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Posted: 4/23/2014 7:55:24 AM EDT
My cousin said he just had to watch this training video. What are GDs thoughts?
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:00:01 AM EDT
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I had to watch that same exact video at school. My instructor (who is a practicing PT as well, so not your typical libtard product of acadamia who has never been in the real world) was very open about her dislike of gun free zones, and that she would carry if she could. We sat around talking for about an hour just what to do if something like that ever happened. The one part of the video that made me
 (assuming it is the same video, which as I said, I am pretty sure it is) there is a part where they get outside, but kind of hover around the building for no apparent reason. The point is to get away, and if you are in that situation, a high majority of the time it is just a solo gunman. But fear freezes people and turns them into sitting ducks.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:05:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:05:47 AM EDT
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You mean I'm not supposed to just shelter in place and wait for the shooter to find and then actively shoot me. I never thought the media would lie to me like that.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:05:52 AM EDT
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I was trained to seek out the threat and eliminate it.
Pussification of Americans now is Run away, Hide, or if you absolutly have to fight. Odds are if your not prepared for the fight in the first place, your dead. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:08:22 AM EDT
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This one is better: http://www.spike.com/episodes/3w9eyj/surviving-disaster-mall-shooting-season-1-ep-107 
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:08:53 AM EDT
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my plan is to take a bullet to an extremity, then sue the business for not allowing me to carry.. I should be set for the rest of my life.. Luckly Ill take one in the left leg, its pretty screwed up already.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:10:27 AM EDT
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Good advice.
Or, you could blade at 45 degrees and shoot back. 
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:12:05 AM EDT
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Fun things to notice in the video.
1. Bad Guy violates the concealed weapons door sign for Texas. AKA the 30.06 sign. You can see it when he goes in the building. So, that sign was clearly effective in . . . . disarming the people who worked in the building turning it into a target rich environment. Didn't stop the BG. 2. Note the length of the video. Making a statement some how? 112 |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:13:28 AM EDT
[#9]
Yep, had to watch that for my work as well. Sad times we live in.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:15:49 AM EDT
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I just watched a couple training videos like this, taught the same thing. My thoughts are: me and my partner are unarmed at our company's front desk. If someone comes in with a gun we're probably getting shot dead first. Hopefully everyone else figures out what to do. I do know people have guns in there cars for what that's worth.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:19:27 AM EDT
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My girls are both taught to exit the window or classroom door the instant they hear gunfire. Ignore the teacher, ignore the class, get out the door and move the opposite of the gun fire
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:19:38 AM EDT
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Am I the only one who was hoping that the kitchen lounge (near the end of the video - fight) of people preparing to fight were all packing?
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:19:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was trained to seek out the threat and eliminate it. Pussification of Americans now is Run away, Hide, or if you absolutly have to fight. Odds are if your not prepared for the fight in the first place, your dead. So you are going to seek out an active shooter and risk your life for your employer. If you are LEO or military that comes with the job. For the average cubicle dwelling citizen that does not. If I hear SHTF at work I'm out of the building. If I can't exit I will find a way to conceal myself. If the threat still presents itself in front of me I will engage it. That isn't pussification of Americans, that is smartly handling a dangerous situation where you are outgunned. When we watched the video the people in charge informed everyone that carrying a concealed weapon was allowed in the state buildings. The legislature cleaned up some ambiguity in the language of our law and carrying on most state property is allowed even if the building has metal detectors at the entrance. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:22:30 AM EDT
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"Run" means run away, not exit the building and walk 20 feet to the side.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:24:10 AM EDT
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my plan is to take a bullet to an extremity, then sue the business for not allowing me to carry.. I should be set for the rest of my life.. Luckly Ill take one in the left leg, its pretty screwed up already. Nice. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:26:00 AM EDT
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This is an outstanding plan for the 99% of people who do not carry a firearm and not a bad plan for the 1% who do.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:30:17 AM EDT
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be a lot less drama if someone had put bullet in that fuckers ear early on.....
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:31:00 AM EDT
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Flee, flee for your lives.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:35:45 AM EDT
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be a lot less drama if someone had put bullet in that fuckers ear early on..... But it's a gun free zone. So guns aren't allowed. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:38:53 AM EDT
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I had to sit through a lecture about active shooters on monday and they showed that video at the end. Was given by 2 former fbi agents.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:41:50 AM EDT
[#21]
Correct answer is run. I carry to protect myself, not be a hero.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:43:07 AM EDT
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I have a way to prevent being a victim of the situation depicted in that video. Skip to 59 seconds in. Notice that 30.06 sign? That's the Texas version of a "gunbusters" a/k/a legal notice that CCW/CHL is not welcomed.
