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Posted: 7/12/2014 12:24:54 PM EDT
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Your first post is on Falun Gong?
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Posted: 7/12/2014 1:09:58 PM EDT
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Your solution is simple. Do as the Pilgrims did when faced with religious persecution, vote with your feet and leave.
China allows free immigration to other countries unlike the old USSR... too many Chinese anyway. I suggest your group pool your money and buy an island outside of Hong Kong,then leave and settle and do your own thing. Problem solved, no need to wait for Superman to save your butt. |
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Posted: 7/12/2014 1:24:39 PM EDT
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Your solution is simple. Do as the Pilgrims did when faced with religious persecution, vote with your feet and leave. China allows free immigration to other countries unlike the old USSR... too many Chinese anyway. I suggest your group pool your money and buy an island outside of Hong Kong,then leave and settle and do your own thing. Problem solved, no need to wait for Superman to save your butt. Or they can openly rebel and fight back, the news WILL cover it this time around as information moves much faster. After the brutality is shown people WILL demand the UN do something and then impart the rest of the world will have to act. But that would probably cause WW3 so  .
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Posted: 7/13/2014 1:48:21 AM EDT
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Or they can openly rebel and fight back, the news WILL cover it this time around as information moves much faster. After the brutality is shown people WILL demand the UN do something and then impart the rest of the world will have to act. But that would probably cause WW3 so .
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Your solution is simple. Do as the Pilgrims did when faced with religious persecution, vote with your feet and leave. China allows free immigration to other countries unlike the old USSR... too many Chinese anyway. I suggest your group pool your money and buy an island outside of Hong Kong,then leave and settle and do your own thing. Problem solved, no need to wait for Superman to save your butt. Or they can openly rebel and fight back, the news WILL cover it this time around as information moves much faster. After the brutality is shown people WILL demand the UN do something and then impart the rest of the world will have to act. But that would probably cause WW3 so .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuidang_movement#Withdrawing_from_the_Party The Tuidang movement (????/????; Tuìdang yùndòng) is a Chinese dissident phenomenon that began in late 2004. The movement, whose name translates literally as "withdraw from the [Communist] party," was catalyzed by the publication of the editorial series "Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party" (Jiuping Gongchandang) in the U.S.-based Chinese-language newspaper The Epoch Times (Dajiyuan). The series criticized Communist Party rule in China, with a focus on the party's history of political repression, its propaganda apparatus, and its assaults on traditional culture and value systems. |
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Posted: 7/13/2014 11:20:57 PM EDT
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As part of its struggle against the CCP, The Epoch Times published the Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party in November 2004, and began inviting readers to renounce the party. Hu Ping describes this foray into political commentary a "logical progression" resulting from Falun Gong's inability to end the persecution against them through other means, but points out that the practice itself is apolitical in nature: "Originally Falun Gong aimed the brunt of its criticism at Jiang Zemin, but after Jiang left office and the new Hu Jintao regime refused to rehabilitate Falun Gong and continued to persecute practitioners, Falun Gong broadened its aim to include the entire regime and the Communist Party ... This change, if not exactly natural, must surely be considered reasonable. If some people insist on regarding Falun Gong as political, it can only be in the sense that Vaclav Havel described as "antipolitical politics."
