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Posted: 10/9/2014 8:02:35 PM EDT
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After many hours of internal debate for years over whether to spend thousands on an mg, I think it's safe to say, I'm looking for a donation link.
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Posted: 10/9/2014 8:17:03 PM EDT
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Nolo, the big three or four crowd funding sites specifically preclude fundraising for firearms related ventures. Maybe there are some smaller ones out there that are 2A friendly, though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If anyone has ideas on crowd funding sites or how to get donations set up (still not asking yet), please PM me. I am looking at various websites to crowd fund this bad boy and fundraising it not my forte. Nolo, the big three or four crowd funding sites specifically preclude fundraising for firearms related ventures. Maybe there are some smaller ones out there that are 2A friendly, though. Which one were the aim point cover on? |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 8:24:01 PM EDT
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After many hours of internal debate for years over whether to spend thousands on an mg, I think it's safe to say, I'm looking for a donation link. i have asked Striker to approve. the donation page is set up and I am waiting for approval. |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 8:24:54 PM EDT
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i have asked Striker to approve. the donation page is set up and I am waiting for approval. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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After many hours of internal debate for years over whether to spend thousands on an mg, I think it's safe to say, I'm looking for a donation link. i have asked Striker to approve. the donation page is set up and I am waiting for approval. 
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Posted: 10/9/2014 8:28:43 PM EDT
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After many hours of internal debate for years over whether to spend thousands on an mg, I think it's safe to say, I'm looking for a donation link. i have asked Striker to approve. the donation page is set up and I am waiting for approval.
Have the cases been filed? Not yet..... though there are things happening behind the scenes i can't post about yet. |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 8:41:00 PM EDT
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Have ya'll been in any negotiations with ATF legal council? Looking bad or promising from there perspective?
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After many hours of internal debate for years over whether to spend thousands on an mg, I think it's safe to say, I'm looking for a donation link. i have asked Striker to approve. the donation page is set up and I am waiting for approval.
Have the cases been filed? Not yet..... though there are things happening behind the scenes i can't post about yet. |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 8:45:03 PM EDT
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None of those things are concerns at all with Bitcoin, if set up properly. I've already volunteered to do that. Why on Earth would you refuse donations? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can we please avoid Bit Coins. Let's keep the donations and standards of money involved in line with existing US laws while also avoiding the concerns of bit coin hacks/lost coinage and value fluctuations. Thanks Wes None of those things are concerns at all with Bitcoin, if set up properly. I've already volunteered to do that. Why on Earth would you refuse donations? What do you gain with bitcoins? A donation to legal proceedings would simply be a donation stating that you were supporting the legal inquiry into the depths of protections of constitutionally protected rights. With the US government already doing it's best to try to figure out how to contain and prevent the use of bitcoins and their use related to the purchase of contraband items, there's no reason to add another issue to be dealt with that can distract from success of this case. Think of the media sound bites..."People who think fully automatic machine guns should be available for everyone are using "bitcoins", a false currency used by many involved in illegal trades of guns drugs and stolen items, to finance their attorney." Why bother with that nonsense when simply sending a check or kicking a paypal donation in or whatever means via credit card online will provide ample opportunity to contribute to the cases. Wes |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 8:47:32 PM EDT
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What do you gain with bitcoins? A donation to legal proceedings would simply be a donation stating that you were supporting the legal inquiry into the depths of protections of constitutionally protected rights. With the US government already doing it's best to try to figure out how to contain and prevent the use of bitcoins and their use related to the purchase of contraband items, there's no reason to add another issue to be dealt with that can distract from success of this case. Think of the media sound bites..."People who think fully automatic machine guns should be available for everyone are using "bitcoins", a false currency used by many involved in illegal trades of guns drugs and stolen items, to finance their attorney." Why bother with that nonsense when simply sending a check or kicking a paypal donation in or whatever means via credit card online will provide ample opportunity to contribute to the cases. Wes Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can we please avoid Bit Coins. Let's keep the donations and standards of money involved in line with existing US laws while also avoiding the concerns of bit coin hacks/lost coinage and value fluctuations. Thanks Wes None of those things are concerns at all with Bitcoin, if set up properly. I've already volunteered to do