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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:22:35 AM EDT
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-Resting barrel on wood
-Flinching when pulling the trigger -Trigger punching with no follow through -Probably need glasses |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:26:38 AM EDT
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Other than something being loose I am baffled.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:27:15 AM EDT
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-Resting barrel on wood -Flinching when pulling the trigger -Trigger punching with no follow through -Probably need glasses But he shot well at 25 yards. I'm stumped. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:30:47 AM EDT
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But he shot well at 25 yards. I'm stumped. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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-Resting barrel on wood -Flinching when pulling the trigger -Trigger punching with no follow through -Probably need glasses But he shot well at 25 yards. I'm stumped. No, he didn't. 1"+ groups at 25 yards is much worse than that rifle is capable of. He should be seeing those size groups at 100 yards, not 25 yards. OP either needs a weekend of Appleseed training, or something is seriously fubared on that rifle. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:32:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, he didn't. 1"+ groups at 25 yards is much worse than that rifle is capable of. He should be seeing those size groups at 100 yards, not 25 yards. OP either needs a weekend of Appleseed training, or something is seriously fubared on that rifle. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: -Resting barrel on wood -Flinching when pulling the trigger -Trigger punching with no follow through -Probably need glasses But he shot well at 25 yards. I'm stumped. No, he didn't. 1"+ groups at 25 yards is much worse than that rifle is capable of. He should be seeing those size groups at 100 yards, not 25 yards. OP either needs a weekend of Appleseed training, or something is seriously fubared on that rifle. i'm pretty sure that the ammo the OP is using is not capable of 1 MOA |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:34:43 AM EDT
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................ No, he didn't. 1"+ groups at 25 yards is much worse than that rifle is capable of. He should be seeing those size groups at 100 yards, not 25 yards. OP either needs a weekend of Appleseed training, or something is seriously fubared on that rifle. I meant relatively speaking. The group really GOT BIG at 50 yards compared to 25 yards. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:39:20 AM EDT
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You were resting the barrel on that nub? That could be part of your issue. Why are you resting the barrel on something (putting downward pressure on a warm barrel) when you have a freefloat handguard? That can easily account for the larger/unpredictable group. Also could be the mount as mentioned earlier - though I would have assumed you checked that. rifles with non FF hand guards can shoot tighter groups than that at 50 yds. And when you hold/stabilize the rifle with normal carbine handguards, it puts pressure on the barrel. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:39:46 AM EDT
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Something is wrong.
Your groups at 25 yards should be one single hole, regardless of what kind of ammo you're using. No AR is such a delicate flower that it can't outshoot a 1911 at that distance. Take the damn thing apart and torque the barrel to spec, with a torque wrench (you're beyond eyeballing it at this point) then take off the optic and re-install after tightening the shit out of the QD mount. Then go to range with a bean bag or other proper support, rest the HANDGUARD on the bean bag (not the barrel, it's free float for fuck's sake), grip the rifle handguard gently and put some downward pressure on the handguard to minimize wobble, watch a your tube video about how to breathe when shooting, maybe get some fucking glasses... If it still doesn't work, throw it in the trash and FO. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:41:07 AM EDT
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Put some real glass on it like a 25x to see if its you or the eotech. If you can stack them with good glass, then you can't aim with a huge EO tech dot, however that is actually good shooting at 100 with no magnification. I would be happy with that. Uhh, isnt the eotech dot only 1 moa? Not what i would call huge......... |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:43:11 AM EDT
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Uhh, isnt the eotech dot only 1 moa? Not what i would call huge......... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Put some real glass on it like a 25x to see if its you or the eotech. If you can stack them with good glass, then you can't aim with a huge EO tech dot, however that is actually good shooting at 100 with no magnification. I would be happy with that. Uhh, isnt the eotech dot only 1 moa? Not what i would call huge......... It is, but if your eyesight sucks it can blur and get bigger. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:44:41 AM EDT
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I have a 16" AR with a PSA FN SAW type barrel. With iron sights and XM193 ammo the wife and I break clay's down quite easily at 50 yards sitting at a table with a grip-pod bipod.