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Posted: 7/14/2014 11:14:18 PM EDT
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However, the existence of the 610 Office has no legal basis. When it issued orders to all organs
under the system of the CCP, there were usua lly no written commands or notifications, only oral communication. Moreover, it stipulated that all those who receive the orders were forbidden from making sound or video recordings or even written notes. |
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Posted: 7/15/2014 9:50:32 PM EDT
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The May Fourth movement in 1919 was a thorough reflection of this despair. Some people
advocated anarchism; others proposed to overthrow the doctrines of Confucius, and still others suggested bringing in foreign culture. In short, they rejected Chinese traditional culture and opposed the Confucian doctrine of the middle way. Eager to take a shortcut, they advocated the destruction of everything traditional. On the one hand, the radical members among them did not have a way to serve the country, and on the other hand, they believed firmly in their own ideals and wills. They felt the world was hopeless, believing only they had found the right approach to China’s future development. They were passionate for revolution and violence. |
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Posted: 7/16/2014 10:51:36 PM EDT
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Your solution is simple. Do as the Pilgrims did when faced with religious persecution, vote with your feet and leave. China allows free immigration to other countries unlike the old USSR... too many Chinese anyway. I suggest your group pool your money and buy an island outside of Hong Kong,then leave and settle and do your own thing. Problem solved, no need to wait for Superman to save your butt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuidang_movement#Withdrawing_from_the_Party As of August 2011, The Epoch Times has posted over 100 million names and aliases of Tuidang participants. Due to the anonymous nature of the statements, these numbers are difficult to verify.[2][14] Nonetheless, says Ethan Gutmann, "the significance is very real. [The Tuidang statements] are promissory gestures of rejection from Chinese citizens of all backgrounds and beliefs. And while the numbers are as shaky as any Internet-based survey, I think we can say with confidence that it is well into the millions." |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 11:06:52 PM EDT
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The experience of the Chinese Communist Party was similar to Russia’s. From the “Mari
Incident” and “April 12th Massacre,”[10] to being suppressed five times in areas controlled by the Chinese Communists, and eventually to being forced to undertake a 25,000-kilometer (15,600 miles) “Long March” — the CCP always faced the crisis of being eliminated. |
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Posted: 7/19/2014 1:35:32 AM EDT
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The destruction of the national culture was also the process of establishing “the Party culture.”
The CCP subverted human conscience and moral judgment, thus driving people to turn their backs on traditional culture. If the national culture is completely destroyed, the essence of the nation will disappear with it, leaving only an empty name for the nation. This is not an exaggerated warning. |
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Posted: 7/19/2014 1:42:57 AM EDT
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Nobody is reading this.
Most of it makes no sense. Move. |
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Posted: 7/19/2014 1:47:33 AM EDT
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This thread is going to deliver
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Posted: 7/19/2014 4:38:18 PM EDT
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Interesting topic with unusual narrative development
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Posted: 7/20/2014 4:49:25 AM EDT
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Looking at the CCP’s history, individuals who retained the mindset of traditional intellectuals
like Chen Duxiu and Qu Qiubai, or who still cared about people’s interests like Hu Yaobang and Zhao Ziyang, or who are determined to be clean officials and bring real service to the people such as Zhu Rongji— no matter how much they contributed to the Party, and no matter how devoid of personal ambitions they were, they were inevitably purged, cast aside, or restricted by the Party’s interests and discipline. |
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Posted: 7/20/2014 5:23:05 AM EDT
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Looking at the CCP’s history, individuals who retained the mindset of traditional intellectuals like Chen Duxiu and Qu Qiubai, or who still cared about people’s interests like Hu Yaobang and Zhao Ziyang, or who are determined to be clean officials and bring real service to the people such as Zhu Rongji— no matter how much they contributed to the Party, and no matter how devoid of personal ambitions they were, they were inevitably purged, cast aside, or restricted by the Party’s interests and discipline. If you are trying to convince us the Chinese government sucks we all agree. Are you worried about being purged, cast aside, or restricted? How is the wifi over there? |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 2:03:47 AM EDT
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If you are trying to convince us the Chinese government sucks we all agree. Are you worried about being purged, cast aside, or restricted? How is the wifi over there? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looking at the CCP’s history, individuals who retained the mindset of traditional intellectuals like Chen Duxiu and Qu Qiubai, or who still cared about people’s interests like Hu Yaobang and Zhao Ziyang, or who are determined to be clean officials and bring real service to the people such as Zhu Rongji— no matter how much they contributed to the Party, and no matter how devoid of personal ambitions they were, they were inevitably purged, cast aside, or restricted by the Party’s interests and discipline. If you are trying to convince us the Chinese government sucks we all agree. Are you worried about being purged, cast aside, or restricted? How is the wifi over there? Wifi is ok, i'm in Vietnam at the moment. You may agree but you may not understand deeply enough, so I have to keep saying. We want Chinese people to quit CCp and its affiliated organizations. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 10:43:50 PM EDT
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When incidents like Aum Shinri Kyo (Supreme Truth) killing people with sarin nerve gas, the
Solar Temple’s ascending to heaven by suicide, or the mass suicide of over 900 followers of Jim Jones’ “People’s Temple” are mentioned, everyone trembles with fear and outrage. The CCP is, however, an evil cult that commits crimes a thousand times worse, harming countless lives. This is because the CCP possesses the following unique features that ordinary cults lack. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:22:10 PM EDT
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The internal fights of communist parties are well known. All members of the Politburo of the
Russian Communist Party in the first two terms, except Lenin, who had died, and Stalin himself, were executed or committed suicide. Three of the five marshals were executed, three of the five Commanders-in-Chief were executed, all 10 of the secondary army Commanders-in-Chief were executed, 57 of the 85 army corps commanders were executed, and 110 of the 195 division commanders were executed. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 5:24:55 AM EDT
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Faith, a mental activity that involves experience and the understanding of life, space-time and the
universe, lies beyond that which can be managed by a political party. “Render therefore unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”[17] However, based on its pitiful and absurd understanding of the unive rse and life, the Communist Party calls everything outside of it own theories “superstitions,” and subjects believers of God to brainwashing and conversion. Those unwilling to change their faith have been insulted or even killed. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 7:02:48 AM EDT
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Ya I still don't understand.