that. Why on Earth would you refuse donations? What do you gain with bitcoins? A donation to legal proceedings would simply be a donation stating that you were supporting the legal inquiry into the depths of protections of constitutionally protected rights. With the US government already doing it's best to try to figure out how to contain and prevent the use of bitcoins and their use related to the purchase of contraband items, there's no reason to add another issue to be dealt with that can distract from success of this case. Think of the media sound bites..."People who think fully automatic machine guns should be available for everyone are using "bitcoins", a false currency used by many involved in illegal trades of guns drugs and stolen items, to finance their attorney." Why bother with that nonsense when simply sending a check or kicking a paypal donation in or whatever means via credit card online will provide ample opportunity to contribute to the cases. Wes You obviously have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to bitcoin. |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 9:03:33 PM EDT
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You obviously have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to bitcoin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to bitcoin. I know quite a bit about the currency system. The problem is that the media can have a field day with it. Check out these headlines: One in twenty have bought illegal drugs with Bitcoin http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10728809/One-in-twenty-have-bought-illegal-drugs-with-Bitcoin.html 7 Shocking Things You Can Buy with Bitcoins
Drugs Guns Sex Hackers Tools Forged Documents Hit men Lasers http://news.discovery.com/tech/gear-and-gadgets/7-shocking-things-buy-bitcoin-131009.htm Hackers allegedly stole $400 million in bitcoins http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/02/28/hackers-allegedly-stole-400-million-in-bitcoins-heres-how-to-catch-them/ Either way, if bitcoins are involved/required to make an "official" donation, you will see many people avoid association with the donation system. I'm not going to derail this thread any further, if someone wants to talk bitcoins in more details, then start a new thread. My point is we don't need to associate this case with anything that can be used as PR/Media weapon to undermine the credibility of the legal fight. Wes |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 9:05:23 PM EDT
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Have ya'll been in any negotiations with ATF legal council? Looking bad or promising from there perspective? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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After many hours of internal debate for years over whether to spend thousands on an mg, I think it's safe to say, I'm looking for a donation link. i have asked Striker to approve. the donation page is set up and I am waiting for approval.
Have the cases been filed? Not yet..... though there are things happening behind the scenes i can't post about yet. no. |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 9:16:06 PM EDT
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i have asked Striker to approve. the donation page is set up and I am waiting for approval.
Have the cases been filed? Not yet..... though there are things happening behind the scenes i can't post about yet. Why? I can see that discussion "Counselor, you should bring lube to court, we plan to go in dry and are exceptionally well hung." |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 10:20:29 PM EDT
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my fundraising request has been approved. I will post something shortly once I have the necessary information.
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Posted: 10/9/2014 10:42:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: my fundraising request has been approved. I will post something shortly once I have the necessary information.  |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 10:43:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hurry up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: my fundraising request has been approved. I will post something shortly once I have the necessary information.  |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 10:46:05 PM EDT
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No shit, some of us have legal machine guns we need to build.
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my fundraising request has been approved. I will post something shortly once I have the necessary information.
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Posted: 10/9/2014 10:52:26 PM EDT
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my fundraising request has been approved. I will post something shortly once I have the necessary information. Anybody else have a freedom boner right now? |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 10:55:30 PM EDT
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my fundraising request has been approved. I will post something shortly once I have the necessary information. Anybody else have a freedom boner right now? Many of us will have to contact a medical professional in less than 4 hours. |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 10:56:51 PM EDT
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my fundraising request has been approved. I will post something shortly once I have the necessary information.
Did you forget your screen name again bob? |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 10:58:36 PM EDT
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Anybody else have a freedom boner right now? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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my fundraising request has been approved. I will post something shortly once I have the necessary information. Anybody else have a freedom boner right now? I've had one all day long. I had an appointment today getting some paperwork signed. I'm about to be a new member of a federal court. 