I would find a better shooting position, rest, or bags and work on trigger control. Try a couple types of ammo as well.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:54:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2014 7:11:57 AM EDT
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What is the liklihood of an improperly torqued barrel from a complete upper purchased from a reputable vendor like PSA?
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Posted: 7/21/2014 7:20:02 AM EDT
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It is, but if your eyesight sucks it can blur and get bigger. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Put some real glass on it like a 25x to see if its you or the eotech. If you can stack them with good glass, then you can't aim with a huge EO tech dot, however that is actually good shooting at 100 with no magnification. I would be happy with that. Uhh, isnt the eotech dot only 1 moa? Not what i would call huge......... It is, but if your eyesight sucks it can blur and get bigger. That makes sense |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 7:21:54 AM EDT
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Put some real glass on it like a 25x to see if its you or the eotech. If you can stack them with good glass, then you can't aim with a huge EO tech dot, however that is actually good shooting at 100 with no magnification. I would be happy with that. Uhh, isnt the eotech dot only 1 moa? Not what i would call huge......... It is, but if your eyesight sucks it can blur and get bigger. That makes sense The Eotech is nice and crisp and at 25yds I can see the targets. at 50yds it gets a bit hard to see the target, but I can make out where the little targets are well enough to know where to shoot. Heading to the range tonight to try a few different things and will report back. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 7:33:26 AM EDT
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Something is wrong. Your groups at 25 yards should be one single hole, regardless of what kind of ammo you're using. No AR is such a delicate flower that it can't outshoot a 1911 at that distance. Take the damn thing apart and torque the barrel to spec, with a torque wrench (you're beyond eyeballing it at this point) then take off the optic and re-install after tightening the shit out of the QD mount. Then go to range with a bean bag or other proper support, rest the HANDGUARD on the bean bag (not the barrel, it's free float for fuck's sake), grip the rifle handguard gently and put some downward pressure on the handguard to minimize wobble, watch a your tube video about how to breathe when shooting, maybe get some fucking glasses... If it still doesn't work, throw it in the trash and FO. So your 1911 can shoot groups his size at 25 yards? |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 7:36:50 AM EDT
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Too many variables involved to give you a concise answer.
You just have to start eliminating possibles one by one. gd |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 7:41:49 AM EDT
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So your 1911 can shoot groups his size at 25 yards? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Something is wrong. Your groups at 25 yards should be one single hole, regardless of what kind of ammo you're using. No AR is such a delicate flower that it can't outshoot a 1911 at that distance. Take the damn thing apart and torque the barrel to spec, with a torque wrench (you're beyond eyeballing it at this point) then take off the optic and re-install after tightening the shit out of the QD mount. Then go to range with a bean bag or other proper support, rest the HANDGUARD on the bean bag (not the barrel, it's free float for fuck's sake), grip the rifle handguard gently and put some downward pressure on the handguard to minimize wobble, watch a your tube video about how to breathe when shooting, maybe get some fucking glasses... If it still doesn't work, throw it in the trash and FO. So your 1911 can shoot groups his size at 25 yards? No it can't. And his AR can't shoot "one single hole" groups at 25 yards either. It sure is easy to talk tough on the Internet. It's a lot harder to actually shoot groups. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1518887___ARFCOM_1_MOA_ALL_DAY_LONG__Challenge_.html |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 7:48:58 AM EDT
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Something has to be very loose OP. Or you're just a really bad shot. Sorry. I can probably group like your 25 yard group (definitely you 50yd grp) at 100 yards standing with no rest at all and I don't even consider myself very good. Hope you get it all sorted out.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 7:49:32 AM EDT
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The Eotech is nice and crisp and at 25yds I can see the targets. at 50yds it gets a bit hard to see the target, but I can make out where the little targets are well enough to know where to shoot. Heading to the range tonight to try a few different things and will report back. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Put some real glass on it like a 25x to see if its you or the eotech. If you can stack them with good glass, then you can't aim with a huge EO tech dot, however that is actually good shooting at 100 with no magnification. I would be happy with that. Uhh, isnt the eotech dot only 1 moa? Not what i would call huge......... It is, but if your eyesight sucks it can blur and get bigger. That makes sense The Eotech is nice and crisp and at 25yds I can see the targets. at 50yds it gets a bit hard to see the target, but I can make out where the little targets are well enough to know where to shoot. Heading to the range tonight to try a few different things and will report back. OP, try changing your target. How well your see the target in relation to the reticle can influence how well you can actually group your rounds. A 8 inch paper plate may provide better focus. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 7:51:54 AM EDT
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That might not be the best target to shoot at with a red dot. I'm not sure how much of a problem contrast might be for you.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 8:06:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1-7 twist does not work well with 55gr anything 1-7 needs a heavier bullet, try 69 gr Sierras They shoot anything from 55-77 grain OTM's and 70 grain Barnes TSX just fine. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 8:34:02 AM EDT
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Would this be a good target to use?