How do you feel about guns? |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 7:25:21 AM EDT
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Ya I still don't understand. How do you feel about guns? This, I want to know what you think about firearms, and the American second amendment. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 9:02:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This, I want to know what you think about firearms, and the American second amendment. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ya I still don't understand. How do you feel about guns? This, I want to know what you think about firearms, and the American second amendment. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 9:13:15 AM EDT
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Spam thread for $1,000. China has an interesting history with "movements". And, it isn't pretty. For example, the Taiping Rebellion led to the death over 20 million Chinese. There was also the Boxer Rebellion.
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Posted: 7/26/2014 1:35:47 AM EDT
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This, I want to know what you think about firearms, and the American second amendment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ya I still don't understand. How do you feel about guns? This, I want to know what you think about firearms, and the American second amendment. Your question is too general.... |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 8:24:48 AM EDT
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Ya I still don't understand. How do you feel about guns? This, I want to know what you think about firearms, and the American second amendment. Your question is too general....  this website is about firearms...
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Posted: 7/26/2014 8:33:28 AM EDT
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As I said on the first page they are annoying SOB's.
The OP proved me right. They just prattle on talking and talking never making a point or shutting the fuck up. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 8:41:35 AM EDT
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Chinese crossfit? 
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Posted: 7/26/2014 8:59:45 AM EDT
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Wifi is ok, i'm in Vietnam at the moment. You may agree but you may not understand deeply enough, so I have to keep saying. We want Chinese people to quit CCp and its affiliated organizations. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looking at the CCP’s history, individuals who retained the mindset of traditional intellectuals like Chen Duxiu and Qu Qiubai, or who still cared about people’s interests like Hu Yaobang and Zhao Ziyang, or who are determined to be clean officials and bring real service to the people such as Zhu Rongji— no matter how much they contributed to the Party, and no matter how devoid of personal ambitions they were, they were inevitably purged, cast aside, or restricted by the Party’s interests and discipline. If you are trying to convince us the Chinese government sucks we all agree. Are you worried about being purged, cast aside, or restricted? How is the wifi over there? Wifi is ok, i'm in Vietnam at the moment. You may agree but you may not understand deeply enough, so I have to keep saying. We want Chinese people to quit CCp and its affiliated organizations. Every time you cut and paste instead of responding with sincere, original thought, my love of the CCP and my annoyance with Falun Gong grow. You're hurting your cause. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 9:08:09 AM EDT
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I was unknowingly indoctrinated by Falun Gong. True story. (Shen Yun. I had no idea what they were all about and went to see their performance.) |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 10:32:05 PM EDT
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Every time you cut and paste instead of responding with sincere, original thought, my love of the CCP and my annoyance with Falun Gong grow. You're hurting your cause. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looking at the CCP’s history, individuals who retained the mindset of traditional intellectuals like Chen Duxiu and Qu Qiubai, or who still cared about people’s interests like Hu Yaobang and Zhao Ziyang, or who are determined to be clean officials and bring real service to the people such as Zhu Rongji— no matter how much they contributed to the Party, and no matter how devoid of personal ambitions they were, they were inevitably purged, cast aside, or restricted by the Party’s interests and discipline. If you are trying to convince us the Chinese government sucks we all agree. Are you worried about being purged, cast aside, or restricted? How is the wifi over there? Wifi is ok, i'm in Vietnam at the moment. You may agree but you may not understand deeply enough, so I have to keep saying. We want Chinese people to quit CCp and its affiliated organizations. Every time you cut and paste instead of responding with sincere, original thought, my love of the CCP and my annoyance with Falun Gong grow. You're hurting your cause. Because i think that my individual, subjective opinion is not important, not persuasive. We should be objective as much as possible, shouldn't we? |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 8:53:54 AM EDT
