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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:05:28 PM EDT
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I've seen guys in that condition after climbing a set of stairs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"I can't breathe, I can't breathe, I can't breathe." The most mportant function of life was deprived of him, that's what killed him. The cops were probably unaware that he needed that to live. In order to say "I can't breathe, I can't breathe, I can't breathe.", you need to be breathing... speaking is a clear indicator of breathing. His unfortunate, accidental death was a direct result of his fighting with the LEOs. If all you can speak is words and phrases you are not breathing sufficently. I've seen guys in that condition after climbing a set of stairs. I've seen folks in that state after (eventually) standing up. 
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:07:05 PM EDT
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That's not what Texas statute says. There is a time to resist arrest by law enforcement and here, it's outlined in the law as when the arrest is unlawful or to resist an unlawful use of force. It's up to you to know when those situations are but the idea that you should NEVER resist arrest is a load of crap. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the life of me I can't understand why you would ever resist arrest. No cop has EVER said "Well he doesn't want to be arrested so let's let him go". 
Resisting is ALWAYS going to make it worse on YOU. You are going to get hurt and get more charges. If cops want to arrest you, you WILL be arrested. Your only option is to fight it in court or possibly at the police station afterwards while having a calm conversation. That's not what Texas statute says. There is a time to resist arrest by law enforcement and here, it's outlined in the law as when the arrest is unlawful or to resist an unlawful use of force. It's up to you to know when those situations are but the idea that you should NEVER resist arrest is a load of crap. True Plus what if the guy is a fake cop talking bullshit, you dont resit you die |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:09:52 PM EDT
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"I can't breathe, I can't breathe, I can't breathe." The most mportant function of life was deprived of him, that's what killed him. The cops were probably unaware that he needed that to live. So, he was saying he couldn't breathe... so what? What should happen, a time-out? Everyone gets up, he catches his breath, someone says, "Game on!" and the fight resumes? |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:10:34 PM EDT
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OK...you win. He was allergic to concrete. That's what killed him.
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So you have a copy of the coroners autopsy report? Please share it with the rest of us. OK...you win. He was allergic to concrete. That's what killed him.
I went back and look the "choke" started at :39 seconds and was released at :51 a whole 12 seconds. It is after the choke is released and he is on his side he is saying he can't breathe. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:11:36 PM EDT
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Just speculating here! I'd like to see the file of the Cop who jumped on his back & choked him out, I'll bet he has misbehaved before! He didn't choke him out. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:12:10 PM EDT
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NYPD wins again
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:12:40 PM EDT
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Believe it or not his death is a direct result of his actions. He may not have agreed with what the cops wanted to arrest him for but he would have gotten his day in court. All he had to do was put his hands behind his back and get charged with whatever they had on him. Failing his arms around and refusing to be put in cuffs was not the right life choice for him. Obviously the cops don't carry Tasers or his butt would have gotten lit up. Also I wouldn't have used the arm around the neck as a method to subdue him. Wether the cop was choking him or not it looks really bad and will result in a substantial payout to his family. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:13:22 PM EDT
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I went back and look the "choke" started at :39 seconds and was released at :51 a whole 12 seconds. It is after the choke is released and he is on his side he is saying he can't breathe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you have a copy of the coroners autopsy report? Please share it with the rest of us. OK...you win. He was allergic to concrete. That's what killed him.
I went back and look the "choke" started at :39 seconds and was released at :51 a whole 12 seconds. It is after the choke is released and he is on his side he is saying he can't breathe. If this was New Mexico i imagine they would have just put a couple mag dumps into him, shot him with a bean bag, then asked him to put his hands up and then asked him how he was doing and why he was on the premise that evening |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:14:17 PM EDT
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Just speculating here! I'd like to see the file of the Cop who jumped on his back & choked him out, I'll bet he has misbehaved before! He didn't choke him out. Ok excuse me, I'll fix it, Choke him Down! Is that better? |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:16:47 PM EDT
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Just curious, are any of you clowns going to look up what defines a chokehold?
I'll give you a hint: That ain't it. 
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:17:24 PM EDT
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Just curious, are any of you clowns going to look up what defines a chokehold? I'll give you a hint: That ain't it. Yeah that was a love hold. When I see family members I run up behind them and hug them until they have heart attacks of love. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:17:28 PM EDT
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With attitudes like your's, it's only a matter of time until we are all subjects.... He didn't resist shit until the cops decided to use bullshit excessive force. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the life of me I can't understand why you would ever resist arrest. No cop has EVER said "Well he doesn't want to be arrested so let's let him go".
