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Posted: 6/10/2014 6:56:01 PM EDT
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Shit pisses me off 2 1/2 years for my brother and 2 years for me risking everthing, for what to pull out and let Iraq get taken over by our #1 enemy.
I will say I miss Iraq? life is boring and if I get a chance to get back I would go... crazy ha 
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Posted: 6/10/2014 6:59:05 PM EDT
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ConflictReporter ?@MiddleEast_BRK 16m #BREAKINGNEWS THE IRAQI ARMY WITHDRAWS FROM #BAIJI WITHOUT A FIGHT!!! LOCAL TRIBES TRY TO ORGANIZE DEFENSE VS. EXPECTED ISIS ATTACK TONIGHT. Fuck that place. The locals there are all on the muj side. If ISIS takes the oil refinery, shit will get interesting. I am not surprised at all that the Iraqi army is falling apart. |
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Posted: 6/10/2014 7:01:04 PM EDT
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It was predicted to fall apart before Obama got out of office. Many here thought it would hold together until 2016.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 7:04:33 PM EDT
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"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Clearly Iraq has a shortage of good men willing to do something. The kurds can and should seize mosul and declare independence. The saudis and iranians can fight over what's left. Fuck em. |
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Posted: 6/10/2014 7:06:25 PM EDT
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fucking awesome... this shit just pisses me the fuck off. Mosul was our AO for one of my deployments. We lost 11 people getting that place under control for fucking nothing I guess.  When? I flew Kiowas in that city for a year. We took a few hits ourselves. |
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Posted: 6/10/2014 7:28:58 PM EDT
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I saw a vicious vid of ISIS killing what appear to be Iraq soldiers posted last week
I read they took Fallujah just wondering how no one saw the attack coming? no one was prepared? where did these guys come from??? |
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Posted: 6/10/2014 7:38:21 PM EDT
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You understand that if ISIS takes this and holds it, you provide AQ with a new base to set up operations that will eventually end up striking us or Europe, right? You think these guys are looking for retirement property? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We occupy..PERMANENTLY, and start the process of transforming their culture. It takes decades but it eventually works and we don't end up going back to the same shit holes again and again. Or..or...now hear me out on this....we not spend a few trillion dollars we don't have and don't go to the shit holes to begin with. You understand that if ISIS takes this and holds it, you provide AQ with a new base to set up operations that will eventually end up striking us or Europe, right? You think these guys are looking for retirement property? Which is why I said we don't go to begin with. It saves trillions and thousands of American lives. And I have to believe that if ISIS tries to take Mosul from Saddam we get hilarious videos of Uday hooking up jumper cables to their genitals. Regardless of what our all-knowing CIA liked to claim he wasn't that fond of Islamists running around in his homeland. For some reason he felt they threatened his power. |
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Posted: 6/10/2014 8:06:44 PM EDT
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Clearly Iraq has a shortage of good men willing to do something. The kurds can and should seize mosul and declare independence. The saudis and iranians can fight over what's left. Fuck em. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Clearly Iraq has a shortage of good men willing to do something. The kurds can and should seize mosul and declare independence. The saudis and iranians can fight over what's left. Fuck em. Maybe the partition will happen after all, the hard way.  
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Posted: 6/10/2014 9:21:07 PM EDT
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Another nation building failure. Once you count running cost, and long-term entitlement costs this little pointless venture cost us a trillion or so dollars we don't have, and accomplished nothing. The outcome was predictable. |
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Posted: 6/10/2014 9:27:20 PM EDT
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Is there anybody who still thinks the War in Iraq was necessary?
