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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:21:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine what 40,000 cops who are properly trained could do? You should feel my nipples right now. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:23:46 AM EDT
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I don't blame them. No way I would take any risks or do normal police work in a Dept like that. Can't wait to see the crime rates go up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe the active cops will finally figure out the benefits of drive and wave policing. I'm fine with that. Me too, it worked wonders for my career there. I don't blame them. No way I would take any risks or do normal police work in a Dept like that. Can't wait to see the crime rates go up. Already is and the same people are crying about that too. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:26:35 AM EDT
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But seriously, I hated stopping cars, and rarely did. One of the easiest ways to get a complaint. No matter what the outcome (Substantiated, Unsubstantiated, Unfounded), it was going in your file, and it was going to be held against you. Yep, could even cost you a transfer to a good unit even though the complaints were made against "All white plainclothes officers working on that time and date" and you were on vacation those days. 
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:31:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, could even cost you a transfer to a good unit even though the complaints were made against "All white plainclothes officers working on that time and date" and you were on vacation that day. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: But seriously, I hated stopping cars, and rarely did. One of the easiest ways to get a complaint. No matter what the outcome (Substantiated, Unsubstantiated, Unfounded), it was going in your file, and it was going to be held against you. Yep, could even cost you a transfer to a good unit even though the complaints were made against "All white plainclothes officers working on that time and date" and you were on vacation that day. "You'll get your day in court." Tasty. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:50:46 AM EDT
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"You'll get your day in court." Tasty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But seriously, I hated stopping cars, and rarely did. One of the easiest ways to get a complaint. No matter what the outcome (Substantiated, Unsubstantiated, Unfounded), it was going in your file, and it was going to be held against you. Yep, could even cost you a transfer to a good unit even though the complaints were made against "All white plainclothes officers working on that time and date" and you were on vacation that day. "You'll get your day in court." Tasty. Worked out well in the end, if I had gotten that transfer I wouldn't have gotten hurt and wouldn't have a better pension than a retired Captain. 
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Posted: 7/28/2014 10:37:06 PM EDT
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Ruh Roh
Police are investigating whether a cop put a seven-months-pregnant woman in a chokehold while busting her for illegal grilling in Brooklyn — an incident caught on film.
Photos released Monday by an East New York advocacy group show Rosan Miller, 27, struggling with a cop who appears to have his arm around her neck. The NYPD prohibits the use of chokeholds. Officers went to the home over the weekend because Miller was grilling on a public sidewalk in violation of local law, cops said. But a melee broke out that ended with her, her brother and husband all in handcuffs. The brother, John Miller, was charged with harassment and obstruction of justice. Her husband, Moses Miller, 34, was charged with resisting arrest and obstruction. Rosan Miller got a summons for disorderly conduct. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 10:40:58 PM EDT
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Ruh Roh Police are investigating whether a cop put a seven-months-pregnant woman in a chokehold while busting her for illegal grilling in Brooklyn — an incident caught on film.
Photos released Monday by an East New York advocacy group show Rosan Miller, 27, struggling with a cop who appears to have his arm around her neck. The NYPD prohibits the use of chokeholds. Officers went to the home over the weekend because Miller was grilling on a public sidewalk in violation of local law, cops said. But a melee broke out that ended with her, her brother and husband all in handcuffs. The brother, John Miller, was charged with harassment and obstruction of justice. Her husband, Moses Miller, 34, was charged with resisting arrest and obstruction. Rosan Miller got a summons for disorderly conduct. Good. I fucking hate people with grillz. Fucking trash. Glad to see some places outlawing that shit. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 8:09:17 AM EDT
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Good. I fucking hate people with grillz. Fucking trash. Glad to see some places outlawing that shit. 
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Posted: 7/30/2014 7:49:26 AM EDT
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"Three cops at embattled NYPD precinct where Eric Garner died after chokehold disciplined over 'accidental' death"
A police review panel has recommended disciplinary charges against three Staten Island cops — all assigned to the precinct already under fire in Eric Garner’s death — for using excessive force and failing to get medical treatment for a 52-year-old man who died while in custody, the Daily News has learned. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:28:51 AM EDT
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Rev. Al takes mayor and PC to task over death
It was an extraordinary scene at City Hall — Mayor de Blasio sitting between his police commissioner and the Rev. Al Sharpton, facing tough questions about police tactics after the death of a black man arrested by white cops.
