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Have you not read this thread? He's right, look at all the derp. No one can be happy about a new gun store, and hopefully new gun owners. They feel the need to piss all over it and it's sad. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The amount of butthurt coming from the trailer trash fringe is hilarious. Plenty of doctors, lawyers, and other professionals on this board who would be equally happy to tell you to GTFO and troll elsewhere. <-- 0% white, 0% trailer trash, highly educated, 100% American Have you not read this thread? He's right, look at all the derp. No one can be happy about a new gun store, and hopefully new gun owners. They feel the need to piss all over it and it's sad. Exactly. I think it's cool as shit. I could move to fucking Europe and deal with better gun regulation than I can in California. Fucking Sweden, and Switzerland are more American than California. Who cares if their tactical market isn't as big as ours? At least it's available. Also, it's legal to use a gun for self defense there, right? |
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Around a 1000USD, but that's including a 25% VAT. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Hey swede, how much would, say, a Remington Model 700 in .243 cost in dollars? Just curious as to what you guys work with over there. Around a 1000USD, but that's including a 25% VAT. Fuck man. That hurts. |
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Also, it's legal to use a gun for self defense there, right? View Quote In Sweden, the violence used must be "proportional" to the threat faced. There are court cases that have determined that using lethal force is fairly easy to justify inside your home. Firearms have to be locked up in an approved safe, but my safe is next to the bed. Home invasions are rare, but there was one case where a career criminal was attacked by enemies. He fought them with an illegal AK. Afterwards he was given a 4 month sentence for possessing the illegal gun, but he was cleared for having used it. |
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Hey swede, how much would, say, a Remington Model 700 in .243 cost in dollars? Just curious as to what you guys work with over there. Around a 1000USD, but that's including a 25% VAT. Fuck man. That hurts. Yeah, as I said. Money is a greater hindrance to me than the law at the moment. |
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The fermented fish and expensive booze have failed to lure me to Sweden. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The only good thing about your country is the females, other than that... Have you ever actually been here? They've got more food than fermented fish, most of it isn't very good either though. And the key is to buy your booze in Estonia, it's a decent boat ride but you can save a few bucks. |
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They've got more food than fermented fish, most of it isn't very good either though. And the key is to buy your booze in Estonia, it's a decent boat ride but you can save a few bucks. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The only good thing about your country is the females, other than that... Have you ever actually been here? They've got more food than fermented fish, most of it isn't very good either though. And the key is to buy your booze in Estonia, it's a decent boat ride but you can save a few bucks. |
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The only good thing about your country is the females, other than that... Have you ever actually been here? They've got more food than fermented fish, most of it isn't very good either though. And the key is to buy your booze in Estonia, it's a decent boat ride but you can save a few bucks. Well I'm sure there are a few really good Swedish meals I haven't tried. I really like Mämmi, you should be proud of that dish. Oh wait. Sorry. |
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Should call it "Dark Age Weapons"----WTF?!