http://home.comcast.net/~j_colt123/Red%20Dot%2025yd.pdf Will also try some paper plates with black dot in center. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 8:42:17 AM EDT
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Use a target with black aiming point.
Use a better rest. A rolled up sleeping bag works if you don't want to get a sandbag or bag of lead shot. Should be able to get those groups even with that ammo to 2.5" or less at 50-yards. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 8:43:44 AM EDT
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No it can't. And his AR can't shoot "one single hole" groups at 25 yards either. It sure is easy to talk tough on the Internet. It's a lot harder to actually shoot groups. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1518887___ARFCOM_1_MOA_ALL_DAY_LONG__Challenge_.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Something is wrong. Your groups at 25 yards should be one single hole, regardless of what kind of ammo you're using. No AR is such a delicate flower that it can't outshoot a 1911 at that distance. Take the damn thing apart and torque the barrel to spec, with a torque wrench (you're beyond eyeballing it at this point) then take off the optic and re-install after tightening the shit out of the QD mount. Then go to range with a bean bag or other proper support, rest the HANDGUARD on the bean bag (not the barrel, it's free float for fuck's sake), grip the rifle handguard gently and put some downward pressure on the handguard to minimize wobble, watch a your tube video about how to breathe when shooting, maybe get some fucking glasses... If it still doesn't work, throw it in the trash and FO. So your 1911 can shoot groups his size at 25 yards? No it can't. And his AR can't shoot "one single hole" groups at 25 yards either. It sure is easy to talk tough on the Internet. It's a lot harder to actually shoot groups. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1518887___ARFCOM_1_MOA_ALL_DAY_LONG__Challenge_.html Are you kidding me? There's no way in hell that a site full of AR "enthusiasts" can't get a single ragged hole with an AR at 25 yards assuming it's either at an indoor range or with no wind. Same goes for a target grade 1911 on a bench rest. Or are you all just that shitty shots? |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 8:43:45 AM EDT
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Would this be a good target to use? http://home.comcast.net/~j_colt123/Red%20Dot%2025yd.pdf Will also try some paper plates with black dot in center. That's fine for a 25 yard target, but it's rather small at 50 yards. The trick on something that size at 50 yards is not to aim at the dots in the center, but at the center of the paper. A square 8" or 12" sheet of paper against a dark background provides a good contrast to center your A65 reticle. Trying to put that 1 MOA dot on a reddish diamond at 50 yards may cause you to lose focus on both the dot and the target. Another thing is your rest. You'll be more stable with a proper kneeling or seating position. Prone is the most stable. The important thing with kneeling/sitting/prone is to do it correctly. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 8:45:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you kidding me? There's no way in hell that a site full of AR "enthusiasts" can't get a single ragged hole with an AR at 25 yards assuming it's either at an indoor range or with no wind. Same goes for a target grade 1911 on a bench rest. Or are you all just that shitty shots? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Something is wrong. Your groups at 25 yards should be one single hole, regardless of what kind of ammo you're using. No AR is such a delicate flower that it can't outshoot a 1911 at that distance. Take the damn thing apart and torque the barrel to spec, with a torque wrench (you're beyond eyeballing it at this point) then take off the optic and re-install after tightening the shit out of the QD mount. Then go to range with a bean bag or other proper support, rest the HANDGUARD on the bean bag (not the barrel, it's free float for fuck's sake), grip the rifle handguard gently and put some downward pressure on the handguard to minimize wobble, watch a your tube video about how to breathe when shooting, maybe get some fucking glasses... If it still doesn't work, throw it in the trash and FO. So your 1911 can shoot groups his size at 25 yards? No it can't. And his AR can't shoot "one single hole" groups at 25 yards either. It sure is easy to talk tough on the Internet. It's a lot harder to actually shoot groups. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1518887___ARFCOM_1_MOA_ALL_DAY_LONG__Challenge_.html Are you kidding me? There's no way in hell that a site full of AR "enthusiasts" can't get a single ragged hole with an AR at 25 yards assuming it's either at an indoor range or with no wind. Same goes for a target grade 1911 on a bench rest. Or are you all just that shitty shots?  |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 8:48:55 AM EDT
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Are you kidding me? There's no way in hell that a site full of AR "enthusiasts" can't get a single ragged hole with an AR at 25 yards assuming it's either at an indoor range or with no wind. Same goes for a target grade 1911 on a bench rest. Or are you all just that shitty shots? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Something is wrong. Your groups at 25 yards should be one single hole, regardless of what kind of ammo you're using. No AR is such a delicate flower that it can't outshoot a 1911 at that distance. Take the damn thing apart and torque the barrel to spec, with a torque wrench (you're beyond eyeballing it at this point) then take off the optic and re-install after tightening the shit out of the QD mount. Then go to range with a bean bag or other proper support, rest the HANDGUARD on the bean bag (not the barrel, it's free float for fuck's sake), grip the rifle handguard gently and put some downward pressure on the handguard to minimize wobble, watch a your tube video about how to breathe when shooting, maybe get some fucking glasses... If it still doesn't work, throw it in the trash and FO. So your 1911 can shoot groups his size at 25 yards? No it can't. And his AR can't shoot "one single hole" groups at 25 yards either. It sure is easy to talk tough on the Internet. It's a lot harder to actually shoot groups. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1518887___ARFCOM_1_MOA_ALL_DAY_LONG__Challenge_.html Are you kidding me? There's no way in hell that a site full of AR "enthusiasts" can't get a single ragged hole with an AR at 25 yards assuming it's either at an indoor range or with no wind. Same goes for a target grade 1911 on a bench rest. Or are you all just that shitty shots? First you said "one single hole." Now it's "one ragged hole." Which is it? How big is your one ragged hole? |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 8:49:41 AM EDT
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There is a black circle red dot target on the FAQ that's calibrated for dot sights at 50-yards. I think Molon created it. That's what I used sighting in three uppers at 50-yards last week.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 8:52:08 AM EDT
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See this type of groups often on public range days. Have someone check it out(shoot it)
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Posted: 7/21/2014 8:53:50 AM EDT
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There is a black circle red dot target on the FAQ that's calibrated for dot sights at 50-yards. I think Molon created it. That's what I used sighting in three uppers at 50-yards last week. 18 pages, would you happen to have a link to it? Thx. nvm found it. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_18/468461_.html |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 8:56:29 AM EDT
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Should I just go straight out to 50 yards, or try 25 yards first again?