And at one point, Sharpton made it personal. “If Dante wasn’t your son, he’d be a candidate for a chokehold. And we’ve got to deal with that reality,” Sharpton told the mayor. “I would disagree in some respects with him on the issue,” Bratton said. “Training is absolutely the essential catalyst for, out of this tragedy, finding opportunity.”
Bratton said that he was drawing up a budget proposal to retrain all 35,000 members of the NYPD, with a focus on the 20,000 cops who routinely work in the streets. The training would take place a few days each year and cost “tens of millions of dollars” annually, he said. I love how Bratton says "retrain".
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:50:12 AM EDT
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Link "Three cops at embattled NYPD precinct where Eric Garner died after chokehold disciplined over 'accidental' death"
A police review panel has recommended disciplinary charges against three Staten Island cops — all assigned to the precinct already under fire in Eric Garner’s death — for using excessive force and failing to get medical treatment for a 52-year-old man who died while in custody, the Daily News has learned. The medical examiner ruled his death was “accidental” due to a heart attack and acute intoxication from the combined effects of alcohol and Valium. I don't see how that is "accidental". Sounds like poor health and bad life choices to me. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 10:54:55 AM EDT
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The medical examiner ruled his death was “accidental” due to a heart attack and acute intoxication from the combined effects of alcohol and Valium. I don't see how that is "accidental". Sounds like poor health and bad life choices to me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Link "Three cops at embattled NYPD precinct where Eric Garner died after chokehold disciplined over 'accidental' death"
A police review panel has recommended disciplinary charges against three Staten Island cops — all assigned to the precinct already under fire in Eric Garner’s death — for using excessive force and failing to get medical treatment for a 52-year-old man who died while in custody, the Daily News has learned. The medical examiner ruled his death was “accidental” due to a heart attack and acute intoxication from the combined effects of alcohol and Valium. I don't see how that is "accidental". Sounds like poor health and bad life choices to me. I don't see how it's accidental, either. It looks pretty obviously caused by the violence with the cops. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 11:36:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't see how it's accidental, either. It looks pretty obviously caused by the violence with the cops. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Link "Three cops at embattled NYPD precinct where Eric Garner died after chokehold disciplined over 'accidental' death" A police review panel has recommended disciplinary charges against three Staten Island cops — all assigned to the precinct already under fire in Eric Garner’s death — for using excessive force and failing to get medical treatment for a 52-year-old man who died while in custody, the Daily News has learned. The medical examiner ruled his death was "accidental” due to a heart attack and acute intoxication from the combined effects of alcohol and Valium. I don't see how that is "accidental". Sounds like poor health and bad life choices to me. I don't see how it's accidental, either. It looks pretty obviously caused by the violence with the cops. No, no, no! Don't you see? They were saving him from a long life of discomfort and anxiety brought on by his weight and Crimethink. It was for his own good, even if we can't see it. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 12:28:20 PM EDT
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The medical examiner ruled his death was “accidental” due to a heart attack and acute intoxication from the combined effects of alcohol and Valium. I don't see how that is "accidental". Sounds like poor health and bad life choices to me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Link "Three cops at embattled NYPD precinct where Eric Garner died after chokehold disciplined over 'accidental' death"
A police review panel has recommended disciplinary charges against three Staten Island cops — all assigned to the precinct already under fire in Eric Garner’s death — for using excessive force and failing to get medical treatment for a 52-year-old man who died while in custody, the Daily News has learned. The medical examiner ruled his death was “accidental” due to a heart attack and acute intoxication from the combined effects of alcohol and Valium. I don't see how that is "accidental". Sounds like poor health and bad life choices to me. +1 |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 12:29:49 PM EDT
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I don't see how it's accidental, either. It looks pretty obviously caused by the violence with the cops. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Link "Three cops at embattled NYPD precinct where Eric Garner died after chokehold disciplined over 'accidental' death"
