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Posted: 3/7/2015 4:34:34 PM EDT
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What so special about owning a MG , I own one and the ATF had no part in my owning it ! Uhhh......... If you're serious and not just trolling, there could be some federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison in your future. 
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Posted: 3/7/2015 4:35:46 PM EDT
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Do you want this one locked? Nah, I'm just saying, all of the current and productive conversation is going on in Nolo's thread. Exactly. I'm not saying I want a lock, I'm just saying that any further conversation in this thread likely won't give you the whole picture without reading Nolo's thread. |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 4:38:25 PM EDT
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What so special about owning a MG , I own one and the ATF had no part in my owning it ! Go on.... 
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Posted: 3/7/2015 4:43:00 PM EDT
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I'm not saying I want a lock, I'm just saying that any further conversation in this thread likely won't give you the whole picture without reading Nolo's thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you want this one locked? Nah, I'm just saying, all of the current and productive conversation is going on in Nolo's thread. Exactly. I'm not saying I want a lock, I'm just saying that any further conversation in this thread likely won't give you the whole picture without reading Nolo's thread. This thread should remain unlocked on the off chance of a victory celebration. 
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Posted: 3/8/2015 12:01:34 AM EDT
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This thread should remain unlocked on the off chance of a victory celebration. It'll be like the ewok orgy after the death star blew up. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 12:18:41 AM EDT
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This thread should remain unlocked on the off chance of a victory celebration. It'll be like the ewok orgy after the death star blew up. I wouldn't want to be a moderator or site staff when that happens. The number of dupes will be astronomical. This thread and the NOLO thread will each hit 1,000 pages within hours. The massive electron surge headed toward the servers in Texas will disrupt Earth's magnetic field and may even realign the poles, making Dallas the new magnetic north pole. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 11:58:16 PM EDT
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I need to buy oone of those Tapco lowers to form 1.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Besides, if Nolo wins, how will I be able to post pics of my Form 1 approved select-fire OBR if this thread is locked? I need to buy oone of those Tapco lowers to form 1. Make sure you put a slidefire on it along with obligatory Tapco furniture... 
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Posted: 3/9/2015 12:04:32 AM EDT
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Make sure you put a slidefire on it along with obligatory Tapco furniture... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Besides, if Nolo wins, how will I be able to post pics of my Form 1 approved select-fire OBR if this thread is locked? I need to buy oone of those Tapco lowers to form 1. Make sure you put a slidefire on it along with obligatory Tapco furniture... 
You mean drill the 3rd hole?  
ETA: Or do you mean to bump fire it while in full auto? 
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Posted: 3/9/2015 12:27:46 AM EDT
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I wouldn't want to be a moderator or site staff when that happens. The number of dupes will be astronomical. This thread and the NOLO thread will each hit 1,000 pages within hours. The massive electron surge headed toward the servers in Texas will disrupt Earth's magnetic field and may even realign the poles, making Dallas the new magnetic north pole. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread should remain unlocked on the off chance of a victory celebration. It'll be like the ewok orgy after the death star blew up. I wouldn't want to be a moderator or site staff when that happens. The number of dupes will be astronomical. This thread and the NOLO thread will each hit 1,000 pages within hours. The massive electron surge headed toward the servers in Texas will disrupt Earth's magnetic field and may even realign the poles, making Dallas the new magnetic north pole. I think the mods would just give up for a week. If it happens, I promise to post non-COC hot chick pictures in GD. Ban me, I won't care, I'll be too busy Form 1'ing all the things, including revolvers, a flintlock, my toaster oven, truck and iPhone. |
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Posted: 3/9/2015 12:31:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the mods would just give up for a week. If it happens, I promise to post non-COC hot chick pictures in GD. Ban me, I won't care, I'll be too busy Form 1'ing all the things, including revolvers, a flintlock, my toaster oven, truck and iPhone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This thread should remain unlocked on the off chance of a victory celebration. It'll be like the ewok orgy after the death star blew up. I wouldn't want to be a moderator or site staff when that happens. The number of dupes will be astronomical. This thread and the NOLO thread will each hit 1,000 pages within hours. The massive electron surge headed toward the servers in Texas will disrupt Earth's magnetic field and may even realign the poles, making Dallas the new magnetic north pole. I think the mods would just give up for a week. If it happens, I promise to post non-COC hot chick pictures in GD. Ban me, I won't care, I'll be too busy Form 1'ing all the things, including revolvers, a flintlock, my toaster oven, truck and iPhone. |
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Posted: 3/9/2015 12:34:28 AM EDT
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It takes seven months now, if we win it will take seven years to get your form 1 back
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Posted: 3/9/2015 12:38:06 AM EDT
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It takes seven months now, if we win it will take seven years to get your form 1 back A right delayed is a right denied.