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Posted: 10/9/2014 11:07:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've had one all day long. I had an appointment today getting some paperwork signed. I'm about to be a new member of a federal court. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: my fundraising request has been approved. I will post something shortly once I have the necessary information. Anybody else have a freedom boner right now? I've had one all day long. I had an appointment today getting some paperwork signed. I'm about to be a new member of a federal court. |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 11:07:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's awesome! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: my fundraising request has been approved. I will post something shortly once I have the necessary information. Anybody else have a freedom boner right now? I've had one all day long. I had an appointment today getting some paperwork signed. I'm about to be a new member of a federal court.  |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 11:09:23 PM EDT
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I've had one all day long. I had an appointment today getting some paperwork signed. I'm about to be a new member of a federal court. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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my fundraising request has been approved. I will post something shortly once I have the necessary information. Anybody else have a freedom boner right now? I've had one all day long. I had an appointment today getting some paperwork signed. I'm about to be a new member of a federal court. So you were bribed by the Feds to drop the lawsuit with an appointment to the federal court? 
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Posted: 10/9/2014 11:16:26 PM EDT
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I know quite a bit about the currency system. The problem is that the media can have a field day with it. Check out these headlines: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10728809/One-in-twenty-have-bought-illegal-drugs-with-Bitcoin.html http://news.discovery.com/tech/gear-and-gadgets/7-shocking-things-buy-bitcoin-131009.htm http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/02/28/hackers-allegedly-stole-400-million-in-bitcoins-heres-how-to-catch-them/ Either way, if bitcoins are involved/required to make an "official" donation, you will see many people avoid association with the donation system. I'm not going to derail this thread any further, if someone wants to talk bitcoins in more details, then start a new thread. My point is we don't need to associate this case with anything that can be used as PR/Media weapon to undermine the credibility of the legal fight. Wes Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You obviously have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to bitcoin. I know quite a bit about the currency system. The problem is that the media can have a field day with it. Check out these headlines: One in twenty have bought illegal drugs with Bitcoin http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10728809/One-in-twenty-have-bought-illegal-drugs-with-Bitcoin.html 7 Shocking Things You Can Buy with Bitcoins
Drugs Guns Sex Hackers Tools Forged Documents Hit men Lasers http://news.discovery.com/tech/gear-and-gadgets/7-shocking-things-buy-bitcoin-131009.htm Hackers allegedly stole $400 million in bitcoins http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/02/28/hackers-allegedly-stole-400-million-in-bitcoins-heres-how-to-catch-them/ Either way, if bitcoins are involved/required to make an "official" donation, you will see many people avoid association with the donation system. I'm not going to derail this thread any further, if someone wants to talk bitcoins in more details, then start a new thread. My point is we don't need to associate this case with anything that can be used as PR/Media weapon to undermine the credibility of the legal fight. Wes I will briefly. And I'll counter you with some places that accept bitcoin. Newegg Overstock Amazon Shopify Aliexpress Dish Network CeX 1800Flowers Monoprix AirBaltic Theater Tickets Direct Honest Brew REEDS Jewlers Sac Kings San Jose Earthquakes Expedia Holiday Inn Cai-Capita Pembury Tavern Foodler Your argument is akin to telling them not to accept USD because it's used to buy drugs and whatnot. End derail |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 11:22:50 PM EDT
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... End derail Please and thank you. 
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Posted: 10/9/2014 11:24:20 PM EDT
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my fundraising request has been approved. I will post something shortly once I have the necessary information. Anybody else have a freedom boner right now? I've had one all day long. I had an appointment today getting some paperwork signed. I'm about to be a new member of a federal court. So you were bribed by the Feds to drop the lawsuit with an appointment to the federal court? No! I was sworn in to a different state's federal court today. It will all be revealed soon. |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 11:31:01 PM EDT
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Regarding the bitcoin you are both right. I am inclined to agree with xviperx420 wangstang. We need to provide as few PR opportunities for the anti gun pundits to spin. Its possible that they don't spin the bitcoin point but it's possible they do. We need all the angles we can get.