A police review panel has recommended disciplinary charges against three Staten Island cops — all assigned to the precinct already under fire in Eric Garner’s death — for using excessive force and failing to get medical treatment for a 52-year-old man who died while in custody, the Daily News has learned. The medical examiner ruled his death was “accidental” due to a heart attack and acute intoxication from the combined effects of alcohol and Valium. I don't see how that is "accidental". Sounds like poor health and bad life choices to me. I don't see how it's accidental, either. It looks pretty obviously caused by the violence with the cops. His behavior has nothing to do with it.........you must be proud of the ma baby didn't do nuffin crowd. Arfcom GD = fuck personal responsibility |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 12:47:29 PM EDT
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His behavior has nothing to do with it.........you must be proud of the ma baby didn't do nuffin crowd. Arfcom GD = fuck personal responsibility Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Link "Three cops at embattled NYPD precinct where Eric Garner died after chokehold disciplined over 'accidental' death"
A police review panel has recommended disciplinary charges against three Staten Island cops — all assigned to the precinct already under fire in Eric Garner’s death — for using excessive force and failing to get medical treatment for a 52-year-old man who died while in custody, the Daily News has learned. The medical examiner ruled his death was “accidental” due to a heart attack and acute intoxication from the combined effects of alcohol and Valium. I don't see how that is "accidental". Sounds like poor health and bad life choices to me. I don't see how it's accidental, either. It looks pretty obviously caused by the violence with the cops. His behavior has nothing to do with it.........you must be proud of the ma baby didn't do nuffin crowd. Arfcom GD = fuck personal responsibility What? |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 3:14:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryARDestructo: I don't see how it's accidental, either. It looks pretty obviously caused by the violence with the cops. Quote HistoryARDestructo: I don't see how it's accidental, either. It looks pretty obviously caused by the violence with the cops. crwdplsr: His behavior has nothing to do with it.........you must be proud of the ma baby didn't do nuffin crowd. Arfcom GD = fuck personal responsibility ARDestructo: What? After re-reading your post it appears I have mis-construed it........I am sorry for jumping the gun........my apologies |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 4:07:46 PM EDT
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/01/official-police-chokehold-caused-nyc-mans-death/13475451/
A New York City police officer's illegal chokehold killed Eric Garner last month, and his death has been ruled a homicide, the medical examiner announced Friday. Officer Daniel Pantaleo and another officer had tried to arrest Garner, 43, for selling untaxed cigarettes on a Staten Island street July 17. Video shot by a passer-by showed Pantaleo, an eight-year NYPD veteran, grabbing Garner around the neck as he and his partner wrestled him to the ground. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/02/nyregion/staten-island-man-died-from-officers-chokehold-autopsy-finds.html The death was ruled a homicide; the autopsy indicated that Mr. Garner died from "compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.” Mr. Garner had several health issues: diabetes, sleep apnea and asthma. Some of those ailments, as well as obesity and hypertensive cardiovascular disease, were cited in the autopsy as contributing conditions to his death. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 4:19:22 PM EDT
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/01/official-police-chokehold-caused-nyc-mans-death/13475451/ A New York City police officer's illegal chokehold killed Eric Garner last month, and his death has been ruled a homicide, the medical examiner announced Friday. Officer Daniel Pantaleo and another officer had tried to arrest Garner, 43, for selling untaxed cigarettes on a Staten Island street July 17. Video shot by a passer-by showed Pantaleo, an eight-year NYPD veteran, grabbing Garner around the neck as he and his partner wrestled him to the ground. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/02/nyregion/staten-island-man-died-from-officers-chokehold-autopsy-finds.html The death was ruled a homicide; the autopsy indicated that Mr. Garner died from "compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.” He better hope he gets the usual Staten Island jury or bench trial. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 4:24:45 PM EDT
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/01/official-police-chokehold-caused-nyc-mans-death/13475451/ A New York City police officer's illegal chokehold killed Eric Garner last month, and his death has been ruled a homicide, the medical examiner announced Friday. Officer Daniel Pantaleo and another officer had tried to arrest Garner, 43, for selling untaxed cigarettes on a Staten Island street July 17. Video shot by a passer-by showed Pantaleo, an eight-year NYPD veteran, grabbing Garner around the neck as he and his partner wrestled him to the ground. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/02/nyregion/staten-island-man-died-from-officers-chokehold-autopsy-finds.html The death was ruled a homicide; the autopsy indicated that Mr. Garner died from "compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.” Mr. Garner had several health issues: diabetes, sleep apnea and asthma. Some of those ailments, as well as obesity and hypertensive cardiovascular disease, were cited in the autopsy as contributing conditions to his death. But nearly all the cops in this thread said it wasn't a "choke hold" and they also said none of the cops were compressing his chest. The medical examiner is obviously wrong.