Sue all the things! |
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Posted: 3/9/2015 12:47:55 AM EDT
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You mean drill the 3rd hole?
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Besides, if Nolo wins, how will I be able to post pics of my Form 1 approved select-fire OBR if this thread is locked? I need to buy oone of those Tapco lowers to form 1. Make sure you put a slidefire on it along with obligatory Tapco furniture...
You mean drill the 3rd hole?
ETA: Or do you mean to bump fire it while in full auto? You just know some redneck somewhere will bubba up an M-16 with a slidefire. That was more what I was thinking "It will make it shoot faster!" 
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Posted: 3/9/2015 6:53:00 AM EDT
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Make sure you put a slidefire on it along with obligatory Tapco furniture... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Besides, if Nolo wins, how will I be able to post pics of my Form 1 approved select-fire OBR if this thread is locked? I need to buy oone of those Tapco lowers to form 1. Make sure you put a slidefire on it along with obligatory Tapco furniture... AWWWWWW YIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSS |
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Posted: 3/9/2015 7:21:26 AM EDT
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It takes seven months now, if we win it will take seven years to get your form 1 back If Nolo wins, you may not need one. |
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Posted: 4/5/2015 9:15:06 PM EDT
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I purchased my trust on Black Friday from 199trust. Just moved in to the new house, so I can notarize it tomorrow with the correct address.
From the OP: Should I submit a Form 1 through a trust right now? Yes. As of right now, the ATF is aware of what is going on with these Form 1s. Your submission will likely be rejected, however it would add you to a class of trustees who have standing against the ATF in the event of future legal action. Even though your Form 1 application will likely be denied, it would be helpful to submit a Form 1. Is this still a good idea? I want to have STANDING if the lawsuit overturns the Hughes Amendment on the account of the GCA definition of a "person". |
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Posted: 4/5/2015 9:21:00 PM EDT
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I purchased my trust on Black Friday from 199trust. Just moved in to the new house, so I can notarize it tomorrow with the correct address. From the OP: Should I submit a Form 1 through a trust right now? Yes. As of right now, the ATF is aware of what is going on with these Form 1s. Your submission will likely be rejected, however it would add you to a class of trustees who have standing against the ATF in the event of future legal action. Even though your Form 1 application will likely be denied, it would be helpful to submit a Form 1. Is this still a good idea? I want to have STANDING if the lawsuit overturns the Hughes Amendment on the account of the GCA definition of a "person". If the lawsuit is successful, everybody will be able to form 1 a MG. I'd say you're probably good sitting tight since the ball is already rolling. Should you decide to file, the worst they can do is say "no". |
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Posted: 4/5/2015 9:38:21 PM EDT
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If the lawsuit is successful, every body TRUST will be able to form 1 a MG. I'd say you're probably good sitting tight since the ball is already rolling. Should you decide to file, the worst they can do is say "no". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I purchased my trust on Black Friday from 199trust. Just moved in to the new house, so I can notarize it tomorrow with the correct address. From the OP: Should I submit a Form 1 through a trust right now? Yes. As of right now, the ATF is aware of what is going on with these Form 1s. Your submission will likely be rejected, however it would add you to a class of trustees who have standing against the ATF in the event of future legal action. Even though your Form 1 application will likely be denied, it would be helpful to submit a Form 1. Is this still a good idea? I want to have STANDING if the lawsuit overturns the Hughes Amendment on the account of the GCA definition of a "person". If the lawsuit is successful, every body TRUST will be able to form 1 a MG. I'd say you're probably good sitting tight since the ball is already rolling. Should you decide to file, the worst they can do is say "no". I am going to go for it. - I can afford to have $200 sitting in limbo until this runs its course. - The lawsuit challenges that a trust is not a person per the GCA and the ATF's own description. - A judge COULD overturn the whole thing (NFA, GCA, and FOPA block of MGs manufactured after 86), but probably won't. They are only there to address Hollis' complaint regarding his rights to act as a trust per the definition of a trust per the GCA. - IF the judge says, "Mr Hollis, you are right, a trust is not a person. Mr ATF, give him back his lower," anyone in line with a check, trust, and a completed form 1 sitting at (Or already denied by the ATF) would have standing. I'm going to go get me some standing. |
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Posted: 4/5/2015 9:40:04 PM EDT
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I am going to go for it. - I can afford to have $200 sitting in limbo until this runs its course. - The lawsuit challenges that a trust is not a person per the GCA and the ATF's own description. - A judge COULD overturn the whole thing (NFA, GCA, and FOPA block of MGs manufactured after 86), but probably won't. They are only there to address Hollis' complaint regarding his rights to act as a trust per the definition of a trust per the GCA. - IF the judge says, "Mr Hollis, you are right, a trust is not a person. Mr ATF, give him back his lower," anyone in line with a check, trust, and a completed form 1 sitting at (Or already denied by the ATF) would have standing. I'm going to go get me some standing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I purchased my trust on Black Friday from 199trust. Just moved in to the new house, so I can notarize it tomorrow with the correct address. From the OP: Should I submit a Form 1 through a trust right now? Yes. As of right now, the ATF is aware of what is going on with these Form 1s. Your submission will likely be rejected, however it would add you to a class of trustees who have standing against the ATF in the event of future legal action. Even though your Form 1 application will likely be denied, it would be helpful to submit a Form 1. Is this still a good idea? I want to have STANDING if the lawsuit overturns the Hughes Amendment on the account of the GCA definition of a "person". I hope this is true. I'm about to get a Wilson Combat SBR. I may hold out for this purpose. If the lawsuit is successful, every body TRUST will be able to form 1 a MG. I'd say you're probably good sitting tight since the ball is already rolling. Should you decide to file, the worst they can do is say "no". I am going to go for it. - I can afford to have $200 sitting in limbo until this runs its course. - The lawsuit challenges that a trust is not a person per the GCA and the ATF's own description. - A judge COULD overturn the whole thing (NFA, GCA, and FOPA block of MGs manufactured after 86), but probably won't. They are only there to address Hollis' complaint regarding his rights to act as a trust per the definition of a trust per the GCA. - IF the judge says, "Mr Hollis, you are right, a trust is not a person. Mr ATF, give him back his lower," anyone in line with a check, trust, and a completed form 1 sitting at (Or already denied by the ATF) would have standing. I'm going to go get me some standing. |
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Posted: 4/5/2015 11:46:03 PM EDT
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IIRC, Nolo's lawsuit is targeting the Hughes amendment (922 (o)). So if it is successful, yes, EVERYBODY can from 1 MG, not just trusts.