All the guns in there are based on designs from like 200 years ago. |
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Dude, don't make me talk about Swedes... all right? You don't know anything about us. So....details of your travels in the USA? Houston to visit friends. Come further north, we're more Lutheran. |
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Some day I will. Money is tight at the moment though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Come further north, we're more Lutheran. Some day I will. Money is tight at the moment though. You can visit this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Swedish_Institute |
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Yes, but you have to go through quite a few hoops. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I don't get people from these restrictive countries getting all butt hurt. Sweden has shitty gun laws like most of Europe, just like Canada. I don't waste time yapping that NY ain't that bad and at least I can still carry a pistol and everyone outside of NYC can have unloaded long guns in their car (no idea if you get harassed downstate though) I'm just trying to explain how our gun laws actually work. Can you get full auto in Sweden? Yes, but you have to go through quite a few hoops. Can you tell me a little more about the process? Full auto in the USA is not as easy as TV makes it look. Buying a few machineguns here could easily cost >$100,000 and take several years. |
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Can you tell me a little more about the process? Full auto in the USA is not as easy as TV makes it look. Buying a few machineguns here could easily cost >$100,000 and take several years. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I don't get people from these restrictive countries getting all butt hurt. Sweden has shitty gun laws like most of Europe, just like Canada. I don't waste time yapping that NY ain't that bad and at least I can still carry a pistol and everyone outside of NYC can have unloaded long guns in their car (no idea if you get harassed downstate though) I'm just trying to explain how our gun laws actually work. Can you get full auto in Sweden? Yes, but you have to go through quite a few hoops. Can you tell me a little more about the process? Full auto in the USA is not as easy as TV makes it look. Buying a few machineguns here could easily cost >$100,000 and take several years. Even MACs have gotten stupid expensive. |
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You can visit this. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/American_Swedish_Institute-2007-03-18.jpg/800px-American_Swedish_Institute-2007-03-18.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Swedish_Institute View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Come further north, we're more Lutheran. Some day I will. Money is tight at the moment though. You can visit this. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/American_Swedish_Institute-2007-03-18.jpg/800px-American_Swedish_Institute-2007-03-18.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Swedish_Institute Neat. |
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I don't get people from these restrictive countries getting all butt hurt. Sweden has shitty gun laws like most of Europe, just like Canada. I don't waste time yapping that NY ain't that bad and at least I can still carry a pistol and everyone outside of NYC can have unloaded long guns in their car (no idea if you get harassed downstate though) I'm just trying to explain how our gun laws actually work. Can you get full auto in Sweden? Yes, but you have to go through quite a few hoops. Can you tell me a little more about the process? Full auto in the USA is not as easy as TV makes it look. Buying a few machineguns here could easily cost >$100,000 and take several years. Full auto is possible on two different types of licenses, collector's license or target-shooting license. If you own a firearm on a collector's license your not usually allowed to fire it. You also have to have a theme for your collection, for example you could specialize in British military firearms, pre-war Scandinavian weapons or some other fairly narrow area. This theme has to be approved before you can start. Full-auto firearms on a target-shooting license have to be renewed every 5 years. In order to get a target-shooting license you have to be a member of a shooting club that uses the kind of firearm you want. You have to take part in competitions and such to show that you're active, and you have to be a member for at least 6 months. There are quite a few clubs that shoot SMG competitions, usually using the Swedish K, but due to the increased regulations there aren't many new shooters who take up the sport. |
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Full auto is possible on two different types of licenses, collector's license or target-shooting license. If you own a firearm on a collector's license your not usually allowed to fire it. You also have to have a theme for your collection, for example you could specialize in British military firearms, pre-war Scandinavian weapons or some other fairly narrow area. This theme has to be approved before you can start. Full-auto firearms on a target-shooting license have to be renewed every 5 years. In order to get a target-shooting license you have to be a member of a shooting club that uses the kind of firearm you want. You have to take part in competitions and such to show that you're active, and you have to be a member for at least 6 months. There are quite a few clubs that shoot SMG competitions, usually using the Swedish K, but due to the increased regulations there aren't many new shooters who take up the sport. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Can you tell me a little more about the process? Full auto in the USA is not as easy as TV makes it look. Buying a few machineguns here could easily cost >$100,000 and take several years. Full auto is possible on two different types of licenses, collector's license or target-shooting license. If you own a firearm on a collector's license your not usually allowed to fire it. You also have to have a theme for your collection, for example you could specialize in British military firearms, pre-war Scandinavian weapons or some other fairly narrow area. This theme has to be approved before you can start. Full-auto firearms on a target-shooting license have to be renewed every 5 years. In order to get a target-shooting license you have to be a member of a shooting club that uses the kind of firearm you want. You have to take part in competitions and such to show that you're active, and you have to be a member for at least 6 months. There are quite a few clubs that shoot SMG competitions, usually using the Swedish K, but due to the increased regulations there aren't many new shooters who take up the sport. That's awesome, thanks! That's actually not too bad. I would surely take those laws over California any day! |
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That's awesome, thanks! That's actually not too bad. I would surely take those laws over California any day! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Can you tell me a little more about the process? Full auto in the USA is not as easy as TV makes it look. Buying a few machineguns here could easily cost >$100,000 and take several years. Full auto is possible on two different types of licenses, collector's license or target-shooting license. If you own a firearm on a collector's license your not usually allowed to fire it. You also have to have a theme for your collection, for example you could specialize in British military firearms, pre-war Scandinavian weapons or some other fairly narrow area. This theme has to be approved before you can start. Full-auto firearms on a target-shooting license have to be renewed every 5 years. In order to get a target-shooting license you have to be a member of a shooting club that uses the kind of firearm you want. You have to take part in competitions and such to show that you're active, and you have to be a member for at least 6 months. There are quite a few clubs that shoot SMG competitions, usually using the Swedish K, but due to the increased regulations there aren't many new shooters who take up the sport. That's awesome, thanks! That's actually not too bad. I would surely take those laws over California any day! It's also legal to possess M16 lowers, Glock auto sears etc. provided that you don't install them. |
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In Sweden, the violence used must be "proportional" to the threat faced. There are court cases that have determined that using lethal force is fairly easy to justify inside your home. Firearms have to be locked up in an approved safe, but my safe is next to the bed. Home invasions are rare, but there was one case where a career criminal was attacked by enemies. He fought them with an illegal AK. Afterwards he was given a 4 month sentence for possessing the illegal gun, but he was cleared for having used it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Also, it's legal to use a gun for self defense there, right? In Sweden, the violence used must be "proportional" to the threat faced. There are court cases that have determined that using lethal force is fairly easy to justify inside your home. Firearms have to be locked up in an approved safe, but my safe is next to the bed. Home invasions are rare, but there was one case where a career criminal was attacked by enemies. He fought them with an illegal AK. Afterwards he was given a 4 month sentence for possessing the illegal gun, but he was cleared for having used it. ... So was he allowed to own guns after that? Or is it like the US, where his gun ownership rights are gone for good. Just curious, as an American would've gotten a hell of a lot more time here. |
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To make it easier for my friend across the pond. My house is 1021.933 square meters of living space with a 34.838 square meters attached garage on a 1/4 acre of land. I have no mortgage on my property or house. I paid cash for it. It isn't in a bad area or a crappy structure. View Quote You have an 11,000 square foot house? |
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... So was he allowed to own guns after that? Or is it like the US, where his gun ownership rights are gone for good. Just curious, as an American would've gotten a hell of a lot more time here. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Also, it's legal to use a gun for self defense there, right? In Sweden, the violence used must be "proportional" to the threat faced. There are court cases that have determined that using lethal force is fairly easy to justify inside your home. Firearms have to be locked up in an approved safe, but my safe is next to the bed. Home invasions are rare, but there was one case where a career criminal was attacked by enemies. He fought them with an illegal AK. Afterwards he was given a 4 month sentence for possessing the illegal gun, but he was cleared for having used it. ... So was he allowed to own guns after that? Or is it like the US, where his gun ownership rights are gone for good. Just curious, as an American would've gotten a hell of a lot more time here. For minor crimes, you usually have to wait 3 years before you can own guns again. For serious crimes it's 5 years. |