Then again funding is funding and if people offer bitcoin... Edit: see strike through, sorry for the confusion. |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 11:32:39 PM EDT
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Regarding the bitcoin you are both right. I am inclined to agree with xviperx420. We need to provide as few PR opportunities for the anti gun pundits to spin. Its possible that they don't spin the bitcoin point but it's possible they do. We need all the angles we can get. Then again funding is funding and if people offer bitcoin... ...they can cash it out themselves and put the dollars into the hat. Problem solved, problem staying solved. 
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Posted: 10/9/2014 11:39:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No! I was sworn in to a different state's federal court today. It will all be revealed soon. |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 11:46:27 PM EDT
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Go Nolo! I know there are undoubtably some gifted attorneys involved with this but having Nolo in the mix makes me feel a lot better about our chances.
As for the bitcoin thing, I agree with wangstang. The opposition and the media love to spin whatever they can against us. Let's not make it easy for them. Most people don't know anything about crypto-currency beyond what they hear in the news and this could be easily spun-fed to the ignorant masses. |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 12:46:23 AM EDT
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... End derail Please and thank you. +1. My offer stands to help and to donate - but I'm not going to discuss it further in this thread. |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 1:10:38 AM EDT
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I don't know if it would be useful or appreciated, but I want to donate a form 1-able XM-67A1 frag grenade body and fuze assembly for the cause in a color of an individual's choosing.
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Posted: 10/10/2014 11:39:04 AM EDT
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I don't know if it would be useful or appreciated, but I want to donate a form 1-able XM-67A1 frag grenade body and fuze assembly for the cause in a color of an individual's choosing. Please film the UPS guy's reaction when you declare what you're shipping
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Posted: 10/10/2014 11:45:51 AM EDT
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So should I submit an eform1 to go full auto on my PS90 or wait for all this to get straightened out?
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Posted: 10/10/2014 11:46:04 AM EDT
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my fundraising request has been approved. I will post something shortly once I have the necessary information. Any updates? Some of us are more than a little ready to wildly throw cash at this effort. |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 11:49:40 AM EDT
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Teasers continue: Another step closer. Seriously, a "post 86 machine gun litigation" thread needs to start when you info bomb us. I will. Lawsuit #3 in the works. maybe i have missed this, but how is funding working on this? Which/what court are you filing in? The details on funding are still being worked out. An update will be posted in the OP when we have everything in order. Yes i know this, but i asked a question to the guy on the internet that says hes an attorney. mainly,on how he is presently facilitating funding on the cases that have been filed etc. Not the reception of donations neither of my questions have been not been answered. last i checked, attorneys do not file, nor do any work for free. Also, is there anyone to verify that the person asking for donations is actually trustworthy for hundreds of people to give thousands of dollars to supposedly file a suit in an unnamed district, with an unnamed case, and actually follow through without any checks and balances? adding up on this thread, it seems to be expected a shit load of money to be pledged. I would like to know if it actually goes to the cause, not the person. |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 11:56:14 AM EDT
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Yes i know this, but i asked a question to the guy on the internet that says hes an attorney. mainly,on how he is presently facilitating funding on the cases that have been filed etc. Not the reception of donations neither of my questions have been not been answered. last i checked, attorneys do not file, nor do any work for free. Also, is there anyone to verify that the person asking for donations is actually trustworthy for hundreds of people to give thousands of dollars to supposedly file a suit in an unnamed district, with an unnamed case, and actually follow through without any checks and balances? adding up on this thread, it seems to be expected a shit load of money to be pledged. I would like to know if it actually goes to the cause, not the person. End quote Lol Eta fuck this stupid quote limit shit Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 12:01:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote criio1 Yes i know this, but i asked a question to the guy on the internet that says hes an attorney. mainly,on how he is presently facilitating funding on the cases that have been filed etc. Not the reception of donations neither of my questions have been not been answered. last i checked, attorneys do not file, nor do any work for free. Also, is there anyone to verify that the person asking for donations is actually trustworthy for hundreds of people to give thousands of dollars to supposedly file a suit in an unnamed district, with an unnamed case, and actually follow through without any checks and balances? adding up on this thread, it seems to be expected a shit load of money to be pledged. I would like to know if it actually goes to the cause, not the person. End quote Lol Eta fuck this stupid quote limit shit Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 12:13:21 PM EDT
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Quote criio1 Yes i know this, but i asked a question to the guy on the internet that says hes an attorney. mainly,on how he is presently facilitating funding on the cases that have been filed etc. Not the reception of donations neither of my questions have been not been answered. last i checked, attorneys do not file, nor do any work for free. Also, is there anyone to verify that the person asking for donations is actually trustworthy for hundreds of people to give thousands of dollars to supposedly file a suit in an unnamed district, with an unnamed case, and actually follow through without any checks and balances? adding up on this thread, it seems to be expected a shit load of money to be pledged. I would like to know if it actually goes to the cause, not the person. End quote Lol Eta fuck this stupid quote limit shit Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Source? NOLO law comes up with nothing for me on google fu ETA, a link to quickin and self help |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 12:13:25 PM EDT
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Still waiting on my 2 refunds, been past 30 days now maybe they'll keep it and give me my stamps when the lawsuits are filed lol.