All of the cops in this thread that stated the above should not be wondering why you have ZERO credibility on this board. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 4:32:01 PM EDT
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He better hope he gets the usual Staten Island jury or bench trial. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/01/official-police-chokehold-caused-nyc-mans-death/13475451/ A New York City police officer's illegal chokehold killed Eric Garner last month, and his death has been ruled a homicide, the medical examiner announced Friday. Officer Daniel Pantaleo and another officer had tried to arrest Garner, 43, for selling untaxed cigarettes on a Staten Island street July 17. Video shot by a passer-by showed Pantaleo, an eight-year NYPD veteran, grabbing Garner around the neck as he and his partner wrestled him to the ground. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/02/nyregion/staten-island-man-died-from-officers-chokehold-autopsy-finds.html The death was ruled a homicide; the autopsy indicated that Mr. Garner died from "compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.” He better hope he gets the usual Staten Island jury or bench trial. They'll be convicted of federal civil rights violations regardless IMO. Rot in prison motherfuckers! |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 4:34:03 PM EDT
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They'll be convicted of federal civil rights violations regardless IMO. I predicted that on Page 1.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 4:35:38 PM EDT
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The crow eating will be of epic proportions.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 4:42:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The crow eating will be of epic proportions. Quote HistoryQuoted: The crow eating will be of epic proportions. Maybe served with a nice chianti? http://www.cooks.com/recipe/eu9p3639/crow-casserole.html 1/2 dozen crow breasts 1 qt. sauerkraut 1/2 dozen strips bacon 1/3 c. chopped onion In skillet brown the crow breasts, then place them on a 1 1/2" layer of sauerkraut in bottom of a casserole. Cover each piece of meat with a strip of bacon and sprinkle the onion over them. Cover the breast with another layer of sauerkraut and pour sauerkraut juice over it. Bake two hours in oven heated to 350 degrees. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:03:47 PM EDT
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I predicted that on Page 1.
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They'll be convicted of federal civil rights violations regardless IMO. I predicted that on Page 1.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:10:25 PM EDT
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Yep....Holder and Obama won't miss this opportunity to score some points with their tribe. It's a slam dunk for them given the evidence. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They'll be convicted of federal civil rights violations regardless IMO. I predicted that on Page 1.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:26:01 PM EDT
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Wasn't the same thing said about Zimmerman? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They'll be convicted of federal civil rights violations regardless IMO. I predicted that on Page 1.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:29:02 PM EDT
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But nearly all the cops in this thread said it wasn't a "choke hold" and they also said none of the cops were compressing his chest. The medical examiner is obviously wrong.
All of the cops in this thread that stated the above should not be wondering why you have ZERO credibility on this board. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/01/official-police-chokehold-caused-nyc-mans-death/13475451/ A New York City police officer's illegal chokehold killed Eric Garner last month, and his death has been ruled a homicide, the medical examiner announced Friday. Officer Daniel Pantaleo and another officer had tried to arrest Garner, 43, for selling untaxed cigarettes on a Staten Island street July 17. Video shot by a passer-by showed Pantaleo, an eight-year NYPD veteran, grabbing Garner around the neck as he and his partner wrestled him to the ground. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/02/nyregion/staten-island-man-died-from-officers-chokehold-autopsy-finds.html The death was ruled a homicide; the autopsy indicated that Mr. Garner died from "compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.” Mr. Garner had several health issues: diabetes, sleep apnea and asthma. Some of those ailments, as well as obesity and hypertensive cardiovascular disease, were cited in the autopsy as contributing conditions to his death. But nearly all the cops in this thread said it wasn't a "choke hold" and they also said none of the cops were compressing his chest. The medical examiner is obviously wrong.