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Posted: 6/10/2014 9:54:43 PM EDT
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Is there anybody who still thinks the War in Iraq was necessary? It was always about the message and that is there are repercussions. Assad is the same. |
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Posted: 6/10/2014 10:39:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was always about the message and that is there are repercussions. Assad is the same. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is there anybody who still thinks the War in Iraq was necessary? It was always about the message and that is there are repercussions. Assad is the same. Bullshit
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Posted: 6/10/2014 10:51:58 PM EDT
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Is there anybody who still thinks the War in Iraq was necessary? If we would have continued rolling in '91 and occupied it through today, the result could be better than what we are seeing, and the situation in the middle east would be different (not saying better, but different). If nothing else, the fight would be on their soil and likely 9-11-01 wouldn't be a significant date. However, America had Vietnam too fresh in their minds for something like that. |
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Posted: 6/10/2014 11:56:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If we would have continued rolling in '91 and occupied it through today, the result could be better than what we are seeing, and the situation in the middle east would be different (not saying better, but different). If nothing else, the fight would be on their soil and likely 9-11-01 wouldn't be a significant date. However, America had Vietnam too fresh in their minds for something like that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is there anybody who still thinks the War in Iraq was necessary? If we would have continued rolling in '91 and occupied it through today, the result could be better than what we are seeing, and the situation in the middle east would be different (not saying better, but different). If nothing else, the fight would be on their soil and likely 9-11-01 wouldn't be a significant date. However, America had Vietnam too fresh in their minds for something like that. lol Your solution is a 23 year military occupation of a foreign country? Now that's brilliant. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 12:10:39 AM EDT
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Is there anybody who still thinks the War in Iraq was necessary? I'm quite happy we blew their military to hell and hung their fat stinking dictator. I just wonder if all the care spent in trying to get them to stop killing each other afterward wasn't somewhat misplaced. Certainly so if the end result was for a petulant manchild president to give the fuck up entirely and let it fall into chaos anyway. Oh well. Live and learn I guess, or not, whatever. 
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Posted: 6/11/2014 12:17:05 AM EDT
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Unleash the Kurds.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 12:29:48 AM EDT
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Here's an idea! Let them sort out their own problems without our intervention! I may not like Obama, but if China and Russia teamed up and occupied the United States to "help", I'm sure we'd become a little radical. If they killed thousands of Americans and called it collateral damage I bet we'd get even more radical. I doubt we'd trust, or like, the government they formed.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 12:33:14 AM EDT
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Are the Kurds militarily capable of taking these cities? What does their military forces even look like?
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Posted: 6/11/2014 12:35:42 AM EDT
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Guess we know how all the Vietnam vets felt when they saw Saigon fall in 1975
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Posted: 6/11/2014 12:41:50 AM EDT
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Lost a great friend trying to save that place...RIP CPL. HEIGHTER
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Posted: 6/11/2014 12:50:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess we know how all the Vietnam vets felt when they saw Saigon fall in 1975 We should have learned our lesson there.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 12:55:28 AM EDT
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Did anyone really expect a different outcome? 
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Posted: 6/11/2014 12:59:16 AM EDT
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It was predicted to fall apart before Obama got out of office. Many here thought it would hold together until 2016. What a fucking waste. 
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:02:39 AM EDT
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Are the Kurds militarily capable of taking these cities? What does their military forces even look like? The Kurds have no desire to take and keep anything that is majority Sunni Arab but they will defend the large Kurdish population in/near Mosul. Their forces tend to make up what they lack in equipment with competence but the Salafists got an incredible haul of hardware already and will no doubt swell their ranks through bandwagon jumpers,conscription through intimidation and otherwise unhappy Sunnis. Mosul is a big city,to give a sense of possible difficulty it's roughly 5 times larger than Fallujah. I think at some point soon the US will have to start flying strike missions against ISIS to have ANY hope of defeating them. The Iraqis don't have the numerical/technical/professional ability.If it doesn't,Iraq is getting split in 3: the caliphate,Kurdistan and West Persia.I expect Obama to dither until black banners converge on the Green Zone to be blunt though. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:03:13 AM EDT
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Fuck that place. The locals there are all on the muj side. If ISIS takes the oil refinery, shit will get interesting. I am not surprised at all that the Iraqi army is falling apart. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ConflictReporter ?@MiddleEast_BRK 16m #BREAKINGNEWS THE IRAQI ARMY WITHDRAWS FROM #BAIJI WITHOUT A FIGHT!!! LOCAL TRIBES TRY TO ORGANIZE DEFENSE VS. EXPECTED ISIS ATTACK TONIGHT. Fuck that place. The locals there are all on the muj side. If ISIS takes the oil refinery, shit will get interesting. I am not surprised at all that the Iraqi army is falling apart. I always wanted to know what that place would look like if there was an explosion at the hydrocracker. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:04:41 AM EDT
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Lost a great friend trying to save that place...RIP CPL. HEIGHTER Not sure how I feel about this Let me help you. He died for nothing. Fail on a global geostrategic scale. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:04:56 AM EDT