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Posted: 10/10/2014 12:16:11 PM EDT
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Yes i know this, but i asked a question to the guy on the internet that says hes an attorney. mainly,on how he is presently facilitating funding on the cases that have been filed etc. Not the reception of donations neither of my questions have been not been answered. last i checked, attorneys do not file, nor do any work for free. Also, is there anyone to verify that the person asking for donations is actually trustworthy for hundreds of people to give thousands of dollars to supposedly file a suit in an unnamed district, with an unnamed case, and actually follow through without any checks and balances? adding up on this thread, it seems to be expected a shit load of money to be pledged. I would like to know if it actually goes to the cause, not the person. Dude, Relax. Nolo is good to go. If, for whatever reason you have reservations. Wait for a while before donating. This is not going to happen in a few weeks, you'll have plenty of time to donate. Nolo also explained somewhere in this thread how any donations would be spent and what would happen to any excess funds. I didn't read it closely, 'cause I trust the man and really don't care what happens to any leftover (yeah right!) funds. |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 12:19:15 PM EDT
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Yes i know this, but i asked a question to the guy on the internet that says hes an attorney. mainly,on how he is presently facilitating funding on the cases that have been filed etc. Not the reception of donations neither of my questions have been not been answered. last i checked, attorneys do not file, nor do any work for free. Also, is there anyone to verify that the person asking for donations is actually trustworthy for hundreds of people to give thousands of dollars to supposedly file a suit in an unnamed district, with an unnamed case, and actually follow through without any checks and balances? adding up on this thread, it seems to be expected a shit load of money to be pledged. I would like to know if it actually goes to the cause, not the person. I am an attorney. Many people can vouch for me here. I have met many people from here in various places (cola warrior, NRA convention, lunches, seminars, etc). There have not been any filed cases yet. I am working on a complaint that will be filed "soon," but can't disclose the exact date yet. The ATF and others are viewing this site, and the ATF will be a defendant in this case. I understand you are leery of donating to unknown people that are doing unknown things. That is understandable. My advice to people that are unsure is to NOT donate anything until you see filings (which I will post here and on my website once filed). I am an attorney that has filed and done work, for people on ar15.com, for free. I have also done work, for various members, for pay. The districts will be revealed as we file. At this time, I can tell you that I am filing in three separate states. The amount of prep work that goes into something like this is mind boggling. TL;DR: If you are uncomfortable donating now, just wait till things get filed. Or don't donate anything and just say a prayer that all goes according to plan. |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 12:21:08 PM EDT
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Dude, Relax. Nolo is good to go. If, for whatever reason you have reservations. Wait for a while before donating. This is not going to happen in a few weeks, you'll have plenty of time to donate. Nolo also explained somewhere in this thread how any donations would be spent and what would happen to any excess funds. I didn't read it closely, 'cause I trust the man and really don't care what happens to any leftover (yeah right!) funds. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes i know this, but i asked a question to the guy on the internet that says hes an attorney. mainly,on how he is presently facilitating funding on the cases that have been filed etc. Not the reception of donations neither of my questions have been not been answered. last i checked, attorneys do not file, nor do any work for free. Also, is there anyone to verify that the person asking for donations is actually trustworthy for hundreds of people to give thousands of dollars to supposedly file a suit in an unnamed district, with an unnamed case, and actually follow through without any checks and balances? adding up on this thread, it seems to be expected a shit load of money to be pledged. I would like to know if it actually goes to the cause, not the person. Dude, Relax. Nolo is good to go. If, for whatever reason you have reservations. Wait for a while before donating. This is not going to happen in a few weeks, you'll have plenty of time to donate. Nolo also explained somewhere in this thread how any donations would be spent and what would happen to any excess funds. I didn't read it closely, 'cause I trust the man and really don't care what happens to any leftover (yeah right!) funds. i recall this. i'm relaxed. i'm just questioning how money is spent, don't you question how your money is spent? |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 12:31:40 PM EDT