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Posted: 4/5/2015 11:54:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I purchased my trust on Black Friday from 199trust. Just moved in to the new house, so I can notarize it tomorrow with the correct address. From the OP: Should I submit a Form 1 through a trust right now? Yes. As of right now, the ATF is aware of what is going on with these Form 1s. Your submission will likely be rejected, however it would add you to a class of trustees who have standing against the ATF in the event of future legal action. Even though your Form 1 application will likely be denied, it would be helpful to submit a Form 1. Is this still a good idea? I want to have STANDING if the lawsuit overturns the Hughes Amendment on the account of the GCA definition of a "person". I hope this is true. I'm about to get a Wilson Combat SBR. I may hold out for this purpose. If the lawsuit is successful, every body TRUST will be able to form 1 a MG. I'd say you're probably good sitting tight since the ball is already rolling. Should you decide to file, the worst they can do is say "no". I am going to go for it. - I can afford to have $200 sitting in limbo until this runs its course. - The lawsuit challenges that a trust is not a person per the GCA and the ATF's own description. - A judge COULD overturn the whole thing (NFA, GCA, and FOPA block of MGs manufactured after 86), but probably won't. They are only there to address Hollis' complaint regarding his rights to act as a trust per the definition of a trust per the GCA. - IF the judge says, "Mr Hollis, you are right, a trust is not a person. Mr ATF, give him back his lower," anyone in line with a check, trust, and a completed form 1 sitting at (Or already denied by the ATF) would have standing. I'm going to go get me some standing. ETA> Missed the denied part |
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Posted: 4/6/2015 7:52:45 AM EDT
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Except you will not be in line they will have denied your request LONG before the dust settles on this ETA> Missed the denied part My thinking is, if it is ruled that a trust does not equal person, and congress works their butts off to patch the freedom hole, I would have my request in before the modification was enacted. Yeah, it is a long shot. Yeah, they haven't respected the whole date thing before. But is worth it. |
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Posted: 4/6/2015 8:24:58 AM EDT
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Knock yourself out, but if you file, I doubt you'll receive any special treatment or preference at this point. It will undoubtedly be treated like any other denied application.
You'll get your denied form back, they'll refund your tax, and you'll have to reapply when/if Nolo's lawsuit is successful. That's just how I see it going down, but if you want to just for kicks, go for it! |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 2:28:54 AM EDT
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Hey nolo, keep up the good work. When this case is over, we might have some work for you in WA. The ATF was approving Form 1s for SBRs from June 12, 2014 until sometime in the last few weeks...now they are all being denied with the ATF saying that the law does not allow people to "make" via Form 1, only transfer. IMO it's BS, because they law says you can "acquire" and it mentions the form 1 / making process specifically in the legislative notes. At any rate....yeah, we've got a "some are approved and now no one is" situation here too.
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Posted: 7/13/2015 4:32:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/13/2015 4:36:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/13/2015 4:44:17 PM EDT
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The other thread is where the updates are.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1681489_NFA_cases__Hollis_v__Lynch__Watson_v__Holder___p_134_Motion_for_leave_to_supplement_authority.html |
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Posted: 7/13/2015 4:45:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/13/2015 5:36:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Uhhh......... If you're serious and not just trolling, there could be some federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison in your future. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/e9/68/f5/e968f5b43ef215b2249ebb520e3feb33.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What so special about owning a MG , I own one and the ATF had no part in my owning it ! Uhhh......... If you're serious and not just trolling, there could be some federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison in your future. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/e9/68/f5/e968f5b43ef215b2249ebb520e3feb33.jpg  |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:34:09 AM EDT
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since its been a couple of weeks; bump
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Posted: 9/3/2015 4:30:36 PM EDT
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Court dates set for this yet? Also what's the status of funding? Good lawyers are expensive generally... If they have a weak handshake, or dress like Matlock drop them and find a bulldog. Court is a popularity contest as much as a battle of wits in my experience.
I just started a trust, anyone else get a form 1 machine gun denied yet? Saw a ton of dudes saying they'd send off papers earlier in the thread. 
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Posted: 9/3/2015 6:13:33 PM EDT
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Court dates set for this yet? Also what's the status of funding? Good lawyers are expensive generally... If they have a weak handshake, or dress like Matlock drop them and find a bulldog. Court is a popularity contest as much as a battle of wits in my experience.
I just started a trust, anyone else get a form 1 machine gun denied yet? Saw a ton of dudes saying they'd send off papers earlier in the thread. Start reading |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 6:29:15 PM EDT
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Court dates set for this yet? Also what's the status of funding? Good lawyers are expensive generally... If they have a weak handshake, or dress like Matlock drop them and find a bulldog. Court is a popularity contest as much as a battle of wits in my experience.
I just started a trust, anyone else get a form 1 machine gun denied yet? Saw a ton of dudes saying they'd send off papers earlier in the thread. Start reading We've long-since migrated here. |
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Posted: 10/23/2015 3:08:53 PM EDT
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Last post was over a month ago... any news?
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Posted: 10/23/2015 3:17:49 PM EDT
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Last post was over a month ago... any news? Wait for Monday... |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 1:20:05 AM EDT
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