Step 1, see sign Step 2, do not work there; if you are a potential patron/customer do not give them your business Step 3, work and frequent places that allow you to protect yourself Step 4, Keep calm, carry on. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:43:26 AM EDT
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I had to sit through a lecture about active shooters on monday and they showed that video at the end. Was given by 2 former fbi agents. in before the youtube video of fed shooting himself in class..... |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:48:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: in before the youtube video of fed shooting himself in class..... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I had to sit through a lecture about active shooters on monday and they showed that video at the end. Was given by 2 former fbi agents. in before the youtube video of fed shooting himself in class..... Dumbass. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:50:05 AM EDT
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Watched it for work as well. At least I'm not the only one who thought is was silly to escape the building....just to hang out near it.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:53:27 AM EDT
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The standing around after exiting is stupid..... but true....
We were in DC a few weeks ago and someone left a 'bag unattended' on the second floor of Air and Space. Fire alarms were set off by security, the building was evacuated, police blocked the road etc. etc. Once we got outside, we LEFT THE AREA, all the way back to alexandria. The rest of the museum attendees milled around, right outside the door. School groups were huddled together and massed around the stairs of the entrance. Had it been an active shooter, the outside of the museum looked like ducks on a pond. Had it been a bomb, and damaged the building to point of collapse, the people standing around right next to the building would have been injured or possibly worse. I really don't understand the mental state of people who think that moving 15-20 feet away from what they've been evacuated from now puts them out of harms way completely. People are dumb. I DO know that
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:54:58 AM EDT
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Correct answer is run. I carry to protect myself, not be a hero. I've often said, "Get out, get away" is a plan that is adaptable to almost any emergency. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 9:04:14 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fun things to notice in the video. 1. Bad Guy violates the concealed weapons door sign for Texas. AKA the 30.06 sign. You can see it when he goes in the building. So, that sign was clearly effective in . . . . disarming the people who worked in the building turning it into a target rich environment. Didn't stop the BG. 2. Note the length of the video. Making a statement some how? 112 30.06 only applies to handguns, and only to CHL holders. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 9:04:43 AM EDT
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be a lot less drama if someone had put bullet in that fuckers ear early on..... Guns are icky and violence is never an answer... 
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Posted: 4/23/2014 9:06:00 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was trained to seek out the threat and eliminate it. Pussification of Americans now is Run away, Hide, or if you absolutly have to fight. Odds are if your not prepared for the fight in the first place, your dead. And somehow I get the feeling you'd still be the guy arresting people for carrying without a CHL, or past a 30.06 sign, or in a college. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 9:12:54 AM EDT
[#31]
I have a Biden app on my phone that fires "two blasts". Threat dealt with.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 9:14:49 AM EDT
[#32]
We did this two years ago.
That kind of bullshit policy willl get you killed. May I suggest if your employer has such a policy, that you come up with your own plan for defending yourself in the event your workplace gets victimized by an active shooter. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 9:25:42 AM EDT
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Let me guess. Dude with backpack enters building, calmly takes shotgun out of backpack and kills the armed guard first? Then all the sheep scatter? The AF made us watch this vid a few years ago. I couldn't take it seriously. I kept thinking just one armed guy would end that fuckers day fast. Just like the Oregon mall mass shooter fail last year.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 9:26:22 AM EDT
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We did this two years ago. That kind of bullshit policy willl get you killed. May I suggest if your employer has such a policy, that you come up with your own plan for defending yourself in the event your workplace gets victimized by an active shooter. If you cant carry a gun how about a katana.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 9:30:40 AM EDT
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I work at home, no need to run away, screaming like a pansy.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 9:49:59 AM EDT
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I was trained to seek out the threat and eliminate it.
Pussification of Americans now is Run away, Hide, or if you absolutly have to fight. Odds are if your not prepared for the fight in the first place, your dead. Thanks sheep-dog. I'll get away from the scene ASAP. I'll keep my life/finances/job and family intact. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 10:46:58 AM EDT
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This one is better: http://www.spike.com/episodes/3w9eyj/surviving-disaster-mall-shooting-season-1-ep-107 Not bad for the general population. Highly unlikely the terrorists had time to chain every door in a large mall. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 11:07:54 AM EDT
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WTF is an "active" shooter? If they aren't "active" then who gives a fuck about them? Why do liberals feel the need for unnecessary, redundant, and unnecessary adjectives?