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Posted: 7/21/2014 8:57:42 AM EDT
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On the iPhone so I don't know but I'll try
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_18/468461_.html Two shooters with aim points using that target and we got groups as small as 1.2" to as large as 2.25" with that target at 50 depending on ammo, upper and shooter combo. Our best results were with PMC XTAC Xp193 |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 8:57:50 AM EDT
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If something was loose, wouldn't my 25 yard groups look like my 50 yard groups though? No offense your 25yd groups aren't good. They should be one ragged hole or very near it from a rest. 50yds unmagnified, maintaining POA will start becoming more of a challenge, especially if your reticle blooms or you have any visual impairment. Add any other shooter errors to that and you will see groups grow out of proportion to distance. Not saying something couldn't be loose, but barring that it is almost certainly you, equipment/ammo (excluding stability issues) tend to equal linear group growth. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 9:01:57 AM EDT
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-Resting barrel on wood -Flinching when pulling the trigger -Trigger punching with no follow through -Probably need glasses This + OP is 50lbs overweight? |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 9:03:10 AM EDT
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Should I just go straight out to 50 yards, or try 25 yards first again? I start out 1" low at 25 then move to 50. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 9:06:34 AM EDT
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-Resting barrel on wood -Flinching when pulling the trigger -Trigger punching with no follow through -Probably need glasses But he shot well at 25 yards. I'm stumped. No, he didn't. 1"+ groups at 25 yards is much worse than that rifle is capable of. He should be seeing those size groups at 100 yards, not 25 yards. OP either needs a weekend of Appleseed training, or something is seriously fubared on that rifle. i'm pretty sure that the ammo the OP is using is not capable of 1 MOA I might have to take that challenge. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 9:14:40 AM EDT
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You were resting the barrel on that nub? That could be part of your issue. Why are you resting the barrel on something (putting downward pressure on a warm barrel) when you have a freefloat handguard? That can easily account for the larger/unpredictable group. Also could be the mount as mentioned earlier - though I would have assumed you checked that. Not at that range.... |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 9:21:00 AM EDT
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Should I just go straight out to 50 yards, or try 25 yards first again? You should stop at the store to buy targets with black aiming points. That will clear up part of the problem. Orange targets are terrible, and they shouldn't be used with iron sights at all. They're practically useless at 100 yards. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 9:53:20 AM EDT
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Are you kidding me? There's no way in hell that a site full of AR "enthusiasts" can't get a single ragged hole with an AR at 25 yards assuming it's either at an indoor range or with no wind. Same goes for a target grade 1911 on a bench rest. Or are you all just that shitty shots? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Something is wrong. Your groups at 25 yards should be one single hole, regardless of what kind of ammo you're using. No AR is such a delicate flower that it can't outshoot a 1911 at that distance. Take the damn thing apart and torque the barrel to spec, with a torque wrench (you're beyond eyeballing it at this point) then take off the optic and re-install after tightening the shit out of the QD mount. Then go to range with a bean bag or other proper support, rest the HANDGUARD on the bean bag (not the barrel, it's free float for fuck's sake), grip the rifle handguard gently and put some downward pressure on the handguard to minimize wobble, watch a your tube video about how to breathe when shooting, maybe get some fucking glasses... If it still doesn't work, throw it in the trash and FO. So your 1911 can shoot groups his size at 25 yards? No it can't. And his AR can't shoot "one single hole" groups at 25 yards either. It sure is easy to talk tough on the Internet. It's a lot harder to actually shoot groups. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1518887___ARFCOM_1_MOA_ALL_DAY_LONG__Challenge_.html Are you kidding me? There's no way in hell that a site full of AR "enthusiasts" can't get a single ragged hole with an AR at 25 yards assuming it's either at an indoor range or with no wind. Same goes for a target grade 1911 on a bench rest. Or are you all just that shitty shots? Here ya go 14er. Let's see how you do. Post your results or stop talking. 1 MOA All Day Challenge (Rifles) 25 MOA All Day Challenge (Handguns) |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:33:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:42:08 AM EDT
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Something is wrong. Your groups at 25 yards should be one single hole, regardless of what kind of ammo you're using. No AR is such a delicate flower that it can't outshoot a 1911 at that distance. Take the damn thing apart and torque the barrel to spec, with a torque wrench (you're beyond eyeballing it at this point) then take off the optic and re-install after tightening the shit out of the QD mount. Then go to range with a bean bag or other proper support, rest the HANDGUARD on the bean bag (not the barrel, it's free float for fuck's sake), grip the rifle handguard gently and put some downward pressure on the handguard to minimize wobble, watch a your tube video about how to breathe when shooting, maybe get some fucking glasses... If it still doesn't work, throw it in the trash and FO. So your 1911 can shoot groups his size at 25 yards? No it can't. And his AR can't shoot "one single hole" groups at 25 yards either. It sure is easy to talk tough on the Internet. It's a lot harder to actually shoot groups. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1518887___ARFCOM_1_MOA_ALL_DAY_LONG__Challenge_.html Are you kidding me? There's no way in hell that a site full of AR "enthusiasts" can't get a single ragged hole with an AR at 25 yards assuming it's either at an indoor range or with no wind. Same goes for a target grade 1911 on a bench rest. Or are you all just that shitty shots? Here ya go 14er. Let's see how you do. Post your results or stop talking. 1 MOA All Day Challenge (Rifles) 25 MOA All Day Challenge (Handguns)  Callout thread. This might require video evidence as I can see a certain 14er leaving powder burns on the target. 