Resisting is ALWAYS going to make it worse on YOU. You are going to get hurt and get more charges. If cops want to arrest you, you WILL be arrested. Your only option is to fight it in court or possibly at the police station afterwards while having a calm conversation. With attitudes like your's, it's only a matter of time until we are all subjects.... He didn't resist shit until the cops decided to use bullshit excessive force. What video did you watch? He was clearly resisting before the choke hold. I guess you saw his face being slammed into the sidewalk as well? |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:17:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, you just haven't run into the Right (or Wrong) Cop! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: death for selling untaxed cigs. seams fair. The cop will get a vacation, then a promotion. Shot, Tazed etc. know why? Because I'm not an malcontent trying to instigate drama. No, you just haven't run into the Right (or Wrong) Cop! |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:18:31 PM EDT
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Not only is the taxpayer on the hook for the coming jury award. We are gonna have to foot the bill for all the new desks all these clowns will need to do their 2 weeks desk duty for murdering the guy.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:20:28 PM EDT
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There is also a very obvious edit around :32 mark.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:21:56 PM EDT
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What video did you watch? He was clearly resisting before the choke hold. I guess you saw his face being slammed into the sidewalk as well? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the life of me I can't understand why you would ever resist arrest. No cop has EVER said "Well he doesn't want to be arrested so let's let him go".
Resisting is ALWAYS going to make it worse on YOU. You are going to get hurt and get more charges. If cops want to arrest you, you WILL be arrested. Your only option is to fight it in court or possibly at the police station afterwards while having a calm conversation. With attitudes like your's, it's only a matter of time until we are all subjects.... He didn't resist shit until the cops decided to use bullshit excessive force. What video did you watch? He was clearly resisting before the choke hold. I guess you saw his face being slammed into the sidewalk as well? When I think of resisting I think of punching someone, or pushing someone or kicking someone, not backing away with my palms out towards a person. Resisting means resisting. when I think of assault and negligent homocide I think of stuff like I just witnessed. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:24:04 PM EDT
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When I think of resisting I think of punching someone, or pushing someone or kicking someone, not backing away with my palms out towards a person. Resisting means resisting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the life of me I can't understand why you would ever resist arrest. No cop has EVER said "Well he doesn't want to be arrested so let's let him go".
Resisting is ALWAYS going to make it worse on YOU. You are going to get hurt and get more charges. If cops want to arrest you, you WILL be arrested. Your only option is to fight it in court or possibly at the police station afterwards while having a calm conversation. With attitudes like your's, it's only a matter of time until we are all subjects.... He didn't resist shit until the cops decided to use bullshit excessive force. What video did you watch? He was clearly resisting before the choke hold. I guess you saw his face being slammed into the sidewalk as well? When I think of resisting I think of punching someone, or pushing someone or kicking someone, not backing away with my palms out towards a person. Resisting means resisting. Go on.... |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:25:41 PM EDT
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For the life of me I can't understand why you would ever resist arrest. No cop has EVER said "Well he doesn't want to be arrested so let's let him go".
Resisting is ALWAYS going to make it worse on YOU. You are going to get hurt and get more charges. If cops want to arrest you, you WILL be arrested. Your only option is to fight it in court or possibly at the police station afterwards while having a calm conversation. With attitudes like your's, it's only a matter of time until we are all subjects.... He didn't resist shit until the cops decided to use bullshit excessive force. What video did you watch? He was clearly resisting before the choke hold. I guess you saw his face being slammed into the sidewalk as well? When I think of resisting I think of punching someone, or pushing someone or kicking someone, not backing away with my palms out towards a person. Resisting means resisting. Go on.... violent non compliance. assaulting a police officer, kicking and screaming and biting and stomping and you know, resisting. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:28:19 PM EDT
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violent non compliance. assaulting a police officer, kicking and screaming and biting and stomping and you know, resisting. So if you tried to arrest me and every time you grabbed my wrist to try and take control of me I broke free of your grasp and kept moving away from you, I would not be resisting your efforts to arrest me? |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:28:45 PM EDT
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It is fair. You sound like one of those liberals who complain about a woman getting killed by the police because she was speeding. No, the truth is that speeding was the initial reason why the cop tried to pull her over. She got killed because she ran from the cops and hit into a wall at 120MPH. In both situations, the person caused their own death by making stupid decisions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the life of me I can't understand why you would ever resist arrest. No cop has EVER said "Well he doesn't want to be arrested so let's let him go".