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Because i think that my individual, subjective opinion is not important, not persuasive. We should be objective as much as possible, shouldn't we? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every time you cut and paste instead of responding with sincere, original thought, my love of the CCP and my annoyance with Falun Gong grow. You're hurting your cause. Because i think that my individual, subjective opinion is not important, not persuasive. We should be objective as much as possible, shouldn't we? Your individual, subjective opinion is what will gain our interest and Vietnam, why Falun Gong? |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 9:23:10 AM EDT
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Your individual, subjective opinion is what will gain our interest and Vietnam, why Falun Gong? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every time you cut and paste instead of responding with sincere, original thought, my love of the CCP and my annoyance with Falun Gong grow. You're hurting your cause. Because i think that my individual, subjective opinion is not important, not persuasive. We should be objective as much as possible, shouldn't we? Your individual, subjective opinion is what will gain our interest and Vietnam, why Falun Gong? I don't think this person can think for himself. After reading the thread, and gettting annoyed, I'm rooting for China on this one. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 12:25:48 AM EDT
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Your individual, subjective opinion is what will gain our interest and Vietnam, why Falun Gong? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every time you cut and paste instead of responding with sincere, original thought, my love of the CCP and my annoyance with Falun Gong grow. You're hurting your cause. Because i think that my individual, subjective opinion is not important, not persuasive. We should be objective as much as possible, shouldn't we? Your individual, subjective opinion is what will gain our interest and Vietnam, why Falun Gong? Because this thread is about Falun Gong? Why not? |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 12:43:08 AM EDT
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Why is a raven like a writing desk?
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Posted: 7/28/2014 12:51:03 AM EDT
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I think maybe you do not have a firm grasp on discussion forum dynamics.
Simply put, you are being counterproductive to whatever it is that you want to happen. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 12:56:22 AM EDT
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Meh, I'm interested :)
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Posted: 7/28/2014 10:47:05 PM EDT
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Meh, I'm interested :) Thank you! |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 11:47:04 PM EDT
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Your individual, subjective opinion is what will gain our interest and Vietnam, why Falun Gong? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every time you cut and paste instead of responding with sincere, original thought, my love of the CCP and my annoyance with Falun Gong grow. You're hurting your cause. Because i think that my individual, subjective opinion is not important, not persuasive. We should be objective as much as possible, shouldn't we? Your individual, subjective opinion is what will gain our interest and Vietnam, why Falun Gong? I somehow managed to mangle my post. Some stuff got deleted (I have an annoying keyboard and I sometimes accidentally highlight stuff and type over it. That should have read someting like: How was life for you in China,what made you go to Vietnam, and why Falun Gong?" |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 11:48:48 PM EDT
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Because this thread is about Falun Gong? Why not? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every time you cut and paste instead of responding with sincere, original thought, my love of the CCP and my annoyance with Falun Gong grow. You're hurting your cause. Because i think that my individual, subjective opinion is not important, not persuasive. We should be objective as much as possible, shouldn't we? Your individual, subjective opinion is what will gain our interest and Vietnam, why Falun Gong? Because this thread is about Falun Gong? Why not? What I meant was why Falun Gong and not another group of anti-communists. What drew you to them? |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 11:57:43 PM EDT
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The thing that makes me leery of Falun Gong is the spam.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 7:01:48 AM EDT
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The thing that makes me leery of Falun Gong is the spam. I don't spam ... |
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Posted: 7/30/2014 7:04:47 AM EDT
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The cutting and pasting is what we are considering spam.