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For minor crimes, you usually have to wait 3 years before you can own guns again. For serious crimes it's 5 years. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Also, it's legal to use a gun for self defense there, right? In Sweden, the violence used must be "proportional" to the threat faced. There are court cases that have determined that using lethal force is fairly easy to justify inside your home. Firearms have to be locked up in an approved safe, but my safe is next to the bed. Home invasions are rare, but there was one case where a career criminal was attacked by enemies. He fought them with an illegal AK. Afterwards he was given a 4 month sentence for possessing the illegal gun, but he was cleared for having used it. ... So was he allowed to own guns after that? Or is it like the US, where his gun ownership rights are gone for good. Just curious, as an American would've gotten a hell of a lot more time here. For minor crimes, you usually have to wait 3 years before you can own guns again. For serious crimes it's 5 years. Wow. Not that I think we should arm criminals or anything, but I do believe the whole "debt to society has been paid" thing. You guys do it right. |
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Wow. Not that I think we should arm criminals or anything, but I do believe the whole "debt to society has been paid" thing. You guys do it right. View Quote One of my uncles was busted when he tried to smuggle an unregistered gun into the country years ago. He now owns several legal guns. |
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To make it easier for my friend across the pond. My house is 1021.933 square meters of living space with a 34.838 square meters attached garage on a 1/4 acre of land. I have no mortgage on my property or house. I paid cash for it. It isn't in a bad area or a crappy structure. You have an 11,000 square foot house? Yeah, that sort of surprised me as well. That's an enormous house, especially for 1/4 acre lot |
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To make it easier for my friend across the pond. My house is 1021.933 square meters of living space with a 34.838 square meters attached garage on a 1/4 acre of land. I have no mortgage on my property or house. I paid cash for it. It isn't in a bad area or a crappy structure. You have an 11,000 square foot house? Yeah, that sort of surprised me as well. That's an enormous house, especially for 1/4 acre lot Decimal points matter. That's my guess. |
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To make it easier for my friend across the pond. My house is 1021.933 square meters of living space with a 34.838 square meters attached garage on a 1/4 acre of land. I have no mortgage on my property or house. I paid cash for it. It isn't in a bad area or a crappy structure. You have an 11,000 square foot house? Yeah, that sort of surprised me as well. That's an enormous house, especially for 1/4 acre lot Decimal points matter. That's my guess. I figured he might be Floridian royalty, and that was his palace. |
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Euro gun ownership is weird. I know y'all can get some euro guns we don't get and I'm happy for you and I'm a let you finish...
But I can walk into a Wal Mart and walk out with two Colt ARs, ammo, a case of Bud, Hot Tub Time Machine on DVD, and a Nintendo Rehab T shirt in literally no time at all. Castles and old stuff is cool and e'erythang but...yeah. |
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Euro gun ownership is weird. I know y'all can get some euro guns we don't get and I'm happy for you and I'm a let you finish... But I can walk into a Wal Mart and walk out with two Colt ARs, ammo, a case of Bud, Hot Tub Time Machine on DVD, and a Nintendo Rehab T shirt in literally no time at all. Castles and old stuff is cool and e'erythang but...yeah. View Quote Good for you. |
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Havent these Euros reporters ever seen a Cabela's?
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[don't take this the wrong way , but you can still only walk out the store with what your government tells you you can , so freer than most yes , totally free no View Quote My friend, you make an excellent and cogent point. No elected official in this country is ever going to campaign for the public to have more and better guns devoid of regulation. Too much fear of another 1776 or 1861. You, sir, pass for the day. Also I don't think Euros owning guns is weird. Every one should have access to the natural right of armament. I mean your laws, loopholes, and regulations. |
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A 5,0000m2 store makes it sound like something on the scale of Cabela's, so I'm thinking they have a lot of floor space devoted to things that aren't directly firearm's related.
The comments on the RT page are amusing, too. "OM[G], peacefuls Daenmark haz been corrupted by evil culture of Amerikans! Be peacesfuls and put away yours guns! Is for children, da." And some of the comments from "different" commenters use nearly the exact same grammar and wording. Troll-skis. I know nothing of gun laws in Denmark, but I'm guessing that they are centered around hunting and target sports - and that "defense" of self/country is not written into, nor implied by, the laws. I can understand how having a front row seat to two total wars can make them leery of firearms, but it seems like that would also make a strong case for the defense of country aspect. I know western Europe prefers the higher road of law and international accord, compared to our utterly lawless cowboy culture, but it seems like martial arms in the hands of a thoughtful, civilized populace could go a long way in staving off some past events. |
