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Posted: 4/23/2014 2:25:30 PM EDT
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Well I guess fast and furious better get in the action before they are banned.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 2:26:52 PM EDT
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Well.....crap.... I'm boned.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 2:27:36 PM EDT
[#3]
wow 45 whole rounds a minute. that baby can really cycle!
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Posted: 4/23/2014 2:30:29 PM EDT
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wonderful
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Posted: 4/23/2014 2:33:09 PM EDT
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May JMB watch over Dimitri Karras and protect him in his time of need
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Posted: 4/23/2014 2:34:26 PM EDT
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"One that needs just a couple more holes drilled in it".
Like a customer bring in a junk car and telling you it just needs a tune up. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 2:50:27 PM EDT
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You been under a rock or sumthin...?
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1602487_ATF_Raids_Ares_Armor_to_Seize_Customer_List_and_Inventory__EP80__ruled_a_Firearm.html&light=Ares|Armor |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 2:52:12 PM EDT
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How are they going to change the law to ban making your own receiver?
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Posted: 4/23/2014 2:52:53 PM EDT
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In order to be innocent until proven guilty, you must prove in court that your home build was completed before the law took effect.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 2:56:37 PM EDT
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In Oceanside, Calif., Karras has made a big business out of selling kits that are easily turned into guns. And because of the way the gun laws work, no background check is required.
Marines from Pendleton know what Oceanside really offers. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 2:58:05 PM EDT
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They should make it illegal for felons to own homemade guns.... Oh wait... It's already illegal.
Has a homemade gun ever been used in a shooting? I will wager it is much easier to buy a stolen gun than make your own. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 2:58:39 PM EDT
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Its funny how there is a concerted effort from all press outlets to put something about a "background check" into every mention of guns, as if it is a universal accepted common sense. The articles all have the exact same wording
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Posted: 4/23/2014 3:02:50 PM EDT
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They should make it illegal for felons to own homemade guns.... Oh wait... It's already illegal. Has a homemade gun ever been used in a shooting? I will wager it is much easier to buy a stolen gun than make your own. Yess in cali cpl years back, kid built a AR and shot up his stepdad or some shit.. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 3:05:08 PM EDT
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Yess in cali cpl years back, kid built a AR and shot up his stepdad or some shit.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They should make it illegal for felons to own homemade guns.... Oh wait... It's already illegal. Has a homemade gun ever been used in a shooting? I will wager it is much easier to buy a stolen gun than make your own. Yess in cali cpl years back, kid built a AR and shot up his stepdad or some shit.. I think it was the guy that shot some kids in the college library. ETA: Sorry for the mobile link. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Santa_Monica_shooting |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 3:06:02 PM EDT
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It was only a matter of time....
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Posted: 4/23/2014 3:09:05 PM EDT
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I think it was the guy that shot some kids in the college library. ETA: Sorry for the mobile link. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Santa_Monica_shooting Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They should make it illegal for felons to own homemade guns.... Oh wait... It's already illegal. Has a homemade gun ever been used in a shooting? I will wager it is much easier to buy a stolen gun than make your own. Yess in cali cpl years back, kid built a AR and shot up his stepdad or some shit.. I think it was the guy that shot some kids in the college library. ETA: Sorry for the mobile link. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Santa_Monica_shooting Al I remember about it was that he used a hand drill in a drill press jig in his bedroom. After the shooting they figured out it was a 80%. If I rmember correctly, dont quote me... he couldnt own a firearm for some reason. Seems I remember something about him shooting in public aswell. Dunno, so many wackjobs out there doing stupid shit its hard to sepreate them all. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 3:10:58 PM EDT
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Its funny how there is a concerted effort from all press outlets to put something about a "background check" into every mention of guns, as if it is a universal accepted common sense. The articles all have the exact same wording Because "background check" is code for "confiscation list"
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Posted: 4/23/2014 3:12:53 PM EDT
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Al I remember about it was that he used a hand drill in a drill press jig in his bedroom. After the shooting they figured out it was a 80%. If I rmember correctly, dont quote me... he couldnt own a firearm for some reason. Seems I remember something about him shooting in public aswell. Dunno, so many wackjobs out there doing stupid shit its hard to sepreate them all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They should make it illegal for felons to own homemade guns.... Oh wait... It's already illegal. Has a homemade gun ever been used in a shooting? I will wager it is much easier to buy a stolen gun than make your own. Yess in cali cpl years back, kid built a AR and shot up his stepdad or some shit.. I think it was the guy that shot some kids in the college library. ETA: Sorry for the mobile link. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Santa_Monica_shooting Al I remember about it was that he used a hand drill in a drill press jig in his bedroom. After the shooting they figured out it was a 80%. If I rmember correctly, dont quote me... he couldnt own a firearm for some reason. Seems I remember something about him shooting in public aswell. Dunno, so many wackjobs out there doing stupid shit its hard to sepreate them all. He was "deemed ineligible" per this article. http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/13/local/la-me-0614-santa-monica-shooting-20130614 |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 3:18:44 PM EDT
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That "news" article is about as accurate as a broken calculator. What a load of crap, "registered with the Feds."