Resisting is ALWAYS going to make it worse on YOU. You are going to get hurt and get more charges. If cops want to arrest you, you WILL be arrested. Your only option is to fight it in court or possibly at the police station afterwards while having a calm conversation. Exactly. death for resisting seems fair. It is fair. You sound like one of those liberals who complain about a woman getting killed by the police because she was speeding. No, the truth is that speeding was the initial reason why the cop tried to pull her over. She got killed because she ran from the cops and hit into a wall at 120MPH. In both situations, the person caused their own death by making stupid decisions. Whose troll account are you? |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:29:58 PM EDT
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Quote Historyviolent non compliance. assaulting a police officer, kicking and screaming and biting and stomping and you know, resisting. Open hands - palms clearly facing up , If that shit happened here in Charlotte, NC it would be a really big deal... They about ransacked the courthouse when the police shot that guy running towards the cop for help |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:30:51 PM EDT
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So if you tried to arrest me and every time you grabbed my wrist to try and take control of me I broke free of your grasp and kept moving away from you, I would not be resisting your efforts to arrest me? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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violent non compliance. assaulting a police officer, kicking and screaming and biting and stomping and you know, resisting. So if you tried to arrest me and every time you grabbed my wrist to try and take control of me I broke free of your grasp and kept moving away from you, I would not be resisting your efforts to arrest me? Last time I checked that is called evasion. You can call evasion resisting if you If it helps you formulate an excuse to get it on. Evasion is different than resisting. That is why it has its own word. Sometimes tho you just got to get it on am I right? |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:33:38 PM EDT
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Last time I checked that is called evasion. You can call evasion resisting if you If it helps you formulate an excuse to get it on. Sometimes you have to get it on am I right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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violent non compliance. assaulting a police officer, kicking and screaming and biting and stomping and you know, resisting. So if you tried to arrest me and every time you grabbed my wrist to try and take control of me I broke free of your grasp and kept moving away from you, I would not be resisting your efforts to arrest me? Last time I checked that is called evasion. You can call evasion resisting if you If it helps you formulate an excuse to get it on. Sometimes you have to get it on am I right? S 205.30 Resisting arrest. A person is guilty of resisting arrest when he intentionally prevents or attempts to prevent a police officer or peace officer from effecting an authorized arrest of himself or another person. Resisting arrest is a class A misdemeanor. Did the individual in the video resist arrest as defined by NYS penal law? |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:34:49 PM EDT
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S 205.30 Resisting arrest. A person is guilty of resisting arrest when he intentionally prevents or attempts to prevent a police officer or peace officer from effecting an authorized arrest of himself or another person. Resisting arrest is a class A misdemeanor. Did the individual in the video resist arrest as defined by NYS penal law? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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violent non compliance. assaulting a police officer, kicking and screaming and biting and stomping and you know, resisting. So if you tried to arrest me and every time you grabbed my wrist to try and take control of me I broke free of your grasp and kept moving away from you, I would not be resisting your efforts to arrest me? Last time I checked that is called evasion. You can call evasion resisting if you If it helps you formulate an excuse to get it on. Sometimes you have to get it on am I right? S 205.30 Resisting arrest. A person is guilty of resisting arrest when he intentionally prevents or attempts to prevent a police officer or peace officer from effecting an authorized arrest of himself or another person. Resisting arrest is a class A misdemeanor. Did the individual in the video resist arrest as defined by NYS penal law? NYS Law 
I hope this guys family sues the shit out of the NYPD... Sometimes it makes you wonder how cops 25 years ago got the job done with a six shooter and a notepad - These guys have every tool to there disposal to prevent situations like this. Maybe if they just tried talking to the fucking guy..i guess nobody does that anymore |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:35:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: looks to me like his death was a direct result of getting choked to death. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: He may not have agreed with what the cops wanted to arrest him for but he would have gotten his day in court. All he had to do was put his hands behind his back and get charged with whatever they had on him. Failing his arms around and refusing to be put in cuffs was not the right life choice for him. looks to me like his death was a direct result of getting choked to death. The more he continued to fight the more the cops fought back. He could have stopped at anytime and the cops would stop trying to force him into handcuffs. I'll make it real simple for you brain surgeons. When a cop tells you are under arrest put your hands behind your back and go to jail. On the scene, right or wrong the cop is in charge. You get your day in court. Better to loose the battle and win the war, than catch a resisting arrest charge or die, doing the funky chicken on the sidewalk. Once you get processed through jail, get an attorney. They know the law better than you and 99.99% of the cops. Sue the city and the cops for wrongful arrest and retire to beach somewhere. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:37:24 PM EDT
