was a danger of involvement in wars. The law ''presents a states' rights issue of historical importance,'' Perpich said at a news conference. ''Because of conflicting decisions in the lower courts, this issue warrants a final resolution by the Supreme Court.'' Perpich said he has never disapproved of any federal training deployment of the Minnesota National Guard, but is challenging the law's constitutionality because it invades on a governor's authority. Perpich initially challenged the Montgomery Amendment on Jan. 28, 1987. The amendment to a 1986 defense bill says governors may not withhold their consent to National Guard missions ''because of any objection to the location, purpose, type or schedule of such active duty.'' |
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He's not even sending them with guns. Not sure why everyone is getting all excited. Seems like a dog and pony show The only "sweep and clear" missions are going to be performed in space used for shelters, lol. |
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Can they shoot back at the coyotes, like the ones that opened up on Americans, BP I think?
Unless they are locked and load and can engage as necessary, then this is all show. |
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Why the hate? Sounds like a good thing to me. Go TX! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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In for the TX hate! Why the hate? Sounds like a good thing to me. Go TX! i agree it is a good thing. There are members here that do not - and just love to pile in on anything related to TX. |
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If I were Rick Perry, I'd have to strongly consider Obama-style selective adherence to federal law at that point. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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In before Obama nationalize's the Texas national guard. If I were Rick Perry, I'd have to strongly consider Obama-style selective adherence to federal law at that point. No. It would be awesome. You just added 20K more federal troops doing NOTHING. It would cost 2 billion a year. |
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Operation "Strong Safety" or something or another to go to the border and assist the border patrol! Press conference is live now. View Quote "Strong Safety" was in 2013. Did the Texas State Guard actually get activated? I doubt it - probably just the Texas National Guard, a different outfit altogether. |
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So what exactly is their mission? What are they actually going to do?
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Can they shoot back at the coyotes, like the ones that opened up on Americans, BP I think? Unless they are locked and load and can engage as necessary, then this is all show. View Quote Historically, NG troops have been withdrawn from specific areas when they take fire. The Rules of Engagement be Comprehensive Risk Management, yo! |
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TAG Nichols specifically said in the press conference today that elements of the TXSG would also be mobilized. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Operation "Strong Safety" or something or another to go to the border and assist the border patrol! Press conference is live now. "Strong Safety" was in 2013. Did the State Guard actually get activated? I doubt it - probably just the TXNG, a different outfit altogether. Link, please? I need to look into this asap. TXSG doesn't really do border guard stuff these days, since they stripped MP from our list of roles in the early 1990's. Mostly medical/disaster relief/shelter, though we do a little training on security now and then. Depends heavily on the unit. For the haters, the state gets a considerable return for their minor investment in the TXSG, but since the hurricane machine has been aimed elsewhere, you won't hear anything about us. Like us or not, we serve when called on. |
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Why would Obama not want this? This is exactly what he would want. The Texas NG is doing what Obama tasked the border patrol to do. In fact it would not surprise me if Obama told Perry to do this.
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Quoted: In for the TX hate! View Quote No DECENT American can hate Texas. I went there once- Houston of all places. I'm sure there are plenty of crappy places in that city, but the parts I was in were nice. Anyway, while some of the chest thumping about how great Texas is gets a little old, no one can deny that Texas is what freedom loving people in the rest of the US wish their state was. Move it way from Mexico, and Texas would be the undisputed best place in the world to live. Period. |
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Quoted: Link, please? I need to look into this asap. TXSG doesn't really do border guard stuff these days, since they stripped MP from our list of roles in the early 1990's. Mostly medical/disaster relief/shelter, though we do a little training on security now and then. Depends heavily on the unit. For the haters, the state gets a considerable return for their minor investment in the TXSG, but since the hurricane machine has been aimed elsewhere, you won't hear anything about us. Like us or not, we serve when called on. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Operation "Strong Safety" or something or another to go to the border and assist the border patrol! Press conference is live now. "Strong Safety" was in 2013. Did the State Guard actually get activated? I doubt it - probably just the TXNG, a different outfit altogether. Link, please? I need to look into this asap. TXSG doesn't really do border guard stuff these days, since they stripped MP from our list of roles in the early 1990's. Mostly medical/disaster relief/shelter, though we do a little training on security now and then. Depends heavily on the unit. For the haters, the state gets a considerable return for their minor investment in the TXSG, but since the hurricane machine has been aimed elsewhere, you won't hear anything about us. Like us or not, we serve when called on. |
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No DECENT American can hate Texas. I went there once- Houston of all places. I'm sure there are plenty of crappy places in that city, but the parts I was in were nice. Anyway, while some of the chest thumping about how great Texas is gets a little old, no one can deny that Texas is what freedom loving people in the rest of the US wish their state was. Move it way from Mexico, and Texas would be the undisputed best place in the world to live. Period. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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In for the TX hate! No DECENT American can hate Texas. I went there once- Houston of all places. I'm sure there are plenty of crappy places in that city, but the parts I was in were nice. Anyway, while some of the chest thumping about how great Texas is gets a little old, no one can deny that Texas is what freedom loving people in the rest of the US wish their state was. Move it way from Mexico, and Texas would be the undisputed best place in the world to live. Period. There's the problem. Most Americans are self important assholes. |
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Link, please? I need to look into this asap. TXSG doesn't really do border guard stuff these days, since they stripped MP from our list of roles in the early 1990's. Mostly medical/disaster relief/shelter, though we do a little training on security now and then. Depends heavily on the unit. For the haters, the state gets a considerable return for their minor investment in the TXSG, but since the hurricane machine has been aimed elsewhere, you won't hear anything about us. Like us or not, we serve when called on. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Operation "Strong Safety" or something or another to go to the border and assist the border patrol! Press conference is live now. "Strong Safety" was in 2013. Did the State Guard actually get activated? I doubt it - probably just the TXNG, a different outfit altogether. Link, please? I need to look into this asap. TXSG doesn't really do border guard stuff these days, since they stripped MP from our list of roles in the early 1990's. Mostly medical/disaster relief/shelter, though we do a little training on security now and then. Depends heavily on the unit. For the haters, the state gets a considerable return for their minor investment in the TXSG, but since the hurricane machine has been aimed elsewhere, you won't hear anything about us. Like us or not, we serve when called on. http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Maj-Gen-John-Nichols-on-Texas-Border-Security-072114_Dallas-Fort-Worth-267982631.html |
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