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Is there anybody who still thinks the War in Iraq was necessary? It was always about the message and that is there are repercussions. Assad is the same. Bullshit Bullshit not. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:16:30 AM EDT
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lol Your solution is a 23 year military occupation of a foreign country? Now that's brilliant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there anybody who still thinks the War in Iraq was necessary? If we would have continued rolling in '91 and occupied it through today, the result could be better than what we are seeing, and the situation in the middle east would be different (not saying better, but different). If nothing else, the fight would be on their soil and likely 9-11-01 wouldn't be a significant date. However, America had Vietnam too fresh in their minds for something like that. lol Your solution is a 23 year military occupation of a foreign country? Now that's brilliant. I thought we were throwing around absurd ideas that might have made it something other than a tragic waste. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:16:38 AM EDT
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Let me help you. He died for nothing. Fail on a global geostrategic scale. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lost a great friend trying to save that place...RIP CPL. HEIGHTER Not sure how I feel about this Let me help you. He died for nothing. Fail on a global geostrategic scale. I'm kinda bummed that I couldn't figure out how to absolutely roast you for that first comment without getting a time out. I must be slipping. But let me break it down for you Crayola style, as I would for a kindergartener. He didn't die for nothing. Soldiers typically don't do that. If he died in a shitty place, far from home, he did it for a reason. Soldiers aren't political animals. He likely didn't give a shit about the politics of the situation, but perhaps he died because if he didn't, his brother would have. I was deployed to Mosul from 05-06. I lost several friends there, and I wouldn't dare tell any one of them that they died for nothing. You can go shit in your hat, though. I'm pretty sure that won't get me banned. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:17:42 AM EDT
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Let me help you. He died for nothing. Fail on a global geostrategic scale. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lost a great friend trying to save that place...RIP CPL. HEIGHTER Not sure how I feel about this Let me help you. He died for nothing. Fail on a global geostrategic scale. Soldiers usually die protecting their mates that's a bit harsh. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:21:28 AM EDT
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http://en.itar-tass.com/world/735564 Militants from the Sunni group Islamic State of Iraq and Levant linked to al-Qaeda took control of Mosul in northern Iraq, Al Arabiya TV channel reported. Iraqi police and army forces abandoned their posts in the city of Mosul, which shocked the locals, the governor said.
Who's ready to go back? I think sending in B52's and Carpet Bombing the City with Napalm and White Phosphorus would be more efficient than sending in Ground Troops |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:22:58 AM EDT
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The way it's looking in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Sudan, Yemen, Nigeria, Afganistan (when we leave) (and who did I miss?) its beginning to look like them having a "sanctuary" is inevitable. Those bastards are spreading their hate quite well. Eventually it's going to come to Europe and the good ole USofA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We occupy..PERMANENTLY, and start the process of transforming their culture. It takes decades but it eventually works and we don't end up going back to the same shit holes again and again. Or..or...now hear me out on this....we not spend a few trillion dollars we don't have and don't go to the shit holes to begin with. You understand that if ISIS takes this and holds it, you provide AQ with a new base to set up operations that will eventually end up striking us or Europe, right? You think these guys are looking for retirement property? The way it's looking in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Sudan, Yemen, Nigeria, Afganistan (when we leave) (and who did I miss?) its beginning to look like them having a "sanctuary" is inevitable. Those bastards are spreading their hate quite well. Eventually it's going to come to Europe and the good ole USofA. It is just Islam being Islam. Containment and quarantine is the answer. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:26:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought we were throwing around absurd ideas that might have made it something other than a tragic waste. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is there anybody who still thinks the War in Iraq was necessary? If we would have continued rolling in '91 and occupied it through today, the result could be better than what we are seeing, and the situation in the middle east would be different (not saying better, but different). If nothing else, the fight would be on their soil and likely 9-11-01 wouldn't be a significant date. However, America had Vietnam too fresh in their minds for something like that. lol Your solution is a 23 year military occupation of a foreign country? Now that's brilliant. I thought we were throwing around absurd ideas that might have made it something other than a tragic waste. A quarter century military occupation would have made it an even bigger tragic waste.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:38:45 AM EDT
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Can we have the Cold War back? Where have you been? It's back. Yet another foreign policy coup of this administration. Bush left office with Russia contained, AQ on the run. Obama has brought us the first invasion of a European country since Helsinki, and the formation of a new Terrorist state that with resources and infrastructure that the Taliban's Afghanistan could never dream of. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:40:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where have you been? It's back. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can we have the Cold War back? Where have you been? It's back. In spades.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:45:04 AM EDT
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Oops, a thousand pardons for the double tap.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:49:51 AM EDT
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The Islamic portion of the world is the way it is because a significant portion of its population want it to be like it is.