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Posted: 7/21/2014 12:03:42 PM EDT
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I have an Eotech. My POA wanders on a target. I have no trouble shooting objects at 50 yards though. I am talking offhand.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 12:08:35 PM EDT
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OP...also consider you're likely getting parallax at 25-50m, so if you don't have good fundamentals and a consistent cheek weld you could be seeing that pop up....
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Posted: 7/21/2014 12:20:03 PM EDT
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Remember that a dot, even a 1MOA dot covers a decent amount of the target at range, so getting a precise POA is more difficult than with a scope with a fine cross-hair. That said, 1MOA is ~.25" at 25 yds, ~.5" at 50yds, etc. IF you assume the ammo you had was at the full range of the approximately 2MOA requirement for M193 ammo, you can figure out what the maximum deviation should be due to ammo alone.
I think what everyone else has said is pretty much right on, especially with the marksmanship techniques and use of the wood as a "barrel rest." Don't get too discouraged though...once you figure out how to shoot it, you'll be surprised just how well you can shoot with a non magnified red dot. You should be able to easily shoot < 4MOA with it at 200yds if you do your part. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 12:22:46 PM EDT
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That's fine for a 25 yard target, but it's rather small at 50 yards. The trick on something that size at 50 yards is not to aim at the dots in the center, but at the center of the paper. A square 8" or 12" sheet of paper against a dark background provides a good contrast to center your A65 reticle. Trying to put that 1 MOA dot on a reddish diamond at 50 yards may cause you to lose focus on both the dot and the target. Another thing is your rest. You'll be more stable with a proper kneeling or seating position. Prone is the most stable. The important thing with kneeling/sitting/prone is to do it correctly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would this be a good target to use? http://home.comcast.net/~j_colt123/Red%20Dot%2025yd.pdf Will also try some paper plates with black dot in center. That's fine for a 25 yard target, but it's rather small at 50 yards. The trick on something that size at 50 yards is not to aim at the dots in the center, but at the center of the paper. A square 8" or 12" sheet of paper against a dark background provides a good contrast to center your A65 reticle. Trying to put that 1 MOA dot on a reddish diamond at 50 yards may cause you to lose focus on both the dot and the target. Another thing is your rest. You'll be more stable with a proper kneeling or seating position. Prone is the most stable. The important thing with kneeling/sitting/prone is to do it correctly. Repeated in case folks missed that Jedi-trick. When the target dot is too small to see, use references and align things up exactly the same way each shot. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 12:30:50 PM EDT
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Wrong twist for grain weight or something interfering with barrel harmonics.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 12:37:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistorySo are you saying you want to donate one of those super LaRue rifles for me to have 
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Posted: 7/21/2014 12:42:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2014 1:01:36 PM EDT
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My eyesight sucks so my EOTech is a big fuzzy dot. That all clears up with a EOTech 3X magnifier and then the dot is crisp and clear. Try dimming the EOTech till you can barely see it and see if that helps with your aim. My Yankee Hill 1/9 16 inch at 100 yards here with cheap ass ammo. Did I mention my eyesight sucks? And I'm a novice shooter.
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