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A 5,0000m2 store makes it sound like something on the scale of Cabela's, so I'm thinking they have a lot of floor space devoted to things that aren't directly firearm's related. The comments on the RT page are amusing, too. "OM[G], peacefuls Daenmark haz been corrupted by evil culture of Amerikans! Be peacesfuls and put away yours guns! Is for children, da." And some of the comments from "different" commenters use nearly the exact same grammar and wording. Troll-skis. I know nothing of gun laws in Denmark, but I'm guessing that they are centered around hunting and target sports - and that "defense" of self/country is not written into, nor implied by, the laws. I can understand how having a front row seat to two total wars can make them leery of firearms, but it seems like that would also make a strong case for the defense of country aspect. I know western Europe prefers the higher road of law and international accord, compared to our utterly lawless cowboy culture, but it seems like martial arms in the hands of a thoughtful, civilized populace could go a long way in staving off some past events. View Quote The Danes have a Home Guard, which acts very much like a militia in case of war. They're provided with firearms by the government, just like in Sweden and Norway. |
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A 5,0000m2 store makes it sound like something on the scale of Cabela's, so I'm thinking they have a lot of floor space devoted to things that aren't directly firearm's related. The comments on the RT page are amusing, too. "OM[G], peacefuls Daenmark haz been corrupted by evil culture of Amerikans! Be peacesfuls and put away yours guns! Is for children, da." And some of the comments from "different" commenters use nearly the exact same grammar and wording. Troll-skis. I know nothing of gun laws in Denmark, but I'm guessing that they are centered around hunting and target sports - and that "defense" of self/country is not written into, nor implied by, the laws. I can understand how having a front row seat to two total wars can make them leery of firearms, but it seems like that would also make a strong case for the defense of country aspect. I know western Europe prefers the higher road of law and international accord, compared to our utterly lawless cowboy culture, but it seems like martial arms in the hands of a thoughtful, civilized populace could go a long way in staving off some past events. The Danes have a Home Guard, which acts very much like a militia in case of war. They're provided with firearms by the government, just like in Sweden and Norway. Exactly. Because of the various differences in history and tradition, the notion of private ownership of guns for the defense of the realm is not one that exists in most European countries. As swede1986 points out, the Home Guard concept is a complement to the standing Army and Reserves, that allows for the defense of country aspect. The differences to the U.S. National Guard are in fact quite interesting, in that Home Guard members have all of their individual equipment at home, including weapons. So every home guard members will have a full automatic assault rifle, along with ammo for it, stored at their home, along with all their other gear. Anything other than heavy weapons is stored at the private residences of the soldiers. The Home Guard is organized primarily into infantry companies, that are tied to the local towns they are drawn from. So when I lived in Birkerød, I was in Company 9113, which was made up entirely of men who lived in, and mostly worked in, Birkerød. That meant that in the event of some kind of invasion, the company can be mobilized EXTREMELY FAST, with most people going from the alert to being ready to fight in about 30 minutes. No weapons have to be issued, no central armory has to be unlocked, no generals have to consulted, etc. As I have pointed out previously on this board. When I was 16, I had a government issued full-auto G-3 and 400 rounds of ammo sitting in the hall closet. When I was 17, I had a MG-42/59, because I was the squad machine-gunner. The basic training that allowed me to be issued these weapons, and be a full-fledged member of the Home Guard, was about 3 weeks. So, on the one hand, the Danish government doesn't "trust" the citizens to let them own firearms (especially automatic ones) for their own defense, but on the other hand, they trust them enough to issue them fully automatic military arms if they ask - for the defense of the country. I assume much of it is rooted in the tradition of monarchy, and the historical notion that the citizenry is more about service to the country/monarch, than individual rights. I'm not saying that's "right" in any way, just an explanation about how attitudes and traditions develop in different ways in different places, because of the hundreds of years of preceding history. The U.S. is such an interesting place, precisely because it is such a "new" and "young" country, and such a neat experiment in starting with a blank slate (to the extent that's possible), and basing the new society on specific philosophical and moral principles, as opposed to being shackled by the past history of the nation. It's part of the reason I like it so much. |