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violent non compliance. assaulting a police officer, kicking and screaming and biting and stomping and you know, resisting. So if you tried to arrest me and every time you grabbed my wrist to try and take control of me I broke free of your grasp and kept moving away from you, I would not be resisting your efforts to arrest me? Last time I checked that is called evasion. You can call evasion resisting if you If it helps you formulate an excuse to get it on. Sometimes you have to get it on am I right? S 205.30 Resisting arrest. A person is guilty of resisting arrest when he intentionally prevents or attempts to prevent a police officer or peace officer from effecting an authorized arrest of himself or another person. Resisting arrest is a class A misdemeanor. Did the individual in the video resist arrest as defined by NYS penal law? NYS Law
I hope this guys family sues the shit out of the NYPD... Sometimes it makes you wonder how cops 25 years ago got the job done with a six shooter and a notepad - They beat the fuck outa people and the courts didn't care? |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:39:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThey beat the fuck outa people and the courts didn't care?
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:39:54 PM EDT
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All he had to do was submit to arrest. The more he continued to fight the more the cops fought back. He could have stopped at anytime and the cops would stop trying to force him into handcuffs. I'll make it real simple for you brain surgeons. When a cop tells you are under arrest put your hands behind your back and go to jail. On the scene, right or wrong the cop is in charge. You get your day in court. Better to loose the battle and win the war, than catch a resisting arrest charge or die, doing the funky chicken on the sidewalk. Once you get processed through jail, get an attorney. They know the law better than you and 99.99% of the cops. Sue the city and the cops for wrongful arrest and retire to beach somewhere. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He may not have agreed with what the cops wanted to arrest him for but he would have gotten his day in court. All he had to do was put his hands behind his back and get charged with whatever they had on him. Failing his arms around and refusing to be put in cuffs was not the right life choice for him. looks to me like his death was a direct result of getting choked to death. The more he continued to fight the more the cops fought back. He could have stopped at anytime and the cops would stop trying to force him into handcuffs. I'll make it real simple for you brain surgeons. When a cop tells you are under arrest put your hands behind your back and go to jail. On the scene, right or wrong the cop is in charge. You get your day in court. Better to loose the battle and win the war, than catch a resisting arrest charge or die, doing the funky chicken on the sidewalk. Once you get processed through jail, get an attorney. They know the law better than you and 99.99% of the cops. Sue the city and the cops for wrongful arrest and retire to beach somewhere. Only one side did any fighting in that video. Yup cops are in charge I agree. Right up until they murdered the guy. Then they are out of control. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:40:29 PM EDT
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Oh ok, that makes it ok then You are the one who implied cops got things done better when all they had was a 6 shooter and a pad and pen, not me. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:40:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When I think of resisting I think of punching someone, or pushing someone or kicking someone, not backing away with my palms out towards a person. Resisting means resisting. when I think of assault and negligent homocide I think of stuff like I just witnessed. Quote HistoryQuoted: When I think of resisting I think of punching someone, or pushing someone or kicking someone, not backing away with my palms out towards a person. Resisting means resisting. when I think of assault and negligent homocide I think of stuff like I just witnessed. Cop: Sir you are under arrest, put your hands behind your back. You: No The penalty for resisting arrest increases if the officer is injured. Punching, pushing and kicking would be Assault. The penalty for that increases if it is a police officer and then goes higher again if the officer is injured. Like I said above get arrested, go to jail and then hire an attorney. They know the law better than you and will keep you out of jail if possible. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:42:19 PM EDT
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When I think of resisting I think of punching someone, or pushing someone or kicking someone, not backing away with my palms out towards a person. Resisting means resisting. when I think of assault and negligent homocide I think of stuff like I just witnessed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the life of me I can't understand why you would ever resist arrest. No cop has EVER said "Well he doesn't want to be arrested so let's let him go".