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Posted: 4/23/2014 11:09:44 AM EDT
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WTF is an "active" shooter? If they aren't "active" then who gives a fuck about them? Why do liberals feel the need for unnecessary, redundant, and unnecessary adjectives? Well, there may be a few "lethargic shooters", but they're pretty easy to get away from. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 11:10:36 AM EDT
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WTF is an "active" shooter? If they aren't "active" then who gives a fuck about them? Why do liberals feel the need for unnecessary, redundant, and unnecessary adjectives? I think roaming around shooting people qualifies as "active". |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 11:18:10 AM EDT
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My hospital's big thing now is Active Shooter drills. Some hoo-aah guy plays the 'shooter', and role-plays through a department.
The good thing: it encourages discussion among co-workers. The better thing? When he did my department, I waited until he broke the plane of my desk and laid him the f*ck out. Terry Tate would've been proud. I claimed that I didn't hear the 'drill' announcement because I was listening to Joe Rogan with headphones. My boss woke himself up laughing that night thinking about what he saw... |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 11:20:13 AM EDT
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My cousin said he just had to watch this training video. What are GDs thoughts?  http://youtu.be/5VcSwejU2D0 |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 11:29:54 AM EDT
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my plan is to take a bullet to an extremity, then sue the business for not allowing me to carry.. I should be set for the rest of my life.. Luckly Ill take one in the left leg, its pretty screwed up already. Unless you're working at a military base or .gov building fuck their no carry bullshit rules. Concealed means concealed and I'm not risking my life because fucking Bob in accounting wigged the fuck out and starts fucking shooting his co-workers. YMMV. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 9:11:44 PM EDT
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Am I the only one who thinks the fight portion is ridiculous?
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Posted: 4/23/2014 9:12:56 PM EDT
[#45]
Find one of those large blue recycling containers and jump in it. Safe.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 9:29:43 PM EDT
[#46]
i thought you were supposed to pee yourself?
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Posted: 4/23/2014 9:50:01 PM EDT
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And somehow I get the feeling you'd still be the guy arresting people for carrying without a CHL, or past a 30.06 sign, or in a college.
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I was trained to seek out the threat and eliminate it.
Pussification of Americans now is Run away, Hide, or if you absolutly have to fight. Odds are if your not prepared for the fight in the first place, your dead. And somehow I get the feeling you'd still be the guy arresting people for carrying without a CHL, or past a 30.06 sign, or in a college.
You must not know me at all! I'm probably one of the most Pro-2A cops around. In fact I have overlooked a gun guy open carrying a pistol in plain view at a restaurant. He saw me, I saw him, we both knew it and no one went to jail. It was the little derringer in the belt buckle type. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 9:42:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You must not know me at all! I'm probably one of the most Pro-2A cops around. In fact I have overlooked a gun guy open carrying a pistol in plain view at a restaurant. He saw me, I saw him, we both knew it and no one went to jail. It was the little derringer in the belt buckle type. My apologies then. I must have mixed you up with someone else. Sorry about that.  |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 10:50:12 AM EDT
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Had to watch that at work a few weeks ago.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 11:01:22 AM EDT
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Am I the only one who thinks the fight portion is ridiculous? Well it can be, but then you may be in a situation where that is the only option. Say you barricade yourself into a room that the BG makes his way into, or you are with a group of people trying to run, turn around a corner, and there he is. You have to remember something, most of the time this happens, it is just ONE person. One guy. And I know the way that guns are portrayed in the media nowadays, him having one makes a lot of people look at him as this invincible force that can't be stopped because he has a GUN. But what is a gun? It is a tool that shoots a small projectile at a high speed. It can't shoot in multiple directions at the same time either. If you and a group of people are in that situation, and you all rush him at once and try to get him to the ground, you might have a chance. it is not about being a hero, it is about playing the odds. Because if you come face to face with him, and you do nothing, YOU ARE GOING TO DIE, RIGHT THERE, RIGHT THEN. I know it is easy to have a plan when we are sitting in comfy chairs on the internet, vs. being in a situation where you can smell your own death, I get that, and like I said it is not about being a hero or a tough guy or any of that...but if 4 or 5 people rush a lone shooter at the same time, he might hit one of them, maybe even two, but if the rest of the people can get him on the ground, it's over for him. Obviously, however, the problem lies in communication. If one person rushes, but the other people he is with freeze, they just signed his death sentence, and after they watch him die they are going to die themselves. So in a nutshell, is fighting the best option? Fuck no. Getting out and as far away as possible is the best plan. But when chaos starts, plans go to shit, and you have to work with the hand you are dealt. And, like I said, you may be in the situation where you only have two options...to die sitting on your hands, or to die trying to survive. At least if you die trying to survive, you have a chance, as small as it may be. |
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