Bunch of nonsense only used to make people believe the laws allow some type of criminal behavior. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 3:23:38 PM EDT
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Oh FFS I could make a lower out of a 2x4 if I wanted.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 3:32:34 PM EDT
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Saw it last night.
Homemade Guns: Legal, Unregistered and Can Kill http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-m0RRbfvh4 |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 3:33:42 PM EDT
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Oh FFS I could make a lower out of a 2x4 if I wanted. prove it 
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Posted: 4/23/2014 3:45:32 PM EDT
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What ever happened to the Lego project?
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Posted: 4/23/2014 3:47:12 PM EDT
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So the ATF is finally admitting they are illegally making lists of all gun sales." It's his job to stop people from making guns ."
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Posted: 4/23/2014 3:47:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: prove it Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh FFS I could make a lower out of a 2x4 if I wanted. prove it It's been done many times.  |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 3:54:42 PM EDT
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Oh FFS I could make a lower out of a 2x4 if I wanted. Or on a 3d printer and there's fuckall they could do about it. That genie is already out of the bottle and they missed the boat by a couple years. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 4:04:39 PM EDT
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Its funny how there is a concerted effort from all press outlets to put something about a "background check" into every mention of guns, as if it is a universal accepted common sense. The articles all have the exact same wording Yep. It is a very concentrated effort. It will become more prevalent and strident as they gear up for their war on gun owners. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 4:19:30 PM EDT
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Karras isn't doing us any favors by bragging about it.
Put as many on the street as you want, just keep it to yourself. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 4:24:55 PM EDT
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I have not found photo proof yet because the agent refused to send out a copy of the particular PowerPoint slide but eyewitnesses say at a meet and greet between gun owners in Nashville and the ATF, an agent showed a slide show. In it he had a slide that showed an 80% lower and the slide said it was illegal.
Many folks saw it and it caused quote an uproar. This was about a month ago. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 4:32:00 PM EDT
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alright that's just flat COOL!
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It's been done many times. http://www.weaponeer.net/forum/uploads/orionshammer/images/2008-10-01_032154_03_success2.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh FFS I could make a lower out of a 2x4 if I wanted. prove it It's been done many times. http://www.weaponeer.net/forum/uploads/orionshammer/images/2008-10-01_032154_03_success2.jpg |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 4:32:04 PM EDT
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All of a sudden yahoo are experts on what it takes to finish an 80% lower. They make it sound like it takes zero knowledge or experience.