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i recall this. i'm relaxed. i'm just questioning how money is spent, don't you question how your money is spent? Nolo explained above so I'll keep it short. If I am comfortable enough to donate, it means I have enough trust to not need an accounting. Of course, my donations tend to be small, cause my daughters keep me broke most of the time.
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Posted: 10/10/2014 12:51:31 PM EDT
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Can we please avoid Bit Coins. Let's keep the donations and standards of money involved in line with existing US laws while also avoiding the concerns of bit coin hacks/lost coinage and value fluctuations. Thanks Wes None of those things are concerns at all with Bitcoin, if set up properly. I've already volunteered to do that. Why on Earth would you refuse donations? What do you gain with bitcoins? A donation to legal proceedings would simply be a donation stating that you were supporting the legal inquiry into the depths of protections of constitutionally protected rights. With the US government already doing it's best to try to figure out how to contain and prevent the use of bitcoins and their use related to the purchase of contraband items, there's no reason to add another issue to be dealt with that can distract from success of this case. Think of the media sound bites..."People who think fully automatic machine guns should be available for everyone are using "bitcoins", a false currency used by many involved in illegal trades of guns drugs and stolen items, to finance their attorney." Why bother with that nonsense when simply sending a check or kicking a paypal donation in or whatever means via credit card online will provide ample opportunity to contribute to the cases. Wes You obviously have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to bitcoin. The understanding of bitcoin on this forum is about as good as the knowledge of firearms by MSNBC. |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 12:56:26 PM EDT
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Yes i know this, but i asked a question to the guy on the internet that says hes an attorney. mainly,on how he is presently facilitating funding on the cases that have been filed etc. Not the reception of donations neither of my questions have been not been answered. last i checked, attorneys do not file, nor do any work for free. Also, is there anyone to verify that the person asking for donations is actually trustworthy for hundreds of people to give thousands of dollars to supposedly file a suit in an unnamed district, with an unnamed case, and actually follow through without any checks and balances? adding up on this thread, it seems to be expected a shit load of money to be pledged. I would like to know if it actually goes to the cause, not the person. If you go back through this thread, you'll see many of us (Nolo, Orpheus, I_am_Dan, several others including me) saying to wait on donating until there was a organized way of accepting donations that would have some transparency and be completely on the up and up. We absolutely did not want someone to start accepting donations and then making off with the money or otherwise betraying the trust and intentions of the donors. Nolo is good to go. Nolo is one of the most respected members of this site. Many here consider him a friend. Don't send money to anyone until you feel comfortable, but when Nolo says the case(s) are filed and we need funding, I'm sending money. |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 2:12:46 PM EDT
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i recall this. i'm relaxed. i'm just questioning how money is spent, don't you question how your money is spent? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes i know this, but i asked a question to the guy on the internet that says hes an attorney. mainly,on how he is presently facilitating funding on the cases that have been filed etc. Not the reception of donations neither of my questions have been not been answered. last i checked, attorneys do not file, nor do any work for free. Also, is there anyone to verify that the person asking for donations is actually trustworthy for hundreds of people to give thousands of dollars to supposedly file a suit in an unnamed district, with an unnamed case, and actually follow through without any checks and balances? adding up on this thread, it seems to be expected a shit load of money to be pledged. I would like to know if it actually goes to the cause, not the person. Dude, Relax. Nolo is good to go. If, for whatever reason you have reservations. Wait for a while before donating. This is not going to happen in a few weeks, you'll have plenty of time to donate. Nolo also explained somewhere in this thread how any donations would be spent and what would happen to any excess funds. I didn't read it closely, 'cause I trust the man and really don't care what happens to any leftover (yeah right!) funds. i recall this. i'm relaxed. i'm just questioning how money is spent, don't you question how your money is spent? I don't care how my money is spent if we get MGs. 