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We usually get together in a small group, and book the range for a day. Officially it's training, but it's also fun. The only requirements are that the range is free, we still have ammo left in our training allotment, and for someone in the group to be a certified firearms instructor, which I happen to be. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The weapons issued to men in the Home Guard - can they be used for personal use at the range, or only for official training? We usually get together in a small group, and book the range for a day. Officially it's training, but it's also fun. The only requirements are that the range is free, we still have ammo left in our training allotment, and for someone in the group to be a certified firearms instructor, which I happen to be. Exactly. You couldn't just take your issued rifle to the range for fun one day. But, you could absolutely get together with a few of your buddies - and ask your platoon commander if it was okay to go to the range to practice - and they'd typically say okay and give you some ammo, and then you could just go. I've ridden on the bus with my MG-42/59 to get to the shooting range. You were definitely not allowed to use the issued "emergency" ammo that you kept at your house for practice. The 400 rounds (or however many it was, I don't recall the details) were supposed to always be kept - so ammo for training at the range would have to be issued in addition. Now, if you just went and bought ammo with your own money, and wanted to go practice at a range - you could probably get away with it. As long as you were in uniform, people would probably assume you were authorized. But, why pay for the ammo yourself? |
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Exactly. You couldn't just take your issued rifle to the range for fun one day. But, you could absolutely get together with a few of your buddies - and ask your platoon commander if it was okay to go to the range to practice - and they'd typically say okay and give you some ammo, and then you could just go. I've ridden on the bus with my MG-42/59 to get to the shooting range. You were definitely not allowed to use the issued "emergency" ammo that you kept at your house for practice. The 400 rounds (or however many it was, I don't recall the details) were supposed to always be kept - so ammo for training at the range would have to be issued in addition. Now, if you just went and bought ammo with your own money, and wanted to go practice at a range - you could probably get away with it. As long as you were in uniform, people would probably assume you were authorized. But, why pay for the ammo yourself? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The weapons issued to men in the Home Guard - can they be used for personal use at the range, or only for official training? We usually get together in a small group, and book the range for a day. Officially it's training, but it's also fun. The only requirements are that the range is free, we still have ammo left in our training allotment, and for someone in the group to be a certified firearms instructor, which I happen to be. Exactly. You couldn't just take your issued rifle to the range for fun one day. But, you could absolutely get together with a few of your buddies - and ask your platoon commander if it was okay to go to the range to practice - and they'd typically say okay and give you some ammo, and then you could just go. I've ridden on the bus with my MG-42/59 to get to the shooting range. You were definitely not allowed to use the issued "emergency" ammo that you kept at your house for practice. The 400 rounds (or however many it was, I don't recall the details) were supposed to always be kept - so ammo for training at the range would have to be issued in addition. Now, if you just went and bought ammo with your own money, and wanted to go practice at a range - you could probably get away with it. As long as you were in uniform, people would probably assume you were authorized. But, why pay for the ammo yourself? The reason for why we've stuck with the G3 for so long is that there's still a mountain of ammo left from our Cold War stocks. Our yearly allotment is quite large. The limiting factor is the availability of a military range, many ranges are only available on a limited basis due to them being close to residential areas. |
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The reason for why we've stuck with the G3 for so long is that there's still a mountain of ammo left from our Cold War stocks. Our yearly allotment is quite large. The limiting factor is the availability of a military range, many ranges are only available on a limited basis due to them being close to residential areas. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The weapons issued to men in the Home Guard - can they be used for personal use at the range, or only for official training? We usually get together in a small group, and book the range for a day. Officially it's training, but it's also fun. The only requirements are that the range is free, we still have ammo left in our training allotment, and for someone in the group to be a certified firearms instructor, which I happen to be. Exactly. You couldn't just take your issued rifle to the range for fun one day. But, you could absolutely get together with a few of your buddies - and ask your platoon commander if it was okay to go to the range to practice - and they'd typically say okay and give you some ammo, and then you could just go. I've ridden on the bus with my MG-42/59 to get to the shooting range. You were definitely not allowed to use the issued "emergency" ammo that you kept at your house for practice. The 400 rounds (or however many it was, I don't recall the details) were supposed to always be kept - so ammo for training at the range would have to be issued in addition. Now, if you just went and bought ammo with your own money, and wanted to go practice at a range - you could probably get away with it. As long as you were in uniform, people would probably assume you were authorized. But, why pay for the ammo yourself? The reason for why we've stuck with the G3 for so long is that there's still a mountain of ammo left from our Cold War stocks. Our yearly allotment is quite large. The limiting factor is the availability of a military range, many ranges are only available on a limited basis due to them being close to residential areas. Imagine how much worse it is in a tiny country like Denmark. |
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