We see it and judge it to be a bad place to live, but it is like they, who live there, want it to be and cause it to be. Significant portion is the key, not all want to live in a shit hole, but enough do desire that life to cause that part of the world to be shit-holy. Perhaps we should not be so judgmental about their chosen lifestyle. On the other hand, perhaps all this bad stuff is not really happening, Obama did get a Nobel Peace Prize for preventing it from happening. He hasn't given the prize and money back, has he? There, see, surely Iraq must be all milk and honey and unicorns pissing rainbows. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:52:23 AM EDT
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fucking awesome... this shit just pisses me the fuck off. Mosul was our AO for one of my deployments. We lost 11 people getting that place under control for fucking nothing I guess. The war was basically over - and lost - when the Dems took congress in 2006. That's all our enemies really needed to accomplish, and the domestic left was more than willing to play along with it. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:53:41 AM EDT
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Does Saddam Hussein have any relatives that are still alive that we can put in power over there .i have a gut feeling will be heading back there. I bet that many of the former Republican Guard and Murkanbarat members are in ISIS's ranks now, especially the Sunni ones. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 2:06:26 AM EDT
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The Gulf Arabs WILL NOT allow the Iranian armed forces to enter Iraq. The Gulf Arabs also don't want ISIS to get too big either. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 2:22:02 AM EDT
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I never said we went all Ghengis Kahn on our former enemies, I said we occupied them and forced them to comply. It worked, it would work in the middle east as well. We occupy..PERMANENTLY, and start the process of transforming their culture. It takes decades but it eventually works and we don't end up going back to the same shit holes again and again. I would, however, be in favor of a more hostile approach than we have used in the past. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did we not occupy Germany, Italy, and Japan after WWII? And did we not maintain control of those countries and ensure that they did not fall back into chaos? Yes. But not in the manner you seem to suggest. I'd be the first to agree we should have formally occupied Iraq. That was an asinine political decision not to. But your characterization of past US occupations is laughable. I never said we went all Ghengis Kahn on our former enemies, I said we occupied them and forced them to comply. It worked, it would work in the middle east as well. We occupy..PERMANENTLY, and start the process of transforming their culture. It takes decades but it eventually works and we don't end up going back to the same shit holes again and again. I would, however, be in favor of a more hostile approach than we have used in the past. What you said: We need to get back in the business of CONQUERING people and taking their shit. This nation building bullshit is a waste of time, lives, and resources. Sounds more like Soviet Propaganda than history. All of our historical occupations have been massive nation building endeavors, we never took or stole anything, and - with the exception arguably of the American South - we quickly passed the keys on to local authorities who were happy to keep working with us on their terms while supporting our overall values. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 2:38:57 AM EDT
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Where have you been? It's back. Yet another foreign policy coup of this administration. Bush left office with Russia contained, AQ on the run. Obama has brought us the first invasion of a European country since Helsinki, and the formation of a new Terrorist state that with resources and infrastructure that the Taliban's Afghanistan could never dream of. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can we have the Cold War back? Where have you been? It's back. Yet another foreign policy coup of this administration. Bush left office with Russia contained, AQ on the run. Obama has brought us the first invasion of a European country since Helsinki, and the formation of a new Terrorist state that with resources and infrastructure that the Taliban's Afghanistan could never dream of. Let's just ignore that whole thing about the Russians expelling ethnic Georgians from South Osettia. 
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Posted: 6/11/2014 2:43:16 AM EDT
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Let's just ignore that whole thing about the Russians expelling ethnic Georgians from South Osettia. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can we have the Cold War back? Where have you been? It's back. Yet another foreign policy coup of this administration. Bush left office with Russia contained, AQ on the run. Obama has brought us the first invasion of a European country since Helsinki, and the formation of a new Terrorist state that with resources and infrastructure that the Taliban's Afghanistan could never dream of. Let's just ignore that whole thing about the Russians expelling ethnic Georgians from South Osettia. Who ignored it? Obama came on board, accused Bush of being a big meanie to the Russians and the cause of all disagreement, and declared a "reset" in relations - effectively anouncing the US had forgetten about the invasion. Or, are you just arguing Georgia is in Europe? If the latter, I'd still say that even in 2008 the Russians weren't bold enough to engineer a full annexation - they limited themselves to charades about independent states. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 2:46:34 AM EDT
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Who ignored it? Obama came on board, accused Bush of being a big meanie to the Russians and the cause of all disagreement, and declared a "reset" in relations - effectively anouncing the US had forgetten about the invasion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can we have the Cold War back? Where have you been? It's back. Yet another foreign policy coup of this administration. Bush left office with Russia contained, AQ on the run. Obama has brought us the first invasion of a European country since Helsinki, and the formation of a new Terrorist state that with resources and infrastructure that the Taliban's Afghanistan could never dream of. Let's just ignore that whole thing about the Russians expelling ethnic Georgians from South Osettia. Who ignored it? Obama came on board, accused Bush of being a big meanie to the Russians and the cause of all disagreement, and declared a "reset" in relations - effectively anouncing the US had forgetten about the invasion. 