Resisting is ALWAYS going to make it worse on YOU. You are going to get hurt and get more charges. If cops want to arrest you, you WILL be arrested. Your only option is to fight it in court or possibly at the police station afterwards while having a calm conversation. With attitudes like your's, it's only a matter of time until we are all subjects.... He didn't resist shit until the cops decided to use bullshit excessive force. What video did you watch? He was clearly resisting before the choke hold. I guess you saw his face being slammed into the sidewalk as well? When I think of resisting I think of punching someone, or pushing someone or kicking someone, not backing away with my palms out towards a person. Resisting means resisting. when I think of assault and negligent homocide I think of stuff like I just witnessed. If I tell you, "You're under arrest, now turn around and put your hands on the wall," and you don't, you're resisting. Not mention, "resistance to verbal commands" is a major red-flag warning sign that a suspect is going to fight. Start pulling your hands away and shit, forget it... you're going down. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:42:56 PM EDT
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I hope this guys family sues the shit out of the NYPD... Sometimes it makes you wonder how cops 25 years ago got the job done with a six shooter and a notepad - These guys have every tool to there disposal to prevent situations like this. Maybe if they just tried talking to the fucking guy..i guess nobody does that anymore Ugh... they did talk to him, who knows how long, since there was an obvious edit at 34 sec in. Looks to me like they were the calm ones. I only saw one guy yelling. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:45:30 PM EDT
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If I tell you, "You're under arrest, now turn around and put your hands on the wall," and you don't, you're resisting. Not mention, "resistance to verbal commands" is a major red-flag warning sign that a suspect is going to fight. Start pulling your hands away and shit, forget it... you're going down. Please dont rape me. Fire! Fire!! Where is my rape whistle? |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:45:55 PM EDT
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Yep I learned early on in life, go peaceably, or expect an asswhupping. Some people you just cant reach. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:46:01 PM EDT
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It sounds like he was fed up with being harassed by the police, at the beginning of the video he states he is tired of it. What would it take for you to reach your breaking point? Hmmm lets see abiding by the law would be a great start, not resisting arrest would be pretty smart also. But hey what do I know. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:46:09 PM EDT
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I hope this guys family sues the shit out of the NYPD... Sometimes it makes you wonder how cops 25 years ago got the job done with a six shooter and a notepad - These guys have every tool to there disposal to prevent situations like this. Maybe if they just tried talking to the fucking guy..i guess nobody does that anymore Ugh... they did talk to him, who knows how long, since there was an obvious edit at 34 sec in. Looks to me like they were the calm ones. I only saw one guy yelling. Well i hope they feel good , got to go home and all that 
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:47:32 PM EDT
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I hope this guys family sues the shit out of the NYPD... Sometimes it makes you wonder how cops 25 years ago got the job done with a six shooter and a notepad - These guys have every tool to there disposal to prevent situations like this. Maybe if they just tried talking to the fucking guy..i guess nobody does that anymore Quote HistoryQuoted:
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S 205.30 Resisting arrest. A person is guilty of resisting arrest when he intentionally prevents or attempts to prevent a police officer or peace officer from effecting an authorized arrest of himself or another person. Resisting arrest is a class A misdemeanor. Did the individual in the video resist arrest as defined by NYS penal law? NYS Law
I hope this guys family sues the shit out of the NYPD... Sometimes it makes you wonder how cops 25 years ago got the job done with a six shooter and a notepad - These guys have every tool to there disposal to prevent situations like this. Maybe if they just tried talking to the fucking guy..i guess nobody does that anymore More revisionist history. Back then they would even attempted hands on first, straight to baton. There is also a major edit of the video. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:47:58 PM EDT
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I hope this guys family sues the shit out of the NYPD... Sometimes it makes you wonder how cops 25 years ago got the job done with a six shooter and a notepad - These guys have every tool to there disposal to prevent situations like this. Maybe if they just tried talking to the fucking guy..i guess nobody does that anymore Ugh... they did talk to him, who knows how long, since there was an obvious edit at 34 sec in. Looks to me like they were the calm ones. I only saw one guy yelling. Well i hope they feel good , got to go home and all that http://www.ushmm.org/lcmedia/photo/lc/image/85/85436.jpg You already jumped straight into Nazis? Well, you certainly have won this argument based on fact and logic. I yield. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:48:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:48:33 PM EDT