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Posted: 10/10/2014 2:23:33 PM EDT
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There have not been any filed cases yet. I am working on a complaint that will be filed "soon," but can't disclose the exact date yet. The ATF and others are viewing this site, and the ATF will be a defendant in this case. This thread just keeps getting more and more awesome every day
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Posted: 10/10/2014 2:42:26 PM EDT
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I have a freedom boner and I want to make it rain all over the legal fund
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Posted: 10/10/2014 2:51:10 PM EDT
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This fund-raising request has been approved by Striker. Please note that AR15.com is not involved in this, and if you have any questions regarding the fund-raising or anything else, please direct them to me.
http://www.gofundme.com/fmxlnk My name is Stephen Stamboulieh. And I approve this message. I am an attorney in Mississippi that has tirelessly worked to further our 2nd Amendment rights. Now, my sights are set on 18 USC sec 922(o). This is known as the machinegun ban. I don't believe this is constitutional in light of the Second Amendment to the Constitution. Likewise, the National Firearms Act ("NFA"), which taxes the making and transferring of Title II weapons (machineguns, suppressors, short barrel rifles, short barrel shotguns, etc) is ripe to be attacked on Second Amendment grounds. We have the avenue to attack both the machinegun ban and the NFA with the BATFE's recent approval of a number of Form 1s. I have a number of clients that I will be filing a lawsuit on behalf of to seek to overturn the ban and the NFA in different states. This will be expensive. I am in the process of collecting donations to offset the legal fees in this case. If you are interested in assisting, please donate. No donation is too small. These lawsuits will be funded strictly off donations. Unlike the government, we do not have an unlimited war chest to fund this. That is where the grass roots come into play. We can do this, but we need your help! All donations will be held in my lawyer trust account. As we work on the cases and "bill" time to the case, the trust account will be debited. If we get $10,000 in donations, and my fees/expenses total $50,000, then I will only be paid the $10,000. If we get $100,000 in donations, and my fees/expenses are $50,000, we will hold the funds in trust until such time as the appeals are exhausted (if necessary) or the remainder is donated to a Second Amendment rights group. It is important to know that I WILL NOT KEEP ANY UNEARNED DONATED FUNDS! Period. I doubt that will be an issue due to the breadth and number of cases, but I want to be upfront. If you cannot donate, please keep us in your thoughts and prayers that we are successful in overturning the ban and the NFA, and that "the right to keep and bear arms" can continue to be restored through the courts. Thank you, Stephen Stamboulieh, Esq. Disclaimer - Your donation does not create an attorney-client relationship with me or any other attorney I associate on these cases. You are donating to the lawsuits and not paying for legal advice. You should not consider information on this page to be an invitation for any attorney-client relationship. The content of this page does not convey legal, accounting, tax, career or other professional advice of any kind. You should not rely on the information as legal advice for any purpose as it may not reflect current legal developments. No person viewing this page should act or refrain from acting on the basis of information included on this page, and this page should not be relied upon or used as a substitute for consultation with professional advisors. My website is: http://www.sdslaw.us My email is stephen @ sdslaw.us |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 2:52:00 PM EDT
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I decided to post the fund raising info in this thread, and will wait to start a new thread upon filing of the cases.
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