All of the cops in this thread that stated the above should not be wondering why you have ZERO credibility on this board. Medical examiner spokeswoman Julie Bolcer said Garner died from "the compression of his chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police." Asthma and heart disease contributed to his death, she said. Pretty vague cause of death. Did he die from a crushed trachea, don't see that mentioned. Did he die from a heart attack? Compression of his chest? I have watched the video and still see no excessive force. I see a big man who didn't want to be cuffed getting taken down and held down until cuffed. The only issues I see is the cops should have had him sit up after the cuffing. Does anyone have a better way to cuff a big guy that don't want to be cuffed other than taking him to the ground and holding him down till cuffed? What's a good side dish for crow? |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:35:26 PM EDT
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Did they ever admit to an official position on why and how they initiated contact with him in the first place?
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Posted: 8/1/2014 6:06:17 PM EDT
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Medical examiner spokeswoman Julie Bolcer said Garner died from "the compression of his chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police." Asthma and heart disease contributed to his death, she said. Pretty vague cause of death. Did he die from a crushed trachea, don't see that mentioned. Did he die from a heart attack? Compression of his chest? I have watched the video and still see no excessive force. I see a big man who didn't want to be cuffed getting taken down and held down until cuffed. The only issues I see is the cops should have had him sit up after the cuffing. Does anyone have a better way to cuff a big guy that don't want to be cuffed other than taking him to the ground and holding him down till cuffed? What's a good side dish for crow? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/01/official-police-chokehold-caused-nyc-mans-death/13475451/ A New York City police officer's illegal chokehold killed Eric Garner last month, and his death has been ruled a homicide, the medical examiner announced Friday. Officer Daniel Pantaleo and another officer had tried to arrest Garner, 43, for selling untaxed cigarettes on a Staten Island street July 17. Video shot by a passer-by showed Pantaleo, an eight-year NYPD veteran, grabbing Garner around the neck as he and his partner wrestled him to the ground. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/02/nyregion/staten-island-man-died-from-officers-chokehold-autopsy-finds.html The death was ruled a homicide; the autopsy indicated that Mr. Garner died from "compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.” Mr. Garner had several health issues: diabetes, sleep apnea and asthma. Some of those ailments, as well as obesity and hypertensive cardiovascular disease, were cited in the autopsy as contributing conditions to his death. But nearly all the cops in this thread said it wasn't a "choke hold" and they also said none of the cops were compressing his chest. The medical examiner is obviously wrong.
All of the cops in this thread that stated the above should not be wondering why you have ZERO credibility on this board. Medical examiner spokeswoman Julie Bolcer said Garner died from "the compression of his chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police." Asthma and heart disease contributed to his death, she said. Pretty vague cause of death. Did he die from a crushed trachea, don't see that mentioned. Did he die from a heart attack? Compression of his chest? I have watched the video and still see no excessive force. I see a big man who didn't want to be cuffed getting taken down and held down until cuffed. The only issues I see is the cops should have had him sit up after the cuffing. Does anyone have a better way to cuff a big guy that don't want to be cuffed other than taking him to the ground and holding him down till cuffed? What's a good side dish for crow? "The New York City medical examiner announced on Friday that a Staten Island man died from a chokehold and the compression of his chest" "An autopsy found that the manner of death for Eric Garner, 43, was homicide, the medical examiner said in a statement. While the report found that Mr. Garner’s poor health was a contributing factor, it was not the primary cause of his death." Seems pretty straight forward to me. IMO in layman's terms, his bad health didn't do him any favors but he was done in by the actions of the officers. I heard crow goes well with a side of you got served  .