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If I tell you, "You're under arrest, now turn around and put your hands on the wall," and you don't, you're resisting. Not mention, "resistance to verbal commands" is a major red-flag warning sign that a suspect is going to fight. Start pulling your hands away and shit, forget it... you're going down. Please dont rape me. Fire! Fire!! Where is my rape whistle? Frankly, watching the video, I was struck by how much "kinder and gentler" police work has gotten in 25 years. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:48:43 PM EDT
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"I can't breathe, I can't breathe, I can't breathe." The most mportant function of life was deprived of him, that's what killed him. The cops were probably unaware that he needed that to live. Screaming "I can't breath" is a pretty easy way to say "I am breathing". |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:49:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:49:39 PM EDT
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I hope this guys family sues the shit out of the NYPD... Sometimes it makes you wonder how cops 25 years ago got the job done with a six shooter and a notepad - These guys have every tool to there disposal to prevent situations like this. Maybe if they just tried talking to the fucking guy..i guess nobody does that anymore Ugh... they did talk to him, who knows how long, since there was an obvious edit at 34 sec in. Looks to me like they were the calm ones. I only saw one guy yelling. Well i hope they feel good , got to go home and all that http://www.ushmm.org/lcmedia/photo/lc/image/85/85436.jpg Godwins Law on page 4 |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:51:05 PM EDT
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I've watched almost every episode of COPS so I've learned that if you can say "I can't breathe" you can breathe. Also if you have any health problems don't resist and fight with the police. If you didn't have them before, you will. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:51:16 PM EDT
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Sometimes it makes you wonder how cops 25 years ago got the job done with a six shooter and a notepad... I was on the NYPD almost 25 years ago. Had a six-shooter and a notepad. Back then, that guy would have gotten the ever lovin' shit kicked out of him. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:53:17 PM EDT
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When you get a bunch of officers on somebody you get a combination of some trying to hold him still, some trying to move him one direction and some trying to move him another direction.
We had (two of us) a guy up against the side of a car one night with each of us holding an arm behind his back and getting ready to put cuffs on him when another officer jumps in, grabs the guy around the neck and start yanking him away from the car. Two of us pushing him against the car, one officer pulling him away from the car (by the head/neck) and no amount of us shouting that we had him made any difference. Finally I hollered at my partner to let the guy go before the other guy broke his neck. We let go and the other officer dragged/yanked/choked the guy all around the parking lot for a couple minutes before his partner came over and calmed things down. Sort of like high speed chases and shoot outs. The more people involved the more chance for things to go wrong. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:54:14 PM EDT
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For the life of me I can't understand why you would ever resist arrest. No cop has EVER said "Well he doesn't want to be arrested so let's let him go".
Resisting is ALWAYS going to make it worse on YOU. You are going to get hurt and get more charges. If cops want to arrest you, you WILL be arrested. Your only option is to fight it in court or possibly at the police station afterwards while having a calm conversation. With attitudes like your's, it's only a matter of time until we are all subjects.... He didn't resist shit until the cops decided to use bullshit excessive force. What video did you watch? He was clearly resisting before the choke hold. I guess you saw his face being slammed into the sidewalk as well? When I think of resisting I think of punching someone, or pushing someone or kicking someone, not backing away with my palms out towards a person. Resisting means resisting. when I think of assault and negligent homocide I think of stuff like I just witnessed. Well because you think it don't make it so. I think Nazis colonized the moon and are just waiting for a chance to start holocaust 2. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:55:42 PM EDT
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I hope this guys family sues the shit out of the NYPD... Sometimes it makes you wonder how cops 25 years ago got the job done with a six shooter and a notepad - These guys have every tool to there disposal to prevent situations like this. Maybe if they just tried talking to the fucking guy..i guess nobody does that anymore Ugh... they did talk to him, who knows how long, since there was an obvious edit at 34 sec in. Looks to me like they were the calm ones. I only saw one guy yelling. Well i hope they feel good , got to go home and all that http://www.ushmm.org/lcmedia/photo/lc/image/85/85436.jpg Godwins Law on page 4 Well i usually resort to my favorite NWA song but i got in trouble for that last time 
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:55:47 PM EDT
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violent non compliance. assaulting a police officer, kicking and screaming and biting and stomping and you know, resisting. So if you tried to arrest me and every time you grabbed my wrist to try and take control of me I broke free of your grasp and kept moving away from you, I would not be resisting your efforts to arrest me? Easy now don't get him to thinking, we can clearly see what happens when he does. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:56:04 PM EDT
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If you can talk, you can breathe.
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