"Receivers are tightly regulated. They're stamped with serial numbers and registered with the Feds. You need to pass a background check to buy one. Unless you buy one that's not quite finished. One that needs just a couple more holes drilled in it. That's called an unfinished, or 80 percent, receiver. And the law says, it's not a gun. It takes about 45 minutes at a drill press to do the job" |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 4:41:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/23/2014 4:48:18 PM EDT
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All of a sudden yahoo are experts on what it takes to finish an 80% lower. They make it sound like it takes zero knowledge or experience. "Receivers are tightly regulated. They're stamped with serial numbers and registered with the Feds. You need to pass a background check to buy one. Unless you buy one that's not quite finished. One that needs just a couple more holes drilled in it. That's called an unfinished, or 80 percent, receiver. And the law says, it's not a gun. It takes about 45 minutes at a drill press to do the job" is this same woman who tried to perform a straw purchase with her husband while on camera? |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 4:59:52 PM EDT
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If they really want to make it effective, they're going to have to ban not only milling machines and access to raw material, but also knowledge and basic tools. I wouldn't put it past them to try.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:10:48 PM EDT
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If they really want to make it effective, they're going to have to ban not only milling machines and access to raw material, but also knowledge and basic tools. I wouldn't put it past them to try. The ATF can have my Hardinge when they pry it out of my cold, dead hands.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:22:09 PM EDT
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I fail to see how they can ban this, what next, ban a 0% forging, because those are made into firearms every year too
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:25:01 PM EDT
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Oh FFS I could make a lower out of a 2x4 if I wanted. Or just leave it a 2x4 and beat someone to death with it.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:26:58 PM EDT
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I have not found photo proof yet because the agent refused to send out a copy of the particular PowerPoint slide but eyewitnesses say at a meet and greet between gun owners in Nashville and the ATF, an agent showed a slide show. In it he had a slide that showed an 80% lower and the slide said it was illegal. Many folks saw it and it caused quote an uproar. This was about a month ago. This was 13 years ago. 
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:27:10 PM EDT
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They can't ban 0% or machine tools.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:29:29 PM EDT
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All of a sudden yahoo are experts on what it takes to finish an 80% lower. They make it sound like it takes zero knowledge or experience. "Receivers are tightly regulated. They're stamped with serial numbers and registered with the Feds. You need to pass a background check to buy one. Unless you buy one that's not quite finished. One that needs just a couple more holes drilled in it. That's called an unfinished, or 80 percent, receiver. And the law says, it's not a gun. It takes about 45 minutes at a drill press to do the job" Rushing it could be done in 45 minutes. I used a Harbor Freight drill press and a jig and built my first in North Carolina in 1999. I'd rather use a $40 router and an 80% arms AR-15 jig.
I built this one last weekend with my mini-mill. 
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:32:30 PM EDT
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If they really want to make it effective, they're going to have to ban not only milling machines and access to raw material, but also knowledge and basic tools. I wouldn't put it past them to try. They ban screwing an oil filter or plastic coke bottle onto your gun. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:36:33 PM EDT
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I hope every seller of an 80% is destroying records, that is if they kept them.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:41:58 PM EDT
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I hope every seller of an 80% is destroying records, that is if they kept them. I believe they are required to keep sales records. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:52:28 PM EDT
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dupe dupe dupe
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:52:56 PM EDT
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They ban screwing an oil filter or plastic coke bottle onto your gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If they really want to make it effective, they're going to have to ban not only milling machines and access to raw material, but also knowledge and basic tools. I wouldn't put it past them to try. They ban screwing an oil filter or plastic coke bottle onto your gun. Exactly, they will just ban having a non-serialized gun that is not somehow registered as "historic" or something else and requiring a background check for the registration. It's not difficult to do. The question is why, what will it accomplish? It is already illegal for felons, etc to own guns, with or without serial numbers. I believe the answer is that they expect registration of some sort and are covering their bases now. Too much tin foil? Maybe |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:29:21 PM EDT
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I hope every seller of an 80% is destroying records, that is if they kept them. I believe they are required to keep sales records. By the ATF or IRS? |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:33:08 PM EDT
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80% lowers piss them off they don't have 4473s to make a list off of |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:39:49 PM EDT
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All guns are unregistered in free states.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:41:40 PM EDT
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I hope every seller of an 80% is destroying records, that is if they kept them. I believe they are required to keep sales records. By the ATF or IRS? From a very practical standpoint it does not matter since it is all the government . The thing is if it is required by the IRS for tax purposes , the ATF can have access to those records with a court order. Its all one in the same . The fact of the matter is they are going to know who was sold what and how many . |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:53:13 PM EDT
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This is the same cunt that tried her level best that face-to-face buyers were all criminals.
Her and her husband tried to buy as many guns as they could in as short a period of time as possible. Why Ares agreed to an interview with this cunt is beyond me. |
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