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Posted: 8/1/2014 6:24:11 PM EDT
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"The New York City medical examiner announced on Friday that a Staten Island man died from a chokehold and the compression of his chest" "An autopsy found that the manner of death for Eric Garner, 43, was homicide, the medical examiner said in a statement. While the report found that Mr. Garner’s poor health was a contributing factor, it was not the primary cause of his death." Seems pretty straight forward to me. IMO in layman's terms, his bad health didn't do him any favors but he was done in by the actions of the officers. I heard crow goes well with a side of you got served .
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/01/official-police-chokehold-caused-nyc-mans-death/13475451/ A New York City police officer's illegal chokehold killed Eric Garner last month, and his death has been ruled a homicide, the medical examiner announced Friday. Officer Daniel Pantaleo and another officer had tried to arrest Garner, 43, for selling untaxed cigarettes on a Staten Island street July 17. Video shot by a passer-by showed Pantaleo, an eight-year NYPD veteran, grabbing Garner around the neck as he and his partner wrestled him to the ground. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/02/nyregion/staten-island-man-died-from-officers-chokehold-autopsy-finds.html The death was ruled a homicide; the autopsy indicated that Mr. Garner died from "compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.” Mr. Garner had several health issues: diabetes, sleep apnea and asthma. Some of those ailments, as well as obesity and hypertensive cardiovascular disease, were cited in the autopsy as contributing conditions to his death. But nearly all the cops in this thread said it wasn't a "choke hold" and they also said none of the cops were compressing his chest. The medical examiner is obviously wrong.
All of the cops in this thread that stated the above should not be wondering why you have ZERO credibility on this board. Medical examiner spokeswoman Julie Bolcer said Garner died from "the compression of his chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police." Asthma and heart disease contributed to his death, she said. Pretty vague cause of death. Did he die from a crushed trachea, don't see that mentioned. Did he die from a heart attack? Compression of his chest? I have watched the video and still see no excessive force. I see a big man who didn't want to be cuffed getting taken down and held down until cuffed. The only issues I see is the cops should have had him sit up after the cuffing. Does anyone have a better way to cuff a big guy that don't want to be cuffed other than taking him to the ground and holding him down till cuffed? What's a good side dish for crow? "The New York City medical examiner announced on Friday that a Staten Island man died from a chokehold and the compression of his chest" "An autopsy found that the manner of death for Eric Garner, 43, was homicide, the medical examiner said in a statement. While the report found that Mr. Garner’s poor health was a contributing factor, it was not the primary cause of his death." Seems pretty straight forward to me. IMO in layman's terms, his bad health didn't do him any favors but he was done in by the actions of the officers. I heard crow goes well with a side of you got served .
Again the ME qoute is very vague. What was the primary cause of death? Died from a chokehold? Really? well we all saw him alive and talking after the "chokehold" was released. We also saw him alive and talking after the officers had gotten off of him. What is the primary cause of death. Positional aphixia? Heart attack? Crushed trachea? Respiratory arrest? These would be what is listed on the MEs report, not chokehold or compression of chest. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 6:32:44 PM EDT
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Did they ever admit to an official position on why and how they initiated contact with him in the first place? Look up project "Broken Window". |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 6:35:58 PM EDT
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Well looks like I called this one over a week ago as a homocide. Though I called it murder, or negligent homocide at best, which is exactly what it was.
I cited Both the choke hold and chest compression as the probable causes of death as well. You dont have to be a rocket surgion to know that trying to kill a person will lead to the persons death. I mean it is an impossibly simple concept. Maybe it is to much TV that makes police think people can survive this kind of stuff. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 6:59:28 PM EDT
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Quote History Quote HistoryQuoted: Well looks like I called this one over a week ago as a homocide. Though I called it murder, or negligent homocide at best, which is exactly what it was. I cited Both the choke hold and chest compression as the probable causes of death as well. You dont have to be a rocket surgion to know that trying to kill a person will lead to the persons death. I mean it is an impossibly simple concept. Maybe it is to much TV that makes police think people can survive this kind of stuff. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:00:48 PM EDT
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Well looks like I called this one over a week ago as a homocide. Though I called it murder, or negligent homocide at best, which is exactly what it was. I cited Both the choke hold and chest compression as the probable causes of death as well. You dont have to be a rocket surgion to know that trying to kill a person will lead to the persons death. I mean it is an impossibly simple concept. Maybe it is to much TV that makes police think people can survive this kind of stuff. Yeah. If the rules you followed got you here, what good were the rules. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:05:48 PM EDT
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Look up project "Broken Window". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did they ever admit to an official position on why and how they initiated contact with him in the first place? Look up project "Broken Window". Project Broken Window? 