The actual conversation we are having now is what we are looking for friend. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 12:23:56 AM EDT
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I somehow managed to mangle my post. Some stuff got deleted (I have an annoying keyboard and I sometimes accidentally highlight stuff and type over it. That should have read someting like: How was life for you in China,what made you go to Vietnam, and why Falun Gong?" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every time you cut and paste instead of responding with sincere, original thought, my love of the CCP and my annoyance with Falun Gong grow. You're hurting your cause. Because i think that my individual, subjective opinion is not important, not persuasive. We should be objective as much as possible, shouldn't we? Your individual, subjective opinion is what will gain our interest and Vietnam, why Falun Gong? I somehow managed to mangle my post. Some stuff got deleted (I have an annoying keyboard and I sometimes accidentally highlight stuff and type over it. That should have read someting like: How was life for you in China,what made you go to Vietnam, and why Falun Gong?" I'm Vietnamese living in Vietnam. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 12:49:09 AM EDT
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The thing that makes me leery of Falun Gong is the spam. I don't spam ... Well, the propaganda then. I suppose that's really the more accurate word. Not just online. Took my wife to see the Shen Yun dancers. Beautiful show. Lots of Falun Dafa propaganda throughout. Damned thing is from what I can find out, I think I would rather naturally sympathize with them. Sounds like what the Chinese are doing to them is bullshit. As long as you guys aren't chugging cyanide laced koolade and breaking up families to form an army of brainwashed zombies, I don't really care how odd your practices or beliefs might be. Whatever. Getting shot, beat, harassed for that sucks. But man, we're America. Shorten that shit down to something that fits on a bumper sticker. Slap that bumper sticker on some titties. We will believe any damn thing you want us to and we're fucking generous about it, but only if it makes a nice bumper sticker and you stick it on some even nicer titties. It's just the way this shit works. I'm trying to help. 
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Posted: 8/3/2014 3:47:07 AM EDT
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Thank you for your help! And thanks for attending Shen Yun too.
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Posted: 8/3/2014 4:17:35 AM EDT
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I'm trying to balance my hatred of the Chicom ruling party with my hatred of forum spammers. This could go either way. There is no hatred here, hatred is not good. But it keeps us warm! |
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Posted: 8/3/2014 11:19:30 PM EDT
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I had tried many things before Falun Gong, and Falun Gong is definitely the best of all! Falun Gong also has cured some of my illnesses. What I meant was why Falun Gong and not another group of anti-communists. What drew you to them? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every time you cut and paste instead of responding with sincere, original thought, my love of the CCP and my annoyance with Falun Gong grow. You're hurting your cause. Because i think that my individual, subjective opinion is not important, not persuasive. We should be objective as much as possible, shouldn't we? Your individual, subjective opinion is what will gain our interest and Vietnam, why Falun Gong? Because this thread is about Falun Gong? Why not? I had tried many things before Falun Gong, and Falun Gong is definitely the best of all! Falun Gong also has cured some of my illnesses. What I meant was why Falun Gong and not another group of anti-communists. What drew you to them? |
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Posted: 8/3/2014 11:37:47 PM EDT
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So how do you feel about firearms?
Does Falun Gong have any official stance on that sort of thing? |
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Posted: 8/4/2014 10:44:57 AM EDT
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So how do you feel about firearms? Does Falun Gong have any official stance on that sort of thing? In my opinion, since I value peace and tolerance, under normal conditions and circumstances, I will stay away from firearm or weapons in general as much as possible. Similar to this story of Confucius: "A seeker of wisdom asked Confucius what his politics were. Confucius replied, “It is to provide food, protect people with armaments, and gain trust from people.” The seeker asked further, “Which should we abandon first if our country is forced to abandon food, weapons, or trust? Confucius replied, “Abandon weapons first, then food. But never abandon trust. People cannot get on without trust. Trust is more important than life.” |
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Posted: 8/5/2014 4:21:15 AM EDT
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I'm trying to balance my hatred of the Chicom ruling party with my hatred of forum spammers. This could go either way. There is no hatred here, hatred is not good. But it keeps us warm! What does "warm" mean? |
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