Still Bush's Fault.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 2:47:15 AM EDT
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Who ignored it? Obama came on board, accused Bush of being a big meanie to the Russians and the cause of all disagreement, and declared a "reset" in relations - effectively anouncing the US had forgetten about the invasion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can we have the Cold War back? Where have you been? It's back. Yet another foreign policy coup of this administration. Bush left office with Russia contained, AQ on the run. Obama has brought us the first invasion of a European country since Helsinki, and the formation of a new Terrorist state that with resources and infrastructure that the Taliban's Afghanistan could never dream of. Let's just ignore that whole thing about the Russians expelling ethnic Georgians from South Osettia. Who ignored it? Obama came on board, accused Bush of being a big meanie to the Russians and the cause of all disagreement, and declared a "reset" in relations - effectively anouncing the US had forgetten about the invasion. Russia invaded in August of 2008. Bush was still president for 5 months after the invasion. He didn't do anything to get involved militarily (which was the correct decision on his part) |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 2:47:23 AM EDT
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Maybe the partition will happen after all, the hard way. Partition is the last thing the Kurds want. They want the fiction of Iraqi sovereignty to protect themselves from without, and the fiction of Iraqi governance to run things themselves. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 2:50:06 AM EDT
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Guess we know how all the Vietnam vets felt when they saw Saigon fall in 1975 We should have learned our lesson there. What lesson is that? It was our actions that directly caused both issues? It was our shortsighted foreign policy that drove both disasters? That the foreign policy was Democratic? Shit, that the same "Smart Guy" had all of the good ideas? 
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Posted: 6/11/2014 2:51:05 AM EDT
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Lost a great friend trying to save that place...RIP CPL. HEIGHTER Not sure how I feel about this Let me help you. He died for nothing. Fail on a global geostrategic scale. Another brilliant post. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 2:54:13 AM EDT
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Russia invaded in August of 2008. Bush was still president for 5 months. He didn't do anything about it (which was the correct decision on his part) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can we have the Cold War back? Where have you been? It's back. Yet another foreign policy coup of this administration. Bush left office with Russia contained, AQ on the run. Obama has brought us the first invasion of a European country since Helsinki, and the formation of a new Terrorist state that with resources and infrastructure that the Taliban's Afghanistan could never dream of. Let's just ignore that whole thing about the Russians expelling ethnic Georgians from South Osettia. Who ignored it? Obama came on board, accused Bush of being a big meanie to the Russians and the cause of all disagreement, and declared a "reset" in relations - effectively anouncing the US had forgetten about the invasion. Russia invaded in August of 2008. Bush was still president for 5 months. He didn't do anything about it (which was the correct decision on his part) I really and honestly have no idea what point you are trying to make. But, your characterization is sop patenlty false as to be painful to read. The whole "reset" thing betrays the reality - Georgia led to a major shift in Policy toward Russia, and Russia was feeling it. Do you think it's just coincidence that the NATO-Russia council, suspended after that invasion, was re-launched af the first NATO Ministerial after Obama's adminstration came on board? |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 2:56:12 AM EDT
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What lesson is that? It was our actions that directly caused both issues? It was our shortsighted foreign policy that drove both disasters? That the foreign policy was Democratic? Shit, that the same "Smart Guy" had all of the good ideas? http://angrywhitedude.com/wp-content/uploads2/2012/12/John-Kerry-Vietnam-War.jpeg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Guess we know how all the Vietnam vets felt when they saw Saigon fall in 1975 We should have learned our lesson there. What lesson is that? It was our actions that directly caused both issues? It was our shortsighted foreign policy that drove both disasters? That the foreign policy was Democratic? Shit, that the same "Smart Guy" had all of the good ideas? http://angrywhitedude.com/wp-content/uploads2/2012/12/John-Kerry-Vietnam-War.jpeg 
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