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:08:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Project Broken Window? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Did they ever admit to an official position on why and how they initiated contact with him in the first place? Look up project "Broken Window". Project Broken Window? ...or you could try Broken Windows Theory. Probably get more related hits. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:08:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Project Broken Window? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Did they ever admit to an official position on why and how they initiated contact with him in the first place? Look up project "Broken Window". Project Broken Window? I'd think projects and broken windows go together by definition. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:10:07 PM EDT
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Did they ever admit to an official position on why and how they initiated contact with him in the first place? Look up project "Broken Window". Project Broken Window? I'd think projects and broken windows go together by definition. Thinking like that is why you earn the big bucks.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:26:46 PM EDT
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Whether you agree or disagree with the cops' conduct one thing is for certain -- one or more of them is going to be charged.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:28:26 PM EDT
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Whether you agree or disagree with the cops' conduct one thing is for certain -- one or more of them is going to be charged. I dont think I would send any of them to jail. I dont think any of them should ever wear a gun in an official capacity again. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:32:50 PM EDT
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I dont think I would send any of them to jail, but I dont think any of them should ever wear a gun in an official capacity again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whether you agree or disagree with the cops' conduct one thing is for certain -- one or more of them is going to be charged. I dont think I would send any of them to jail, but I dont think any of them should ever wear a gun in an official capacity again. I'm not saying one way or another. But this story now has legs with the death being ruled a homocide. The locals and Feds will both be looking at this and I wouldn't be surprised if they charged soon. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:33:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thinking like that is why you earn the big bucks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Did they ever admit to an official position on why and how they initiated contact with him in the first place? Look up project "Broken Window". Project Broken Window? I'd think projects and broken windows go together by definition. Thinking like that is why you earn the big bucks. And the occasional account warning. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:10:20 PM EDT
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I dont think I would send any of them to jail. I dont think any of them should ever wear a gun in an official capacity again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whether you agree or disagree with the cops' conduct one thing is for certain -- one or more of them is going to be charged. I dont think I would send any of them to jail. I dont think any of them should ever wear a gun in an official capacity again. I'd send all of them to jail, for as long as possible. Consequences is the only way to stop this type of shit. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:54:43 PM EDT
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How many of you couch commandos have taken a 350 pounder into custody that did not want to be arrested? enlighten me with your superior techniques? Pretty please....
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:00:50 PM EDT
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I'd send all of them to jail, for as long as possible. Consequences is the only way to stop this type of shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whether you agree or disagree with the cops' conduct one thing is for certain -- one or more of them is going to be charged. I dont think I would send any of them to jail. I dont think any of them should ever wear a gun in an official capacity again. I'd send all of them to jail, for as long as possible. Consequences is the only way to stop this type of shit. Politicians and desk drivers give them the authority to do this crazy shit for minor infractions of the law. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:22:12 PM EDT
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Project Broken Window? I'd think projects and broken windows go together by definition. Nah, taxpayers pay for them to get fixed right away. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:23:06 PM EDT
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But this story now has legs with the death being ruled a homocide. The locals and Feds will both be looking at this and I wouldn't be surprised if they charged soon. I knew someone was getting charged the day it hit the news. Anyone who's worked here knew that. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:24:18 PM EDT
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How many of you couch commandos have taken a 350 pounder into custody that did not want to be arrested? Enlighten me with your superior department authorized techniques? Pretty please.... FIFY |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:25:57 PM EDT
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double tap
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